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BriBri2u
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My person analogy of the gun ban
I just don't get it or maybe I just don't care to get it. I just don't get why someone feels the need to own so many guns, much less ones that were made for the sole purpose of killing.
After reading Veronique Pozner's statement about what an assault rifle did to her little baby I just can't fathom what people are arguing about!!!
Then again, I am not a gun person and don't see the need for them. Toome shooting is not much of a sport, but I digress.
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Re: My person analogy of the gun ban
Posted by KellyFG
So let's take the OPs analogy & say the son that borrowed the corvette wasn't drunk or high. Just mentally ill & out to prove a point causing him to drive 140 MPH crashing into a bus filled with 5 year olds.
Why do we sell cars that are as dangerous as an assualt rifle when our speed limit is 70MPH at the most? Cars are legal but going double the speed limit isn't anywhere in this country and its a fact that more people die in car "accidents" every year than by being shot with an assault rifle.
As an avid firearm collector & marksman I am 100% in favor of limiting magazine size and limiting bulk ammo purchasing ability, I'm also in favor of background checks for all firearm purchases. I also think firearm safety lessons should be required, my DH teaches them in fact.
My concern is the sandy hook tragedy is opening the door for reasonable changes that will evolve into major changes in our ability as American citizens to bear arms.
For the record since its seems most LIFers don't own firearms, let me inform you it is nearly IMPOSSIBLE to purchase the ammo used in the most popular assualt rifles in the US right now. Some local stores have waiting lists of two months or more. Online sellers aren't even taking preorders anymore.
It bears mentioning the department of homeland security has purchased what can be considered a seven year supply of 223 ammo in the last 12 months.
Not the department of defense, homeland security. 
This has put a crunch on the supply. After Sandy hook people started stock pilling and now the well has run dry.
Call me a nut job, call me whatever you want but it is my right (and yours) to be able to protect my family. the thought of my government moving in the direction to strip me of that right based on a handful of mentally ill lunatics has me very concerned.
ITA. What worries me most is that some restrictions will eventually lead to a ban on guns, which is a violation on our Constitutional rights. You take away one Constitutional right, who is to say that they won't take away more... This makes me very nervous...
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ElizaRags35
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Re: My person analogy of the gun ban
Posted by luckyinlove
You take away one Constitutional right, who is to say that they won't take away more...
Like the Patriot Act? That violates some constitutional amendments, doesn't it? I'm sure some of the same people crying out about protecting 2nd amendment rights didn't say a damn thing about the Patriot Act and the 4th Amendment.
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Jbon630
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Re: My person analogy of the gun ban
Is anyone who is so concerned about the government infringing on their right to have a gun equally concerned about the direction the government is going to infringe on your rights to make decisions about your body, and who you can marry? Just curious
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BunnyWife
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Re: My person analogy of the gun ban
Posted by 2BadSoSad
Posted by Jbon630
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Posted by MrsProfessor
Prohibition was a huge failure, too.
Exactly! Try to outright BAN something and people revolt, regulate it instead and it helps.
So we should then apply this rule to heroin, meth, etc?
Let's be reasonable here.
Yes. I think drugs should be made legal, safe and then taxed the hell out of. If you want to slowly kill yourself thats your problem. And just how prohibition was a huge failure this "war on drugs" is as well.
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| Posted 1/21/13 1:54 PM |
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BunnyWife
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Re: My person analogy of the gun ban
Posted by Jbon630
Is anyone who is so concerned about the government infringing on their right to have a gun equally concerned about the direction the government is going to infringe on your rights to make decisions about your body, and who you can marry? Just curious
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| Posted 1/21/13 1:55 PM |
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2BadSoSad
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Re: My person analogy of the gun ban
Posted by ElizaRags35
Posted by luckyinlove
You take away one Constitutional right, who is to say that they won't take away more...
Like the Patriot Act? That violates some constitutional amendments, doesn't it? I'm sure some of the same people crying out about protecting 2nd amendment rights didn't say a damn thing about the Patriot Act and the 4th Amendment.
NO ONE IS TAKING AWAY YOUR CONSITUTIONAL RIGHTS!!!!!! The want to REGULATE it, not completely erradicate the 2nd amendment, JESUS H CHRIST!
(not at you Eliza)
For the record - it used be a Constitutional right to own slaves - SOMETIMES IT REQUIRES AMENDING.
The Constitution is a LIVING DOCUMENT, it is was SPECIFICALLY written with the foresight to change it as our times/needs changed.
Message edited 1/21/2013 2:22:05 PM.
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DumpsterBaby
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Re: My person analogy of the gun ban
Posted by BunnyWife
Posted by Jbon630
Is anyone who is so concerned about the government infringing on their right to have a gun equally concerned about the direction the government is going to infringe on your rights to make decisions about your body, and who you can marry? Just curious
I remember people specifically saying that it wasn't an issue for them because "it would never happen."
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Re: My person analogy of the gun ban
Posted by ElizaRags35
Posted by luckyinlove
You take away one Constitutional right, who is to say that they won't take away more...
Like the Patriot Act? That violates some constitutional amendments, doesn't it? I'm sure some of the same people crying out about protecting 2nd amendment rights didn't say a damn thing about the Patriot Act and the 4th Amendment.
Please do not make broad assumptions about people like me that are not 100% in favor of extreme firearm restrictions.
The Patriot Act is not something I am in favor of actually, in fact I think its
bullsh!t that is has been used to violate citizen's privacy in many cases.
I'm REALLY tired of the accusations that "the same people that want to keep their guns" are protesting against abortion with pictures of dead babies and assuming I'm a right wing nut job because I don't agree with the current state of affairs regarding gun ownership.
I am NOT into the sheeple mentality that has overtaken this country. I have some "liberal" views like my stance on the environment, marriage for ALL people and a woman's right to choose and I have somewhat "conservative" views when it comes to things like medicaid and gun control.
I'm an american, I don't bow to ANY parties self seving belief system.
I have our consitution and my OWN values to live up to.
ETS-its bullsh!t that LIF doesn't let us say bullsh!t
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ElizaRags35
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Re: My person analogy of the gun ban
Posted by KellyFG
Posted by ElizaRags35
Posted by luckyinlove
You take away one Constitutional right, who is to say that they won't take away more...
Like the Patriot Act? That violates some constitutional amendments, doesn't it? I'm sure some of the same people crying out about protecting 2nd amendment rights didn't say a damn thing about the Patriot Act and the 4th Amendment.
Please do not make broad assumptions about people like me that are not 100% in favor of extreme firearm restrictions.
The Patriot Act is not something I am in favor of actually, in fact I think its
bullsh!t that is has been used to violate citizen's privacy in many cases.
I'm REALLY tired of the accusations that "the same people that want to keep their guns" are protesting against abortion with pictures of dead babies and assuming I'm a right wing nut job because I don't agree with the current state of affairs regarding gun ownership.
I am NOT into the sheeple mentality that has overtaken this country. I have some "liberal" views like my stance on the environment, marriage for ALL people and a woman's right to choose and I have somewhat "conservative" views when it comes to things like medicaid and gun control.
I'm an american, I don't bow to ANY parties self seving belief system.
I have our consitution and my OWN values to live up to.
ETS-its bullsh!t that LIF doesn't let us say bullsh!t
Could have sworn I used the phrase "some of the same people..." It's just an observation I've made not exclusive to LIF but FB and elsewhere as well.
And I just write bull shit. 
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sunnyplus3
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Re: My person analogy of the gun ban
Posted by faerychel
You're right, we should ban LV bags because the crack dealers are taking out full city blocks with them. 
Nope, you don't have the right.
I want a tank, I don't care if they're dangerous, I want one. I also want to be able to juggle grenades. And hell, a slave or two would be a regular hoot! Sound ludicrous? It is, just like the "But I waaaaannnnnt one!" mentality of why assault riffles can't be banned.
This is the problem, at the MOMENT and for a couple of hundred years WE DO HAVE THE RIGHT TO OWN WEAPONS OF ALL KINDS. Its the "CHANGE" that has people upset.
The things you listed are not/have not been legal for generations!!!
And for the record, if I got a $20 tax deduction for every loser that carried an LV bag on their arm and then let their house go into foreclosure or get goverment funded modification or declared bankruptcy I'd be a much happier american than I am today!!!!
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MandJZ
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Re: My person analogy of the gun ban
Posted by KellyFG
Posted by faerychel
You're right, we should ban LV bags because the crack dealers are taking out full city blocks with them.
Nope, you don't have the right.
I want a tank, I don't care if they're dangerous, I want one. I also want to be able to juggle grenades. And hell, a slave or two would be a regular hoot! Sound ludicrous? It is, just like the "But I waaaaannnnnt one!" mentality of why assault riffles can't be banned.
This is the problem, at the MOMENT and for a couple of hundred years WE DO HAVE THE RIGHT TO OWN WEAPONS OF ALL KINDS. Its the "CHANGE" that has people upset.
The things you listed are not/have not been legal for generations!!!
And for the record, if I got a $20 tax deduction for every loser that carried an LV bag on their arm and then let their house go into foreclosure or get goverment funded modification or declared bankruptcy I'd be a much happier american than I am today!!!!
Where is it enumerated that we can own weapons of all kinds? The 2nd Amendment VERY clearly provides the right to a WELL-REGULATED militia. Nowhere does it say AS MANY and ANY guns as one would like.
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| Posted 1/21/13 4:51 PM |
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Re: My person analogy of the gun ban
Posted by MandJZ
Where is it enumerated that we can own weapons of all kinds? The 2nd Amendment VERY clearly provides the right to a WELL-REGULATED militia. Nowhere does it say AS MANY and ANY guns as one would like.
Understanding why a militia would need to form and having an understanding that the "bad guys" are usually better armed would sort of mean trying to defend yourself with a nerf gun against a 50 caliber machine gun wouldn't work.
It stands to reason that this is what they meant when they said the people's right to bear arms shall not be infringed. The regulation part means we're not allowed to try to raise up a militia against our own government.
Currently, unless you have an unlicensed "armory" it is legal to possess many firearms. I know people that do have gunsmithing permits to keep hundreds of firearms in their homes. All of the firearm/gunsmiths collectors I know (probably hundreds as acquaintances) all follow the rules and are extremely responsible unlike the handful of evil lunatics that have tried to undermine our society.
Other than not being able to possess a shotgun with a barrel less than 18 inches and full auto it does not specifically say anything about types of weapons.
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MandJZ
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Re: My person analogy of the gun ban
Posted by KellyFG
Posted by MandJZ
Where is it enumerated that we can own weapons of all kinds? The 2nd Amendment VERY clearly provides the right to a WELL-REGULATED militia. Nowhere does it say AS MANY and ANY guns as one would like.
Understanding why a militia would need to form and having an understanding that the "bad guys" are usually better armed would sort of mean trying to defend yourself with a nerf gun against a 50 caliber machine gun wouldn't work.
It stands to reason that this is what they meant when they said the people's right to bear arms shall not be infringed. The regulation part means we're not allowed to try to raise up a militia against our own government.
So, you're saying 'it stands to reason' which means it is open to interpretation. And my understanding was that the point of a militia would be to protect against our enemies if they try to take us over (which is what an army and/or police force does now). Just as you are certain of your interpretation of what was meant by those who drafted the constitution, I am certain that they did not and could not foresee, nor did they INTEND, for any individual to have an arsenal at their finger tips.
But this just further proves my point. If the 2nd Amendment is SO open to interpretation and what 'stands to reason', then who's to say one interpretation is better than another?
Again, nobody right now is taking away anyone's rights. They are being regulated and controlled with common sense laws aimed at gradually and hopefully reducing destruction. Which is the point of laws.
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Re: My person analogy of the gun ban
Posted by MandJZ
So, you're saying 'it stands to reason' which means it is open to interpretation. And my understanding was that the point of a militia would be to protect against our enemies if they try to take us over (which is what an army and/or police force does now). Just as you are certain of your interpretation of what was meant by those who drafted the constitution, I am certain that they did not and could not foresee, nor did they INTEND, for any individual to have an arsenal at their finger tips.
But this just further proves my point. If the 2nd Amendment is SO open to interpretation and what 'stands to reason', then who's to say one interpretation is better than another?
Again, nobody right now is taking away anyone's rights. They are being regulated and controlled with common sense laws aimed at gradually and hopefully reducing destruction. Which is the point of laws.
Firstly, I know you have a point to "prove" on this topic, I do not. I have an opinion, which I hope as an American I will continue to be allowed to have.
Secondly, I never said my interpretation is better than yours. I explained why it makes sense to me.
Thirdly, "right now" it's just being regulated and controlled which as noted here I COMPLETELY agree with. The underlying motives and long-term agenda of the current administration and gun control supporters have caused me to be uncertain and concerned about the future. Last time I checked I’m entitled to be concerned about anything I see fit. For the record, being born an American and having lived in this country 42 years, I'm fully aware of the point our laws as I’ve been abiding by them my entire life.
Let’s agree to disagree, but please do not try to prove my opinions wrong.
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Re: My person analogy of the gun ban
Posted by Jbon630
Is anyone who is so concerned about the government infringing on their right to have a gun equally concerned about the direction the government is going to infringe on your rights to make decisions about your body, and who you can marry? Just curious
Absolutely! I do not want the government telling me what guns I can or cannot own. I do not want the government telling me what I can or cannot do with my body. I do not want the government telling me who I can and cannot marry.
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METLove2008
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Re: My person analogy of the gun ban
My problem with this new ban is that there is no difference between almost all long barrel hunting rifles and what the law is now defining as an assault rifle. The picture below demonstrates what I mean. Just because you change the color or the way it looks, does not mean it is any more or less dangerous then a hunting rifle. They are mechanically the exact same gun. The only difference is vanity. NY already had an assault rifle ban in place. The newer ban simply changes the definition of assault weapon. Now it includes a huge percentage of the hunting rifles that are (or I should say were) on the market. Everyone here saying that civilians shouldn't be walking around with "military type" weapons... I agree. However, those were already banned. I think the new definition of "assault weapon" is beyond absurd. It takes a very large majority of hunting rifles off the market.
In addition, the Remington factory is considering leaving NYS now more then ever. That means lost tax revenue for our state and more New Yorkers losing their jobs.
I absolutely understand the need for the loopholes to be closed and stricter waiting periods. I just think they went way too far with the gun ban and they haven't done nearly enough to address mental health issues. Image Attachment(s):
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Re: My person analogy of the gun ban
Posted by Jbon630
Is anyone who is so concerned about the government infringing on their right to have a gun equally concerned about the direction the government is going to infringe on your rights to make decisions about your body, and who you can marry? Just curious
Yes, I am. I am a strong 2nd amendment supporter ( with reasonable restrictions), pro choice ( not for me, but I feel it should be legal) and very strongly in support of gay marriage. I don't want the government in my business ( except when absolutely neccesary).
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Re: My person analogy of the gun ban
Posted by KellyFG
Posted by ElizaRags35
Posted by luckyinlove
You take away one Constitutional right, who is to say that they won't take away more...
Like the Patriot Act? That violates some constitutional amendments, doesn't it? I'm sure some of the same people crying out about protecting 2nd amendment rights didn't say a damn thing about the Patriot Act and the 4th Amendment.
Please do not make broad assumptions about people like me that are not 100% in favor of extreme firearm restrictions.
The Patriot Act is not something I am in favor of actually, in fact I think its
bullsh!t that is has been used to violate citizen's privacy in many cases.
I'm REALLY tired of the accusations that "the same people that want to keep their guns" are protesting against abortion with pictures of dead babies and assuming I'm a right wing nut job because I don't agree with the current state of affairs regarding gun ownership.
I am NOT into the sheeple mentality that has overtaken this country. I have some "liberal" views like my stance on the environment, marriage for ALL people and a woman's right to choose and I have somewhat "conservative" views when it comes to things like medicaid and gun control.
I'm an american, I don't bow to ANY parties self seving belief system.
I have our consitution and my OWN values to live up to.
ETS-its bullsh!t that LIF doesn't let us say bullsh!t
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Re: My person analogy of the gun ban
Yes!
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luckyinlove
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Re: My person analogy of the gun ban
Posted by 2BadSoSad
Posted by ElizaRags35
Posted by luckyinlove
You take away one Constitutional right, who is to say that they won't take away more...
Like the Patriot Act? That violates some constitutional amendments, doesn't it? I'm sure some of the same people crying out about protecting 2nd amendment rights didn't say a damn thing about the Patriot Act and the 4th Amendment.
NO ONE IS TAKING AWAY YOUR CONSITUTIONAL RIGHTS!!!!!! The want to REGULATE it, not completely erradicate the 2nd amendment, JESUS H CHRIST!
(not at you Eliza)
For the record - it used be a Constitutional right to own slaves - SOMETIMES IT REQUIRES AMENDING.
The Constitution is a LIVING DOCUMENT, it is was SPECIFICALLY written with the foresight to change it as our times/needs changed.
Chill out - why are you yelling at me. I am sorry that you don't see that I said that I worry that eventually there will be an all out ban on civilians owning guns, which violates our rights, because then more rights can be infringed upon. It is very easy to say that a weapon ban is a good thing when you sit home, nice and naive to what is really going on in your neighborhood. My DH is a cop, and I hear horrible stories on a day to day basis about what happens in my own little Mayberry-like town. Yes, of course cops will still be able to own guns, but they want to restrict the types that they carry too, and the illegal ones that perps will be carrying will in all likelihood not be regulated. That puts him at risk. To think that any kinds of bans or restrictions are going to take the guns out of the hands of the people who really need to not be carrying them is so ignorant and naive. For the record, I think that assault rifles should be regulated, and more background checks should be issued, but I worry about bans.
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luckyinlove
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Re: My person analogy of the gun ban
Thank you!!!
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Re: My person analogy of the gun ban
Posted by MrsA1012
Posted by Jbon630
Is anyone who is so concerned about the government infringing on their right to have a gun equally concerned about the direction the government is going to infringe on your rights to make decisions about your body, and who you can marry? Just curious
Yes, I am. I am a strong 2nd amendment supporter ( with reasonable restrictions), pro choice ( not for me, but I feel it should be legal) and very strongly in support of gay marriage. I don't want the government in my business ( except when absolutely neccesary).
Refreshing to hear but I believe you are in the minority.
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