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Re: No, Vaccinated People Are Not ‘Just as Likely’ to Spread the Coronavirus as Unvaccinated People
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The hysteria that ALL unvaccinated people will ABSOLUTELY get sick and possibly die is just ridiculous.
Just another scare tactic that so many people fall for.
It just goes to show how many people are easily influenced and have stopped using common sense.
What hysteria and what scare tactics are you finding ? I dont see media claiming all unvaccinated people are severely ill or dying. What media reports is that 90% of the people who are in ICUs now are people who chose not to be vaccinated. This only proves the vaccine is working at reducing illness severity.
These people are so hell bent on not getting vaccinated, on doing their own “research” and doubting every fact they hear, that it’s not even worth it to argue with them.
Oh stop. I’m vaccinated and I see it. Every other news story is about someone on their deathbed that didn’t get vaccinated. Or whole unvaccinated families being wiped out except for the sole survivor who was vaccinated. If those articles aren’t meant to scare people into getting vaccinated them I’m not sure what the point is. If you don’t see it you either aren’t reading the news or you are blind.
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Re: No, Vaccinated People Are Not ‘Just as Likely’ to Spread the Coronavirus as Unvaccinated People
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The hysteria that ALL unvaccinated people will ABSOLUTELY get sick and possibly die is just ridiculous.
Just another scare tactic that so many people fall for.
It just goes to show how many people are easily influenced and have stopped using common sense.
What hysteria and what scare tactics are you finding ? I dont see media claiming all unvaccinated people are severely ill or dying. What media reports is that 90% of the people who are in ICUs now are people who chose not to be vaccinated. This only proves the vaccine is working at reducing illness severity.
Really? You obviously don’t go on social media. There are so many hysterical people who go on and on about unvaccinated and they WILL get sick.
The media can tell people anything and they will believe it and not even question if it is true or not. The media exaggerates many things.
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Re: No, Vaccinated People Are Not ‘Just as Likely’ to Spread the Coronavirus as Unvaccinated People
Posted by lululu
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Posted by windyweather21
The hysteria that ALL unvaccinated people will ABSOLUTELY get sick and possibly die is just ridiculous.
Just another scare tactic that so many people fall for.
It just goes to show how many people are easily influenced and have stopped using common sense.
What hysteria and what scare tactics are you finding ? I dont see media claiming all unvaccinated people are severely ill or dying. What media reports is that 90% of the people who are in ICUs now are people who chose not to be vaccinated. This only proves the vaccine is working at reducing illness severity.
These people are so hell bent on not getting vaccinated, on doing their own “research” and doubting every fact they hear, that it’s not even worth it to argue with them.
Oh stop. I’m vaccinated and I see it. Every other news story is about someone on their deathbed that didn’t get vaccinated. Or whole unvaccinated families being wiped out except for the sole survivor who was vaccinated. If those articles aren’t meant to scare people into getting vaccinated them I’m not sure what the point is. If you don’t see it you either aren’t reading the news or you are blind.
Thank you and not EVERYONE unvaccinated will get Covid. Just like not EVERYONE who doesn’t get the Flu shot is going to get the flu.
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No, Vaccinated People Are Not ‘Just as Likely’ to Spread the Coronavirus as Unvaccinated People
Anecdotal, but I am vaccinated, got Covid, spread it to a vaccinated friend. I had mild symptoms, she was in bed for ten days. Who knows what the actual truth is at this point? It’s too new.
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ali120206
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No, Vaccinated People Are Not ‘Just as Likely’ to Spread the Coronavirus as Unvaccinated People
My peeve of the day though is the NYC teacher mandate - people are like they should lose their jobs if they don’t vaccinate, we need to protect the kids.
They would’ve been tested, masked and distanced otherwise. That doesn’t help?
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Re: No, Vaccinated People Are Not ‘Just as Likely’ to Spread the Coronavirus as Unvaccinated People
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My peeve of the day though is the NYC teacher mandate - people are like they should lose their jobs if they don’t vaccinate, we need to protect the kids.
They would’ve been tested, masked and distanced otherwise. That doesn’t help?
I'm sorry to hijack the thread, but in response to this, I truly hope and pray that NYC becomes a $hit$how when this goes into effect this week 
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Re: No, Vaccinated People Are Not ‘Just as Likely’ to Spread the Coronavirus as Unvaccinated People
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My peeve of the day though is the NYC teacher mandate - people are like they should lose their jobs if they don’t vaccinate, we need to protect the kids.
They would’ve been tested, masked and distanced otherwise. That doesn’t help?
I'm sorry to hijack the thread, but in response to this, I truly hope and pray that NYC becomes a $hit$how when this goes into effect this week
They blocked the mandate for now. I feel so bad for the kids who will be losing teachers and staff. It will be chaos.
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Re: No, Vaccinated People Are Not ‘Just as Likely’ to Spread the Coronavirus as Unvaccinated People
Posted by sourpatchkids
Posted by ali120206
My peeve of the day though is the NYC teacher mandate - people are like they should lose their jobs if they don’t vaccinate, we need to protect the kids.
They would’ve been tested, masked and distanced otherwise. That doesn’t help?
I'm sorry to hijack the thread, but in response to this, I truly hope and pray that NYC becomes a $hit$how when this goes into effect this week
I am more worried about the healthcare workers that will be fired tomorrow. Hospitals will be so understaffed and more overwhelmed because of it. Really really dumb and spiteful. People may die because those in power want their way.
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Re: No, Vaccinated People Are Not ‘Just as Likely’ to Spread the Coronavirus as Unvaccinated People
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Posted by sourpatchkids
Posted by ali120206
My peeve of the day though is the NYC teacher mandate - people are like they should lose their jobs if they don’t vaccinate, we need to protect the kids.
They would’ve been tested, masked and distanced otherwise. That doesn’t help?
I'm sorry to hijack the thread, but in response to this, I truly hope and pray that NYC becomes a $hit$how when this goes into effect this week
I am more worried about the healthcare workers that will be fired tomorrow. Hospitals will be so understaffed and more overwhelmed because of it. Really really dumb and spiteful. People may die because those in power want their way.
My heart aches for the health care workers who put their lives on the line during the height of the pandemic, to be dismissed like this now. It’s such a slap in the face to them 
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Re: No, Vaccinated People Are Not ‘Just as Likely’ to Spread the Coronavirus as Unvaccinated People
I’m very worried about the healthcare workers being fired, too.
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Re: No, Vaccinated People Are Not ‘Just as Likely’ to Spread the Coronavirus as Unvaccinated People
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Posted by sourpatchkids
Posted by ali120206
My peeve of the day though is the NYC teacher mandate - people are like they should lose their jobs if they don’t vaccinate, we need to protect the kids.
They would’ve been tested, masked and distanced otherwise. That doesn’t help?
I'm sorry to hijack the thread, but in response to this, I truly hope and pray that NYC becomes a $hit$how when this goes into effect this week
I am more worried about the healthcare workers that will be fired tomorrow. Hospitals will be so understaffed and more overwhelmed because of it. Really really dumb and spiteful. People may die because those in power want their way.
Yes - that is another concern. It’s going to be horrible. What have things come to???
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Re: No, Vaccinated People Are Not ‘Just as Likely’ to Spread the Coronavirus as Unvaccinated People
Posted by ali120206
Posted by ChilisWife
Posted by sourpatchkids
Posted by ali120206
My peeve of the day though is the NYC teacher mandate - people are like they should lose their jobs if they don’t vaccinate, we need to protect the kids.
They would’ve been tested, masked and distanced otherwise. That doesn’t help?
I'm sorry to hijack the thread, but in response to this, I truly hope and pray that NYC becomes a $hit$how when this goes into effect this week
I am more worried about the healthcare workers that will be fired tomorrow. Hospitals will be so understaffed and more overwhelmed because of it. Really really dumb and spiteful. People may die because those in power want their way.
Yes - that is another concern. It’s going to be horrible. What have things come to???
I'm also worried about why a person in the health care field would be willing to lose their job rather than get this vaccine.
And not one or rwo outliers. Many of them.
Why? What is so worrisome about this vaccine that someone in the MEDICAL field is that against getting it??
Makes me wonder.
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Re: No, Vaccinated People Are Not ‘Just as Likely’ to Spread the Coronavirus as Unvaccinated People
Posted by NervousNell
Posted by ali120206
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Posted by sourpatchkids
Posted by ali120206
My peeve of the day though is the NYC teacher mandate - people are like they should lose their jobs if they don’t vaccinate, we need to protect the kids.
They would’ve been tested, masked and distanced otherwise. That doesn’t help?
I'm sorry to hijack the thread, but in response to this, I truly hope and pray that NYC becomes a $hit$how when this goes into effect this week
I am more worried about the healthcare workers that will be fired tomorrow. Hospitals will be so understaffed and more overwhelmed because of it. Really really dumb and spiteful. People may die because those in power want their way.
Yes - that is another concern. It’s going to be horrible. What have things come to???
I'm also worried about why a person in the health care field would be willing to lose their job rather than get this vaccine.
And not one or rwo outliers. Many of them.
Why? What is so worrisome about this vaccine that someone in the MEDICAL field is that against getting it??
Makes me wonder.
I think 96% of physicians are vaccinated. Most of those refusing are nurses, support staff, EMT’s.
In this scenario, I’d probably trust the physicians.
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No, Vaccinated People Are Not ‘Just as Likely’ to Spread the Coronavirus as Unvaccinated People
Where is the data showing that we should be concerned about a mass exodus of healthcare workers? What percentage of patient facing healthcare workers in NYS are refusing to get vaccinated?
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Re: No, Vaccinated People Are Not ‘Just as Likely’ to Spread the Coronavirus as Unvaccinated People
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Where is the data showing that we should be concerned about a mass exodus of healthcare workers? What percentage of patient facing healthcare workers in NYS are refusing to get vaccinated?
I haven’t seen numbers but they are planning on mobilizing the national guard to help and prepared to declare a state of emergency.
I have friends who work in hospitals in NYC and when we last spoke they were approaching 90% but I would assume some areas of NY state have a lower percentage of people vaccinated.
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Re: No, Vaccinated People Are Not ‘Just as Likely’ to Spread the Coronavirus as Unvaccinated People
Posted by ali120206
Posted by LuckyStar
Where is the data showing that we should be concerned about a mass exodus of healthcare workers? What percentage of patient facing healthcare workers in NYS are refusing to get vaccinated?
I haven’t seen numbers but they are planning on mobilizing the national guard to help and prepared to declare a state of emergency.
I have friends who work in hospitals in NYC and when we last spoke they were approaching 90% but I would assume some areas of NY state have a lower percentage of people vaccinated.
I have also heard over 90% vaccinated.
There may be a modest impact on small community hospitals in other parts of the state because they’ll be hit doubly by the combo of reduced staff and increased patient load.
NYC area hospitals employ ungodly numbers of people. Less than 10% unvaccinated, including non patient facing staff, is not going to cause a dent.
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Re: No, Vaccinated People Are Not ‘Just as Likely’ to Spread the Coronavirus as Unvaccinated People
Posted by whoababy11
Posted by EclecticEsq10810
Posted by windyweather21
The hysteria that ALL unvaccinated people will ABSOLUTELY get sick and possibly die is just ridiculous.
Just another scare tactic that so many people fall for.
It just goes to show how many people are easily influenced and have stopped using common sense.
What hysteria and what scare tactics are you finding ? I dont see media claiming all unvaccinated people are severely ill or dying. What media reports is that 90% of the people who are in ICUs now are people who chose not to be vaccinated. This only proves the vaccine is working at reducing illness severity.
These people are so hell bent on not getting vaccinated, on doing their own “research” and doubting every fact they hear, that it’s not even worth it to argue with them.
It's really not.
Thank you for posting this article.
The vaccine was never meant to eliminate Covid. It was meant to alleviate severity and the death rate. It has done exactly that.
It's been proven to be safe and effective at ITS PURPOSE. The vast majority of adults have no good reason not to get it.
But some people have just dug in their heels too much to back down now.
You have people on here stomping their feet like toddlers demanding the right to die. And now we apparently have people who WANT to see chaos and misery in NYC schools and medical facilities.
They'd rather die and see others die than admit they are wrong. It's bizarre, cruel, and moronic.
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Re: No, Vaccinated People Are Not ‘Just as Likely’ to Spread the Coronavirus as Unvaccinated People
Posted by JennP
Posted by whoababy11
Posted by EclecticEsq10810
Posted by windyweather21
The hysteria that ALL unvaccinated people will ABSOLUTELY get sick and possibly die is just ridiculous.
Just another scare tactic that so many people fall for.
It just goes to show how many people are easily influenced and have stopped using common sense.
What hysteria and what scare tactics are you finding ? I dont see media claiming all unvaccinated people are severely ill or dying. What media reports is that 90% of the people who are in ICUs now are people who chose not to be vaccinated. This only proves the vaccine is working at reducing illness severity.
These people are so hell bent on not getting vaccinated, on doing their own “research” and doubting every fact they hear, that it’s not even worth it to argue with them.
It's really not.
Thank you for posting this article.
The vaccine was never meant to eliminate Covid. It was meant to alleviate severity and the death rate. It has done exactly that.
It's been proven to be safe and effective at ITS PURPOSE. The vast majority of adults have no good reason not to get it.
But some people have just dug in their heels too much to back down now.
You have people on here stomping their feet like toddlers demanding the right to die. And now we apparently have people who WANT to see chaos and misery in NYC schools and medical facilities.
They'd rather die and see others die than admit they are wrong. It's bizarre, cruel, and moronic.
I mentioned chaos in schools - I don’t want to see the chaos, but it will be as things there are suffering already.
I just don’t see on a school front how it protects the kids more since the teachers would be masked, distanced and tested… and now many kids will just experience chaos.
ETA - I am vaccinated.
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Re: No, Vaccinated People Are Not ‘Just as Likely’ to Spread the Coronavirus as Unvaccinated People
Posted by ali120206
Posted by JennP
Posted by whoababy11
Posted by EclecticEsq10810
Posted by windyweather21
The hysteria that ALL unvaccinated people will ABSOLUTELY get sick and possibly die is just ridiculous.
Just another scare tactic that so many people fall for.
It just goes to show how many people are easily influenced and have stopped using common sense.
What hysteria and what scare tactics are you finding ? I dont see media claiming all unvaccinated people are severely ill or dying. What media reports is that 90% of the people who are in ICUs now are people who chose not to be vaccinated. This only proves the vaccine is working at reducing illness severity.
These people are so hell bent on not getting vaccinated, on doing their own “research” and doubting every fact they hear, that it’s not even worth it to argue with them.
It's really not.
Thank you for posting this article.
The vaccine was never meant to eliminate Covid. It was meant to alleviate severity and the death rate. It has done exactly that.
It's been proven to be safe and effective at ITS PURPOSE. The vast majority of adults have no good reason not to get it.
But some people have just dug in their heels too much to back down now.
You have people on here stomping their feet like toddlers demanding the right to die. And now we apparently have people who WANT to see chaos and misery in NYC schools and medical facilities.
They'd rather die and see others die than admit they are wrong. It's bizarre, cruel, and moronic.
I mentioned chaos in schools - I don’t want to see the chaos, but it will be as things there are suffering already.
I just don’t see on a school front how it protects the kids more since the teachers would be masked, distanced and tested… and now many kids will just experience chaos.
ETA - I am vaccinated.
I think that she was referring to my post, so I will respond. I don't want to argue, I just want to show that it's not so black and white.
I am a teacher. I had Covid over the winter, and it was brutal. I never want it again. That being said, I have blood test results from 2 weeks ago that prove that my antibodies are through the roof. WHY should I be forced to get vaccinated right now?
And yes, I'm the one who said earlier that I hope there is chaos when this goes into effect. Let me clarify...I don't want anyone to die! I want Biden and Hochul and DiBlasio to see that they should not be forcing this vaccine on everyone. I want to see push back, because if it doesn't happen now, I fear for the future.
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Re: No, Vaccinated People Are Not ‘Just as Likely’ to Spread the Coronavirus as Unvaccinated People
Posted by sourpatchkids
Posted by ali120206
Posted by JennP
Posted by whoababy11
Posted by EclecticEsq10810
Posted by windyweather21
The hysteria that ALL unvaccinated people will ABSOLUTELY get sick and possibly die is just ridiculous.
Just another scare tactic that so many people fall for.
It just goes to show how many people are easily influenced and have stopped using common sense.
What hysteria and what scare tactics are you finding ? I dont see media claiming all unvaccinated people are severely ill or dying. What media reports is that 90% of the people who are in ICUs now are people who chose not to be vaccinated. This only proves the vaccine is working at reducing illness severity.
These people are so hell bent on not getting vaccinated, on doing their own “research” and doubting every fact they hear, that it’s not even worth it to argue with them.
It's really not.
Thank you for posting this article.
The vaccine was never meant to eliminate Covid. It was meant to alleviate severity and the death rate. It has done exactly that.
It's been proven to be safe and effective at ITS PURPOSE. The vast majority of adults have no good reason not to get it.
But some people have just dug in their heels too much to back down now.
You have people on here stomping their feet like toddlers demanding the right to die. And now we apparently have people who WANT to see chaos and misery in NYC schools and medical facilities.
They'd rather die and see others die than admit they are wrong. It's bizarre, cruel, and moronic.
I mentioned chaos in schools - I don’t want to see the chaos, but it will be as things there are suffering already.
I just don’t see on a school front how it protects the kids more since the teachers would be masked, distanced and tested… and now many kids will just experience chaos.
ETA - I am vaccinated.
I think that she was referring to my post, so I will respond. I don't want to argue, I just want to show that it's not so black and white.
I am a teacher. I had Covid over the winter, and it was brutal. I never want it again. That being said, I have blood test results from 2 weeks ago that prove that my antibodies are through the roof. WHY should I be forced to get vaccinated right now?
And yes, I'm the one who said earlier that I hope there is chaos when this goes into effect. Let me clarify...I don't want anyone to die! I want Biden and Hochul and DiBlasio to see that they should not be forcing this vaccine on everyone. I want to see push back, because if it doesn't happen now, I fear for the future.
I fear for the future as well and I think this is representative of what is to come.
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MrsWoods
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No, Vaccinated People Are Not ‘Just as Likely’ to Spread the Coronavirus as Unvaccinated People
Why do we keep calling this a vaccine when its not?! It obvoiusly was never built to prevent you from getting it or passing it to someone else so why label it as a vaccine.
Fyi, i am not anti vaccine. If there is a good one that takes this Covid down then i'm all for it. What I am is anti BullSh!t..
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Re: No, Vaccinated People Are Not ‘Just as Likely’ to Spread the Coronavirus as Unvaccinated People
Posted by MrsWoods
Why do we keep calling this a vaccine when its not?! It obvoiusly was never built to prevent you from getting it or passing it to someone else so why label it as a vaccine.
Fyi, i am not anti vaccine. If there is a good one that takes this Covid down then i'm all for it. What I am is anti BullSh!t..
Well, I think it's just like the flu shot - it doesn't prevent you from getting the flu in all instances but it usually makes your case less severe. Technically I think that the flu shot is considered a "vaccine." I think that with a virus like Covid it will be hard to develop a true vaccine because it mutates so quickly. things like Chicken Pox and Polio did not mutate as quickly as this does.
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Re: No, Vaccinated People Are Not ‘Just as Likely’ to Spread the Coronavirus as Unvaccinated People
Posted by MrsWoods
Why do we keep calling this a vaccine when its not?! It obvoiusly was never built to prevent you from getting it or passing it to someone else so why label it as a vaccine.
Fyi, i am not anti vaccine. If there is a good one that takes this Covid down then i'm all for it. What I am is anti BullSh!t..
Vaccines elicit an immune response. That’s exactly what the covid vaccine does.
Many vaccines require multiple doses spread out over a period of time. Childhood vaccines are usually a series of vaccinations over a period of years. The covid vaccine was administered close together to boost people’s immunity quickly because we’re in a midst of a pandemic that has killed millions of people. As of now, a booster isn’t even recommended for everyone.
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Re: No, Vaccinated People Are Not ‘Just as Likely’ to Spread the Coronavirus as Unvaccinated People
I don't agree with the mandate at all. My body my choice doesn't apply here?
Why should someone who already has the antibodies be forced to have a vaccine they don't agree with?
My BFF is an RN in SC and contracted COVID BEFORE the vaccine was available. She just had bloodwork done and still has a high load of antibodies. Why should she get the vaccine?
Forcing everyone to get this vaccine without any exemptions is ridiculous. They want everyone to follow the science, but not if it goes agains their rules? Craziness.
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Re: No, Vaccinated People Are Not ‘Just as Likely’ to Spread the Coronavirus as Unvaccinated People
Posted by Mill188
I don't agree with the mandate at all. My body my choice doesn't apply here?
Why should someone who already has the antibodies be forced to have a vaccine they don't agree with?
My BFF is an RN in SC and contracted COVID BEFORE the vaccine was available. She just had bloodwork done and still has a high load of antibodies. Why should she get the vaccine?
Forcing everyone to get this vaccine without any exemptions is ridiculous. They want everyone to follow the science, but not if it goes agains their rules? Craziness.
Putting all other opinions aside...you should ABSOLUTELY be allowed to show current blood work that shows antibodies above a certain threshold instead of vaccination proof in situations where vaccines are required.
Maybe you have to repeat that blood work every X number of months to show if it waned or whatnot but the fact that natural antibodies are not considered is mind boggling
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