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Legitimate Question for Trump supporters
I used to like John Edwards. I thought he was a great man. I learned a bit more about him and I acknowledged--OK, I still like a lot of his ideas, but he is not such a great man.
Why are so many people having so much trouble acknowledging that something is wrong here?
Even if you support the alt-right picks... the tweeting, the refusal to attend briefings, the attacks on journalists, actors, and the First Amendment? The ways in which he does (and doesn't) spend his time?
No one wants to bash you. For real.
But can you...will you... acknowledge that something is amiss here? Even if you see redemption in his future--even if you want to give him more chances--would you acknowledge that this is not business as usual for this country--under the auspices of either party? That this is getting frightening?
It's like the Emperor's new clothes. For real.
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Re: Legitimate Question for Trump supporters
Posted by seaside
I used to like John Edwards. I thought he was a great man. I learned a bit more about him and I acknowledged--OK, I still like a lot of his ideas, but he is not such a great man.
Why are so many people having so much trouble acknowledging that something is wrong here?
Even if you support the alt-right picks... the tweeting, the refusal to attend briefings, the attacks on journalists, actors, and the First Amendment? The ways in which he does (and doesn't) spend his time?
No one wants to bash you. For real.
But can you...will you... acknowledge that something is amiss here? Even if you see redemption in his future--even if you want to give him more chances--would you acknowledge that this is not business as usual for this country--under the auspices of either party? That this is getting frightening?
It's like the Emperor's new clothes. For real.
Why even ask something like this?!
If I were a trump supporter (I'm not)...I wouldn't answer this. Time and again - especially on boards like LIF - right leaning people have been made to feel stupid, like they are racist, homophobic and mysogynistic.
This feels like baiting. You're not going to change someone's mind nor are you going to get an answer that satisfies your needs.
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| Posted 11/29/16 11:48 AM |
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Re: Legitimate Question for Trump supporters
Posted by justbeachy
Posted by seaside
I used to like John Edwards. I thought he was a great man. I learned a bit more about him and I acknowledged--OK, I still like a lot of his ideas, but he is not such a great man.
Why are so many people having so much trouble acknowledging that something is wrong here?
Even if you support the alt-right picks... the tweeting, the refusal to attend briefings, the attacks on journalists, actors, and the First Amendment? The ways in which he does (and doesn't) spend his time?
No one wants to bash you. For real.
But can you...will you... acknowledge that something is amiss here? Even if you see redemption in his future--even if you want to give him more chances--would you acknowledge that this is not business as usual for this country--under the auspices of either party? That this is getting frightening?
It's like the Emperor's new clothes. For real.
Why even ask something like this?!
If I were a trump supporter (I'm not)...I wouldn't answer this. Time and again - especially on boards like LIF - right leaning people have been made to feel stupid, like they are racist, homophobic and mysogynistic.
This feels like baiting. You're not going to change someone's mind nor are you going to get an answer that satisfies your needs.
I actually give the OP credit for trying to open a dialogue, I'd love to have a discussion where no one was accusatory about a lot of these things, but everyone gets their backs up so easily
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| Posted 11/29/16 11:53 AM |
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seaside
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Re: Legitimate Question for Trump supporters
Posted by justbeachy
Posted by seaside
I used to like John Edwards. I thought he was a great man. I learned a bit more about him and I acknowledged--OK, I still like a lot of his ideas, but he is not such a great man.
Why are so many people having so much trouble acknowledging that something is wrong here?
Even if you support the alt-right picks... the tweeting, the refusal to attend briefings, the attacks on journalists, actors, and the First Amendment? The ways in which he does (and doesn't) spend his time?
No one wants to bash you. For real.
But can you...will you... acknowledge that something is amiss here? Even if you see redemption in his future--even if you want to give him more chances--would you acknowledge that this is not business as usual for this country--under the auspices of either party? That this is getting frightening?
It's like the Emperor's new clothes. For real.
Why even ask something like this?!
If I were a trump supporter (I'm not)...I wouldn't answer this. Time and again - especially on boards like LIF - right leaning people have been made to feel stupid, like they are racist, homophobic and mysogynistic.
This feels like baiting. You're not going to change someone's mind nor are you going to get an answer that satisfies your needs.
If you read, you'd see that this is not about views or biases. It's about his erratic behavior. And it was respectful.
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Re: Legitimate Question for Trump supporters
I'm not a "Trump Supporter" although I am sure many think I am because of the way I post which is leaning right instead of completely tipped over to the left!
My take is that the tweets are really unprofessional and childish. Does that scare me? A little because it shows lack of good judgement.
However, I believe the media is picking up tidbits of very long histories of many of his picks and twisting it into something other than the truth (see the last post with the Huffington post article about Jeff Sessions). I think what scares me the most is the willingness of people to believe every.single.thing. the media says without bothering to do any research what so ever. It shows how easily manipulated the American people can be. Sad.
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JennP
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Re: Legitimate Question for Trump supporters
Posted by lululu
I think what scares me the most is the willingness of people to believe every.single.thing. the media says without bothering to do any research what so ever. It shows how easily manipulated the American people can be. Sad.
Most of the people who posted in that thread who are disgusted about Sessions' speech are people who are constantly posting links from non partisan sites that back up what they are saying.
Frankly, I see a lot more "manipulation" on the other side - people who really believe technology jobs from the 80s are coming back, people who are ignorant of state laws that limit access to abortions and are therefore blind to the need for federal protections, people who really believe corporations will do the right thing and create jobs when their taxes are cut, etc. There are concrete facts that dispute all of this - descriptions of laws, statistics, etc. that have been posted on here numerous times - to the sound of crickets.
The rural midwesterner who really thinks Trump is going to solve their problems - THAT is sad.
Any sane person has to root for Trump to succeed. Many people on here have repeatedly stated that they would LOVE to see something positive in what he is doing. However, it's just not there. And if Trump actually had any experience and therefore a track record to which we could refer, maybe people wouldn't be looking so closely at his cabinet picks for a clue about what is about to happen.
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Re: Legitimate Question for Trump supporters
Posted by JennP
Posted by lululu
I think what scares me the most is the willingness of people to believe every.single.thing. the media says without bothering to do any research what so ever. It shows how easily manipulated the American people can be. Sad.
Most of the people who posted in that thread who are disgusted about Sessions' speech are people who are constantly posting links from non partisan sites that back up what they are saying.
Frankly, I see a lot more "manipulation" on the other side - people who really believe technology jobs from the 80s are coming back, people who are ignorant of state laws that limit access to abortions and are therefore blind to the need for federal protections, people who really believe corporations will do the right thing and create jobs when their taxes are cut, etc. There are concrete facts that dispute all of this - descriptions of laws, statistics, etc. that have been posted on here numerous times - to the sound of crickets.
The rural midwesterner who really thinks Trump is going to solve their problems - THAT is sad.
Any sane person has to root for Trump to succeed. Many people on here have repeatedly stated that they would LOVE to see something positive in what he is doing. However, it's just not there. And if Trump actually had any experience and therefore a track record to which we could refer, maybe people wouldn't be looking so closely at his cabinet picks for a clue about what is about to happen.
ITA!! Wel said! 
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Re: Legitimate Question for Trump supporters
Posted by JennP
Posted by lululu
I think what scares me the most is the willingness of people to believe every.single.thing. the media says without bothering to do any research what so ever. It shows how easily manipulated the American people can be. Sad.
Most of the people who posted in that thread who are disgusted about Sessions' speech are people who are constantly posting links from non partisan sites that back up what they are saying.
Frankly, I see a lot more "manipulation" on the other side - people who really believe technology jobs from the 80s are coming back, people who are ignorant of state laws that limit access to abortions and are therefore blind to the need for federal protections, people who really believe corporations will do the right thing and create jobs when their taxes are cut, etc. There are concrete facts that dispute all of this - descriptions of laws, statistics, etc. that have been posted on here numerous times - to the sound of crickets.
The rural midwesterner who really thinks Trump is going to solve their problems - THAT is sad.
Any sane person has to root for Trump to succeed. Many people on here have repeatedly stated that they would LOVE to see something positive in what he is doing. However, it's just not there. And if Trump actually had any experience and therefore a track record to which we could refer, maybe people wouldn't be looking so closely at his cabinet picks for a clue about what is about to happen.
^^^This
I'm sick of people blaming the media for everything. Yes, they are partly to blame for creating Frankentrump, but he gives them mucho ammo.
Why should we not look at a person's past to see how they might react in the future? Weren't people blasting HRC for her "superpredator" comment along with a million other things she did 25 years ago? But now we shouldn't take into consideration things that Trump's picks did in the past?
His Educ. secretary choice is terrible, his HHS choice will help millions of poor people ( a lot of whom voted for Trump) lose their health insurance when the ACA goes bye-bye. General Flynn is a disaster too. The man tweets fake news articles and links to known conspiracy theory websites. And he asked Ben freaking Carson to be HUD sec.! The man clearly said he wasn't qualified and he still asked him. Sessions was denied a Federal judgeship in 1986 because of his history of racist comments, but he's a-ok for attorney general?
None of that is media spin. None of that is being twisted. I read news from every which angle i can find. These picks trouble the hell out of me.
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justbeachy
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Re: Legitimate Question for Trump supporters
Posted by seaside
If you read, you'd see that this is not about views or biases. It's about his erratic behavior. And it was respectful.
I did read it.
Call me pessimistic..but I've been down the LIF black a few times. Based on the number of anti-trump threads on the first page alone, I think we know where this will go.
I do commend you for wanting an open dialogue...I'm just doubtful it will go that way. 
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Re: Legitimate Question for Trump supporters
I get where the OP is coming from by asking yet again for some explanation by his "supporters" of how it is ok that he is about to become POTUS
OP is frustrated, scared, anxious and just plain angry and appalled like many of us and we need someone to help is understand in our desperation for reason & answers!
However, I don't expect anyone to reply either I agree with PPs that this post comes off like an attack and we have BTDT
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lululu
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Re: Legitimate Question for Trump supporters
Posted by JennP
Posted by lululu
I think what scares me the most is the willingness of people to believe every.single.thing. the media says without bothering to do any research what so ever. It shows how easily manipulated the American people can be. Sad.
Most of the people who posted in that thread who are disgusted about Sessions' speech are people who are constantly posting links from non partisan sites that back up what they are saying.
Frankly, I see a lot more "manipulation" on the other side - people who really believe technology jobs from the 80s are coming back, people who are ignorant of state laws that limit access to abortions and are therefore blind to the need for federal protections, people who really believe corporations will do the right thing and create jobs when their taxes are cut, etc. There are concrete facts that dispute all of this - descriptions of laws, statistics, etc. that have been posted on here numerous times - to the sound of crickets.
The rural midwesterner who really thinks Trump is going to solve their problems - THAT is sad.
Any sane person has to root for Trump to succeed. Many people on here have repeatedly stated that they would LOVE to see something positive in what he is doing. However, it's just not there. And if Trump actually had any experience and therefore a track record to which we could refer, maybe people wouldn't be looking so closely at his cabinet picks for a clue about what is about to happen.
I guess I should have made my post more broad. It saddens me how stupid Americans are overall.
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seaside
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Re: Legitimate Question for Trump supporters
I'll say it one more time. Not an attack or bait--and kinda resent the implication. We CANNOT have btdt if my premise is that each day, I start over with him, hope for the best, respect our ideological differences, and recognize that he won. And each day, it's been about brand new, undiscussed new turf behavior (like the new tweeting/attacks/refusal to be briefed/continuing vendettas/being a sore winner, etc. etc. etc.
What should we do/when should we stop...in light of his erratic, petulant behavior that continues and renews each day? For those of us fine with accepting this man, his views,...according him respect...rooting for him, healing the divide, accepting that our views/Justices/visions will NOT carry the day...what should we make of the BEHAVIOR that is/should be wholly severable from the contest/election/loss/candidate?
We keep trying to take a deep breath and start fresh. Wipe the slate clean. Respect the office and the man. At least I do. I have from the beginning. I don't know what to do with the NEWEST BEHAVIOR. And I genuinely want to know whether those who have always supported the man, his views, his party, etc., are OK with the behavior, and how we can all come together respectfully.
As for the ad hominem attacks ON ME and accusations of me baiting or attacking...I will chalk that up to a fundamental misunderstanding of my posts and continue to keep it klassy. 
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Legitimate Question for Trump supporters
You could say the same about Obama
Pick and choose what is scary.
President-elect has selected three women who are children of immigrants for his administration. He had a rather non scary comment on Thanksgiving.
You don't have to agree with every breath
I think a lot of people weren't really 'supporters' for Trump as much as not supporters for her. That's just the point no one seems to want to understand.
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justbeachy
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Re: Legitimate Question for Trump supporters
Posted by seaside
And I genuinely want to know whether those who have always supported the man, his views, his party, etc., are OK with the behavior, and how we can all come together respectfully.
...And if they are ok with the behavior? Then what? That's what I'm saying here. I legitimately don't understand what you want to hear. It's honestly not that much of a surprise. I've watched every primary debate and his actions have never really deviated from 'his norm.' The man has always been borderline with his tweeting, antics, name calling, etc.
So now he's the president-elect. This is a massive shift from anything we've ever experienced. They playbook has been thrown out. It's not going to be like anything we've seen before. I am curious to see what happens. It's an fascinating time in politics (I was a polisci major ).
I guess the only thing I can offer up is to get involved on the grassroots level. Volunteer for causes that you are concerned about (LGBT, women's rights, etc.). Keep calling your local elected officials and become active involved citizens. I've already made several calls and will continue to do so. (This isn't directed at anyone in particular. Just a general suggestion).
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Re: Legitimate Question for Trump supporters
Posted by Xelindrya
You could say the same about Obama
Pick and choose what is scary.
President-elect has selected three women who are children of immigrants for his administration. He had a rather non scary comment on Thanksgiving.
You don't have to agree with every breath
I think a lot of people weren't really 'supporters' for Trump as much as not supporters for her. That's just the point no one seems to want to understand.
THIS
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Re: Legitimate Question for Trump supporters
Posted by justbeachy
Posted by seaside
And I genuinely want to know whether those who have always supported the man, his views, his party, etc., are OK with the behavior, and how we can all come together respectfully.
...And if they are ok with the behavior? Then what? That's what I'm saying here. I legitimately don't understand what you want to hear. It's honestly not that much of a surprise. I've watched every primary debate and his actions have never really deviated from 'his norm.' The man has always been borderline with his tweeting, antics, name calling, etc.
So now he's the president-elect. This is a massive shift from anything we've ever experienced. They playbook has been thrown out. It's not going to be like anything we've seen before. I am curious to see what happens. It's an fascinating time in politics (I was a polisci major ).
I guess the only thing I can offer up is to get involved on the grassroots level. Volunteer for causes that you are concerned about (LGBT, women's rights, etc.). Keep calling your local elected officials and become active involved citizens. I've already made several calls and will continue to do so. (This isn't directed at anyone in particular. Just a general suggestion).
There would be zero points made by anyone who supports Trump that would be accepted with open arms, no debate. So it's not worth replying to. You are correct.
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Re: Legitimate Question for Trump supporters
Beachy--we majored similarly. 
I guess what I wanted was honest information. I know that as someone who thinks about Sandy Hook regularly and supports reasonable gun control, many many people in this country disagree with me.
The same with my views many social, economic, and political issues. I understand where I fit in the big picture, and I make my peace with it as an adult.
I truly wanted to know if those with whom I disagreed ideologically, or even those who voted for him because they hated her more, stand with me on the separate, distinct issue of Trump's maturity as evinced from his VERY RECENT behavior. (So again, no btdt).
If people are OK with his behavior whereas I am horrified...OK. At least I know. Or if they oppose it, but still think he's fit and worth it? Or if they regret their support? Whatever the case, I like to know who I'm interacting with...whom I live among.
I have changed my mind many times once I learned new facts. I have also stuck to my guns many times when I continued in my beliefs. No one's perfect. No one knows everything. The only thing I have no respect for is an uninformed person forming a strong opinion and/or bragging about their ignorance. Otherwise, it's all good with me.
That was really it. All I "wanted" was what anyone wants when they post a question---the truth. I think I have some answers though. Always interesting and eye opening on here. 
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Legitimate Question for Trump supporters
I don't think this conversation is ugly..and I think it was worded in a way that has been pleaded many times. I'd love to know how some people are reconciling these choices/actions. Forget about unprecedented..that can be fine, but this is uneducated and childish behavior...a different animal, so to speak. Some people just jump on these threads to point a finger and never contribute a real discussion point.
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Re: Legitimate Question for Trump supporters
Posted by Xelindrya
You could say the same about Obama
Pick and choose what is scary.
President-elect has selected three women who are children of immigrants for his administration. He had a rather non scary comment on Thanksgiving.
You don't have to agree with every breath
I think a lot of people weren't really 'supporters' for Trump as much as not supporters for her. That's just the point no one seems to want to understand.
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