My person analogy of the gun ban

I have kept this in mainly because I know I am the minority on this board with my views but lately I cringe when I come on LIF and especially the FHF board and I hate that.

I still cannot think about Sandy Hook for more than a couple of minutes before my throat constricts and tears prick my eyes and I knew no one personally who was affected.

If someone could promise me that if guns of all types were banned, another tragedy like this would never happen again or even 1 accidental shooting, by all means I would change my tune. No one can make that claim, it would be crazy to believe that.

Anyway, the analogy I think is 100% fitting is this:

A drunk driver takes his father's Corvette and drives it 140 mph into a school bus of children and everyone dies. I feel as though an uproar would begin to ban cars that can go that fast instead of focusing on the drunk driving aspect.

Crazy people will always find a way... terrifying fact but true.



Flame away, but I needed to spill my guts.

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It's funny, because I feel that I'M in the minority thinking there should be much stronger gun control.

Not here to argue opinions at all, just think its funny that we both have opposite views, yet feel we are in the minority.

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Posted by MrsDiamondgrlie

I have kept this in mainly because I know I am the minority on this board with my views but lately I cringe when I come on LIF and especially the FHF board and I hate that.

I still cannot think about Sandy Hook for more than a couple of minutes before my throat constricts and tears prick my eyes and I knew no one personally who was affected.

If someone could promise me that if guns of all types were banned, another tragedy like this would never happen again or even 1 accidental shooting, by all means I would change my tune. No one can make that claim, it would be crazy to believe that.

Anyway, the analogy I think is 100% fitting is this:

A drunk driver takes his father's Corvette and drives it 140 mph into a school bus of children and everyone dies. I feel as though an uproar would begin to ban cars that can go that fast instead of focusing on the drunk driving aspect.

Crazy people will always find a way... terrifying fact but true.



Flame away, but I needed to spill my guts.

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I agree that crazy people will always find a way.

But why make it easier for them? An automatic weapon stacks the deck in favor of the shooter. Look at what those bullets did to those children- one child's entire jaw was gone.

You can't compare guns and cars either. Transportation is the purpose of a car. Killing is the purpose of an assault rifle.

I still fail to see the logic behind continuing to let regular people have unfettered access to high-powered guns and ammunition.

A few terrorists fly planes into buildings and make shoe bombs, and look at what we're willing to go through in order to fly safely, something many of us probably don't do that often. And yet, people shoot up malls, movie theaters, and schools, and people begin screaming about their 2nd amendment rights without thinking about the fact that lots of people don't feel safe anywhere, any more.

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I agree with you and don't get involved in many threads about this as well because I realize I am in the minority and have no need to debate. I will not try to make others see things my way. I am well aware that people are passionate about this and rightfully so.

To each their own, but imo the recent laws passed in NY have done nothing but take weapons out of the hands of the law abiding citizens. These laws WILL NOT affect criminals or the mentally ill. I hear lots of people SAYING we need to look at health care but is anything actually being done? I certainly hope so. Seeing Obama with those children the other day made me cringe a bit and gave people a false sense of security. I do not feel that what the government has done will protect our children in any way. It has just made many law abiding citizens feel as though their rights are being taken away.

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So let's take the OPs analogy & say the son that borrowed the corvette wasn't drunk or high. Just mentally ill & out to prove a point causing him to drive 140 MPH crashing into a bus filled with 5 year olds.

Why do we sell cars that are as dangerous as an assualt rifle when our speed limit is 70MPH at the most? Cars are legal but going double the speed limit isn't anywhere in this country and its a fact that more people die in car "accidents" every year than by being shot with an assault rifle.

As an avid firearm collector & marksman I am 100% in favor of limiting magazine size and limiting bulk ammo purchasing ability, I'm also in favor of background checks for all firearm purchases. I also think firearm safety lessons should be required, my DH teaches them in fact.

My concern is the sandy hook tragedy is opening the door for reasonable changes that will evolve into major changes in our ability as American citizens to bear arms.

For the record since its seems most LIFers don't own firearms, let me inform you it is nearly IMPOSSIBLE to purchase the ammo used in the most popular assualt rifles in the US right now. Some local stores have waiting lists of two months or more. Online sellers aren't even taking preorders anymore.
It bears mentioning the department of homeland security has purchased what can be considered a seven year supply of 223 ammo in the last 12 months.
Not the department of defense, homeland security.
This has put a crunch on the supply. After Sandy hook people started stock pilling and now the well has run dry.

Call me a nut job, call me whatever you want but it is my right (and yours) to be able to protect my family. the thought of my government moving in the direction to strip me of that right based on a handful of mentally ill lunatics has me very concerned.

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I'm ok with banning high performance cars going in excess speeds unless they are on a closed course. I'm also ok with having assault rifles banned unless they are in a locked down shooting range.

Let's take away the deranged, the drunk driver & even the person driving who makes a fatal mistake. I really can't equate a car which has the practical every day use vs a gun someone should own on the chance they want to shoot someone for any reason from breaking & entering to being the guy that's breaking & entering.

As I said before I'm for responsible gun ownership. I'm for background checks on those purchasing guns. I'm for a wait period. I'm for a mental evaluation for those looking to purchase ANY gun.

I know people who have a gun & toddlers that have slept with the gun under their pillow (a cop). I know a guy that pulled a shotgun out on his roommate when they were fighting. I know someone who is mentally ill that has a shotgun. I know my friend's brother who was killed by an elderly guy that he fired.

There needs to be procedures in place & YEARLY renewals & tests to determine if someone should continue to own a gun, IMO.

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I do understand what you mean about being the minority...when it comes to some issues, abortion for example, I tend to shy away from threads because I am definitely the minority.

Anyway, I don't really understand the analogies that I've seen many people make. By eliminating certain types of guns, we can eliminate at least SOME tragedies. Just because some will still happen, the numbers would very likely be lower. I don't know what cars and drunk driving accidents have to do with that. On the surface, yes, I think it's a clever comparison, but, ultimately, the analogy fails to show how stricter gun laws would have no chance at eliminating problems.

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Posted by MandJZ

Posted by MrsDiamondgrlie

I have kept this in mainly because I know I am the minority on this board with my views but lately I cringe when I come on LIF and especially the FHF board and I hate that.

I still cannot think about Sandy Hook for more than a couple of minutes before my throat constricts and tears prick my eyes and I knew no one personally who was affected.

If someone could promise me that if guns of all types were banned, another tragedy like this would never happen again or even 1 accidental shooting, by all means I would change my tune. No one can make that claim, it would be crazy to believe that.

Anyway, the analogy I think is 100% fitting is this:

A drunk driver takes his father's Corvette and drives it 140 mph into a school bus of children and everyone dies. I feel as though an uproar would begin to ban cars that can go that fast instead of focusing on the drunk driving aspect.

Crazy people will always find a way... terrifying fact but true.



Flame away, but I needed to spill my guts.

But....drunk driving is illegal. So - we ARE addressing the drunk driving aspect. Some of the military-level assault weapons used in Sandy Hook are NOT illegal. If they already WERE illegal I could understand your analogy much more.

And personally, I hear just as much about mental health and the 'person' aspect as I do about guns. Both are equally important, one is not more so than the other.

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Posted by Xelindrya

Posted by MandJZ

Posted by MrsDiamondgrlie

I have kept this in mainly because I know I am the minority on this board with my views but lately I cringe when I come on LIF and especially the FHF board and I hate that.

I still cannot think about Sandy Hook for more than a couple of minutes before my throat constricts and tears prick my eyes and I knew no one personally who was affected.

If someone could promise me that if guns of all types were banned, another tragedy like this would never happen again or even 1 accidental shooting, by all means I would change my tune. No one can make that claim, it would be crazy to believe that.

Anyway, the analogy I think is 100% fitting is this:

A drunk driver takes his father's Corvette and drives it 140 mph into a school bus of children and everyone dies. I feel as though an uproar would begin to ban cars that can go that fast instead of focusing on the drunk driving aspect.

Crazy people will always find a way... terrifying fact but true.



Flame away, but I needed to spill my guts.

But....drunk driving is illegal. So - we ARE addressing the drunk driving aspect. Some of the military-level assault weapons used in Sandy Hook are NOT illegal. If they already WERE illegal I could understand your analogy much more.

And personally, I hear just as much about mental health and the 'person' aspect as I do about guns. Both are equally important, one is not more so than the other.

Right but legal cars are still driven by ILLEGAL drunk drivers. The laws have not stopped it. The point is laws mean nothing to criminals at all. It affects only those who obey the law.

All matches are made to burn. Their only purpose is create fire but not all matches burn homes, or light up a cigarette which can kill you.

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Cars are an interesting comparison. In order to drive a car you have to:
-take a written test
-take a road test
-buy insurance
-get your car registered
-get it inspected every year to make sure it is safe on the road

Nobody argues with these "limits" on driving. If we had comprable "limits" on guns (closing the gun show loophole along with other measures that mst reasonable people agree with), we would all be better off, in my opinion.

In terms of the effectiveness of drunk driving laws:
In the United States, the number of drunk driving deaths has been cut in half since MADD was founded in 1980 and laws became tougher.

National Highway Traffic Safety Administration FARS data, 2011.

Sadly, nothing will completely eliminate senseless violence. But we can and should take steps to lessen it, and it seems to me that some gun control is a reasonable way to go.

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At first when I read this analogy I thought it was going to say that although drunk driving kills many more people each year, nobody ever suggests banning alcohol. I am wondering why. Does anyone think that banning the sale of alcohol will eliminate all the deaths that result from drunk driving? What other purpose does it have other than intoxication?

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The ban mean nothing to criminals at all. It affects only those who obey the law. I am also on the other side of this ban, its my bussiness. I do not sell guns but my DH is a armor and works at gun shows on the weekends and has been for years..There is so much $hit begin said that goes on at gun shows which false(after 9 years in the bussiness and over 30 weekends a year doing this I see first hand what goes on at gun shows.. I have childern and it breaks my heart everytime i think or hear about Sandy Hook, I have friends that live in that area. If a criminal wants a gun they are going to buy it out of the trunk of someones car not a place or a gun show, they would never pass the background check..Do we need high cap mags for home or self defence No, it you cant shoot a intruder with 10 rounds then maybe you shouldnt own a gun.. then there is the other side what if 3 people broke into your house would 7 -10 rounds be enough? Reloading and putting in a new mag wastes time that you may not have..
Flame away if you must....

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