No, Vaccinated People Are Not ‘Just as Likely’ to Spread the Coronavirus as Unvaccinated People
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Re: No, Vaccinated People Are Not ‘Just as Likely’ to Spread the Coronavirus as Unvaccinated People
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“The vaccine against polio can be up to 100% effective. According to the CDC, “Two doses of inactivated polio vaccine (IPV) are 90% effective or more against polio; three doses are 99% to 100% effective.”
“The MMR vaccine, which protects against measles, mumps, and rubella, is 97% effective at preventing measles when administered in two doses.”
Both of these common vaccines protect your for a lifetime. Covid vaccine is unknown and may lose effectiveness as time goes on and need for booster shots…like a flu “shot”.
At least for the MMR, it does not provide u with lifetime immunity. People can still get measles after vaccination, the same goes for mumps and rubella.
From CDC website:
“Duration of Protection
People who receive MMR vaccination according to the U.S. vaccination schedule are usually considered protected for life against measles and rubella.”
“Usually considered” does not necessarily mean lifetime protection. There have been documented cases of vaccinated people getting measles. One of the legislators from NY even opened up publicly about getting measles (twice) after being fully vaccinated when she was younger. Unfortunately this type of cases rarely see the light of day.
Believe me, I’m with u on this covid vaccine but we often forget that the same pharmaceutical companies that make these covid vaccines (with the exemption of the Moderna) are the same ones that make the vaccines that already exist and they are far from perfect. Also the close relationship between the government and Big Pharma is a strong one, and it’s been happening for a long time.
What I’m trying to convey is that this Covid “vaccine” is not truly a “vaccine”. At least not right now. After some years, I’m sure they will get it right as far as formulation, dosing and effectiveness and in the long run it may turn into a shot like the flu shot. But right now to compare it to the typical vaccine it is not close to what they are
I love the arguments about the word vaccine vs shot Amazing.
Because words matter. When you tell someone you are getting a vaccine, most people are thinking they are immune from the illness. If you say you are getting a shot, most people believe it will just lessen the symptoms. There is a huge difference and if the truth was told in the beginning then there may be less arguing over mandates and the end game and we can all start talking about this on the same playing field.
And I am not advocating against the shot. I had it. What I am advocating against is lies and the government tricking people into believing something that is not true.
What I don't understand is the mindset that anyone who got the vaccine is a sheep blindly following what the government wants us to do for whatever conspiracy theory folks think this is all a part of. I, for one, never once thought this vaccine would 100% prevent me or anyone else from contracting covid. What I chose was to listen to my personal doctor and my son's doctor and make a very educated decision for MY family based on what I felt was best for us and society during this pandemic. I wear a mask, I got my VACCINE, I will do whatever I can to help end this and I do not for ONE SECOND consider myself a sheep following orders.
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Re: No, Vaccinated People Are Not ‘Just as Likely’ to Spread the Coronavirus as Unvaccinated People
This picture makes me think of most of you anti Covid vaccine people: Wackos
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Re: No, Vaccinated People Are Not ‘Just as Likely’ to Spread the Coronavirus as Unvaccinated People
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“The vaccine against polio can be up to 100% effective. According to the CDC, “Two doses of inactivated polio vaccine (IPV) are 90% effective or more against polio; three doses are 99% to 100% effective.”
“The MMR vaccine, which protects against measles, mumps, and rubella, is 97% effective at preventing measles when administered in two doses.”
Both of these common vaccines protect your for a lifetime. Covid vaccine is unknown and may lose effectiveness as time goes on and need for booster shots…like a flu “shot”.
At least for the MMR, it does not provide u with lifetime immunity. People can still get measles after vaccination, the same goes for mumps and rubella.
From CDC website:
“Duration of Protection
People who receive MMR vaccination according to the U.S. vaccination schedule are usually considered protected for life against measles and rubella.”
“Usually considered” does not necessarily mean lifetime protection. There have been documented cases of vaccinated people getting measles. One of the legislators from NY even opened up publicly about getting measles (twice) after being fully vaccinated when she was younger. Unfortunately this type of cases rarely see the light of day.
Believe me, I’m with u on this covid vaccine but we often forget that the same pharmaceutical companies that make these covid vaccines (with the exemption of the Moderna) are the same ones that make the vaccines that already exist and they are far from perfect. Also the close relationship between the government and Big Pharma is a strong one, and it’s been happening for a long time.
What I’m trying to convey is that this Covid “vaccine” is not truly a “vaccine”. At least not right now. After some years, I’m sure they will get it right as far as formulation, dosing and effectiveness and in the long run it may turn into a shot like the flu shot. But right now to compare it to the typical vaccine it is not close to what they are
I love the arguments about the word vaccine vs shot Amazing.
Because words matter. When you tell someone you are getting a vaccine, most people are thinking they are immune from the illness. If you say you are getting a shot, most people believe it will just lessen the symptoms. There is a huge difference and if the truth was told in the beginning then there may be less arguing over mandates and the end game and we can all start talking about this on the same playing field.
And I am not advocating against the shot. I had it. What I am advocating against is lies and the government tricking people into believing something that is not true.
There is no difference in a shot or vaccine. Ask any doctor.
Maybe you want them to say *yearly* vaccine. But it’s still a vaccine.
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Re: No, Vaccinated People Are Not ‘Just as Likely’ to Spread the Coronavirus as Unvaccinated People
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I feel the ethical responsibility to say this….to those who are reading this post and truly just trying to find your own information to make the best decisions you can, I beg and implore you to please ask these questions to a physician. Preferably a family doctor that has privileges in a hospital and sees their own admitted patients. Not all doctors have a full grasp on the course of Covid unless they have followed their patients in the hospital setting from the very beginning of this pandemic. Please ask them what a “shot” vs a “vaccine” is. Ask all of the questions that may have come up from reading this post. I will not refute or point out the wealth of misinformation and lack of understanding of virology here but I beg you, for the health of yourselves and family and strangers you walk past in the supermarket(if you care) to ask these questions to an experienced physician that has followed the journey of Covid and the changing protocols and recommendations from the beginning. I don’t know what else to say. -ICU provider
Too bad many don’t get to make the decision for themselves. They are coerced into getting a vaccine to keep their job, finish their final year of college, etc…. Doesn’t matter if they have natural immunity or some sort of medical condition that might possibly be linked to side effects and they want to wait it out and see if THEY feel safe. They don’t have a decision.
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Re: No, Vaccinated People Are Not ‘Just as Likely’ to Spread the Coronavirus as Unvaccinated People
Posted by mommy2devin
Posted by KarenK122
Posted by Katareen
Posted by MrsWoods
Posted by soontobemommyof2
Posted by MrsWoods
Posted by soontobemommyof2
Posted by MrsWoods
“The vaccine against polio can be up to 100% effective. According to the CDC, “Two doses of inactivated polio vaccine (IPV) are 90% effective or more against polio; three doses are 99% to 100% effective.”
“The MMR vaccine, which protects against measles, mumps, and rubella, is 97% effective at preventing measles when administered in two doses.”
Both of these common vaccines protect your for a lifetime. Covid vaccine is unknown and may lose effectiveness as time goes on and need for booster shots…like a flu “shot”.
At least for the MMR, it does not provide u with lifetime immunity. People can still get measles after vaccination, the same goes for mumps and rubella.
From CDC website:
“Duration of Protection
People who receive MMR vaccination according to the U.S. vaccination schedule are usually considered protected for life against measles and rubella.”
“Usually considered” does not necessarily mean lifetime protection. There have been documented cases of vaccinated people getting measles. One of the legislators from NY even opened up publicly about getting measles (twice) after being fully vaccinated when she was younger. Unfortunately this type of cases rarely see the light of day.
Believe me, I’m with u on this covid vaccine but we often forget that the same pharmaceutical companies that make these covid vaccines (with the exemption of the Moderna) are the same ones that make the vaccines that already exist and they are far from perfect. Also the close relationship between the government and Big Pharma is a strong one, and it’s been happening for a long time.
What I’m trying to convey is that this Covid “vaccine” is not truly a “vaccine”. At least not right now. After some years, I’m sure they will get it right as far as formulation, dosing and effectiveness and in the long run it may turn into a shot like the flu shot. But right now to compare it to the typical vaccine it is not close to what they are
I love the arguments about the word vaccine vs shot Amazing.
Because words matter. When you tell someone you are getting a vaccine, most people are thinking they are immune from the illness. If you say you are getting a shot, most people believe it will just lessen the symptoms. There is a huge difference and if the truth was told in the beginning then there may be less arguing over mandates and the end game and we can all start talking about this on the same playing field.
And I am not advocating against the shot. I had it. What I am advocating against is lies and the government tricking people into believing something that is not true.
What I don't understand is the mindset that anyone who got the vaccine is a sheep blindly following what the government wants us to do for whatever conspiracy theory folks think this is all a part of. I, for one, never once thought this vaccine would 100% prevent me or anyone else from contracting covid. What I chose was to listen to my personal doctor and my son's doctor and make a very educated decision for MY family based on what I felt was best for us and society during this pandemic. I wear a mask, I got my VACCINE, I will do whatever I can to help end this and I do not for ONE SECOND consider myself a sheep following orders.
I can’t stand the “sheep” and “anti vax” comments. No one wants to see the other side and put themselves into anyone else’s shoes.
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Re: No, Vaccinated People Are Not ‘Just as Likely’ to Spread the Coronavirus as Unvaccinated People
Posted by Raging2020
Posted by mommy2devin
Posted by KarenK122
Posted by Katareen
Posted by MrsWoods
Posted by soontobemommyof2
Posted by MrsWoods
Posted by soontobemommyof2
Posted by MrsWoods
“The vaccine against polio can be up to 100% effective. According to the CDC, “Two doses of inactivated polio vaccine (IPV) are 90% effective or more against polio; three doses are 99% to 100% effective.”
“The MMR vaccine, which protects against measles, mumps, and rubella, is 97% effective at preventing measles when administered in two doses.”
Both of these common vaccines protect your for a lifetime. Covid vaccine is unknown and may lose effectiveness as time goes on and need for booster shots…like a flu “shot”.
At least for the MMR, it does not provide u with lifetime immunity. People can still get measles after vaccination, the same goes for mumps and rubella.
From CDC website:
“Duration of Protection
People who receive MMR vaccination according to the U.S. vaccination schedule are usually considered protected for life against measles and rubella.”
“Usually considered” does not necessarily mean lifetime protection. There have been documented cases of vaccinated people getting measles. One of the legislators from NY even opened up publicly about getting measles (twice) after being fully vaccinated when she was younger. Unfortunately this type of cases rarely see the light of day.
Believe me, I’m with u on this covid vaccine but we often forget that the same pharmaceutical companies that make these covid vaccines (with the exemption of the Moderna) are the same ones that make the vaccines that already exist and they are far from perfect. Also the close relationship between the government and Big Pharma is a strong one, and it’s been happening for a long time.
What I’m trying to convey is that this Covid “vaccine” is not truly a “vaccine”. At least not right now. After some years, I’m sure they will get it right as far as formulation, dosing and effectiveness and in the long run it may turn into a shot like the flu shot. But right now to compare it to the typical vaccine it is not close to what they are
I love the arguments about the word vaccine vs shot Amazing.
Because words matter. When you tell someone you are getting a vaccine, most people are thinking they are immune from the illness. If you say you are getting a shot, most people believe it will just lessen the symptoms. There is a huge difference and if the truth was told in the beginning then there may be less arguing over mandates and the end game and we can all start talking about this on the same playing field.
And I am not advocating against the shot. I had it. What I am advocating against is lies and the government tricking people into believing something that is not true.
What I don't understand is the mindset that anyone who got the vaccine is a sheep blindly following what the government wants us to do for whatever conspiracy theory folks think this is all a part of. I, for one, never once thought this vaccine would 100% prevent me or anyone else from contracting covid. What I chose was to listen to my personal doctor and my son's doctor and make a very educated decision for MY family based on what I felt was best for us and society during this pandemic. I wear a mask, I got my VACCINE, I will do whatever I can to help end this and I do not for ONE SECOND consider myself a sheep following orders.
I can’t stand the “sheep” and “anti vax” comments. No one wants to see the other side and put themselves into anyone else’s shoes.
The problem is that there is no “other side”. Everyone that is able should get vaccinated. This way, we will get out of this mess sooner rather than later. As a previous poster said, the vaccine is recommended by every physician that is worth their salt. The “other side” is fed by and thrives on disinformation and pure nonsense. For gods sake, just do your part and get us out of this mess
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Re: No, Vaccinated People Are Not ‘Just as Likely’ to Spread the Coronavirus as Unvaccinated People
Posted by whoababy11
Posted by Raging2020
Posted by mommy2devin
Posted by KarenK122
Posted by Katareen
Posted by MrsWoods
Posted by soontobemommyof2
Posted by MrsWoods
Posted by soontobemommyof2
Posted by MrsWoods
“The vaccine against polio can be up to 100% effective. According to the CDC, “Two doses of inactivated polio vaccine (IPV) are 90% effective or more against polio; three doses are 99% to 100% effective.”
“The MMR vaccine, which protects against measles, mumps, and rubella, is 97% effective at preventing measles when administered in two doses.”
Both of these common vaccines protect your for a lifetime. Covid vaccine is unknown and may lose effectiveness as time goes on and need for booster shots…like a flu “shot”.
At least for the MMR, it does not provide u with lifetime immunity. People can still get measles after vaccination, the same goes for mumps and rubella.
From CDC website:
“Duration of Protection
People who receive MMR vaccination according to the U.S. vaccination schedule are usually considered protected for life against measles and rubella.”
“Usually considered” does not necessarily mean lifetime protection. There have been documented cases of vaccinated people getting measles. One of the legislators from NY even opened up publicly about getting measles (twice) after being fully vaccinated when she was younger. Unfortunately this type of cases rarely see the light of day.
Believe me, I’m with u on this covid vaccine but we often forget that the same pharmaceutical companies that make these covid vaccines (with the exemption of the Moderna) are the same ones that make the vaccines that already exist and they are far from perfect. Also the close relationship between the government and Big Pharma is a strong one, and it’s been happening for a long time.
What I’m trying to convey is that this Covid “vaccine” is not truly a “vaccine”. At least not right now. After some years, I’m sure they will get it right as far as formulation, dosing and effectiveness and in the long run it may turn into a shot like the flu shot. But right now to compare it to the typical vaccine it is not close to what they are
I love the arguments about the word vaccine vs shot Amazing.
Because words matter. When you tell someone you are getting a vaccine, most people are thinking they are immune from the illness. If you say you are getting a shot, most people believe it will just lessen the symptoms. There is a huge difference and if the truth was told in the beginning then there may be less arguing over mandates and the end game and we can all start talking about this on the same playing field.
And I am not advocating against the shot. I had it. What I am advocating against is lies and the government tricking people into believing something that is not true.
What I don't understand is the mindset that anyone who got the vaccine is a sheep blindly following what the government wants us to do for whatever conspiracy theory folks think this is all a part of. I, for one, never once thought this vaccine would 100% prevent me or anyone else from contracting covid. What I chose was to listen to my personal doctor and my son's doctor and make a very educated decision for MY family based on what I felt was best for us and society during this pandemic. I wear a mask, I got my VACCINE, I will do whatever I can to help end this and I do not for ONE SECOND consider myself a sheep following orders.
I can’t stand the “sheep” and “anti vax” comments. No one wants to see the other side and put themselves into anyone else’s shoes.
The problem is that there is no “other side”. Everyone that is able should get vaccinated. This way, we will get out of this mess sooner rather than later. As a previous poster said, the vaccine is recommended by every physician that is worth their salt. The “other side” is fed by and thrives on disinformation and pure nonsense. For gods sake, just do your part and get us out of this mess
Like how Israel is out of it with their high vaccination rate? Oh. Ok. I'll make my appointment right now.
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Re: No, Vaccinated People Are Not ‘Just as Likely’ to Spread the Coronavirus as Unvaccinated People
Posted by whoababy11
Posted by Raging2020
Posted by mommy2devin
Posted by KarenK122
Posted by Katareen
Posted by MrsWoods
Posted by soontobemommyof2
Posted by MrsWoods
Posted by soontobemommyof2
Posted by MrsWoods
“The vaccine against polio can be up to 100% effective. According to the CDC, “Two doses of inactivated polio vaccine (IPV) are 90% effective or more against polio; three doses are 99% to 100% effective.”
“The MMR vaccine, which protects against measles, mumps, and rubella, is 97% effective at preventing measles when administered in two doses.”
Both of these common vaccines protect your for a lifetime. Covid vaccine is unknown and may lose effectiveness as time goes on and need for booster shots…like a flu “shot”.
At least for the MMR, it does not provide u with lifetime immunity. People can still get measles after vaccination, the same goes for mumps and rubella.
From CDC website:
“Duration of Protection
People who receive MMR vaccination according to the U.S. vaccination schedule are usually considered protected for life against measles and rubella.”
“Usually considered” does not necessarily mean lifetime protection. There have been documented cases of vaccinated people getting measles. One of the legislators from NY even opened up publicly about getting measles (twice) after being fully vaccinated when she was younger. Unfortunately this type of cases rarely see the light of day.
Believe me, I’m with u on this covid vaccine but we often forget that the same pharmaceutical companies that make these covid vaccines (with the exemption of the Moderna) are the same ones that make the vaccines that already exist and they are far from perfect. Also the close relationship between the government and Big Pharma is a strong one, and it’s been happening for a long time.
What I’m trying to convey is that this Covid “vaccine” is not truly a “vaccine”. At least not right now. After some years, I’m sure they will get it right as far as formulation, dosing and effectiveness and in the long run it may turn into a shot like the flu shot. But right now to compare it to the typical vaccine it is not close to what they are
I love the arguments about the word vaccine vs shot Amazing.
Because words matter. When you tell someone you are getting a vaccine, most people are thinking they are immune from the illness. If you say you are getting a shot, most people believe it will just lessen the symptoms. There is a huge difference and if the truth was told in the beginning then there may be less arguing over mandates and the end game and we can all start talking about this on the same playing field.
And I am not advocating against the shot. I had it. What I am advocating against is lies and the government tricking people into believing something that is not true.
What I don't understand is the mindset that anyone who got the vaccine is a sheep blindly following what the government wants us to do for whatever conspiracy theory folks think this is all a part of. I, for one, never once thought this vaccine would 100% prevent me or anyone else from contracting covid. What I chose was to listen to my personal doctor and my son's doctor and make a very educated decision for MY family based on what I felt was best for us and society during this pandemic. I wear a mask, I got my VACCINE, I will do whatever I can to help end this and I do not for ONE SECOND consider myself a sheep following orders.
I can’t stand the “sheep” and “anti vax” comments. No one wants to see the other side and put themselves into anyone else’s shoes.
The problem is that there is no “other side”. Everyone that is able should get vaccinated. This way, we will get out of this mess sooner rather than later. As a previous poster said, the vaccine is recommended by every physician that is worth their salt. The “other side” is fed by and thrives on disinformation and pure nonsense. For gods sake, just do your part and get us out of this mess
Just like you don’t like unvaccinated people pushing their side, many don’t want to hear this side either.
Your vaccine will wear off and you will be in the same predicament as an unvaccinated person.
That is NOT disinformation. You can do your own research to see they have already said 8 months is the average time. What month are you up to?
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Re: No, Vaccinated People Are Not ‘Just as Likely’ to Spread the Coronavirus as Unvaccinated People
Posted by NervousNell
Posted by whoababy11
Posted by Raging2020
Posted by mommy2devin
Posted by KarenK122
Posted by Katareen
Posted by MrsWoods
Posted by soontobemommyof2
Posted by MrsWoods
Posted by soontobemommyof2
Posted by MrsWoods
“The vaccine against polio can be up to 100% effective. According to the CDC, “Two doses of inactivated polio vaccine (IPV) are 90% effective or more against polio; three doses are 99% to 100% effective.”
“The MMR vaccine, which protects against measles, mumps, and rubella, is 97% effective at preventing measles when administered in two doses.”
Both of these common vaccines protect your for a lifetime. Covid vaccine is unknown and may lose effectiveness as time goes on and need for booster shots…like a flu “shot”.
At least for the MMR, it does not provide u with lifetime immunity. People can still get measles after vaccination, the same goes for mumps and rubella.
From CDC website:
“Duration of Protection
People who receive MMR vaccination according to the U.S. vaccination schedule are usually considered protected for life against measles and rubella.”
“Usually considered” does not necessarily mean lifetime protection. There have been documented cases of vaccinated people getting measles. One of the legislators from NY even opened up publicly about getting measles (twice) after being fully vaccinated when she was younger. Unfortunately this type of cases rarely see the light of day.
Believe me, I’m with u on this covid vaccine but we often forget that the same pharmaceutical companies that make these covid vaccines (with the exemption of the Moderna) are the same ones that make the vaccines that already exist and they are far from perfect. Also the close relationship between the government and Big Pharma is a strong one, and it’s been happening for a long time.
What I’m trying to convey is that this Covid “vaccine” is not truly a “vaccine”. At least not right now. After some years, I’m sure they will get it right as far as formulation, dosing and effectiveness and in the long run it may turn into a shot like the flu shot. But right now to compare it to the typical vaccine it is not close to what they are
I love the arguments about the word vaccine vs shot Amazing.
Because words matter. When you tell someone you are getting a vaccine, most people are thinking they are immune from the illness. If you say you are getting a shot, most people believe it will just lessen the symptoms. There is a huge difference and if the truth was told in the beginning then there may be less arguing over mandates and the end game and we can all start talking about this on the same playing field.
And I am not advocating against the shot. I had it. What I am advocating against is lies and the government tricking people into believing something that is not true.
What I don't understand is the mindset that anyone who got the vaccine is a sheep blindly following what the government wants us to do for whatever conspiracy theory folks think this is all a part of. I, for one, never once thought this vaccine would 100% prevent me or anyone else from contracting covid. What I chose was to listen to my personal doctor and my son's doctor and make a very educated decision for MY family based on what I felt was best for us and society during this pandemic. I wear a mask, I got my VACCINE, I will do whatever I can to help end this and I do not for ONE SECOND consider myself a sheep following orders.
I can’t stand the “sheep” and “anti vax” comments. No one wants to see the other side and put themselves into anyone else’s shoes.
The problem is that there is no “other side”. Everyone that is able should get vaccinated. This way, we will get out of this mess sooner rather than later. As a previous poster said, the vaccine is recommended by every physician that is worth their salt. The “other side” is fed by and thrives on disinformation and pure nonsense. For gods sake, just do your part and get us out of this mess
Like how Israel is out of it with their high vaccination rate? Oh. Ok. I'll make my appointment right now.
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Re: No, Vaccinated People Are Not ‘Just as Likely’ to Spread the Coronavirus as Unvaccinated People
Posted by whoababy11
This picture makes me think of most of you anti Covid vaccine people: Wackos
Wow! Some people are really beyond crazy. The thought process behind that sign is disgusting
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whoababy11
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Re: No, Vaccinated People Are Not ‘Just as Likely’ to Spread the Coronavirus as Unvaccinated People
Posted by windyweather21
Posted by whoababy11
Posted by Raging2020
Posted by mommy2devin
Posted by KarenK122
Posted by Katareen
Posted by MrsWoods
Posted by soontobemommyof2
Posted by MrsWoods
Posted by soontobemommyof2
Posted by MrsWoods
“The vaccine against polio can be up to 100% effective. According to the CDC, “Two doses of inactivated polio vaccine (IPV) are 90% effective or more against polio; three doses are 99% to 100% effective.”
“The MMR vaccine, which protects against measles, mumps, and rubella, is 97% effective at preventing measles when administered in two doses.”
Both of these common vaccines protect your for a lifetime. Covid vaccine is unknown and may lose effectiveness as time goes on and need for booster shots…like a flu “shot”.
At least for the MMR, it does not provide u with lifetime immunity. People can still get measles after vaccination, the same goes for mumps and rubella.
From CDC website:
“Duration of Protection
People who receive MMR vaccination according to the U.S. vaccination schedule are usually considered protected for life against measles and rubella.”
“Usually considered” does not necessarily mean lifetime protection. There have been documented cases of vaccinated people getting measles. One of the legislators from NY even opened up publicly about getting measles (twice) after being fully vaccinated when she was younger. Unfortunately this type of cases rarely see the light of day.
Believe me, I’m with u on this covid vaccine but we often forget that the same pharmaceutical companies that make these covid vaccines (with the exemption of the Moderna) are the same ones that make the vaccines that already exist and they are far from perfect. Also the close relationship between the government and Big Pharma is a strong one, and it’s been happening for a long time.
What I’m trying to convey is that this Covid “vaccine” is not truly a “vaccine”. At least not right now. After some years, I’m sure they will get it right as far as formulation, dosing and effectiveness and in the long run it may turn into a shot like the flu shot. But right now to compare it to the typical vaccine it is not close to what they are
I love the arguments about the word vaccine vs shot Amazing.
Because words matter. When you tell someone you are getting a vaccine, most people are thinking they are immune from the illness. If you say you are getting a shot, most people believe it will just lessen the symptoms. There is a huge difference and if the truth was told in the beginning then there may be less arguing over mandates and the end game and we can all start talking about this on the same playing field.
And I am not advocating against the shot. I had it. What I am advocating against is lies and the government tricking people into believing something that is not true.
What I don't understand is the mindset that anyone who got the vaccine is a sheep blindly following what the government wants us to do for whatever conspiracy theory folks think this is all a part of. I, for one, never once thought this vaccine would 100% prevent me or anyone else from contracting covid. What I chose was to listen to my personal doctor and my son's doctor and make a very educated decision for MY family based on what I felt was best for us and society during this pandemic. I wear a mask, I got my VACCINE, I will do whatever I can to help end this and I do not for ONE SECOND consider myself a sheep following orders.
I can’t stand the “sheep” and “anti vax” comments. No one wants to see the other side and put themselves into anyone else’s shoes.
The problem is that there is no “other side”. Everyone that is able should get vaccinated. This way, we will get out of this mess sooner rather than later. As a previous poster said, the vaccine is recommended by every physician that is worth their salt. The “other side” is fed by and thrives on disinformation and pure nonsense. For gods sake, just do your part and get us out of this mess
Just like you don’t like unvaccinated people pushing their side, many don’t want to hear this side either.
Your vaccine will wear off and you will be in the same predicament as an unvaccinated person.
That is NOT disinformation. You can do your own research to see they have already said 8 months is the average time. What month are you up to?
I am immunocompromised so I already got my booster. I will never be in the same position as an unvaccinated person. Mainly because I am not a moron
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Posted 9/27/21 8:23 PM |
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whoababy11
it's only forever
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Re: No, Vaccinated People Are Not ‘Just as Likely’ to Spread the Coronavirus as Unvaccinated People
Posted by chilltocam
Posted by whoababy11
This picture makes me think of most of you anti Covid vaccine people: Wackos
Wow! Some people are really beyond crazy. The thought process behind that sign is disgusting
Just like the 5 or 6 people on this site who dominate these posts with their wacked out ideas about “control” and “mah freedumbs”
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Posted 9/27/21 8:24 PM |
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soontobemommyof2
My boys...my everything <3
Member since 4/15 3635 total posts
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Re: No, Vaccinated People Are Not ‘Just as Likely’ to Spread the Coronavirus as Unvaccinated People
Posted by Raging2020
Posted by LastLightGlow
I feel the ethical responsibility to say this….to those who are reading this post and truly just trying to find your own information to make the best decisions you can, I beg and implore you to please ask these questions to a physician. Preferably a family doctor that has privileges in a hospital and sees their own admitted patients. Not all doctors have a full grasp on the course of Covid unless they have followed their patients in the hospital setting from the very beginning of this pandemic. Please ask them what a “shot” vs a “vaccine” is. Ask all of the questions that may have come up from reading this post. I will not refute or point out the wealth of misinformation and lack of understanding of virology here but I beg you, for the health of yourselves and family and strangers you walk past in the supermarket(if you care) to ask these questions to an experienced physician that has followed the journey of Covid and the changing protocols and recommendations from the beginning. I don’t know what else to say. -ICU provider
Too bad many don’t get to make the decision for themselves. They are coerced into getting a vaccine to keep their job, finish their final year of college, etc…. Doesn’t matter if they have natural immunity or some sort of medical condition that might possibly be linked to side effects and they want to wait it out and see if THEY feel safe. They don’t have a decision.
Like this nurse assistant in Stony Brook
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Posted 9/27/21 8:30 PM |
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soontobemommyof2
My boys...my everything <3
Member since 4/15 3635 total posts
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Re: No, Vaccinated People Are Not ‘Just as Likely’ to Spread the Coronavirus as Unvaccinated People
Posted by windyweather21
Posted by whoababy11
Posted by Raging2020
Posted by mommy2devin
Posted by KarenK122
Posted by Katareen
Posted by MrsWoods
Posted by soontobemommyof2
Posted by MrsWoods
Posted by soontobemommyof2
Posted by MrsWoods
“The vaccine against polio can be up to 100% effective. According to the CDC, “Two doses of inactivated polio vaccine (IPV) are 90% effective or more against polio; three doses are 99% to 100% effective.”
“The MMR vaccine, which protects against measles, mumps, and rubella, is 97% effective at preventing measles when administered in two doses.”
Both of these common vaccines protect your for a lifetime. Covid vaccine is unknown and may lose effectiveness as time goes on and need for booster shots…like a flu “shot”.
At least for the MMR, it does not provide u with lifetime immunity. People can still get measles after vaccination, the same goes for mumps and rubella.
From CDC website:
“Duration of Protection
People who receive MMR vaccination according to the U.S. vaccination schedule are usually considered protected for life against measles and rubella.”
“Usually considered” does not necessarily mean lifetime protection. There have been documented cases of vaccinated people getting measles. One of the legislators from NY even opened up publicly about getting measles (twice) after being fully vaccinated when she was younger. Unfortunately this type of cases rarely see the light of day.
Believe me, I’m with u on this covid vaccine but we often forget that the same pharmaceutical companies that make these covid vaccines (with the exemption of the Moderna) are the same ones that make the vaccines that already exist and they are far from perfect. Also the close relationship between the government and Big Pharma is a strong one, and it’s been happening for a long time.
What I’m trying to convey is that this Covid “vaccine” is not truly a “vaccine”. At least not right now. After some years, I’m sure they will get it right as far as formulation, dosing and effectiveness and in the long run it may turn into a shot like the flu shot. But right now to compare it to the typical vaccine it is not close to what they are
I love the arguments about the word vaccine vs shot Amazing.
Because words matter. When you tell someone you are getting a vaccine, most people are thinking they are immune from the illness. If you say you are getting a shot, most people believe it will just lessen the symptoms. There is a huge difference and if the truth was told in the beginning then there may be less arguing over mandates and the end game and we can all start talking about this on the same playing field.
And I am not advocating against the shot. I had it. What I am advocating against is lies and the government tricking people into believing something that is not true.
What I don't understand is the mindset that anyone who got the vaccine is a sheep blindly following what the government wants us to do for whatever conspiracy theory folks think this is all a part of. I, for one, never once thought this vaccine would 100% prevent me or anyone else from contracting covid. What I chose was to listen to my personal doctor and my son's doctor and make a very educated decision for MY family based on what I felt was best for us and society during this pandemic. I wear a mask, I got my VACCINE, I will do whatever I can to help end this and I do not for ONE SECOND consider myself a sheep following orders.
I can’t stand the “sheep” and “anti vax” comments. No one wants to see the other side and put themselves into anyone else’s shoes.
The problem is that there is no “other side”. Everyone that is able should get vaccinated. This way, we will get out of this mess sooner rather than later. As a previous poster said, the vaccine is recommended by every physician that is worth their salt. The “other side” is fed by and thrives on disinformation and pure nonsense. For gods sake, just do your part and get us out of this mess
Just like you don’t like unvaccinated people pushing their side, many don’t want to hear this side either.
Your vaccine will wear off and you will be in the same predicament as an unvaccinated person.
That is NOT disinformation. You can do your own research to see they have already said 8 months is the average time. What month are you up to?
And u don’t have to be a “physician” to know that. Whatttttttt?!?!? No wayyyyy?!?!?!? Mind blowing!!!!!!!!
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Posted 9/27/21 8:36 PM |
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Re: No, Vaccinated People Are Not ‘Just as Likely’ to Spread the Coronavirus as Unvaccinated People
Posted by whoababy11
Posted by windyweather21
Posted by whoababy11
Posted by Raging2020
Posted by mommy2devin
Posted by KarenK122
Posted by Katareen
Posted by MrsWoods
Posted by soontobemommyof2
Posted by MrsWoods
Posted by soontobemommyof2
Posted by MrsWoods
“The vaccine against polio can be up to 100% effective. According to the CDC, “Two doses of inactivated polio vaccine (IPV) are 90% effective or more against polio; three doses are 99% to 100% effective.”
“The MMR vaccine, which protects against measles, mumps, and rubella, is 97% effective at preventing measles when administered in two doses.”
Both of these common vaccines protect your for a lifetime. Covid vaccine is unknown and may lose effectiveness as time goes on and need for booster shots…like a flu “shot”.
At least for the MMR, it does not provide u with lifetime immunity. People can still get measles after vaccination, the same goes for mumps and rubella.
From CDC website:
“Duration of Protection
People who receive MMR vaccination according to the U.S. vaccination schedule are usually considered protected for life against measles and rubella.”
“Usually considered” does not necessarily mean lifetime protection. There have been documented cases of vaccinated people getting measles. One of the legislators from NY even opened up publicly about getting measles (twice) after being fully vaccinated when she was younger. Unfortunately this type of cases rarely see the light of day.
Believe me, I’m with u on this covid vaccine but we often forget that the same pharmaceutical companies that make these covid vaccines (with the exemption of the Moderna) are the same ones that make the vaccines that already exist and they are far from perfect. Also the close relationship between the government and Big Pharma is a strong one, and it’s been happening for a long time.
What I’m trying to convey is that this Covid “vaccine” is not truly a “vaccine”. At least not right now. After some years, I’m sure they will get it right as far as formulation, dosing and effectiveness and in the long run it may turn into a shot like the flu shot. But right now to compare it to the typical vaccine it is not close to what they are
I love the arguments about the word vaccine vs shot Amazing.
Because words matter. When you tell someone you are getting a vaccine, most people are thinking they are immune from the illness. If you say you are getting a shot, most people believe it will just lessen the symptoms. There is a huge difference and if the truth was told in the beginning then there may be less arguing over mandates and the end game and we can all start talking about this on the same playing field.
And I am not advocating against the shot. I had it. What I am advocating against is lies and the government tricking people into believing something that is not true.
What I don't understand is the mindset that anyone who got the vaccine is a sheep blindly following what the government wants us to do for whatever conspiracy theory folks think this is all a part of. I, for one, never once thought this vaccine would 100% prevent me or anyone else from contracting covid. What I chose was to listen to my personal doctor and my son's doctor and make a very educated decision for MY family based on what I felt was best for us and society during this pandemic. I wear a mask, I got my VACCINE, I will do whatever I can to help end this and I do not for ONE SECOND consider myself a sheep following orders.
I can’t stand the “sheep” and “anti vax” comments. No one wants to see the other side and put themselves into anyone else’s shoes.
The problem is that there is no “other side”. Everyone that is able should get vaccinated. This way, we will get out of this mess sooner rather than later. As a previous poster said, the vaccine is recommended by every physician that is worth their salt. The “other side” is fed by and thrives on disinformation and pure nonsense. For gods sake, just do your part and get us out of this mess
Just like you don’t like unvaccinated people pushing their side, many don’t want to hear this side either.
Your vaccine will wear off and you will be in the same predicament as an unvaccinated person.
That is NOT disinformation. You can do your own research to see they have already said 8 months is the average time. What month are you up to?
I am immunocompromised so I already got my booster. I will never be in the same position as an unvaccinated person. Mainly because I am not a moron
So how long did they say the booster lasts? You know it is just a 3rd shot to boost your immune system.
That’s great if you need it, many don’t so they are not morons and were not morons before this.
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Posted 9/27/21 8:42 PM |
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NervousNell
Just another chapter in life..
Member since 11/09 54921 total posts
Name: ..being a mommy and being a wife!
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Re: No, Vaccinated People Are Not ‘Just as Likely’ to Spread the Coronavirus as Unvaccinated People
Posted by whoababy11
Posted by chilltocam
Posted by whoababy11
This picture makes me think of most of you anti Covid vaccine people: Wackos
Wow! Some people are really beyond crazy. The thought process behind that sign is disgusting
Just like the 5 or 6 people on this site who dominate these posts with their wacked out ideas about “control” and “mah freedumbs”
Since this is directed at me I'm sure, I'll address it. I don't think the government is trying to "control " me with anything. I don't talk about my freedoms. I don't think it's a conspiracy. I chose not to get it at this time. That may change down the road But your ASSumptions, (since you like your little plays on words, sooooo cute and clever!!) are hilarious.
And just so you know, your tactics, of coming on here and calling people morons etc, isn't helping your cause. If anything, I want this vaccine even less, due to nasty bitchess like you.
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Posted 9/27/21 8:43 PM |
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Re: No, Vaccinated People Are Not ‘Just as Likely’ to Spread the Coronavirus as Unvaccinated People
Posted by soontobemommyof2
Posted by windyweather21
Posted by whoababy11
Posted by Raging2020
Posted by mommy2devin
Posted by KarenK122
Posted by Katareen
Posted by MrsWoods
Posted by soontobemommyof2
Posted by MrsWoods
Posted by soontobemommyof2
Posted by MrsWoods
“The vaccine against polio can be up to 100% effective. According to the CDC, “Two doses of inactivated polio vaccine (IPV) are 90% effective or more against polio; three doses are 99% to 100% effective.”
“The MMR vaccine, which protects against measles, mumps, and rubella, is 97% effective at preventing measles when administered in two doses.”
Both of these common vaccines protect your for a lifetime. Covid vaccine is unknown and may lose effectiveness as time goes on and need for booster shots…like a flu “shot”.
At least for the MMR, it does not provide u with lifetime immunity. People can still get measles after vaccination, the same goes for mumps and rubella.
From CDC website:
“Duration of Protection
People who receive MMR vaccination according to the U.S. vaccination schedule are usually considered protected for life against measles and rubella.”
“Usually considered” does not necessarily mean lifetime protection. There have been documented cases of vaccinated people getting measles. One of the legislators from NY even opened up publicly about getting measles (twice) after being fully vaccinated when she was younger. Unfortunately this type of cases rarely see the light of day.
Believe me, I’m with u on this covid vaccine but we often forget that the same pharmaceutical companies that make these covid vaccines (with the exemption of the Moderna) are the same ones that make the vaccines that already exist and they are far from perfect. Also the close relationship between the government and Big Pharma is a strong one, and it’s been happening for a long time.
What I’m trying to convey is that this Covid “vaccine” is not truly a “vaccine”. At least not right now. After some years, I’m sure they will get it right as far as formulation, dosing and effectiveness and in the long run it may turn into a shot like the flu shot. But right now to compare it to the typical vaccine it is not close to what they are
I love the arguments about the word vaccine vs shot Amazing.
Because words matter. When you tell someone you are getting a vaccine, most people are thinking they are immune from the illness. If you say you are getting a shot, most people believe it will just lessen the symptoms. There is a huge difference and if the truth was told in the beginning then there may be less arguing over mandates and the end game and we can all start talking about this on the same playing field.
And I am not advocating against the shot. I had it. What I am advocating against is lies and the government tricking people into believing something that is not true.
What I don't understand is the mindset that anyone who got the vaccine is a sheep blindly following what the government wants us to do for whatever conspiracy theory folks think this is all a part of. I, for one, never once thought this vaccine would 100% prevent me or anyone else from contracting covid. What I chose was to listen to my personal doctor and my son's doctor and make a very educated decision for MY family based on what I felt was best for us and society during this pandemic. I wear a mask, I got my VACCINE, I will do whatever I can to help end this and I do not for ONE SECOND consider myself a sheep following orders.
I can’t stand the “sheep” and “anti vax” comments. No one wants to see the other side and put themselves into anyone else’s shoes.
The problem is that there is no “other side”. Everyone that is able should get vaccinated. This way, we will get out of this mess sooner rather than later. As a previous poster said, the vaccine is recommended by every physician that is worth their salt. The “other side” is fed by and thrives on disinformation and pure nonsense. For gods sake, just do your part and get us out of this mess
Just like you don’t like unvaccinated people pushing their side, many don’t want to hear this side either.
Your vaccine will wear off and you will be in the same predicament as an unvaccinated person.
That is NOT disinformation. You can do your own research to see they have already said 8 months is the average time. What month are you up to?
And u don’t have to be a “physician” to know that. Whatttttttt?!?!? No wayyyyy?!?!?!? Mind blowing!!!!!!!!
Don’t you know that everyone else are just morons though.
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Posted 9/27/21 8:44 PM |
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jellybean78
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Member since 8/06 13103 total posts
Name: Mommy
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Re: No, Vaccinated People Are Not ‘Just as Likely’ to Spread the Coronavirus as Unvaccinated People
Posted by NervousNell
Posted by whoababy11
Posted by chilltocam
Posted by whoababy11
This picture makes me think of most of you anti Covid vaccine people: Wackos
Wow! Some people are really beyond crazy. The thought process behind that sign is disgusting
Just like the 5 or 6 people on this site who dominate these posts with their wacked out ideas about “control” and “mah freedumbs”
Since this is directed at me I'm sure, I'll address it. I don't think the government is trying to "control " me with anything. I don't talk about my freedoms. I don't think it's a conspiracy. I chose not to get it at this time. That may change down the road But your ASSumptions, (since you like your little plays on words, sooooo cute and clever!!) are hilarious.
And just so you know, your tactics, of coming on here and calling people morons etc, isn't helping your cause. If anything, I want this vaccine even less, due to nasty bitchess like you.
For real. Dumbass people like her with no thought process be thinking their words mean shittt...if anything she just keeps proving how much of a clown she is. LOL at thinking she would change anyones mind
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Posted 9/27/21 11:27 PM |
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Re: No, Vaccinated People Are Not ‘Just as Likely’ to Spread the Coronavirus as Unvaccinated People
Posted by jellybean78
Posted by NervousNell
Posted by whoababy11
Posted by chilltocam
Posted by whoababy11
This picture makes me think of most of you anti Covid vaccine people: Wackos
Wow! Some people are really beyond crazy. The thought process behind that sign is disgusting
Just like the 5 or 6 people on this site who dominate these posts with their wacked out ideas about “control” and “mah freedumbs”
Since this is directed at me I'm sure, I'll address it. I don't think the government is trying to "control " me with anything. I don't talk about my freedoms. I don't think it's a conspiracy. I chose not to get it at this time. That may change down the road But your ASSumptions, (since you like your little plays on words, sooooo cute and clever!!) are hilarious.
And just so you know, your tactics, of coming on here and calling people morons etc, isn't helping your cause. If anything, I want this vaccine even less, due to nasty bitchess like you.
For real. Dumbass people like her with no thought process be thinking their words mean shittt...if anything she just keeps proving how much of a clown she is. LOL at thinking she would change anyones mind
Just another poster who is a bully and controlling who thinks everyone needs to listen to them and do what they say. Has a temper tantrum when they don’t get their way. I wonder if she calls people morons to their faces IRL. I doubt it.
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Posted 9/28/21 7:02 AM |
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klingklang77
kraftwerk!
Member since 7/06 11487 total posts
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Re: No, Vaccinated People Are Not ‘Just as Likely’ to Spread the Coronavirus as Unvaccinated People
Posted by NervousNell If anything, I want this vaccine even less, due to nasty bitchess like you.
That’s an interesting point to bring about. This is not directed at you Nell, just in general. I’m actually swaying towards mandates for vaccines for kids now. Contrary to popular belief, I get to vote in NY still.
I just got all my stimulus checks now, too, after some additional paperwork. Thanks America! That money mostly will go back to the German economy, lol. Makes no sense, but whatever.
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Posted 9/28/21 7:18 AM |
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NervousNell
Just another chapter in life..
Member since 11/09 54921 total posts
Name: ..being a mommy and being a wife!
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Re: No, Vaccinated People Are Not ‘Just as Likely’ to Spread the Coronavirus as Unvaccinated People
Posted by klingklang77
Posted by NervousNell If anything, I want this vaccine even less, due to nasty bitchess like you.
That’s an interesting point to bring about. This is not directed at you Nell, just in general. I’m actually swaying towards mandates for vaccines for kids now. Contrary to popular belief, I get to vote in NY still.
I just got all my stimulus checks now, too, after some additional paperwork. Thanks America! That money mostly will go back to the German economy, lol. Makes no sense, but whatever.
Why for kids though? What is swaying you towards that?
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Posted 9/28/21 7:31 AM |
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ali120206
2 Boys
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Re: No, Vaccinated People Are Not ‘Just as Likely’ to Spread the Coronavirus as Unvaccinated People
Posted by NervousNell
Posted by klingklang77
Posted by NervousNell If anything, I want this vaccine even less, due to nasty bitchess like you.
That’s an interesting point to bring about. This is not directed at you Nell, just in general. I’m actually swaying towards mandates for vaccines for kids now. Contrary to popular belief, I get to vote in NY still.
I just got all my stimulus checks now, too, after some additional paperwork. Thanks America! That money mostly will go back to the German economy, lol. Makes no sense, but whatever.
Why for kids though? What is swaying you towards that?
Yes why? And I don’t think they are something you can vote on. They are imposed by our state dictator, I mean Governor.
ETA - if there was proof that maybe this would end the pandemic it makes sense but… we all know that won’t happen.
Message edited 9/28/2021 7:40:41 AM.
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Posted 9/28/21 7:38 AM |
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klingklang77
kraftwerk!
Member since 7/06 11487 total posts
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Re: No, Vaccinated People Are Not ‘Just as Likely’ to Spread the Coronavirus as Unvaccinated People
Posted by ali120206
Posted by NervousNell
Posted by klingklang77
Posted by NervousNell If anything, I want this vaccine even less, due to nasty bitchess like you.
That’s an interesting point to bring about. This is not directed at you Nell, just in general. I’m actually swaying towards mandates for vaccines for kids now. Contrary to popular belief, I get to vote in NY still.
I just got all my stimulus checks now, too, after some additional paperwork. Thanks America! That money mostly will go back to the German economy, lol. Makes no sense, but whatever.
Why for kids though? What is swaying you towards that?
Yes why? And I don’t think they are something you can vote on. They are imposed by our state dictator, I mean Governor.
ETA - if there was proof that maybe this would end the pandemic it makes sense but… we all know that won’t happen.
I can vote for elected officials who support that.
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Posted 9/28/21 7:57 AM |
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Diane
Hope is Contagious....catch it
Member since 5/05 30683 total posts
Name: D
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Re: No, Vaccinated People Are Not ‘Just as Likely’ to Spread the Coronavirus as Unvaccinated People
Posted by klingklang77
Posted by NervousNell If anything, I want this vaccine even less, due to nasty bitchess like you.
That’s an interesting point to bring about. This is not directed at you Nell, just in general. I’m actually swaying towards mandates for vaccines for kids now. Contrary to popular belief, I get to vote in NY still.
I just got all my stimulus checks now, too, after some additional paperwork. Thanks America! That money mostly will go back to the German economy, lol. Makes no sense, but whatever.
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Posted 9/28/21 7:59 AM |
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Re: No, Vaccinated People Are Not ‘Just as Likely’ to Spread the Coronavirus as Unvaccinated People
Posted by klingklang77
Posted by ali120206
Posted by NervousNell
Posted by klingklang77
Posted by NervousNell If anything, I want this vaccine even less, due to nasty bitchess like you.
That’s an interesting point to bring about. This is not directed at you Nell, just in general. I’m actually swaying towards mandates for vaccines for kids now. Contrary to popular belief, I get to vote in NY still.
I just got all my stimulus checks now, too, after some additional paperwork. Thanks America! That money mostly will go back to the German economy, lol. Makes no sense, but whatever.
Why for kids though? What is swaying you towards that?
Yes why? And I don’t think they are something you can vote on. They are imposed by our state dictator, I mean Governor.
ETA - if there was proof that maybe this would end the pandemic it makes sense but… we all know that won’t happen.
I can vote for elected officials who support that.
If you have made your life in Germany, why would you want to vote for people that won't really affect you?
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