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LadyMaravilla
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Re: Nativity Scenes In Schools
Posted by Shellyesq
the thing is... if you are going teach relgion in public schools, how do you teach all of them- aside from Judaism and Christianity, there in Islam, Hinduism, Buddhism, SHintoism, etc... How to reconcile all these religions into a public school- in a country where we are based on the separation between church adn state? It is a very fine line.
I don't think religious beliefs should be taught at non-denominational schools, but acknowledge the holidays. Ramadan, Hanukkah, Christmas,Kwanza.
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Re: Nativity Scenes In Schools
Posted by Redhead
why exactly does religion not belong in schools?
It is in the history books, it is in the English poems and stort stories and novels
it is there.. why hide that?
Why not accept and celebrate it all....?
Learning and accepting others should start at the home but it is truly intergrated in the classrooms
Ok. How do I better explain...
True, religion can be looked at historically and I believe certain aspects are probably already taught---to older grades, of course.
And true, learning and acceptance should be in the schools...But how would the schools really even begin to start integrating religion into their curriculums? What would they teach? How would they pick which ones they would teach about? Would it be equivilant to that of a specifically religious school? Would the parents really be for this? I think it's just too much to think about.
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Re: Nativity Scenes In Schools
Posted by Redhead
IMO i think school should have all different types of religious symbols up during their holidays.
School is where you learn and acclimate to these kind of things
I think keeping people away from it only increases ignorance
I completely agree
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Redhead
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Re: Nativity Scenes In Schools
Posted by Shellyesq
the thing is... if you are going teach relgion in public schools, how do you teach all of them- aside from Judaism and Christianity, there in Islam, Hinduism, Buddhism, SHintoism, etc... How to reconcile all these religions into a public school- in a country where we are based on the separation between church adn state? It is a very fine line.
yea i see your point but i have to say i remeber learning A LOT about religion in History classes...
AND to be honest i LOVED it. I found it facinating.
But IMO if you think a good shot can't be done...
then should it be taken out completely?
Because IMO tha tis where we are heading
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Re: Nativity Scenes In Schools
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I feel like the country as a whole is pushing all religion away.
I completely disagree and think its the opposite. The Christian Right is gaining a lot of power- and we have a very religious man as a President. There are more best sellers in Christian music and books than ever before. Look at the success of such movies like the Passion of the Christ, or the Lion, Witch and Wardrobe.
I agree with this and I think as a nation we have become more intolerant of certain religious traditions.
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Redhead
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Re: Nativity Scenes In Schools
Posted by Kelly
Ok. How do I better explain...
True, religion can be looked at historically and I believe certain aspects are probably already taught---to older grades, of course.
And true, learning and acceptance should be in the schools...But how would the schools really even begin to start integrating religion into their curriculums? What would they teach? How would they pick which ones they would teach about? Would it be equivilant to that of a specifically religious school? Would the parents really be for this? I think it's just too much to think about.
When i was in HS they were already teaching about other religions in History as well as English classes
It is already there
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LadyMaravilla
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Re: Nativity Scenes In Schools
then should it be taken out completely?
Because IMO tha tis where we are heading
This is what I'm referring to. It's being taken away completely and I don't think that's a right decision to make.
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Re: Nativity Scenes In Schools
Posted by LadyLainez
I don't think religious beliefs should be taught at non-denominational schools, but acknowledge the holidays. Ramadan, Hanukkah, Christmas,Kwanza.
I guess what the question is- how do you acknowledge the holidays in a way that is sensitive to everyone... apparantly a Christmas tree is not enough for some people- and they want a nativity scene... I don't think there is an answer. I believe that public schools prefer to stay away from a very religious image and use a symbol for the religion. And this offends some people. A nativity scene will offend other people. It looks like there is no right way. Either way, someone gets offended.
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Re: Nativity Scenes In Schools
Posted by Redhead
When i was in HS they were already teaching about other religions in History as well as English classes
It is already there
Historical aspects, undoubtedly.
There is a huge difference between teaching people that Jesus was a man who lived two thousand years ago and claimed that he was the son of God AND teaching that Jesus IS the son of God and that we must pray to him.
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Re: Nativity Scenes In Schools
Posted by Shellyesq
Posted by LadyLainez
I don't think religious beliefs should be taught at non-denominational schools, but acknowledge the holidays. Ramadan, Hanukkah, Christmas,Kwanza.
I guess what the question is- how do you acknowledge the holidays in a way that is sensitive to everyone... apparantly a Christmas tree is not enough for some people- and they want a nativity scene... I don't think there is an answer. I believe that public schools prefer to stay away from a very religious image and use a symbol for the religion. And this offends some people. A nativity scene will offend other people. It looks like there is no right way. Either way, someone gets offended.
i agree..there is no need to go over board with it. IMO a Christmas tree is enough...It represents the holiday and that is the important part of it.
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LadyMaravilla
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Re: Nativity Scenes In Schools
I guess what the question is- how do you acknowledge the holidays in a way that is sensitive to everyone... apparantly a Christmas tree is not enough for some people- and they want a nativity scene... I don't think there is an answer. I believe that public schools prefer to stay away from a very religious image and use a symbol for the religion. And this offends some people. A nativity scene will offend other people. It looks like there is no right way. Either way, someone gets offended.
You're exactly right. No matter what we acknowledge it's always offensive to someone. Why do you think this is? It seemed like it wasn't before. Do you think it's fear? But fear of what?
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Re: Nativity Scenes In Schools
Posted by Kelly
Posted by Redhead
When i was in HS they were already teaching about other religions in History as well as English classes
It is already there
Historical aspects, undoubtedly.
There is a huge difference between teaching people that Jesus was a man who lived two thousand years ago and claimed that he was the son of God AND teaching that Jesus IS the son of God and that we must pray to him.
I am not saying that you have to go that in depth with it Kelly.
I think that learning the gist about all kinds of religions when you are learning about different cultures in different coutries is natural. AND should be done...Actually already IS being done.
And during holidays there is nothing wrong with displaying representations of said religions
OUR Schools are becomming more and more diverse....so this should be the natural progression of assimilation.
Taking all religious aspects out of our schools will be IMPOSSIBLE
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Re: Nativity Scenes In Schools
Posted by Redhead
Posted by Kelly
Ok. How do I better explain...
True, religion can be looked at historically and I believe certain aspects are probably already taught---to older grades, of course.
And true, learning and acceptance should be in the schools...But how would the schools really even begin to start integrating religion into their curriculums? What would they teach? How would they pick which ones they would teach about? Would it be equivilant to that of a specifically religious school? Would the parents really be for this? I think it's just too much to think about.
When i was in HS they were already teaching about other religions in History as well as English classes
It is already there
There is a way to teach religion in a preaching way, and to teach it in a historical way.
WHen I was in high school, we read James Joyce. Now to understand James Joyce, you have to understand some basics Catholicism. So one of the administrators of the school gave a lecture on the beliefs and practices of Catholicism. A girl in our class kept asking him questions- basically challenging him to explain the unexplainable (religion IS based on faith). After class she came up to me and asked me what I thought- I told her that i thought she was SO WRONG. We are both not Catholic, and I am Jewish- but the lecture was taught to help us understand an important piece of literature- not to convert us.
I learned all about Martin Luther and the wars in Europe between the Catholics and the Protestants... and its important- its part of history.
But I still don't think a nativity scene belongs in a school display. One is teaching history for educational purposes. The other isn't.
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Redhead
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Re: Nativity Scenes In Schools
Why are you making a distinction between a nativity scene and a tree...
IMO that is semantics
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Re: Nativity Scenes In Schools
I disagree- a tree is a symbol of various aspects of the birth of Jesus and Christianity- a nativity scene is the image of the birth of Jesus. One is symbolic, the other isn't.
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Re: Nativity Scenes In Schools
Posted by Shellyesq
I disagree- a tree is a symbol of various aspects of the birth of Jesus and Christianity- a nativity scene is the image of the birth of Jesus. One is symbolic, the other isn't.
IMO both are symbolic...
You seem to apply degrees of it
various aspects vs. the image of...
i dunno...who cares imo. I don't t hink a nativity scene is necessary to be honest
but i do not see it any different that a tree..
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LadyMaravilla
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Re: Nativity Scenes In Schools
To me this is the bottom line...."Public schools can neither foster religion nor preclude it."
Message edited 12/15/2005 10:58:42 AM.
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Re: Nativity Scenes In Schools
I always saw the Nativity scene as very religious. It is a replica of the image of such a holy moment in the Christian Faith.
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Redhead
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Re: Nativity Scenes In Schools
Posted by LadyLainez
To me this is the bottom line....Public schools can neither foster religion nor preclude it.
i agree..
just teach the basics of all religions....
IMO there is just too much segregation. Our schools are now multi-cultural. And the more of it the better.
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Re: Nativity Scenes In Schools
Posted by Redhead
Posted by LadyLainez
To me this is the bottom line....Public schools can neither foster religion nor preclude it.
i agree..
just teach the basics of all religions....
IMO there is just too much segregation. Our schools are now multi-cultural. And the more of it the better.
Agreed- on both accounts. As long as we are sensitive to one another's beliefs, and we respect one another- the world will be a better place.
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| Posted 12/15/05 11:01 AM |
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Redhead
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Re: Nativity Scenes In Schools
Posted by Shellyesq
I always saw the Nativity scene as very religious. It is a replica of the image of such a holy moment in the Christian Faith.
eh...i guess maybe.
I can see how a cross would be too much. But the nativity scene represents the meaning of Christmas to me and that is what celebrating a holiday is.
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Redhead
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Re: Nativity Scenes In Schools
Posted by Shellyesq
Posted by Redhead
Posted by LadyLainez
To me this is the bottom line....Public schools can neither foster religion nor preclude it.
i agree..
just teach the basics of all religions....
IMO there is just too much segregation. Our schools are now multi-cultural. And the more of it the better.
Agreed- on both accounts. As long as we are sensitive to one another's beliefs, and we respect one another- the world will be a better place.
agree 100%
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LadyMaravilla
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Re: Nativity Scenes In Schools
I completely disagree and think its the opposite. The Christian Right is gaining a lot of power- and we have a very religious man as a President. There are more best sellers in Christian music and books than ever before. Look at the success of such movies like the Passion of the Christ, or the Lion, Witch and Wardrobe.
yes, it's pretty scary  
I think movies like The Passion was one a movie Phenomenon and it caused so much dilemma that most went to watch just to see what the drama was all about. I feel as a whole religion is being pushed away. I read another article that a museum display had been removed because it displayed religious articles and a gun standing by it. This was to prove the point that religious beliefs were used as a weapon.
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