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Deedlebugs
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Re: Massapequa Park Dad: "Police should not have killed my son." - thoughts? (w/poll)
The timeline is in minutes. Officer Breitkopf was already at the hospital and pronounced dead at 9:19pm. The ambulance was there in a few minutes.
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Stacey1403
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Re: Massapequa Park Dad: "Police should not have killed my son." - thoughts? (w/poll)
I got a call a little while from my SD about traffic for tomorrow I had no idea this officer lived in my town
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| Posted 3/16/11 7:09 PM |
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Re: Massapequa Park Dad: "Police should not have killed my son." - thoughts? (w/poll)
Message edited 11/27/2011 10:45:18 AM.
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| Posted 3/16/11 7:09 PM |
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Deedlebugs
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Re: Massapequa Park Dad: "Police should not have killed my son." - thoughts? (w/poll)
Posted by Stacey1403
I got a call a little while from my SD about traffic for tomorrow I had no idea this officer lived in my town
I guess I used to live right by you. DH will be there tomorrow and on Friday for the funeral. I know he plans on parking by his friends house and walking since traffic is going to be nuts.
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| Posted 3/16/11 7:25 PM |
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Deedlebugs
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Re: Massapequa Park Dad: "Police should not have killed my son." - thoughts? (w/poll)
Posted by imthekevinofcindyandkevin
Posted by Deedlebugs
The timeline is in minutes. Officer Breitkopf was already at the hospital and pronounced dead at 9:19pm. The ambulance was there in a few minutes.
ohhhhh
that makes sense.
thank you.
I know, I was confused at first too. I thought they were using military time but then I realized that 00:00 was the start of the first call and not the actual time.
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| Posted 3/16/11 7:25 PM |
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VickiRG510
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Re: Massapequa Park Dad: "Police should not have killed my son." - thoughts? (w/poll)
My friends husband was friends with & worked with the fallen officer. He has said that the confusion is everywhere. In fact according to most of the men there they didnt even hear the retired officer yell GUN at all. So the investigation continues.
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| Posted 3/16/11 7:38 PM |
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Re: Massapequa Park Dad: "Police should not have killed my son." - thoughts? (w/poll)
Posted by VickiRG510
My friends husband was friends with & worked with the fallen officer. He has said that the confusion is everywhere. In fact according to most of the men there they didnt even hear the retired officer yell GUN at all. So the investigation continues.
I hope they get to the bottom of it.
I recently read this, and took it for what it was, being it came from PBA President Carver:
Nassau PBA President James Carver said that retired NYPD Sgt. John Cafarella is known to show up uninvited at crime scenes, and that is exactly what he did on Saturday night.
"He was in background... being a nuisance," Carver said of Cafarella.
Carver claims Cafarella yelled "gun" causing the confusion that led to an MTA police officer fatally shooting Officer Breitkopf
Police have not officially confirmed Carver's claims, but are investigating.
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| Posted 3/16/11 8:24 PM |
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imagin916
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Re: Massapequa Park Dad: "Police should not have killed my son." - thoughts? (w/poll)
I work in a hospital that has a psych facility, so many EDP's get brought to where I work. I have sat there numerous times watching these EDP's spit, hit, kick and curse out NYPD officers, and the officers always keep their cool. I have yet to see any of these EDP's come in shot or otherwise injured by the police due to use of excessive force. And yes, some of these EDP's have attacked them using screwdrivers, hedgetrimmers, pocket knives and other weapons. I can say with no doubt in my mind that if officers shot someone instead of handling it differently that this guy truly was a grave threat and they did what they had to do.
That being said, having experience with out of control psych patients is not new to me. The ones that act out, spit and curse are not the ones that I fear generally. Sometimes they can be reasoned/bargained with to calm down, sometimes it takes meds to do it. Despite their behavior, they do have boundaries, and most aren't looking to hurt random people.
This guy on the other hand, is a whole 'nother thing all together. In 8 years, I have only seen his type of EDP once or twice. When you see it, it will truly shake you to the core. When you look into their eyes, there is nothing there, like they are totally devoid of a soul. I'm a rational person, and even I believe that there are just some people that truly are possessed by the devil or some sort of evil. This type of person isn't acting. This guy would gut you and your whole family and then go home and watch TV or something without even a hint of guilt or feeling. Who knows what might come out later about him, maybe he was killing people, I wouldn't be surprised.
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| Posted 3/16/11 8:48 PM |
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nicrae
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Re: Massapequa Park Dad: "Police should not have killed my son." - thoughts? (w/poll)
Posted by sfp0701
Posted by Michelle1123
Posted by CaMacho
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Chemical imbalance and psychological problems have NOTHING to do with parental rearing. It is clear that this person had severe issues.
Yes, but if that was your kid living under your roof and had "severe issues" would you let him have all those knives and weapons in his room and post pictures them on FB? How could the parents sleep at night knowing what he had in his room. That's what I don't get.
THIS!
These parents were in serious denial after viewing this guy's FB page. If they can sit there and claim he was a great kid and never got him professional help for his obvious issues, then they are as much to blame.
When I read the articles I got the impression that he went to an alternate high school. They never mentioned Massapequa high school.. and all the friends were identified as "someone who went to high school with him". As someone who works in an alternate high school, that's how I interpreted all of those remarks. I have a feeling he got a lot of help in the past and just reached a point where the parents couldn't do anymore. The people interviewed eluded to a long history of mental illness with him. I could totally be wrong.
He went to Massapequa HS Class of 2007. I was reading the Massapequa Patch and many people are commenting on the articles and have said they went to school with him.
I think it is a sad situation all around and I feel bad for all parties involved.
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| Posted 3/16/11 8:53 PM |
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Re: Massapequa Park Dad: "Police should not have killed my son." - thoughts? (w/poll)
Posted by speakthetruth
Posted by VickiRG510
My friends husband was friends with & worked with the fallen officer. He has said that the confusion is everywhere. In fact according to most of the men there they didnt even hear the retired officer yell GUN at all. So the investigation continues.
I hope they get to the bottom of it.
I recently read this, and took it for what it was, being it came from PBA President Carver:
Nassau PBA President James Carver said that retired NYPD Sgt. John Cafarella is known to show up uninvited at crime scenes, and that is exactly what he did on Saturday night.
"He was in background... being a nuisance," Carver said of Cafarella.
Carver claims Cafarella yelled "gun" causing the confusion that led to an MTA police officer fatally shooting Officer Breitkopf
Police have not officially confirmed Carver's claims, but are investigating.
source
I read this too and it made me very angry!
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| Posted 3/16/11 9:05 PM |
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Kmarie36
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Re: Massapequa Park Dad: "Police should not have killed my son." - thoughts? (w/poll)
Posted by MommyofG
sorry I think cops are trigger happy, if they werent maybe this poor cop wouldnt have been shoot in the face who has a gun facing the ground on his side shoot em in the leg or arm but the face?
Trigger happy??? What if an EDP patient (which was obviously the case here) came charging at your husband, father, friend etc??? It's very easy to say things unless you are actually in these type of situations.
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| Posted 3/16/11 9:24 PM |
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NS1976
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Re: Massapequa Park Dad: "Police should not have killed my son." - thoughts? (w/poll)
Posted by Kmarie36
Posted by MommyofG
sorry I think cops are trigger happy, if they werent maybe this poor cop wouldnt have been shoot in the face who has a gun facing the ground on his side shoot em in the leg or arm but the face?
Trigger happy??? What if an EDP patient (which was obviously the case here) came charging at your husband, father, friend etc??? It's very easy to say things unless you are actually in these type of situations.
Trigger happy? Wow. Just wow.
ITA with not knowing what you would do if in a situation like that. How many times do we hear of police officers killing someone? And trust me, it would be reported like WILD FIRE! It's easy to sit back and judge..until you're the one IN the situation.
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| Posted 3/17/11 12:56 AM |
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BeachGal
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Re: Massapequa Park Dad: "Police should not have killed my son." - thoughts? (w/poll)
This is hard. I feel really bad for his parents because it is not their fault that their son had certain interests. You can raise a kid right and somethings are beyond your control. I guess I am leaning towards the opinion that he should have been shot in the legs to disable him. He was just a young kid acting stupid so I guess I think he didnt deserve to be shot so many times. BUT, since I wasnt there if the police were in danger then I am sure they did the right thing. Very hard situation.
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IrishLasss334
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Re: Massapequa Park Dad: "Police should not have killed my son." - thoughts? (w/poll)
Posted by MommyofG
sorry I think cops are trigger happy, if they werent maybe this poor cop wouldnt have been shoot in the face who has a gun facing the ground on his side shoot em in the leg or arm but the face?
Trigger happy? Really, please do expound upon this, I am so intrigued.
I'm sure your vast experience in dealing with emotionally disturbed psychiatric individuals, drug addicts, crisis and emergency situations, psychological and weaponry training as led you to this expertise opinion that you are sharing with us.
Please tell me how you did at the gun range recently, under no duress, with a 9mm at 7 yards, 15 yards and 25 yards.
How did you do in the mock scenarios during your police training, did you get shot or killed? (My DH didn't, by the way  - his rookie team took out an entire trained ESU team in the academy).
Sorry, my Irish Diplomacy is getting away from me. For the love of God, it was an ACCIDENT, a tragic tragic ACCIDENT. There are all kinds of rumors and reports of what went on that night and why, truthfully there was so much chaos, if you asked 10 eyewitnesses there, there would probably be 10 opinions of what went on. Suppostions are being made on all the "reports". The REAL report will not be done until the investigation is finsihed.
Now ths poor cop who killed the NCPD cop will have to live with this for the rest of his life, DO NOT lay it at his feet that he was trigger happy. You were not there, how dare you judge.
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| Posted 3/17/11 9:04 AM |
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annoyedTTCer
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Re: Massapequa Park Dad: "Police should not have killed my son." - thoughts? (w/poll)
Posted by BeachGal
This is hard. I feel really bad for his parents because it is not their fault that their son had certain interests. You can raise a kid right and somethings are beyond your control. I guess I am leaning towards the opinion that he should have been shot in the legs to disable him. He was just a young kid acting stupid so I guess I think he didnt deserve to be shot so many times. BUT, since I wasnt there if the police were in danger then I am sure they did the right thing. Very hard situation.
When someone is running high on adrenaline or drugs shooting them in the leg is like trying to stop an elephant with a fly swatter.
If a cop or innocent bystander is at risk I say take the perp down any way you can.
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| Posted 3/17/11 9:34 AM |
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Ladybug63
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Re: Massapequa Park Dad: "Police should not have killed my son." - thoughts? (w/poll)
Posted by nycchic24
Posted by Kmarie36
Posted by MommyofG
sorry I think cops are trigger happy, if they werent maybe this poor cop wouldnt have been shoot in the face who has a gun facing the ground on his side shoot em in the leg or arm but the face?
Trigger happy??? What if an EDP patient (which was obviously the case here) came charging at your husband, father, friend etc??? It's very easy to say things unless you are actually in these type of situations.
Trigger happy? Wow. Just wow.
ITA with not knowing what you would do if in a situation like that. How many times do we hear of police officers killing someone? And trust me, it would be reported like WILD FIRE! It's easy to sit back and judge..until you're the one IN the situation.
I'm confused it I think you may have some things confused too.
1. The PO was not shot in the face.
2. PO's do not walk around with their guns drawn pointing at people. His weapon was securely on his person, hanging at his side. The MTA PO saw the weapon (after attention was called to it) and shot him... 1 time in the upper chest area.
Trigger Happy  It's called an accident.
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| Posted 3/17/11 10:25 AM |
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Ophelia
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Re: Massapequa Park Dad: "Police should not have killed my son." - thoughts? (w/poll)
this is just ridiculous.
out of the thousands of people that are arrested each year, how many of them are shot? how many of them even see the officer's weapon?
people are speaking of training???? a lack of training??? how is that even applicable here?
if any lack of training IS applicable, it is to the teachers and parents and medical professionals of this kid hours, days and YEARS before this tragedy occurred.
lord only knows that happened at the moment with the fallen officer. I shudder to think of what the officer who shot him is feeling right now.
but the officers that shot this young and troubled man...well I hope they are sleeping tight with zero guilt. b/c IF the facts remain as they seem to be..that they were charged at by an unstable person with some sick *** knives in his hands...it was a clean and justified shoot.
I just cannot understand what the public expects here...when do you think it's ok to shoot in this situation. what else should they have waited for? what would YOU have waited for. the knife to strike you?
they would have been irresponsible to leave the scene after the suspect entered his home knowing the type of weaponry he was holding and knowing what he was doing only moments before in the community.
what if he would have snuck out the window and killed some grandma? or stabbed someone walking their dog???
this is just so crazy to me.
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memi7206
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Re: Massapequa Park Dad: "Police should not have killed my son." - thoughts? (w/poll)
Posted by Ophelia
this is just ridiculous.
out of the thousands of people that are arrested each year, how many of them are shot? how many of them even see the officer's weapon?
people are speaking of training???? a lack of training??? how is that even applicable here?
if any lack of training IS applicable, it is to the teachers and parents and medical professionals of this kid hours, days and YEARS before this tragedy occurred.
lord only knows that happened at the moment with the fallen officer. I shudder to think of what the officer who shot him is feeling right now.
but the officers that shot this young and troubled man...well I hope they are sleeping tight with zero guilt. b/c IF the facts remain as they seem to be..that they were charged at by an unstable person with some sick *** knives in his hands...it was a clean and justified shoot.
I just cannot understand what the public expects here...when do you think it's ok to shoot in this situation. what else should they have waited for? what would YOU have waited for. the knife to strike you?
they would have been irresponsible to leave the scene after the suspect entered his home knowing the type of weaponry he was holding and knowing what he was doing only moments before in the community.
what if he would have snuck out the window and killed some grandma? or stabbed someone walking their dog???
this is just so crazy to me.
I agree. If you take the # of fatal shootings on suspects a year, and compare it to the total # of suspects taken down by officers across the country for a year, it is a DROP IN THE BUCKET. If nothing, the opposite happens, and those statistic show a GREAT AMOUNT OF TRAINING, discipline and self control.
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Re: Massapequa Park Dad: "Police should not have killed my son." - thoughts? (w/poll)
Posted by Ophelia
this is just ridiculous.
out of the thousands of people that are arrested each year, how many of them are shot? how many of them even see the officer's weapon?
people are speaking of training???? a lack of training??? how is that even applicable here?
if any lack of training IS applicable, it is to the teachers and parents and medical professionals of this kid hours, days and YEARS before this tragedy occurred.
lord only knows that happened at the moment with the fallen officer. I shudder to think of what the officer who shot him is feeling right now.
but the officers that shot this young and troubled man...well I hope they are sleeping tight with zero guilt. b/c IF the facts remain as they seem to be..that they were charged at by an unstable person with some sick *** knives in his hands...it was a clean and justified shoot.
I just cannot understand what the public expects here...when do you think it's ok to shoot in this situation. what else should they have waited for? what would YOU have waited for. the knife to strike you?
they would have been irresponsible to leave the scene after the suspect entered his home knowing the type of weaponry he was holding and knowing what he was doing only moments before in the community.
what if he would have snuck out the window and killed some grandma? or stabbed someone walking their dog???
this is just so crazy to me.
^^ I agree with every word ^^
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MrsA714
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Re: Massapequa Park Dad: "Police should not have killed my son." - thoughts? (w/poll)
Posted by memi7206
I agree. If you take the # of fatal shootings on suspects a year, and compare it to the # of suspects taken down by an officer across the country for a year, it is a DROP IN THE BUCKET. If nothing, the opposite happens, and those statistic show a GREAT AMOUNT OF TRAINING, discipline and self control.
Exactly. I think the problem is people only know what they see and hear on TV. If you take a look at the amount of arrests made EVERY SINGLE DAY and then look at the number or shootings involved it would paint a totally different picture. But of course, all you see in the news is these types of tragic cases so it gives the impression that every arrest ends with a shootout which couldn't be further from the truth.
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Re: Massapequa Park Dad: "Police should not have killed my son." - thoughts? (w/poll)
The fallen PO should have never of been shot. His funeral should NOT be exisiting right now!
The 21 yr old is a totally different story. I have faith that the police did what they felt needed to be done. I am happy that each one of those cops were able to walk into their homes and hold their families tight.
However officer Breitkopf didn't make it home that night and his family will never see him again.
I have no clue what went through the MTA cops head when he opened fire at Breitkopf. Lack of communication? Overhearing some random voice screaming he's got a gun? I'm jsut going by speculations. None of us know the truth.
I just have a heavy heart for that family right now.
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MommyCorinne
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Re: Massapequa Park Dad: "Police should not have killed my son." - thoughts? (w/poll)
I've heard a lot about this story on the news and I feel terrible for everyone involved. Mostly for the father of the 21 year old. My husband and his father have known him for years. I did hear the entire story of what happened and it seems very different than what it being reported. But in the end you have to feel for the father, imagine sitting on the couch watchin TV with your wife and seeing police burst in your home and shoot your son in the face all while screaming to not kill my son. The son most def did not seem in any way normal but no father deserves to ever have to go through this. The details between that I sorta dont want to say bc like i said, i heard way different than whta is reported.
As far as that poor officer being killed... I put total blame on the 2 people that shoudl not have even been on the scene in the first place. A retired cop who was on the scene barking orders behind police lines (as he was known to do) and an MTA cop who ALSO had no business being there. Officer B had his weapon hanging on his shoulder and WAS supposed to be there.
The whole situation is a mess and I feel terrible for all involved.. mostly both deceased parties famiilies.
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heathergirl
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Re: Massapequa Park Dad: "Police should not have killed my son." - thoughts? (w/poll)
Why are people on this thread taking things so personally and antagonizing and condescending to others? For the love of God, debating this is NOT GOING TO CHANGE ANYTHING and RESPECT others who have different opionions.
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