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InShock
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Re: Interesting article re: Drunk Driving- What's your opinion?
How do we know she didn't pass him the keys, FULLY aware of how drunk he was, because she/they figured he was a "better" at driving while drunk?
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Re: Interesting article re: Drunk Driving- What's your opinion?
I don't think most people affiliated with this kind of behavior are bad people; they are just acting selfishly and ignorantly---driving "buzzed," doing what's cheapest or convenient in the moment, or entrusting their keys to whomever.
People who may be horrified by the passing of the buck and looking the other way in the Penn State scandal that permitted child abusel to go on are not at all perturbed by people looking the other way or empathizing with someone who's "on the line" of being drunk or being able to see that someone else shouldn't drive--when that behavior maims KILLS children--and their parents--and all of us.
Cars are deadly weapons. Alcohol is neiither a necessity nor an entitlement. Our culture has to change. I don't think it's a normal, adult thing to have a constant need to go out & deliberately get obliterated to the point that you can't handle yourself as an adult. Looking at our culture, not as many people agree with me as I'd like.
Pregnant women always complain that they are outed when they don't drink. Why is there an expecatation that we will all drink when we're out--all the time?
And drunk driving accidents, near-misses, and deaths aren't going away. People's selfishness and willingness to look the other way and comiserate with the wrongdoers and the head turners and head buriers will continue to harm more people than does some of the behavior that infuriates us. I don't get it.
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Ian&EmmesMommy23
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Re: Interesting article re: Drunk Driving- What's your opinion?
i dont think she should be charged. i know if i'm drink, i think everyone around me is sober. its my perception. so she knowingly knew she was drunk and handed over the keys...her boyfriend should have realized he was too drunk and not taken them.
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| Posted 2/23/12 10:35 AM |
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Christine
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Re: Interesting article re: Drunk Driving- What's your opinion?
I think she has some repsonsibilty in this matter but maybe not 30 years in prison responsible. If she knew he was drinking anything at all there was a risk of impairment on his part, she should not have given him the keys. This is kind of like those hostess laws about overserving people and then letting them drive (or looking the other way).
People get killed every single day because of drunk driving and the laws in place are not working. People need to be scared to drive drunk and not the other way around...scared to be on the road with drunk drivers.
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jilliibabii
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Re: Interesting article re: Drunk Driving- What's your opinion?
Posted by InShock
How do we know she didn't pass him the keys, FULLY aware of how drunk he was, because she/they figured he was a "better" at driving while drunk?
We don't, though it's possible. But all we DO have is the he said/she said stories of two drunk people. Also, we go by "innocent until proven guilty" and there's no way you can PROVE she handed him those keys knowing full well how drunk he is.
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nrthshgrl
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Re: Interesting article re: Drunk Driving- What's your opinion?
Posted by jilliibabii
Posted by InShock
How do we know she didn't pass him the keys, FULLY aware of how drunk he was, because she/they figured he was a "better" at driving while drunk?
We don't, though it's possible. But all we DO have is the he said/she said stories of two drunk people. Also, we go by "innocent until proven guilty" and there's no way you can PROVE she handed him those keys knowing full well how drunk he is.
I think as the owner of the car, there is some responsibility here - unless the car was stolen.
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| Posted 2/23/12 1:36 PM |
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seaside
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Re: Interesting article re: Drunk Driving- What's your opinion?
Posted by jilliibabii
Posted by InShock
How do we know she didn't pass him the keys, FULLY aware of how drunk he was, because she/they figured he was a "better" at driving while drunk?
We don't, though it's possible. But all we DO have is the he said/she said stories of two drunk people. Also, we go by "innocent until proven guilty" and there's no way you can PROVE she handed him those keys knowing full well how drunk he is.
Yes, but the question is not just whether she knew, but whether she should have known. Willful blindness, stupidity, or, even worse, drinking yourself into oblivion should not excuse putting a deadly weapon in the hands of one not fit to operate it and setting him free on the road--while you watch from the passenger seat.
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KwaaksNest
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Re: Interesting article re: Drunk Driving- What's your opinion?
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I think the law should not apply to her because she was too intoxicated to use her judgment.
ITA with this...he could of said no i have been drinking myself but he decided he was well enough to drive, and also if she was durnk what judgement making skills would she have to determine if he was ok to drive or not
In this case they were both adults, and he has an adult said he was ok to drive and obviously wasn;t
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nrthshgrl
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Re: Interesting article re: Drunk Driving- What's your opinion?
Posted by KwaaksNest
Posted by headoverheels
I think the law should not apply to her because she was too intoxicated to use her judgment.
ITA with this...he could of said no i have been drinking myself but he decided he was well enough to drive, and also if she was durnk what judgement making skills would she have to determine if he was ok to drive or not
In this case they were both adults, and he has an adult said he was ok to drive and obviously wasn;t
But if that's the case, wouldn't the fact that he was too intoxicated to use his judgment also apply?
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headoverheels
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Re: Interesting article re: Drunk Driving- What's your opinion?
Posted by nrthshgrl
Posted by KwaaksNest
Posted by headoverheels
I think the law should not apply to her because she was too intoxicated to use her judgment.
ITA with this...he could of said no i have been drinking myself but he decided he was well enough to drive, and also if she was durnk what judgement making skills would she have to determine if he was ok to drive or not
In this case they were both adults, and he has an adult said he was ok to drive and obviously wasn;t
But if that's the case, wouldn't the fact that he was too intoxicated to use his judgment also apply?
That's a good point but I still stand by what i said. To me, there is a difference between knowing the law and right vs wrong, even while drunk, and having the capacity to judge whether someone else is sober or intoxicated. The tools for one decision are not the same as the tools for the other.
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| Posted 2/23/12 5:37 PM |
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Re: Interesting article re: Drunk Driving- What's your opinion?
When you knowingly put yourself in that condition of drunkenness, you are and should be responsible for all that you do and all that you omit to do or become incapable of doing by virtue of your own choice.
Otherwise, we are just ignoring the initial decision to bring a car somewhere, get yourself in that state and then disclaim responsibility for what you do/fail to do/entrust to someone/arm someone with. That makes no sense.
Also, why are we all applauding her choice not to drive like she did something so noble? That is EXPECTED.
Again, we were all outraged when the Penn State folks did the minimum, based on what they were told and didn't investigate/intervene further, and children were severely harmed.
Here, two young men were KILLED because someone chose to compromise her own judgment and then arm someone who was drunk with a deadly weapon. She turned her head and said I did the best I could--and we OK it?
I say we hold her accountable for all of her choices and failings--including her initial choice to go out and get herself drunk and judgment-impaired. The real question is why all drunk drivers aren't locked up for 30 years or more. I don't care what anyone says--that would put a stop to a lot of the problem.
We are being selective when we choose to have our sympathies reside with certain victims as opposed to others and direct our wrath at certain head in the sand/I did the best I could perpetrators, but not others--and it's wrong.
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