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Re: New FBI probe into Clinton's emails
Posted by MarisaK
I'm annoyed because the are the FBI - there should be an investigation, there should be a clean and through investigation, and everyone working there should have their sh*t together for the smallest of 'their' cases .......but for something like THIS ?? Something you know is going to be scrutinized and pulled apart and plastered all over the media and turned into memes and sound bites and 20 second Facebook videos ...... They should have done EVERY SINGLE thing by the book, crossed every t, dotted every i, and have been able to stand by it.
My outrages is due to the fact that they're basically doing the same work, again.
And even if their first investigation was legitimate, and they truly didn't find anything criminal ..........there's no faith in their efforts or findings anymore. They've lost credibility because now they're doing what? Backpedaling? I'm disappointed b/c I feel like they should have stood behind their original findings.
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Re: New FBI probe into Clinton's emails
May I ask why the other times his happened there was no investigation. And now it's multiple investigations
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Re: New FBI probe into Clinton's emails
Posted by eroxgirl
I think today, in 2016 it's totally egregious. But there was no precedent before she did it. No one seems to care about that, and frankly that has to have a plce. Colin Powell used an AOL account when he held the same position. AOL!!!
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Re: New FBI probe into Clinton's emails
Posted by Lucky09
Posted by ChilisWife
My personal opinion is that the bottom line is that no matter what, America loses and we are a laughingstock.
1. She broke the law.
2. Anyone who did what she did would be in jail.
3. Instead, she will still win the election and we will have the first President who was elected while under an FBI investigation, which will overshadow the fact that she is a woman.
3. This supposed new probe is a waste of America's time and money because she is untouchable.
4. If it were ANY other GOP candidate besides Trump, it would be a slam dunk for that person.
I am asking because I read something to the contrary... can anyone provide the link to a reliable source that describes which specific laws were broken?
I thought the material found in her email wasn't classified at the time she sent it.
GoldenRod?
http://www.usnews.com/news/politics/articles/2016-09-28/fbis-comey-faces-more-questions-on-extremism-clinton-email
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But Comey, who has repeatedly sought to explain the FBI's decision making, again said that the case was not a close call. Though he said in July that Clinton and her aides had been "extremely careless" in their handling of classified information, he said no one else would have been prosecuted for the same acts — though they might have gotten into trouble with their employer.
"To prosecute on these facts would be a double standard because Jane and Joe Smith would not be prosecuted on these facts," Comey said.
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Private and public company rules on "company confidential" emails, data, etc, are MUCH different than government classified data. While many people in the private sector might get fired over something like this, the rules are much different for government Confidential, Secret and Top Secret data, and what is or isn't a criminal act. Heck, people get fired from companies for saying "bad words" or derogatory statements...
There were no laws broken, so she is not a criminal. In the US, a person is not a "criminal" until they break a law, and are convicted, regardless of peoples' opinions.
She is not under a criminal FBI investigation.
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Re: New FBI probe into Clinton's emails
Posted by GoldenRod
Posted by Lucky09
Posted by ChilisWife
My personal opinion is that the bottom line is that no matter what, America loses and we are a laughingstock.
1. She broke the law.
2. Anyone who did what she did would be in jail.
3. Instead, she will still win the election and we will have the first President who was elected while under an FBI investigation, which will overshadow the fact that she is a woman.
3. This supposed new probe is a waste of America's time and money because she is untouchable.
4. If it were ANY other GOP candidate besides Trump, it would be a slam dunk for that person.
I am asking because I read something to the contrary... can anyone provide the link to a reliable source that describes which specific laws were broken?
I thought the material found in her email wasn't classified at the time she sent it.
GoldenRod?
http://www.usnews.com/news/politics/articles/2016-09-28/fbis-comey-faces-more-questions-on-extremism-clinton-email
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But Comey, who has repeatedly sought to explain the FBI's decision making, again said that the case was not a close call. Though he said in July that Clinton and her aides had been "extremely careless" in their handling of classified information, he said no one else would have been prosecuted for the same acts — though they might have gotten into trouble with their employer.
"To prosecute on these facts would be a double standard because Jane and Joe Smith would not be prosecuted on these facts," Comey said.
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Private and public company rules on "company confidential" emails, data, etc, are MUCH different than government classified data. While many people in the private sector might get fired over something like this, the rules are much different for government Confidential, Secret and Top Secret data, and what is or isn't a criminal act. Heck, people get fired from companies for saying "bad words" or derogatory statements...
There were no laws broken, so she is not a criminal. In the US, a person is not a "criminal" until they break a law, and are convicted, regardless of peoples' opinions.
She is not under a criminal FBI investigation.
Just because it's not criminal does not mean it wasn't wrong. It was a stupid and careless thing to do. It's not because she is a woman. Colin Powell was also careless. It is ridiculous to defend this by saying the rules for classified US intelligence are different than those at a private company. If that is the truth there are serious cyber security issues in this country. I can guarantee if someone at a lower level did the same thing as Hillary they would've been fired. I am still voting for Hillary but she was wrong in this situation.
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Re: New FBI probe into Clinton's emails
Posted by eroxgirl
I think today, in 2016 it's totally egregious. But there was no precedent before she did it. No one seems to care about that, and frankly that has to have a plce. Colin Powell used an AOL account when he held the same position. AOL!!!
As a Clinton supporter, that's the sort of fact that lends credence to the idea that she's held to higher scrutiny because she's a woman, that there's been a political machine trying to take her down from the beginning and it makes it that much harder to swallow all of the allegations against her.
This.
Posted by MrsProfessor
I go back and forth between:
- being annoyed at her, that she had the private server, because she had to know it would come up later on.
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- being fed up because to some degree this feels like a witch hunt. GWB's administration was just as bad, if not worse.
For me, in the long run, it comes down to the fact that Trump is simply not an option. I am concerned because I do feel she does stupid things out of a sense of entitlement, but I also feel like she is unfairly targeted, and should she be elected she will be obstructed through her whole term.
And this too.
The whole tiresome, ongoing scandal-that-won't-die is irritating to me because she is a whip-smart lady, and this was a dumb pitfall to create.
However, I also think of my very bright MIL who calls her computer files "programs" and refers to opening something as "downloading" it and thinks that her wifi-enabled blue ray player is "the metflicks" with an M. I think of the anonymous comments that came from former Clinton staffers who talked about her ignorance of computers, and I think of the other former secretaries of state who also did this (i.e. Powell AND Condy Rice) and were never subjected to this level of scrutiny. In fact, we didn't see this exposed until a chick had the gall to run for president. To me, this article says it all. Politicians have been at least part-dirty for as long as I've been alive to witness elections, but I think the relentless  with HRC is rooted in misogyny in much the same way that a lot of the disrespect (*note: disrespect is different from dissent) directed at Barack Obama has been rooted in racist notions.
Benghazi soundbites alone prove the HRC/misogyny point. GWB ignored information about a potential attack on the United States because, jeez, so much intelligence comes in and it's all fine and well to look with hindsight and do all this Monday morning quarterbacking. 5,000 civilians died as a result and then his approval rating shot up to 92% after he barely won the election less than a year earlier, but Hillary gets pummeled in the news for years on end. The double-standard is so transparent that I can't even take it seriously anymore.
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TyReseGreen
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New FBI probe into Clinton's emails
This whole thing is BS. Why the double standard? Colin Powell did the exact same thing but of course it's a witch hunt when it comes to HRC. Then Comey puts out a vague statement but then they say it's not her emails. Comey needs to make a statement and put out more then what he previously stated.
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Re: New FBI probe into Clinton's emails
I didnt see the "I" and thought this said it was a FB probe. I was wondering what they were looking good for.
Thats all I can/will contribute to this post
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Lucky09
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Re: New FBI probe into Clinton's emails
Posted by GoldenRod
Posted by Lucky09
Posted by ChilisWife
My personal opinion is that the bottom line is that no matter what, America loses and we are a laughingstock.
1. She broke the law.
2. Anyone who did what she did would be in jail.
3. Instead, she will still win the election and we will have the first President who was elected while under an FBI investigation, which will overshadow the fact that she is a woman.
3. This supposed new probe is a waste of America's time and money because she is untouchable.
4. If it were ANY other GOP candidate besides Trump, it would be a slam dunk for that person.
I am asking because I read something to the contrary... can anyone provide the link to a reliable source that describes which specific laws were broken?
I thought the material found in her email wasn't classified at the time she sent it.
GoldenRod?
http://www.usnews.com/news/politics/articles/2016-09-28/fbis-comey-faces-more-questions-on-extremism-clinton-email
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But Comey, who has repeatedly sought to explain the FBI's decision making, again said that the case was not a close call. Though he said in July that Clinton and her aides had been "extremely careless" in their handling of classified information, he said no one else would have been prosecuted for the same acts — though they might have gotten into trouble with their employer.
"To prosecute on these facts would be a double standard because Jane and Joe Smith would not be prosecuted on these facts," Comey said.
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Private and public company rules on "company confidential" emails, data, etc, are MUCH different than government classified data. While many people in the private sector might get fired over something like this, the rules are much different for government Confidential, Secret and Top Secret data, and what is or isn't a criminal act. Heck, people get fired from companies for saying "bad words" or derogatory statements...
There were no laws broken, so she is not a criminal. In the US, a person is not a "criminal" until they break a law, and are convicted, regardless of peoples' opinions.
She is not under a criminal FBI investigation.
Thank you for providing this!
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Re: New FBI probe into Clinton's emails
Posted by TyReseGreen
This whole thing is BS. Why the double standard? Colin Powell did the exact same thing but of course it's a witch hunt when it comes to HRC. Then Comey puts out a vague statement but then they say it's not her emails. Comey needs to make a statement and put out more then what he previously stated.
I don't know the details of what Colin Powell was accused of. Was he also accused of destroying evidence after a subpoena was issued? I'm just curious because for me that is a huge problem. It's a complete disregard for our system, and the act of someone who things they are above the rules.
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KarenK122
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New FBI probe into Clinton's emails
Comparing Hillary to Powell's actions bare no merit because the laws changed in 2005 after Powell left. The world of the internet and using emails changes almost by the minute now and the "rules" need to be updated changed to cover new issues that arise. Powell used his government email address to conduct classified business and his personal for non classified.
The issue is that Hillary never used her @state.gov email address. She used her personal one to conduct business. By doing this her emails were not archived the way every other single government employee's were. She set up a PRIVATE server in her house. Then deleted her emails. That is the issue. So yes while she may not have committed a "crime" it was shady and who knows what she sent or did because it wasn't regulated.
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Re: New FBI probe into Clinton's emails
ts a non issue.
It is NOT a "new" probe or opening the investigation.
SO its a non issue for anyone.
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Posted by Paramount
ts a non issue.
It is NOT a "new" probe or opening the investigation.
SO its a non issue for anyone.
As of now not even Hillary Clinton knows exactly what they are looking at so it's not a "non issue".
“That’s why it is incumbent upon the FBI to tell us what they’re talking about. Right now your guess is as good as mine, and I don’t think that’s good enough.”
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Paramount
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Re: New FBI probe into Clinton's emails
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Posted by Paramount
ts a non issue.
It is NOT a "new" probe or opening the investigation.
SO its a non issue for anyone.
As of now not even Hillary Clinton knows exactly what they are looking at so it's not a "non issue".
“That’s why it is incumbent upon the FBI to tell us what they’re talking about. Right now your guess is as good as mine, and I don’t think that’s good enough.”
It is a non issue.
The FBI was VERY clear about what they are looking for. They are looking at emails they previously didnt look at (that they presumably already have).
They are looking to see if anything Huma had and sent to her Yahoo account was classified. This is not about what was sent or received by HRC.
This is NOT a re-opening of the case.
This is NOT a re-investigation.
The FBI director, in a letter stated VERY clearly that they want to look at certain things associated with a different investigation. That different investigation is about Weiner. They found email on his laptop that Huma used to print emails from HER government (or otherwise) email.
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Re: New FBI probe into Clinton's emails
Probably old news around here, but Jason Brezler lost his job for doing the same thing HRC did...only to a lesser extent (1 email with a report he assumed was no longer classified because of time and the fact it was a report written by him and the service member he was sending it to) AND in order to protect service members lives. The higher-ups didn't heed his report and we lost 3 marines as a result. Instead the higher-ups focused on the the fact that Brezler sent classified info over and unclassified account. Go figure.
Marine cites HRC case regarding disseminating classified info
But as Paramount stated above, I don't think anything will come of this. Comey just wants the public to know that they've come upon more emails related to HRC based on a separate investigation. I don't think it means they've found anything specific. (Although my father is a retired special agent in charge and he wonders if agents stumbled upon something serious and Comey now needs to cover his rear.)
Message edited 10/29/2016 1:55:36 PM.
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Re: New FBI probe into Clinton's emails
Posted by jellybean78
Posted by ChilisWife
My personal opinion is that the bottom line is that no matter what, America loses and we are a laughingstock.
1. She broke the law.
2. Anyone who did what she did would be in jail.
3. Instead, she will still win the election and we will have the first President who was elected while under an FBI investigation, which will overshadow the fact that she is a woman.
3. This supposed new probe is a waste of America's time and money because she is untouchable.
4. If it were ANY other GOP candidate besides Trump, it would be a slam dunk for that person.
I agree although I think this may work in Trumps favor.
I'm pretty confident he still won't win.
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Diane
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Re: New FBI probe into Clinton's emails
I know this is not based on emails..
And no one finds all these people who have dirt on Hillary end up dead....NOT suspicious??
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Re: New FBI probe into Clinton's emails
Posted by Diane
I know this is not based on emails..
And no one finds all these people who have dirt on Hillary end up dead....NOT suspicious??
It's a rumor spread around on conservative leaning website and not reported in any mainstream media (including Fox News). Thus, for me, I don't give it much thought for the same reason I am not giving much thought to the rumors of Trump having sex with 15 year old girls at cocaine-filled parties.
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Re: New FBI probe into Clinton's emails
Posted by lipglossjunky73
Posted by jellybean78
Posted by ChilisWife
My personal opinion is that the bottom line is that no matter what, America loses and we are a laughingstock.
1. She broke the law.
2. Anyone who did what she did would be in jail.
3. Instead, she will still win the election and we will have the first President who was elected while under an FBI investigation, which will overshadow the fact that she is a woman.
3. This supposed new probe is a waste of America's time and money because she is untouchable.
4. If it were ANY other GOP candidate besides Trump, it would be a slam dunk for that person.
I agree although I think this may work in Trumps favor.
I'm pretty confident he still won't win.
Yes agree with everything but despite this, I also think people already have their minds made up on who they will vote for regardless, and I don't see Trump winning. Any other candidate, yes.
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Re: New FBI probe into Clinton's emails
Posted by Diane
I know this is not based on emails..
And no one finds all these people who have dirt on Hillary end up dead....NOT suspicious??
Debunked a while ago...
http://www.snopes.com/politics/clintons/bodycount.asp
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Re: New FBI probe into Clinton's emails
Posted by Chatham-Chick
Probably old news around here, but Jason Brezler lost his job for doing the same thing HRC did...only to a lesser extent (1 email with a report he assumed was no longer classified because of time and the fact it was a report written by him and the service member he was sending it to) AND in order to protect service members lives. The higher-ups didn't heed his report and we lost 3 marines as a result. Instead the higher-ups focused on the the fact that Brezler sent classified info over and unclassified account. Go figure.
http://www.snopes.com/2016/07/07/jason-brezler/
Very different scenarios. I'm not saying Brezler should be prosecuted, but he intentionally and willfully took a document he knew was classified and deliberately gave it to people without proper clearance. It was determined that Hillary did not intend to give out classified info.
Intent is the big issue in these cases, and most others as well, when it comes to Classified info.
Brezler also had about a hundred additional classified documents on his computer.
He also hasn't lost his job yet. There is a pending hearing.
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MarisaK
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Re: New FBI probe into Clinton's emails
Posted by bookworm
Posted by eroxgirl
I think today, in 2016 it's totally egregious. But there was no precedent before she did it. No one seems to care about that, and frankly that has to have a plce. Colin Powell used an AOL account when he held the same position. AOL!!!
As a Clinton supporter, that's the sort of fact that lends credence to the idea that she's held to higher scrutiny because she's a woman, that there's been a political machine trying to take her down from the beginning and it makes it that much harder to swallow all of the allegations against her.
This.
Posted by MrsProfessor
I go back and forth between:
- being annoyed at her, that she had the private server, because she had to know it would come up later on.
and
- being fed up because to some degree this feels like a witch hunt. GWB's administration was just as bad, if not worse.
For me, in the long run, it comes down to the fact that Trump is simply not an option. I am concerned because I do feel she does stupid things out of a sense of entitlement, but I also feel like she is unfairly targeted, and should she be elected she will be obstructed through her whole term.
And this too.
The whole tiresome, ongoing scandal-that-won't-die is irritating to me because she is a whip-smart lady, and this was a dumb pitfall to create.
However, I also think of my very bright MIL who calls her computer files "programs" and refers to opening something as "downloading" it and thinks that her wifi-enabled blue ray player is "the metflicks" with an M. I think of the anonymous comments that came from former Clinton staffers who talked about her ignorance of computers, and I think of the other former secretaries of state who also did this (i.e. Powell AND Condy Rice) and were never subjected to this level of scrutiny. In fact, we didn't see this exposed until a chick had the gall to run for president. To me, this article says it all. Politicians have been at least part-dirty for as long as I've been alive to witness elections, but I think the relentless with HRC is rooted in misogyny in much the same way that a lot of the disrespect (*note: disrespect is different from dissent) directed at Barack Obama has been rooted in racist notions.
Benghazi soundbites alone prove the HRC/misogyny point. GWB ignored information about a potential attack on the United States because, jeez, so much intelligence comes in and it's all fine and well to look with hindsight and do all this Monday morning quarterbacking. 5,000 civilians died as a result and then his approval rating shot up to 92% after he barely won the election less than a year earlier, but Hillary gets pummeled in the news for years on end. The double-standard is so transparent that I can't even take it seriously anymore.
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Re: New FBI probe into Clinton's emails
Posted by MarisaK
Benghazi soundbites alone prove the HRC/misogyny point. GWB ignored information about a potential attack on the United States because, jeez, so much intelligence comes in and it's all fine and well to look with hindsight and do all this Monday morning quarterbacking. 5,000 civilians died as a result and then his approval rating shot up to 92% after he barely won the election less than a year earlier, but Hillary gets pummeled in the news for years on end. The double-standard is so transparent that I can't even take it seriously anymore.
I never understood why Clinton alone was blamed for the Benghazi attack, but listening to the attached video makes the point crystal clear that the majority of people in our great country do not understood how the government works.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rWcVtWennr0
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Re: New FBI probe into Clinton's emails
Posted by GoldenRod
Posted by Chatham-Chick
Probably old news around here, but Jason Brezler lost his job for doing the same thing HRC did...only to a lesser extent (1 email with a report he assumed was no longer classified because of time and the fact it was a report written by him and the service member he was sending it to) AND in order to protect service members lives. The higher-ups didn't heed his report and we lost 3 marines as a result. Instead the higher-ups focused on the the fact that Brezler sent classified info over and unclassified account. Go figure.
http://www.snopes.com/2016/07/07/jason-brezler/
Very different scenarios. I'm not saying Brezler should be prosecuted, but he intentionally and willfully took a document he knew was classified and deliberately gave it to people without proper clearance. It was determined that Hillary did not intend to give out classified info.
Intent is the big issue in these cases, and most others as well, when it comes to Classified info.
Brezler also had about a hundred additional classified documents on his computer.
He also hasn't lost his job yet. There is a pending hearing.
I hardly consider them different scenarios. Have you read anything on it other than Snopes?
No, he hasn't lost his job "yet," but it has been recommended that he be discharged. It's the fact that he's being punished for this when most consider Hillary's actions far more dangerous and serious. Why no punishment for her?
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GoldenRod
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Re: New FBI probe into Clinton's emails
Posted by Chatham-Chick
Posted by GoldenRod
Posted by Chatham-Chick
Probably old news around here, but Jason Brezler lost his job for doing the same thing HRC did...only to a lesser extent (1 email with a report he assumed was no longer classified because of time and the fact it was a report written by him and the service member he was sending it to) AND in order to protect service members lives. The higher-ups didn't heed his report and we lost 3 marines as a result. Instead the higher-ups focused on the the fact that Brezler sent classified info over and unclassified account. Go figure.
http://www.snopes.com/2016/07/07/jason-brezler/
Very different scenarios. I'm not saying Brezler should be prosecuted, but he intentionally and willfully took a document he knew was classified and deliberately gave it to people without proper clearance. It was determined that Hillary did not intend to give out classified info.
Intent is the big issue in these cases, and most others as well, when it comes to Classified info.
Brezler also had about a hundred additional classified documents on his computer.
He also hasn't lost his job yet. There is a pending hearing.
I hardly consider them different scenarios. Have you read anything on it other than Snopes?
No, he hasn't lost his job "yet," but it has been recommended that he be discharged. It's the fact that he's being punished for this when most consider Hillary's actions far more dangerous and serious. Why no punishment for her?
I've read at least a dozen different sites, from all angles. Neither person is being charged with criminal activity, so as far as the law is concerned, they are being treated equally. Any repercussions are strictly up to their employer's discretion. Since they work for different departments, they have different bosses, and different rules. Sure, it doesn't seem fair, but lots of people lose their jobs because their particular boss doesn't like what they did.
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