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Deedlebugs
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Re: Massapequa Park Dad: "Police should not have killed my son." - thoughts? (w/poll)
Posted by Retired-From-The-Job
Posted by smdl
Posted by Retired-From-The-Job
What transpired between that moment and the shot is under investigation.
Yeah..... got that part! I watch the news too.
Still a very stange situation when cops start shooting cops.
I'm glad you watch the news, good for you. I was clarifying in further detail for "Speakthetruth" and "Lipglossjunky73" who said they were still confused a bit.
she's French, she can't help it.
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Re: Massapequa Park Dad: "Police should not have killed my son." - thoughts? (w/poll)
Posted by cds58019
IMO I feel cops shouldn't be so quick to shoot. And if they need to, yes I do feel they should be trained to disable a person instead of killing them. I understand he came at them with a knife but why not lower your aim and give him a shot to the leg? I know it could just be a reaction to shoot but isn't this why cops go through training? Anybody can be given a gun and shoot someone else in order to stop them. Cops should be trained to disable a person first then proceed to deadly force if that doesn't work for some reason.
Just a sad situation for all sides. 
A person running on adrenaline or drugs will continue to charge at you even when shot in the leg.
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Re: Massapequa Park Dad: "Police should not have killed my son." - thoughts? (w/poll)
Posted by Deedlebugs
Posted by Retired-From-The-Job
Posted by smdl
Posted by Retired-From-The-Job
What transpired between that moment and the shot is under investigation.
Yeah..... got that part! I watch the news too.
Still a very stange situation when cops start shooting cops.
I'm glad you watch the news, good for you. I was clarifying in further detail for "Speakthetruth" and "Lipglossjunky73" who said they were still confused a bit.
she's French, she can't help it.
That's true! I also don't get the fake name to comment on the topic. Why not posting under your real name? It's not some type of undercover story with amazing scoops.
I said I had a lot of questions. I did not mean I needed the answers NOW but it is a really weird situation and very confusing the way the media presented the whole thing.
And since we are talking about whether it was "justified" to kill the person with the knives it does raise the questions on the situation when cops shoot and apparently they shot one of their own too. That's the most disturbing part of the story for me.
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Re: Massapequa Park Dad: "Police should not have killed my son." - thoughts? (w/poll)
The whole thing is a disaster. The cop shooting his own upsets me the most. I think everyone was nervous and unsure. We'll find out soon what happened. I really hope this poor man didn't get shot bc a retired cop said "he has a gun" that would be very sad and a lot of extra weight for that retired cop to carry.
My heart goes out to all the families and children who are suffering from this.
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Mommy2Boys
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Re: Massapequa Park Dad: "Police should not have killed my son." - thoughts? (w/poll)
Posted by Deedlebugs
Apparently there was a retired NCPD officer there during mop-up duty. He saw Officer B. walking up to the house with his gun and yelled "he has a gun..." resulting in the MTA cop drawing and shooting.
Recent reports say retired NYPD, not NCPD.
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Mommy2Boys
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Re: Massapequa Park Dad: "Police should not have killed my son." - thoughts? (w/poll)
Posted by stickydust
Admittedly, I have not followed this story but I am curious as to why this was not treated like any other standoff (or maybe it was?). DO they not usually try to "negotiate" with the suspect etc. first? It seems that at that moment - when he was barricaded in his room - in his own house - he was not a threat. He was clearly mentally ill so I am curious as to whether it could have been handled another way before confronting him.
I agree that once the cops were in there with him they had no choice but I am wondering about before that. Again, I do not know the details of this story so maybe it was attempted...
This is not Law & Order and CSI. They dont call in negotiators for every wack job on the street.
After harassing and threatening an older woman with a knife, the suspect went home and barricaded himself in his bedroom. When the cops arrives, he came out of his room, charging at the police officer with knives in hand. The two cops shot and killed him.
After that the situation is unclear. From what we know:
The two officers involved in the shooting, along with the MTA cop who arrived on the scene and other NCPD officers were standing on the front lawn of the suspects house. (Recent reports also put a retired NYPD sgt at the scene who lived in the area).
Officer B arrived approx. 8-13 minutes later in an unmarked police car in plain clothes (nothing to identify him as a police officer). Officer B got out of his unmarked police car with a shot gun pointed to the ground.
According to recent reports, it was the retired NYPD sgt who yelled "gun" or "he's got a gun."
The MTA officer shot Officer B. He was NOT shot in the face. He was shot in the side, right above his bullet proof vest.
What is unclear is what occured between the NYPD sgt yelling "gun" and the MTA cop firing his weapon. Did Officer B try to identify himself? Did the MTA cop ask him to identify himself? Did any of the cops on the scene recognize Officer B as a fellow police officer? My guess is the MTA cop did not.
As far as the MTA cop knew, or any other cop on the scene who did not recognize Officer B, he was a guy with a shot gun approaching a crime scene where someone was shot and killed. For all they knew he could have been a friend of the suspect looking for retaliation of his friends death or looking for revenge.
It is a horrible situation. Protocols are put in place to avoid these kind of accidents, however, the system just as anything else is not perfect.
My heart goes out to both Officer B's family and the MTA officer and his family. I cannot imagine the heart ache either side is feeling right now. I think it was an honest, unfortunate accident 
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Mommy2Boys
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Re: Massapequa Park Dad: "Police should not have killed my son." - thoughts? (w/poll)
Posted by cds58019
IMO I feel cops shouldn't be so quick to shoot. And if they need to, yes I do feel they should be trained to disable a person instead of killing them. I understand he came at them with a knife but why not lower your aim and give him a shot to the leg? I know it could just be a reaction to shoot but isn't this why cops go through training? Anybody can be given a gun and shoot someone else in order to stop them. Cops should be trained to disable a person first then proceed to deadly force if that doesn't work for some reason.
So if you were being held at knife point or some wack job was lunging at you with a knife and police were on the scene, rather than shooting the person trying to stab you and kill you, you would rather them fight to disable him or try to negotiate and talk to him (as others have suggested)????????  IMO, if someoen is holding me at knife point, if the cops have a clear shot, take it!
I dont know why I always respond to these posts on cops and how they should have done things differently and how they used excessive force  The ignorance is overwhelming. Especially because so many think it's like what they see on TV.
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Re: Massapequa Park Dad: "Police should not have killed my son." - thoughts? (w/poll)
Posted by Mommy2Boys
Posted by stickydust
Admittedly, I have not followed this story but I am curious as to why this was not treated like any other standoff (or maybe it was?). DO they not usually try to "negotiate" with the suspect etc. first? It seems that at that moment - when he was barricaded in his room - in his own house - he was not a threat. He was clearly mentally ill so I am curious as to whether it could have been handled another way before confronting him.
I agree that once the cops were in there with him they had no choice but I am wondering about before that. Again, I do not know the details of this story so maybe it was attempted...
This is not Law & Order and CSI. They dont call in negotiators for every wack job on the street.
I appreciate your response but the condescension expressed in the quoted text is wholly unnecessary. While I am not in law enforcement I am not completely ingnorant of the law. My view of the legal system was not shaped by Law & Order. I am a practicing attorney and clerked for a Federal Judge in NYC.
Perhaps, if our system was better at identifying these "wackjobs" from the beginning and call in trained experts (negotiators etc.) then we would not see as many lives lost (both civillian and law enforcement). Every tragic incident should be seen as a learning opportunity and a way to fiure out how to do things differently in the future.
ETA: Sorry, I had to come back to this because I find the above-referenced quote so insulting and probably because its late, I am tired and still working. It is NEVER ignorance to ask questions - it is only ignorance when we start to believe we know it all and no longer ask these questions.
For the record, I have always respected cops and continue to do so. I am, however, getting tired of this mentality that some have that police officers are infallible. The fact is they perform a very difficult job and risk their lives but they, like the rest of us, are human and will make mistakes, and sometimes have bad judgment and some may even commit crimes. As such, it is my belief that after EVERY tragedy we SHOULD ask questions. Not only to discover what really happened but also to find ways to prevent similar occurences from happening again. This benefits all parties. Please note I do not believe this should be limited to police officers but in all professions/jobs where such horrible things may happen so as to claim lives.
I find it shocking that there are those who accept everything at face value without being privvy to the circumstances and then slap the label of ignorance on those who would question the events.
I did not see anyone blaming the officers, for I am certain they did what they had to do, but rather having a healthy discussion as to our individual thoughts on the events which obviously will differ from person to person. The belief in only one point of view - that to me, is ignorance.
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sfp0701
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Re: Massapequa Park Dad: "Police should not have killed my son." - thoughts? (w/poll)
Posted by Michelle1123
Posted by CaMacho
Posted by sfp0701
Chemical imbalance and psychological problems have NOTHING to do with parental rearing. It is clear that this person had severe issues.
Yes, but if that was your kid living under your roof and had "severe issues" would you let him have all those knives and weapons in his room and post pictures them on FB? How could the parents sleep at night knowing what he had in his room. That's what I don't get.
THIS!
These parents were in serious denial after viewing this guy's FB page. If they can sit there and claim he was a great kid and never got him professional help for his obvious issues, then they are as much to blame.
I see your point. I really do. I think they have some fault. But, not all the fault. KWIM?
But, we don't know the whole story. He could have received lots of help in the past. He's 21 now. They can't force anything on him. And they may have let him stay rather than roam the streets. I disagree with the father calling him a baby boy. He is an adult living with them.
When I read the articles I got the impression that he went to an alternate high school. They never mentioned Massapequa high school.. and all the friends were identified as "someone who went to high school with him". As someone who works in an alternate high school, that's how I interpreted all of those remarks. I have a feeling he got a lot of help in the past and just reached a point where the parents couldn't do anymore. The people interviewed eluded to a long history of mental illness with him. I could totally be wrong.
I will also say that my brothers collected knives and swords and just really thought it was cool. They didn't and would never do anything with them. It's not so unusual to collect them. The problem here is that I am sure the parents knew he was unstable. But, I just don't think ANY parent could fathom that their child could carry out a crazy situation like that. They probably indulged him with the collecting unaware that something horrible would happen. kwim? Until you have walked a mile in the shoes of a family dealing with ED you never know. It's horrible. Just awful.
Again... I think the police were right in their actions. I am just taking issue with blaming this on the parents. At least to the level of blame that is going on in this thread.
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Kathy042806
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Re: Massapequa Park Dad: "Police should not have killed my son." - thoughts? (w/poll)
Officers are trained to shoot center mass. You're not trained to "shoot to kill", or to shoot any other place other than center mass. You shoot to stop the threat. I know, I am NYPD for 10 years and dh for 15 years. You don't shoot a leg or something. It's easy to monday morning quarterback, but unless you're in that position, you have no idea what goes through our minds
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Stacey1403
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Re: Massapequa Park Dad: "Police should not have killed my son." - thoughts? (w/poll)
Posted by NervousNell
My DH was called to a job last year with an emotionally disturberd person.
The guy somehow cornered him and was coming at him with a knife.
To the point where he told me he felt the wind off the blade as he swiped by his face. 
My DH had his gun drawn and was screaming at this guy to drop the knife.
As did my DH's partner.
Both of them had fingers on the trigger, and he said he was never so close to pulling it in his entire career.
And you can bet he wouldn't have thought- in that moment- when a perp had him in a corner and was trying to slice his throat- OH LET ME AIM FOR THE LEG.
Let me get a stun gun.
Please.
(Luckily the guy fled into a bedroom and locked himself in until ESU came to remove him)
If anyone questions it, you try having some come at you with a knife and see what you do to protect yourself.
You come at a cop with a knife, you get what you get.
One thing- cops are trained to use DEADLY FORCE.
Not disabling force.
Next time, dont' pull a knife on a cop.
Reading this has actually changed my mind. I had voted to use a stun gun or something else. But after reading this I have to admit I have no idea what it would feel like to have someone come at me with a deadly weapon.
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Michelle1123
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Re: Massapequa Park Dad: "Police should not have killed my son." - thoughts? (w/poll)
Posted by sfp0701
Posted by Michelle1123
Posted by CaMacho
Posted by sfp0701
Chemical imbalance and psychological problems have NOTHING to do with parental rearing. It is clear that this person had severe issues.
Yes, but if that was your kid living under your roof and had "severe issues" would you let him have all those knives and weapons in his room and post pictures them on FB? How could the parents sleep at night knowing what he had in his room. That's what I don't get.
THIS!
These parents were in serious denial after viewing this guy's FB page. If they can sit there and claim he was a great kid and never got him professional help for his obvious issues, then they are as much to blame.
I see your point. I really do. I think they have some fault. But, not all the fault. KWIM?
But, we don't know the whole story. He could have received lots of help in the past. He's 21 now. They can't force anything on him. And they may have let him stay rather than roam the streets. I disagree with the father calling him a baby boy. He is an adult living with them.
When I read the articles I got the impression that he went to an alternate high school. They never mentioned Massapequa high school.. and all the friends were identified as "someone who went to high school with him". As someone who works in an alternate high school, that's how I interpreted all of those remarks. I have a feeling he got a lot of help in the past and just reached a point where the parents couldn't do anymore. The people interviewed eluded to a long history of mental illness with him. I could totally be wrong.
I will also say that my brothers collected knives and swords and just really thought it was cool. They didn't and would never do anything with them. It's not so unusual to collect them. The problem here is that I am sure the parents knew he was unstable. But, I just don't think ANY parent could fathom that their child could carry out a crazy situation like that. They probably indulged him with the collecting unaware that something horrible would happen. kwim? Until you have walked a mile in the shoes of a family dealing with ED you never know. It's horrible. Just awful.
Again... I think the police were right in their actions. I am just taking issue with blaming this on the parents. At least to the level of blame that is going on in this thread.
Thats why I said "If"
I dont now if he was receiving help or not. But IF he was not for his obvious issues, I do feel they are partly to blame.
ETA: My brother also collects weird weapons. He has no mental issues, but I still used to ask my mom how she could let him keep that stuff in her house.
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LizD
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Re: Massapequa Park Dad: "Police should not have killed my son." - thoughts? (w/poll)
Posted by cds58019
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Posted by cds58019
IMO I feel cops shouldn't be so quick to shoot. And if they need to, yes I do feel they should be trained to disable a person instead of killing them. I understand he came at them with a knife but why not lower your aim and give him a shot to the leg? I know it could just be a reaction to shoot but isn't this why cops go through training? Anybody can be given a gun and shoot someone else in order to stop them. Cops should be trained to disable a person first then proceed to deadly force if that doesn't work for some reason.
Just a sad situation for all sides.
You make it sound like a small neat little package wrapped up in a bow. "train them to disable"???? Of course they are trained to disable.
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So if they are supposedly trained to disable why is it that you never hear of the suspect getting shot in the leg or something like that? They are almost always killed.
I am in NO WAY defending this man. He was obviously troubled and wasnt getting the help he needed. I just feel in general with situations like this, death is always the end result.
And not for nothing but why do cops get to use greater force then what is used against them? You know that if someone came at me with a knife and I shot them I would have the world telling me that I was not justified to use a gun against them because they were only using a knife.
you don't hear about it because it is not newsworthy. Do you honestly think cops shoot every suspect? Do you know how people are arrested every day without incident, even when knives and even guns are involved. They do not shoot every person with a knife of gun! Now tell me this, if they were to shoot someone in the leg, and hit an artery and the person bleeds out and dies, is that any better. Can you possibly imagine how hard it is for them to make the decision to shoot at all? If some deranged person was going after your family, your child, would you want the police to step back, try to shoot in the leg (smaller target) miss, and the perp gets the knife into your loved ones heart and they die. Cop says "oops I missed, sorry but I can not use deadly force." I bet in that case it would be ok then to shoot at the chest?
Let's not forget, most copes never even pull their weapon, let alone shoot someone in their entire careers.
By the way if someone came at you with a knife and you had a legal, registered gun, I would be fine with you shooting to kill, as I believe most others would be. I don't think the world would think it unjustified.
Proud daughter, sister, grandaughter and wife of NYPD officers
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Am I the only one who thinks what's even crazier is how a innocent cop on the scene was shot! How and WHY did this happen? I am disturbed over this.
I pray to god it's NOT bc some random R/C screamed he's got a gun! That would be unacceptable and ridiculous.
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I don't know the whole story and it's confusing for me, but my feelings are with all the options avail to police officers if you feel you need your gun to stop somebody then you have decided that you need to STOP that person. END OF STORY. This whole shoot to disarm, shoot to disable craap bothers me. You use a gun to STOP somebody when it's your last choice. We can all sit here and say what we would do and so on but the reality is WE WERE NOT THERE and in that NANO second a decision was made to protect and serve.
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Re: Massapequa Park Dad: "Police should not have killed my son." - thoughts? (w/poll)
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IrishLasss334
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Re: Massapequa Park Dad: "Police should not have killed my son." - thoughts? (w/poll)
Posted by stickydust
Perhaps, if our system was better at identifying these "wackjobs" from the beginning and call in trained experts (negotiators etc.) then we would not see as many lives lost (both civillian and law enforcement). Every tragic incident should be seen as a learning opportunity and a way to fiure out how to do things differently in the future.
I mean this with absolutely no disrespect or sarcasm, but what "our system" are you referring to that you think should be used in identifying EDP's?
Do you mean before, during or after an indicident is occurring?
And if it was my "ignorance" comments that offended you, I am sorry. Please understand my frustration comes from comments from posters who seem to be under the impression there is little if any training on how to deal with EDP's and these situations. Of course, tragic indicidents are used as a learning experience, if you think there is not additional training after incidents happen, you are incorrect. This is what I mean by "ignorance".
All I want to know is why anyone thinks there is no training? Because someone was killed?
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MrsKS
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Re: Massapequa Park Dad: "Police should not have killed my son." - thoughts? (w/poll)
ummm IDK how good of a boy he really was if he was lunging at police with a knife. sorry.. but those actions don't scream he's a good boy to me.
I can't say too much about what the police should have done, because I'm not a police officer and I wasn't in that position.
But considering he was lunging at the police with a knife... I wouldn't question the police response. Had the ***** worshiper just been standing there doing nothing and got shot like that... then that's another story.
And ETA: I don't see anywhere where it says how far away the guy was with the knife and how fast he was lunging. that could make HUGE differences on how the police needed to react in this situation.
IDK what a rubber bullet gun is. But for a stun gun you would have to be relatively close to the guy to use it on him... IDK that I think it would have been safe for a cop to be close enough to stun gun a guy lunging with a knife. Honestly... I think the cops safety comes first in this case.
And really if you get once chance to stop someone like this (lunging with a knife) you are going to take that once chance with a stun gun that could put you at risk? I would say no way here.
And by the looks of things... he didn't just have a steak knife here.. he had some serious deadly weapons on him. he could have thrown any one of them at a cop in a split second.
sorry... I guess the more I think about it, the more I believe the cops handled this appropriately. I voted the last option on the poll.
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Re: Massapequa Park Dad: "Police should not have killed my son." - thoughts? (w/poll)
I think people need to agree to disagree on this. We ALL agree that this is a tragedy, but some people see it as excessive and others see it is appropriate. I see so much condescension in this thread.
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Mommy2Boys
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Re: Massapequa Park Dad: "Police should not have killed my son." - thoughts? (w/poll)
Posted by imthekevinofcindyandkevin
i want to know why it took so long to get an ambulance there...
10:32: Seventh Precinct Officer (urgently): "Forthwith. MOS [member of the service]!"
10:35: Dispatcher: "[Seventh Precinct Officer] is advising MOS. Forthwith. Forthwith for an MOS."
11:05: "All ambulances responding go south on Fourth Avenue. For MOS forthwith."
11:14: BSO Officer: "MOS shot in the face." [Breitkopf actually had been shot in the torso.]
11:21: Anguished screaming and commotion can be heard
11:53: Dispatcher: "Ambulance come off Park. Respond off Park." ****
12:18: Ambulance: "Maybe 10 minutes. I'll try every way I can."
12:22: BSO Officer (agitated): "Make sure that they have cars lined up, ready to go to the . . . to the hospital!"
12:33: Dispatcher: " . . . Responding to [Nassau University Medical Center]. We'll get [inaudible] and the other units responding . . . "
12:46: BSO Officer (very agitated): "Headquarters: do you understand that?"
This can't be right. I can't imagine it taking an ambulance almost 2 hours to get to a scene where anyone was shot, let alone a cop.
Something about that timeline is incorrect.
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Re: Massapequa Park Dad: "Police should not have killed my son." - thoughts? (w/poll)
Posted by sfp0701
Posted by Michelle1123
Posted by CaMacho
Posted by sfp0701
Chemical imbalance and psychological problems have NOTHING to do with parental rearing. It is clear that this person had severe issues.
Yes, but if that was your kid living under your roof and had "severe issues" would you let him have all those knives and weapons in his room and post pictures them on FB? How could the parents sleep at night knowing what he had in his room. That's what I don't get.
THIS!
These parents were in serious denial after viewing this guy's FB page. If they can sit there and claim he was a great kid and never got him professional help for his obvious issues, then they are as much to blame.
I see your point. I really do. I think they have some fault. But, not all the fault. KWIM?
But, we don't know the whole story. He could have received lots of help in the past. He's 21 now. They can't force anything on him. And they may have let him stay rather than roam the streets. I disagree with the father calling him a baby boy. He is an adult living with them.
When I read the articles I got the impression that he went to an alternate high school. They never mentioned Massapequa high school.. and all the friends were identified as "someone who went to high school with him". As someone who works in an alternate high school, that's how I interpreted all of those remarks. I have a feeling he got a lot of help in the past and just reached a point where the parents couldn't do anymore. The people interviewed eluded to a long history of mental illness with him. I could totally be wrong.
I will also say that my brothers collected knives and swords and just really thought it was cool. They didn't and would never do anything with them. It's not so unusual to collect them. The problem here is that I am sure the parents knew he was unstable. But, I just don't think ANY parent could fathom that their child could carry out a crazy situation like that. They probably indulged him with the collecting unaware that something horrible would happen. kwim? Until you have walked a mile in the shoes of a family dealing with ED you never know. It's horrible. Just awful.
Again... I think the police were right in their actions. I am just taking issue with blaming this on the parents. At least to the level of blame that is going on in this thread.
I think to a certain extent the parents are to blame. Not knowing the situation, it appears as though he hasn't had much help. The father's quotes make him seem like he's in complete denial and he totally accepts the mental instability of his son and allows these insane weapons in his home. He never makes a single mention of what this guy is really like. He paints a portrait of his son that is nothing at all like what the son portrays of himself. You would think they were two totally different people. If the people eluded to him having issues... the parents still didn't. So it was clearly apparent that he had these issues and it looks like they were relatively ignored by his father. That's where I would place blame with the father/parents.
And being the father or mother of this kid... let's say I did see an issue and tried to get help... just because I felt I reached a point where I felt I couldn't do anymore... that doesn't mean i would allow my mentally unstable son to live under my roof with these types of weapons. It wouldn't mean OK well I just give up.. do whatever you wish and it's OK by me.
Sure, its fine for someone to be a weapon collector. However, that person should fall within normal guidelines of mental stability. If I am able to see and read the nutty things on this guys page about rape and satann and cutting people to let them bleed, then his parents were able to as well. Then you pile on the fact that he runs amok around his neighborhood wearing halloween masks with weapons... it just wouldn't sit comfortably with me to allow him in my home with these weapons. I know being the parent of someone in this capacity must be incredibly difficult to handle but it just really seems like the father is totally out of touch and in denial to me. And that's where I place fault with the father.
And furthermore I think the woman in the car was 100% in the right to call the police. Even a 12 year old described him as having murder in his eyes. We are talking about someone who was tapping on a woman's car window with huge knives. And this wasn't the case of a "normal" guy that just snapped. He most definitely had these tendencies for what seems like a very long time. And it also appears as though they were for the most part ignored or looked past by his parents.
Again, I have no idea if he was in therapy... but judging from the statements and comments out there... esp those of his father... it seems as though he wasn't getting help and he was free to do as he wished.
I do admit this must have been an incredibly difficult road for his parents. But I definitely believe the way the story looks right now shows that the parents are to blame for a portion of it. And if the parents were encouraging him to collect these weapons.. that just makes them even more to blame.
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| Posted 3/16/11 6:03 PM |
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Re: Massapequa Park Dad: "Police should not have killed my son." - thoughts? (w/poll)
Posted by Mommy2Boys
Posted by imthekevinofcindyandkevin
i want to know why it took so long to get an ambulance there...
10:32: Seventh Precinct Officer (urgently): "Forthwith. MOS [member of the service]!"
10:35: Dispatcher: "[Seventh Precinct Officer] is advising MOS. Forthwith. Forthwith for an MOS."
11:05: "All ambulances responding go south on Fourth Avenue. For MOS forthwith."
11:14: BSO Officer: "MOS shot in the face." [Breitkopf actually had been shot in the torso.]
11:21: Anguished screaming and commotion can be heard
11:53: Dispatcher: "Ambulance come off Park. Respond off Park." ****
12:18: Ambulance: "Maybe 10 minutes. I'll try every way I can."
12:22: BSO Officer (agitated): "Make sure that they have cars lined up, ready to go to the . . . to the hospital!"
12:33: Dispatcher: " . . . Responding to [Nassau University Medical Center]. We'll get [inaudible] and the other units responding . . . "
12:46: BSO Officer (very agitated): "Headquarters: do you understand that?"
This can't be right. I can't imagine it taking an ambulance almost 2 hours to get to a scene where anyone was shot, let alone a cop.
Something about that timeline is incorrect.
I live a couple blocks up from where this happend and I was turning onto my block to go home about 10PM and everything was clear, no sign of cops or ambulances, so I am not sure about the timeline either, unless everything was on 4th Ave and I didn't see, but nothing out of the ordinary was on Front St at 10pm...
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| Posted 3/16/11 6:12 PM |
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Re: Massapequa Park Dad: "Police should not have killed my son." - thoughts? (w/poll)
Posted by PennyJ923
Posted by Mommy2Boys
Posted by imthekevinofcindyandkevin
i want to know why it took so long to get an ambulance there...
10:32: Seventh Precinct Officer (urgently): "Forthwith. MOS [member of the service]!"
10:35: Dispatcher: "[Seventh Precinct Officer] is advising MOS. Forthwith. Forthwith for an MOS."
11:05: "All ambulances responding go south on Fourth Avenue. For MOS forthwith."
11:14: BSO Officer: "MOS shot in the face." [Breitkopf actually had been shot in the torso.]
11:21: Anguished screaming and commotion can be heard
11:53: Dispatcher: "Ambulance come off Park. Respond off Park." ****
12:18: Ambulance: "Maybe 10 minutes. I'll try every way I can."
12:22: BSO Officer (agitated): "Make sure that they have cars lined up, ready to go to the . . . to the hospital!"
12:33: Dispatcher: " . . . Responding to [Nassau University Medical Center]. We'll get [inaudible] and the other units responding . . . "
12:46: BSO Officer (very agitated): "Headquarters: do you understand that?"
This can't be right. I can't imagine it taking an ambulance almost 2 hours to get to a scene where anyone was shot, let alone a cop.
Something about that timeline is incorrect.
I live a couple blocks up from where this happend and I was turning onto my block to go home about 10PM and everything was clear, no sign of cops or ambulances, so I am not sure about the timeline either, unless everything was on 4th Ave and I didn't see, but nothing out of the ordinary was on Front St at 10pm...
Yeh and looking back the timeline above is off. The cop was shot closer to 8:30. Someone posted on this board at 8:47 about a cop shot and my DH heard about it around the same time. The timeline above makes it look like it didnt occur until 2 hours later.
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| Posted 3/16/11 6:20 PM |
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Re: Massapequa Park Dad: "Police should not have killed my son." - thoughts? (w/poll)
Posted by Mommy2Boys
Posted by imthekevinofcindyandkevin
i want to know why it took so long to get an ambulance there...
10:32: Seventh Precinct Officer (urgently): "Forthwith. MOS [member of the service]!"
10:35: Dispatcher: "[Seventh Precinct Officer] is advising MOS. Forthwith. Forthwith for an MOS."
11:05: "All ambulances responding go south on Fourth Avenue. For MOS forthwith."
11:14: BSO Officer: "MOS shot in the face." [Breitkopf actually had been shot in the torso.]
11:21: Anguished screaming and commotion can be heard
11:53: Dispatcher: "Ambulance come off Park. Respond off Park." ****
12:18: Ambulance: "Maybe 10 minutes. I'll try every way I can."
12:22: BSO Officer (agitated): "Make sure that they have cars lined up, ready to go to the . . . to the hospital!"
12:33: Dispatcher: " . . . Responding to [Nassau University Medical Center]. We'll get [inaudible] and the other units responding . . . "
12:46: BSO Officer (very agitated): "Headquarters: do you understand that?"
This can't be right. I can't imagine it taking an ambulance almost 2 hours to get to a scene where anyone was shot, let alone a cop.
Something about that timeline is incorrect.
I think the timeline (00:00) is minutes and seconds. I think the the total timeline is almost 13 minutes. I believe the poster said that 00:00 was the start of the incident. I think it has no reflection of the actual time.
Message edited 3/16/2011 6:26:40 PM.
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