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kahlua716
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Interesting article re: Drunk Driving- What's your opinion?
Drunk Woman Hands over Keys and Still Faces 30 Years in Prison
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DumpsterBaby
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Re: Interesting article re: Drunk Driving- What's your opinion?
I agree that she is accountable. They were out boozing TOGETHER, therefore, she knew he was consuming alcohol as well. If she knew she couldn't drive, she had to have known he couldn't drive either.
What a tragedy for the victims families.
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| Posted 2/22/12 12:48 PM |
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BriBri2u
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Re: Interesting article re: Drunk Driving- What's your opinion?
This is why when you go out if you are going to drink you need to cab it or be with some one who isn't planning on drinking at all.
Otherwise, there are no safe alternatives in these situations.
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| Posted 2/22/12 12:49 PM |
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BeachGrl
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Re: Interesting article re: Drunk Driving- What's your opinion?
If it were my loved ones that were killed I would want them both to serve the maximum time.
Spend the 10 or 20 bucks on a cab...it's so not worth anyone's life
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| Posted 2/22/12 12:55 PM |
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SusiBee
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Re: Interesting article re: Drunk Driving- What's your opinion?
If she was aware enough to hand over her keys, she should have been aware enough to realize that her BF was drunk too.
It's a harsh future for this girl, but at least she has one, not like the two young guys that had their future senslessly taken away.
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| Posted 2/22/12 1:42 PM |
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emilylives
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Re: Interesting article re: Drunk Driving- What's your opinion?
I don't think she should be charged. Was she dumb? Yes. Should it be considered a crime? In my opinion, no. As far as I can tell, based on information presented in this article, he could have been the designated driver, and then decided to drink anyway. It's not her responsibility to watch him and make sure he isn't drinking. If my DH says he is okay to drive, I believe him. If he isn't, I think that's on him, not me.
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| Posted 2/22/12 1:49 PM |
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headoverheels
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Re: Interesting article re: Drunk Driving- What's your opinion?
I think the law should not apply to her because she was too intoxicated to use her judgment.
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| Posted 2/22/12 1:52 PM |
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Chai77
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Re: Interesting article re: Drunk Driving- What's your opinion?
I think she should be held accountable due to her really bad judgement, but I think the actual drunk driver is more responsible for the tragedy than she is. He was actually behind the wheel and could have just as easily not driven either. That is a really awful situation. 
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| Posted 2/22/12 1:53 PM |
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cds58019
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Re: Interesting article re: Drunk Driving- What's your opinion?
Posted by headoverheels
I think the law should not apply to her because she was too intoxicated to use her judgment.
This. The way I see it, everyone is responsible for their own decisions. She knew she was too drunk so she handed over her keys. Now it was his turn to say "Well Im too drunk also." But instead he chose to drive. I don't think it should be her responsibility to keep track of how many he had. Not to mention everyone is different when it comes to how alcohol affects them and how much it takes to get buzzed/drunk. She shouldn't be taking the blame b/c of his choice.
Very sad for the victims but I don't see how she's responsible.
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| Posted 2/22/12 2:15 PM |
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Xelindrya
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Re: Interesting article re: Drunk Driving- What's your opinion?
Yes, she should pay the price
I hope this will serve as a lesson to others, dont just hand your keys over to ANYONE. Get home safely doesn't mean just as long as you aren't driving.
I agree with PP who said she was aware enough to hand the keys over its just a shame she didn't care enough that he was drunk too.
I know a guy told me he was 'fine' when I was tipsy and my answer was 'I dont care'. Take personal responsibility.
A cab ride would have saved those two men's lives.
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| Posted 2/22/12 2:24 PM |
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nrthshgrl
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Re: Interesting article re: Drunk Driving- What's your opinion?
The problem with drunk driving is that your judgment is impaired. But I agree it cannot be used as an excuse.
Giving your keys for some other drunk to drive makes you equally liable in my book.
I know someone who got a DWI when she was the more sober person to drive. She blew a .28!
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| Posted 2/22/12 4:47 PM |
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jilliibabii
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Re: Interesting article re: Drunk Driving- What's your opinion?
Posted by headoverheels
I think the law should not apply to her because she was too intoxicated to use her judgment.
This is what I was going to say. Someone who is intoxicated is not held to the same standard as a sober person in other aspects- like signing a contract- so I don't think it should apply here.
ETA: Everyone is saying that she had to have known how many he had, but why? I don't cling to my DH's side at a party or bar and sometimes I think he's more or less sober than he is. Maybe he was off doing his own thing and she was too far gone to realize. She's not responsible for his actions.
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| Posted 2/22/12 5:08 PM |
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headoverheels
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Re: Interesting article re: Drunk Driving- What's your opinion?
Posted by cds58019
Posted by headoverheels
I think the law should not apply to her because she was too intoxicated to use her judgment.
This. The way I see it, everyone is responsible for their own decisions. She knew she was too drunk so she handed over her keys. Now it was his turn to say "Well Im too drunk also." But instead he chose to drive. I don't think it should be her responsibility to keep track of how many he had. Not to mention everyone is different when it comes to how alcohol affects them and how much it takes to get buzzed/drunk. She shouldn't be taking the blame b/c of his choice.
Very sad for the victims but I don't see how she's responsible.
Exactly. What a sad situation. I bet she was just trying to do the right thing 
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| Posted 2/22/12 5:09 PM |
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nrthshgrl
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Re: Interesting article re: Drunk Driving- What's your opinion?
Just wanted to clarify, she shouldn't have to count his drinks but she should make sure the person she is handing her keys with hasn't been drinking. Otherwise, don't hand him the keys.
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| Posted 2/22/12 5:19 PM |
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shiv
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Re: Interesting article re: Drunk Driving- What's your opinion?
No, its not her fault. He choose to get behind the wheel, she did not force him. If he said he could drive then how is she supposed to know differently, unless he is beligerently drunk which does not sound like the case here.
He could have had only a few drinks and something distracted him when he hit the other men.
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| Posted 2/22/12 5:20 PM |
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DopeysMama
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Re: Interesting article re: Drunk Driving- What's your opinion?
Im able to se both sides of this and dont personally have an opinion. But I know, from personal experience that, when Im wasted, I cant really tell who's drunk and who's not.
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| Posted 2/22/12 8:39 PM |
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headoverheels
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Re: Interesting article re: Drunk Driving- What's your opinion?
Posted by DopeysMama
Im able to se both sides of this and dont personally have an opinion. But I know, from personal experience that, when Im wasted, I cant really tell who's drunk and who's not.
Honestly, even if I'm sober I can't tell sometimes. DH has a friend who drinks a LOT. Not quite a functioning alcoholic but if I didn't see him put back 8 beers in one 2-hour sitting I'd never know. He doesn't behave any different than when he's sober.
It totally disagree with that law, IMO it is no one else's job to know that you're drunk than YOU.
And in this case, I think that applies even more, one of the definitive symptoms of intoxication is impaired judgment.
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| Posted 2/22/12 8:49 PM |
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nrthshgrl
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Re: Interesting article re: Drunk Driving- What's your opinion?
Posted by headoverheels
It totally disagree with that law, IMO it is no one else's job to know that you're drunk than YOU.
Even if you're handing them the keys to a car?
This may not be a perfect anaology but let's say two people are drinking at a pool party. The drunker of the two says "can you watch the kids in the pool? I've had too much to drink." The other drunk says "sure."
The kids drown.
Who is at fault? No one because their judgement was impaired?
Don't hand your keys to someone if you're in no condition to determine if they're drunk.
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| Posted 2/22/12 9:51 PM |
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seaside
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Re: Interesting article re: Drunk Driving- What's your opinion?
Posted by nrthshgrl
Posted by headoverheels
It totally disagree with that law, IMO it is no one else's job to know that you're drunk than YOU.
Even if you're handing them the keys to a car?
This may not be a perfect anaology but let's say two people are drinking at a pool party. The drunker of the two says "can you watch the kids in the pool? I've had too much to drink." The other drunk says "sure."
The kids drown.
Who is at fault? No one because their judgement was impaired?
Don't hand your keys to someone if you're in no condition to determine if they're drunk.
THIS. People who go out and knowingly get drunk with the idea that they won't be held to standards of adult judgment ought to realize that their actions still have consequences. She is responsible for who she choose to provide her keys to. Those poor boys and their families. I hope she serves the time and I hope that this makes others think twice before they feel too drunk to be within the reach of the law.
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| Posted 2/22/12 11:14 PM |
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Re: Interesting article re: Drunk Driving- What's your opinion?
How drunk was she and the BF?
If he was "a little drunk" and appeared okay to the GF then I don't think she should be charged.
I like the example of the mugger - that's why I'm having trouble holding the GF accountable fully, the same as the BF.
She did realize that she coulldn't drive, that doens't mean she could realize someone else couldn't drive either.
Yes, they could have called a cab.
Its a very interesting case. I'd like to follow it and see how it turns out.
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| Posted 2/23/12 9:12 AM |
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headoverheels
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Re: Interesting article re: Drunk Driving- What's your opinion?
Posted by nrthshgrl
Posted by headoverheels
It totally disagree with that law, IMO it is no one else's job to know that you're drunk than YOU.
Even if you're handing them the keys to a car?
This may not be a perfect anaology but let's say two people are drinking at a pool party. The drunker of the two says "can you watch the kids in the pool? I've had too much to drink." The other drunk says "sure."
The kids drown.
Who is at fault? No one because their judgement was impaired?
Don't hand your keys to someone if you're in no condition to determine if they're drunk.
Sorry Barb but I think that's a terrible analogy - if you are around a pool it's your responsibility to not get drunk at all unless you have decided with your spouse or someone else beforehand who will watch the kids.
This is just so different, IMO.
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| Posted 2/23/12 9:16 AM |
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jilliibabii
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Re: Interesting article re: Drunk Driving- What's your opinion?
Posted by headoverheels
Posted by nrthshgrl
Posted by headoverheels
It totally disagree with that law, IMO it is no one else's job to know that you're drunk than YOU.
Even if you're handing them the keys to a car?
This may not be a perfect anaology but let's say two people are drinking at a pool party. The drunker of the two says "can you watch the kids in the pool? I've had too much to drink." The other drunk says "sure."
The kids drown.
Who is at fault? No one because their judgement was impaired?
Don't hand your keys to someone if you're in no condition to determine if they're drunk.
Sorry Barb but I think that's a terrible analogy - if you are around a pool it's your responsibility to not get drunk at all unless you have decided with your spouse or someone else beforehand who will watch the kids.
This is just so different, IMO.
I agree. I see where you're coming from, but it's apples and oranges. Getting drunk while supervising kids playing in a pool is just plain negligent IF it's your responsibility to keep an eye on them. I don't mean at a family BBQ where most people are having a few drinks, I mean if you are babysitting kids playing in a pool.
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nrthshgrl
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Re: Interesting article re: Drunk Driving- What's your opinion?
Posted by headoverheels
Posted by nrthshgrl
Posted by headoverheels
It totally disagree with that law, IMO it is no one else's job to know that you're drunk than YOU.
Even if you're handing them the keys to a car?
This may not be a perfect anaology but let's say two people are drinking at a pool party. The drunker of the two says "can you watch the kids in the pool? I've had too much to drink." The other drunk says "sure."
The kids drown.
Who is at fault? No one because their judgement was impaired?
Don't hand your keys to someone if you're in no condition to determine if they're drunk.
Sorry Barb but I think that's a terrible analogy - if you are around a pool it's your responsibility to not get drunk at all unless you have decided with your spouse or someone else beforehand who will watch the kids.
This is just so different, IMO.
But if you have a car, don't you also have the responsibility to make sure you aren't drunk to dirve? Or that you are handing the keys to someone who isn't drinking or arranging for a sober ride beforehand too?
Posted by FreeButterfly
I like the example of the mugger - that's why I'm having trouble holding the GF accountable fully, the same as the BF. .
What is the example of the mugger? Did I miss this post?
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| Posted 2/23/12 9:27 AM |
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seaside
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Re: Interesting article re: Drunk Driving- What's your opinion?
Barb is right. We all tend to think that somehow getting behind the wheel of a car is different from having small children who need us to watch them at our mercy. Every other driver, passenger, and pedestrian on the road is at our mercy, whether we're deciding to drive or deciding whom to let drive.
When a couple goes out with two people and one car, it's on them to make sure that whoever drives that car home is not going to be at all impaired. Everyone else is at their mercy.
Until society starts to see this and punish drunk driving as it should, we are tolerating intolerable, reckless behavior that ought to be seen for what it is.
ETA: I am sick of people deliberately getting themselves drunk past the point of being able to function and then trying to flaunt it as a means of escaping responsibility for things.People who can't function as adults in society should get help.
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| Posted 2/23/12 9:37 AM |
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bookworm
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Re: Interesting article re: Drunk Driving- What's your opinion?
It's not like she's a bad person, so it is hard to just shrug my shoulders when I think of the 30 year sentence.
But on the other hand, her drunken actions killed two unsuspecting innocent people, and it reminds me that stupid drunk people are out there putting us all in danger. Scary.
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