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acm1899
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Re: Massapequa Park Dad: "Police should not have killed my son." - thoughts? (w/poll)
Posted by neener1211
A parent is going to want to protect their child in every way possible, but when you don't teach them to act appropriately in society, perhaps there is some fault there.
The kid obviously had mental issues. I don't know if the parents necessarily didn't 'teach him how to act appropriately.' However they do have to bear some of the responsibility. I mean, where did all these knives come from and did they not know that they were being kept in their own home?
In the end, this is really just a terrible accident caused by perhaps a lot of unforseen circumstances and in the end someone paid with their life.
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acm1899
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Re: Massapequa Park Dad: "Police should not have killed my son." - thoughts? (w/poll)
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neener1211
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Re: Massapequa Park Dad: "Police should not have killed my son." - thoughts? (w/poll)
Posted by acm1899
Posted by neener1211
A parent is going to want to protect their child in every way possible, but when you don't teach them to act appropriately in society, perhaps there is some fault there.
The kid obviously had mental issues. I don't know if the parents necessarily didn't 'teach him how to act appropriately.' However they do have to bear some of the responsibility. I mean, where did all these knives come from and did they not know that they were being kept in their own home?
In the end, this is really just a terrible accident caused by perhaps a lot of unforseen circumstances and in the end someone paid with their life.
I agree, this is what I meant. You can't have your mentally unstable child run around with knives that you know are in your home and not take responsibility. Get rid of the knives, get your kid some help.
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jerseypanda
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Re: Massapequa Park Dad: "Police should not have killed my son." - thoughts? (w/poll)
I am not a cop, I don't know any cops personally, but I am aware that the police are trained to use deadly force, like a PP stated.
It's my understanding that if someone has a weapon, whether it is a knife or a gun or something else, and they are coming towards the cops, the police are trained to not only aim for the chest, but to also empty their weapons completely. So not only are they going to shoot, they are going to shoot until all their bullets are gone. That's why you always hear stories of people being shot 5, 6, 7 times.
You hear stories of people who get incredible strength in times of emergencies... enough strength to lift a car. Imagine you have someone who is on drugs or has something mentally going on... they may not even flinch if they are shot in the leg. So if someone is coming towards a cop with a knife, who's to say that when they are shot in the leg, they won't continue to come towards the cop and get them with the knife. The police just can't take that chance. It's a split second decision that they have to make in order to protect themselves and the public.
I can't imagine that it is an easy decision to unload your weapon on someone. I'm sure they try and try and try to get the person to drop their weapon. It's a sad situation all around.
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ThePinkGoose
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Re: Massapequa Park Dad: "Police should not have killed my son." - thoughts? (w/poll)
Posted by cateyemm
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One thing- cops are trained to use DEADLY FORCE.
Not disabling force.
Next time, dont' pull a knife on a cop.
This is what I was going to say.
DITTO. If you put yourself in that situation, you get what you get. I'm sorry but if you're willing to lunge at COPS with knives, what would you do to a civilian. With that being said, my brother is a cop and if anyone lunged at him with a knife I am certain I would want him to defend himself in ANY way necessary.
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IrishLasss334
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Re: Massapequa Park Dad: "Police should not have killed my son." - thoughts? (w/poll)
Posted by cds58019
IMO I feel cops shouldn't be so quick to shoot. And if they need to, yes I do feel they should be trained to disable a person instead of killing them. I understand he came at them with a knife but why not lower your aim and give him a shot to the leg? I know it could just be a reaction to shoot but isn't this why cops go through training? Anybody can be given a gun and shoot someone else in order to stop them. Cops should be trained to disable a person first then proceed to deadly force if that doesn't work for some reason.
Just a sad situation for all sides. 
You make it sound like a small neat little package wrapped up in a bow. "train them to disable"???? Of course they are trained to disable.
I cannot tell you what Nassau/Suffolk or the NYPD does now, but 7 years ago, my DH went through intense training, not just to use deadly force, but negotiation tactics, using mace, (only sgts & above can have a taser), using a collapsing baton, using his fists - all defensive and offensive. They have tactical scenarios/role playing/ training, with psychological training.
Do you know how many psychologically unbalanced people, and let's not even bring into the conversation, someone high on drugs, are completely impervious to a taser and mace? They don't feel the pain. You could beat them with a 2x4 and they wouldn't feel it.
Police have a small window of opportunity when someone is threatening, not only them, but innocent bystanders with bodily harm. There is no time to do a psych profile or a drug test to see what the psych problem du jour is.
I don't blame you for feeling the way you do, but it's just not the reality in the world we live in.
Edited because I just saw rubber pellet bullets as a choice - what a laugh n- those things are cr@p. The PD uses them as part of their tactical scenario training, my DH has been hit with them, they are BS.
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Ayne11
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Re: Massapequa Park Dad: "Police should not have killed my son." - thoughts? (w/poll)
I don't know what I would do if I saw This coming at me by a man who is not mentally well.
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Re: Massapequa Park Dad: "Police should not have killed my son." - thoughts? (w/poll)
Come at a cop with a deadly weapon?
Tough. Die.
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| Posted 3/15/11 2:07 PM |
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IrishLasss334
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Re: Massapequa Park Dad: "Police should not have killed my son." - thoughts? (w/poll)
Posted by PearlJamChick
Come at a cop with a deadly weapon?
Tough. Die.
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| Posted 3/15/11 2:10 PM |
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Re: Massapequa Park Dad: "Police should not have killed my son." - thoughts? (w/poll)
I wasn't there, and I am not a fan of second guessing police. If he was that crazed, would shooting him in the leg have made a difference?
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| Posted 3/15/11 2:15 PM |
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imagin916
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Re: Massapequa Park Dad: "Police should not have killed my son." - thoughts? (w/poll)
To those who say that they could have maced him or tasered him. Trust me, when you see mentally disturbed and homicidal at this level, these things don't even touch the person. The cops would have been sliced open while still spraying the mace.
There are several videos going around that they use for law enforcement training that show an assailant with a knife vs a cop with a gun. Some of these videos are from 30+ years ago and capture actual footage of the cop being killed by the person with the knife. Is anyone here aware that here on LI, a lot of these hispanic gangs have members trained by the military or gangs in their home countries on how to kill fast and effectively with knives? I'm sure that this type of training isn't exclusive to them, and a nutjob like this guy could easily watch videos online.
I feel only for the cops involved and thier families. The POS that was killed should rot in hell.
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cds58019
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Re: Massapequa Park Dad: "Police should not have killed my son." - thoughts? (w/poll)
Posted by IrishLass
Posted by cds58019
IMO I feel cops shouldn't be so quick to shoot. And if they need to, yes I do feel they should be trained to disable a person instead of killing them. I understand he came at them with a knife but why not lower your aim and give him a shot to the leg? I know it could just be a reaction to shoot but isn't this why cops go through training? Anybody can be given a gun and shoot someone else in order to stop them. Cops should be trained to disable a person first then proceed to deadly force if that doesn't work for some reason.
Just a sad situation for all sides.
You make it sound like a small neat little package wrapped up in a bow. "train them to disable"???? Of course they are trained to disable.
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So if they are supposedly trained to disable why is it that you never hear of the suspect getting shot in the leg or something like that? They are almost always killed.
I am in NO WAY defending this man. He was obviously troubled and wasnt getting the help he needed. I just feel in general with situations like this, death is always the end result.
And not for nothing but why do cops get to use greater force then what is used against them? You know that if someone came at me with a knife and I shot them I would have the world telling me that I was not justified to use a gun against them because they were only using a knife.
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saraH
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Re: Massapequa Park Dad: "Police should not have killed my son." - thoughts? (w/poll)
I feel they acted appropriately.
My BIL is FDNY, and a former NYPD. He told me years ago that it is not as easy as everyone things to hit someone in the leg, arm, etc. It's a tough situation all around.
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neener1211
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Re: Massapequa Park Dad: "Police should not have killed my son." - thoughts? (w/poll)
Posted by cds58019
So if they are supposedly trained to disable why is it that you never hear of the suspect getting shot in the leg or something like that? They are almost always killed.
Because the press doesn't write articles about a suspect getting shot in the leg. When someone is killed, that is when they write the story.
And not for nothing but why do cops get to use greater force then what is used against them? You know that if someone came at me with a knife and I shot them I would have the world telling me that I was not justified to use a gun against them because they were only using a knife.
Why do they get to use greater force? Because they are the cops. They wouldn't whip out a knife and start trying to stab the suspect back. They are trained to effectively and efficiently STOP the suspect so no other harm comes to the them or the public around them.
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Re: Massapequa Park Dad: "Police should not have killed my son." - thoughts? (w/poll)
Posted by cds58019
Posted by IrishLass
Posted by cds58019
IMO I feel cops shouldn't be so quick to shoot. And if they need to, yes I do feel they should be trained to disable a person instead of killing them. I understand he came at them with a knife but why not lower your aim and give him a shot to the leg? I know it could just be a reaction to shoot but isn't this why cops go through training? Anybody can be given a gun and shoot someone else in order to stop them. Cops should be trained to disable a person first then proceed to deadly force if that doesn't work for some reason.
Just a sad situation for all sides.
You make it sound like a small neat little package wrapped up in a bow. "train them to disable"???? Of course they are trained to disable.
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So if they are supposedly trained to disable why is it that you never hear of the suspect getting shot in the leg or something like that? They are almost always killed.
Stories like that don't get as much media attention. That's why you never hear about it.. and if you do, it's old news by the time the ink dries.
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| Posted 3/15/11 2:26 PM |
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Re: Massapequa Park Dad: "Police should not have killed my son." - thoughts? (w/poll)
I feel for Officer Breitkopf and his family...there was a time, back in HS, where I was close with him and his brother 
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| Posted 3/15/11 2:28 PM |
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cateyemm
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Re: Massapequa Park Dad: "Police should not have killed my son." - thoughts? (w/poll)
Posted by MrsProfessor
I wasn't there, and I am not a fan of second guessing police. QUOTE]
this is why I didnt vote. Its not my place to opine.
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| Posted 3/15/11 2:33 PM |
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heathergirl
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Re: Massapequa Park Dad: "Police should not have killed my son." - thoughts? (w/poll)
It is what it is. I see no point in debating whether or not I think they did the right thing.
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Mommy2Boys
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Re: Massapequa Park Dad: "Police should not have killed my son." - thoughts? (w/poll)
Posted by cds58019
Posted by IrishLass
Posted by cds58019
IMO I feel cops shouldn't be so quick to shoot. And if they need to, yes I do feel they should be trained to disable a person instead of killing them. I understand he came at them with a knife but why not lower your aim and give him a shot to the leg? I know it could just be a reaction to shoot but isn't this why cops go through training? Anybody can be given a gun and shoot someone else in order to stop them. Cops should be trained to disable a person first then proceed to deadly force if that doesn't work for some reason.
Just a sad situation for all sides.
You make it sound like a small neat little package wrapped up in a bow. "train them to disable"???? Of course they are trained to disable.
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So if they are supposedly trained to disable why is it that you never hear of the suspect getting shot in the leg or something like that? They are almost always killed.
Because thanks to your local media, it just isn't a good news story.
Have you ever seen someone hopped up on PCP with a weapon? They get super hulk strength and cannot feel pain, some dont even react to a taser. My DH is a pretty big guy, 6' 4" and 245 lbs. Sometimes it takes 3 and 4 of him to get a skinny drugged out guy on the ground and cuff em'.
And given the situation, the cops were being CHARGED at by a guy with multiple knives in his hands, it is not reasonable to expect a cop to think "hmm...let me just shoot him in the leg"  They aim for the biggest target they can find...the chest.
I feel bad for the father...but his son was mentally ill and given his FB page was bound to end up dead or in jail at some point regardless. I wouldnt want to be a parent seeing my son shot and killed in front of me, at the same time it was either him or the cops. Kill or be killed.
ETA: And unfortunately cops go through training to disarm suspects, self defense, etc. But cops are not the Jack Bauers and Elliot's of the world  TV gives people a false idea of what being a cop is all about.
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IrishLasss334
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Re: Massapequa Park Dad: "Police should not have killed my son." - thoughts? (w/poll)
Posted by cds58019
So if they are supposedly trained to disable why is it that you never hear of the suspect getting shot in the leg or something like that? They are almost always killed.
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I'm am not commenting on the "supposedly trained" comment - this is just ignorance.
The answer is - Because it isn't newsworthy. There is only so much space in Newsday, so much space in the NY Post and only so many minutes on the 5 o'clock news. It's a credit to all the departments that for every insane person they apprehend, however it goes down, IT DOES NOT MAKE THE NEWS.
They are NOT almost always killed. If they were, you would hear about it 24/7. That is how you KNOW they are trained. They don't just answer one call a day, or pull over one car a day or one 9/11 call a day. It's not TV, it's not the movies.
The answer to your last question - because they are the police and that's what they are hired to do. My DH doesn't walk around with every weapon available out there for every criminal like it's the OK Corral. The police are issued mace, batons and guns and their training and sent out to do their sworn duties.
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Mommy2Boys
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Re: Massapequa Park Dad: "Police should not have killed my son." - thoughts? (w/poll)
Posted by IrishLass
Posted by cds58019
So if they are supposedly trained to disable why is it that you never hear of the suspect getting shot in the leg or something like that? They are almost always killed.
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I'm am not commenting on the "supposedly trained" comment - this is just ignorance.
The answer is - Because it isn't newsworthy. There is only so much space in Newsday, so much space in the NY Post and only so many minutes on the 5 o'clock news. It's a credit to all the departments that for every insane person they apprehend, however it goes down, IT DOES NOT MAKE THE NEWS.
They are NOT almost always killed. If they were, you would hear about it 24/7. That is how you KNOW they are trained. They don't just answer one call a day, or pull over one car a day or one 9/11 call a day. It's not TV, it's not the movies.
The answer to your last question - because they are the police and that's what they are hired to do. My DH doesn't walk around with every weapon available out there for every criminal like it's the OK Corral. The police are issued mace, batons and guns and their training and sent out to do their sworn duties.
And to add to this, IrishLass correct me if I'm wrong, only sergeants are allowed to use tasers (or is it leutenants?) at least in the NYPD. Not all cops are allowed to carry them as you see on Law & Order
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NervousNell
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Re: Massapequa Park Dad: "Police should not have killed my son." - thoughts? (w/poll)
Posted by PearlJamChick
Come at a cop with a deadly weapon?
Tough. Die.
Exactly.
Better him than an innocent cop- trying to do his job and suport his family.
The shame of it is- an innocent cop had to die in this case anyway.
THAT is the tragedy here.
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IrishLasss334
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Re: Massapequa Park Dad: "Police should not have killed my son." - thoughts? (w/poll)
Posted by Mommy2Boys
And to add to this, IrishLass correct me if I'm wrong, only sergeants are allowed to use tasers (or is it leutenants?). Not all cops are allowed to carry them as you see on Law & Order
I don't know about Nassau & Suffolk, I don't think my brother has a taser in Nassau, but I can ask him.
In NYPD, PO's do not have a taser. It is the rank of Sgt & above that have the training for this.
Even then, it doesn't always work. My DH has seen it not work on someone, the perp was high on drugs, didn't feel a thing.
As a pp said, the tragedy is that an innocent life was taken that night, in a horrible accident, the life of a police officer.
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neener1211
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Re: Massapequa Park Dad: "Police should not have killed my son." - thoughts? (w/poll)
Posted by Mommy2Boys
And to add to this, IrishLass correct me if I'm wrong, only sergeants are allowed to use tasers (or is it leutenants?) at least in the NYPD. Not all cops are allowed to carry them as you see on Law & Order
I know the new recruits of the SCPD have tasers, and are also tasered themselves. You have to be trained to operate a taser.
Some SCPD do not have tasers bc they have not been trained.
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Re: Massapequa Park Dad: "Police should not have killed my son." - thoughts? (w/poll)
Posted by Mommy2Boys
And to add to this, IrishLass correct me if I'm wrong, only sergeants are allowed to use tasers (or is it leutenants?) at least in the NYPD. Not all cops are allowed to carry them as you see on Law & Order
As far as NYPD is concerned -- that's correct.
Only Sgts and above are allowed tasers.
Also, it's so true that when cops disarm a suspect without deadly force, you NEVER EVER EVER hear about it because the media doesn't like doing many positive cop stories. These are the stories only family & friends of cops hear when their loved one comes home.
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