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jellybelly79
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Re: Making a Murderer (Netflix show)?
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Man, I hate to say it but him and his family .. They are like something out of a horror movie. Where your car breaks down and you end up knocking on their door and you never leave.
From what I've watched and read ..i think he's guilty as sin. Even his background history - all his crimes, including animal cruelty where he put his cat on fire. All of that hints at blatant disregard to life and power issues.
They are all disgusting.
One person doesn't have that much bad luck, you know?
I googled the evidence that wasn't in the show, and I think he is guilty too. After I read what he did to his cat...he is a sick PO-S. That being said, I wouldn't be surprised if the police did tamper with the evidence to ensure he was found guilty. Something was definitely off here.
He is a POS for what he did to the cat but at the beginning he says he was youg and stupid, not that that makes it ok but it was a bunch of friends goofing around and it happened. I don't believe that he is guilty of killing Teresa though
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Re: Making a Murderer (Netflix show)?
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Man, I hate to say it but him and his family .. They are like something out of a horror movie. Where your car breaks down and you end up knocking on their door and you never leave.
From what I've watched and read ..i think he's guilty as sin. Even his background history - all his crimes, including animal cruelty where he put his cat on fire. All of that hints at blatant disregard to life and power issues.
They are all disgusting.
One person doesn't have that much bad luck, you know?
I googled the evidence that wasn't in the show, and I think he is guilty too. After I read what he did to his cat...he is a sick PO-S. That being said, I wouldn't be surprised if the police did tamper with the evidence to ensure he was found guilty. Something was definitely off here.
He is a POS for what he did to the cat but at the beginning he says he was youg and stupid, not that that makes it ok but it was a bunch of friends goofing around and it happened. I don't believe that he is guilty of killing Teresa though
He was 20. So an adult. Anyone who can do that to a cat (to his own cat) is sick in the mind. I'm horrified just thinking about it! Just one step up to killing humans. Eta: it doesn't mention this on the show, but they doused the cat in gasoline first.
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Re: Making a Murderer (Netflix show)?
terrible injustice. i can't believe they found him guilty without real evidence...i def think the ex-boyfriend/roommate had something to do with it. his nephew was set up, too....such a shame
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Making a Murderer (Netflix show)?
Doesn't anyone else find it weird that the ex boyfriend guessed her password and logged into her phone account? And that her brother logged into her voicemail and apparently deleted a few? Really shady.
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Re: Making a Murderer (Netflix show)?
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Doesn't anyone else find it weird that the ex boyfriend guessed her password and logged into her phone account? And that her brother logged into her voicemail and apparently deleted a few? Really shady.
Yes yes yes !!!
And it breaks my heart with Brendan. I can't stop thinking about him.
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Making a Murderer (Netflix show)?
http://mobile.onmilwaukee.com/movies/articles/evidenceagainstavery.html
I found this and other such articles online. I don't know what to say
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Re: Making a Murderer (Netflix show)?
Whether or not he is actually guilty, I do not think they proved he was guilty beyond a reasonable doubt. I just don't see how 12 jurors were convinced to convict him, although the same could be said about his first conviction for rape.
On a random side note, while obsessively googling this case, I found out that Steven Avery's ex wife (mother of his children) is now remarried to Brandon Dassey's father. Isn't that kind of a weird coincidence?
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Michelle1110
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Making a Murderer (Netflix show)?
I agree Suzanne- but then I've been reading there was a lot the jury saw that they didn't put on the documentary. I've been reconsidering my opinion.
Regardless, there are so many disturbing things about how this case was carried out.
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Re: Making a Murderer (Netflix show)?
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http://mobile.onmilwaukee.com/movies/articles/evidenceagainstavery.html
I found this and other such articles online. I don't know what to say
The sweat stains on the car hood. How the documentary could leave this out shows even the documentary isn't unbiased.
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Re: Making a Murderer (Netflix show)?
I just finished this series last night and I do think he's innocent. I don't think he's smart enough to murder that woman without leaving any evidence in his house. Like a pp said, how can there be no blood? They show the condition of the garage, there'd be no way for him to get rid of every trace of evidence if he shot her in there. It doesn't make sense. Her roommate and ex boyfriend seemed incredibly guilty. On a side note does anyone think Steven Avery might secretly be the beaver from Zoobilee Zoo? Image Attachment(s):
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Re: Making a Murderer (Netflix show)?
Posted by shadows
Doesn't anyone else find it weird that the ex boyfriend guessed her password and logged into her phone account? And that her brother logged into her voicemail and apparently deleted a few? Really shady.
Yes!!! I think her brother killed her. Still do.
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Re: Making a Murderer (Netflix show)?
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I just finished this series last night and I do think he's innocent. I don't think he's smart enough to murder that woman without leaving any evidence in his house. Like a pp said, how can there be no blood? They show the condition of the garage, there'd be no way for him to get rid of every trace of evidence if he shot her in there. It doesn't make sense. Her roommate and ex boyfriend seemed incredibly guilty.
I can't rationalize why Steven's sweat would be on the hood of her car, if there wasn't something fishy...
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Making a Murderer (Netflix show)?
I'm very conflicted. I do not believe that a jury could say he was guilty beyond a reasonable doubt.
I feel like Brendan has to be innocent...but then....where did that come from? Was it his brother who did it and told him and he said it was Steven? Did he see Steven do something? Could he REALLY have made that all up bc they coerced him? I just don't know...the fact that he is SO limited makes me feel like something had to happen for him to have anything in his head, could it just have been what Kayla told him??
Also I don't like that they left things out of the documentary, a lot of these facts are important...why leave them out? It makes me feel like it is so skewed to believe their innocence....
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Re: Making a Murderer (Netflix show)?
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I'm very conflicted. I do not believe that a jury could say he was guilty beyond a reasonable doubt.
I feel like Brendan has to be innocent...but then....where did that come from? Was it his brother who did it and told him and he said it was Steven? Did he see Steven do something? Could he REALLY have made that all up bc they coerced him? I just don't know...the fact that he is SO limited makes me feel like something had to happen for him to have anything in his head, could it just have been what Kayla told him??
Also I don't like that they left things out of the documentary, a lot of these facts are important...why leave them out? It makes me feel like it is so skewed to believe their innocence....
During the trial he said he got the ideas from the movie Kiss the Girls.
I watched that a very long time ago and don't remember the details. Does anyone know if similar storyline? Tied down, cut hair etc.?
I'm obsessed and would love if anyone has uncovered additional information about the case not in the documentary...
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Re: Making a Murderer (Netflix show)?
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Man, I hate to say it but him and his family .. They are like something out of a horror movie. Where your car breaks down and you end up knocking on their door and you never leave.
From what I've watched and read ..i think he's guilty as sin. Even his background history - all his crimes, including animal cruelty where he put his cat on fire. All of that hints at blatant disregard to life and power issues.
They are all disgusting.
One person doesn't have that much bad luck, you know?
You watched the documentary and think he's quilty?
I only finished the first 3 episodes but what I've seen so far I don't think he's quilty. Nothing adds up.
I just finished 3 too.
Honestly? I think he is too dumb/unable to lie to people. Even when he was speaking to the newsmedia before he was arrested, I don't think he would actually be able to do that if he was guilty. Look at how they kept saying that if he admitted to the assault/rape he would get out on parole, and he wouldn't do it.
He has an IQ of 70.
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Re: Making a Murderer (Netflix show)?
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I just finished this series last night and I do think he's innocent. I don't think he's smart enough to murder that woman without leaving any evidence in his house. Like a pp said, how can there be no blood? They show the condition of the garage, there'd be no way for him to get rid of every trace of evidence if he shot her in there. It doesn't make sense. Her roommate and ex boyfriend seemed incredibly guilty.
I can't rationalize why Steven's sweat would be on the hood of her car, if there wasn't something fishy...
That is the KEY point for me. I could rationalize everything else. But his sweat on the hood?! Brendan said that they opened the hood of her car and took out the battery cable, so it makes sense if Brendan is telling the truth.
It all doesn't sit right.
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I just finished this series last night and I do think he's innocent. I don't think he's smart enough to murder that woman without leaving any evidence in his house. Like a pp said, how can there be no blood? They show the condition of the garage, there'd be no way for him to get rid of every trace of evidence if he shot her in there. It doesn't make sense. Her roommate and ex boyfriend seemed incredibly guilty.
I can't rationalize why Steven's sweat would be on the hood of her car, if there wasn't something fishy...
That is the KEY point for me. I could rationalize everything else. But his sweat on the hood?! Brendan said that they opened the hood of her car and took out the battery cable, so it makes sense if Brendan is telling the truth.
It all doesn't sit right.
Maybe he leaned on her car during a conversation or while she was photographing the car?
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Re: Making a Murderer (Netflix show)?
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I just finished this series last night and I do think he's innocent. I don't think he's smart enough to murder that woman without leaving any evidence in his house. Like a pp said, how can there be no blood? They show the condition of the garage, there'd be no way for him to get rid of every trace of evidence if he shot her in there. It doesn't make sense. Her roommate and ex boyfriend seemed incredibly guilty.
I can't rationalize why Steven's sweat would be on the hood of her car, if there wasn't something fishy...
That is the KEY point for me. I could rationalize everything else. But his sweat on the hood?! Brendan said that they opened the hood of her car and took out the battery cable, so it makes sense if Brendan is telling the truth.
It all doesn't sit right.
Maybe he leaned on her car during a conversation or while she was photographing the car?
Possibly, but it was also on the latch of the hood. You have to put your fingers in there purposely under the hood in order to get your DNA in there.
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Re: Making a Murderer (Netflix show)?
I dont know what to make of it. I mean, it all seems SO corrupt. Like, if he did kill her, where is the blood, where did he kill her? Why would he just leave her car in plain site on his lot. It doesnt make sense. Then the vile of blood and the broken evidence seal. I seriously DO NOT trust her brother AT ALL. Even before reading this I thought it was SO weird the first thing he said was he doesnt know how long he will grieve for, but yet she had only been missing like a day and wasnt confirmed dead yet. I still have a few episodes to go, but I dont know. I dont know that he DIDNT do it, but definitely not beyond a shadow of reasonable doubt. I have never seen such corruption in my life. However, can one dept be SO corrupt that they kill an innocent woman just to frame this man?
Id be interested to know what was omitted from the documentary. I was reading an article yesterday and the County Sheriff was saying in the police interview video you can see in the Doc that it is spliced together bc the time stamp jumps around.
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Re: Making a Murderer (Netflix show)?
I tried watching this and couldn't even get through the previews.
I feel like I'd be put to sleep
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Re: Making a Murderer (Netflix show)?
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I dont know what to make of it. I mean, it all seems SO corrupt. Like, if he did kill her, where is the blood, where did he kill her? Why would he just leave her car in plain site on his lot. It doesnt make sense. Then the vile of blood and the broken evidence seal. I seriously DO NOT trust her brother AT ALL. Even before reading this I thought it was SO weird the first thing he said was he doesnt know how long he will grieve for, but yet she had only been missing like a day and wasnt confirmed dead yet. I still have a few episodes to go, but I dont know. I dont know that he DIDNT do it, but definitely not beyond a shadow of reasonable doubt. I have never seen such corruption in my life. However, can one dept be SO corrupt that they kill an innocent woman just to frame this man?
Id be interested to know what was omitted from the documentary. I was reading an article yesterday and the County Sheriff was saying in the police interview video you can see in the Doc that it is spliced together bc the time stamp jumps around.
I posted the link above but here it is again. 14 things the doc didn't show:
http://mobile.onmilwaukee.com/movies/articles/evidenceagainstavery.html
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Re: Making a Murderer (Netflix show)?
Posted by Michelle1110
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I dont know what to make of it. I mean, it all seems SO corrupt. Like, if he did kill her, where is the blood, where did he kill her? Why would he just leave her car in plain site on his lot. It doesnt make sense. Then the vile of blood and the broken evidence seal. I seriously DO NOT trust her brother AT ALL. Even before reading this I thought it was SO weird the first thing he said was he doesnt know how long he will grieve for, but yet she had only been missing like a day and wasnt confirmed dead yet. I still have a few episodes to go, but I dont know. I dont know that he DIDNT do it, but definitely not beyond a shadow of reasonable doubt. I have never seen such corruption in my life. However, can one dept be SO corrupt that they kill an innocent woman just to frame this man?
Id be interested to know what was omitted from the documentary. I was reading an article yesterday and the County Sheriff was saying in the police interview video you can see in the Doc that it is spliced together bc the time stamp jumps around.
I posted the link above but here it is again. 14 things the doc didn't show:
http://mobile.onmilwaukee.com/movies/articles/evidenceagainstavery.html
I read the article with all of the evidence not on Netflix. It is just so hard for me to believe that only 2 years later, after spending 18 in prison, for a crime you didn't commit, that you would murder someone, and murder someone on your own property with all of that evidence linking you to the murder. I mean what a sloppy murder if it was him.
It is also very hard for me to believe that the police dept from that town would plant evidence, knowing the microscope they were under from the whole state, from the conviction of Avery 20 years before that.
I am not finished with this documentary yet, but the thing that sticks out the most to me is the key. How could detectives sweep a house for a murder and not notice a key in plain sight by a nightstand. I mean it wasn't like it was hidden in some secret place. Also, why would Avery leave the key right by his nightstand. It just doesn't make sense.
I guess when thinking about a murderer, you can't really expect anything, because if they are going to murder, then they are not in the right mind frame anyway....
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Re: Making a Murderer (Netflix show)?
I'm not sure if he is guilty or innocent. What I do know, from watching the doc is that he did NOT get a fair trial which is all he was owed.
There were too many conflicts of interest in regard to the prosecution who tried his previous case and this recent case. The prosecution made damning statements regarding the crime in a press conference that could have easily swayed any potential juror out there. His statements at that moment were deplorable and he even stated in an article that he regretted making them.
As for the sweat, I read somewhere today (NYT maybe) that there is no way to know that they DNA they found was from sweat.
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Making a Murderer (Netflix show)?
Now one juror is saying that they didn't think he was guilty, bargained and compromised on their decisions because they were afraid of the repercussions and fearful of their safety.
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Re: Making a Murderer (Netflix show)?
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It is also very hard for me to believe that the police dept from that town would plant evidence, knowing the microscope they were under from the whole state, from the conviction of Avery 20 years before that.
I don't find it far fetched that the police could think they could get away with it. Technically, (if it's true that they set him up) they *did* get away with it b/c both were convicted. No one would know anything about the case if it weren't for the documentary.
Maybe I'm remembering the show incorrectly, but I think they talked about how certain people were there to watch the local police in case anything went wrong, but they admitted that they weren't watched all the time and that's when the key was found. It also seemed like there were a lot of police coming in and out of there (since they illegally kicked Avery off the property for days) and that almost anyone could have tampered with evidence (or planted).
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