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Obama's Healthcare reform plan
$10 billion dollars a year allocated to update technology??? He doesn't say where he plans to get it.
Tons of great vision, no explaination of where he'll get the money to do it!
An article I enjoyed
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I still think we will pay either way, I'd rather have someone tell me its coming before they stick it in my azz.
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Re: Obama's Healthcare reform plan
Just for clarification, your second link to an internet pub is skewed to the Right.
All of their other "articles" are pro-McCain, anti-Obama.
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sunnyplus3
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Posted by Cpt2007
Just for clarification, your second link to an internet pub is skewed to the Right.
All of their other "articles" are pro-McCain, anti-Obama.
Whichever way its skewed, I enjoyed it. The media has totally favored Obama over McCain, some people enjoy that.
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Re: Obama's Healthcare reform plan
Message edited 11/21/2011 8:47:42 PM.
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Re: Obama's Healthcare reform plan
Posted by imthekevinofcindyandkevin
If people are going to post 'facts' please let them be facts and not some ones opinion, blog etc.
thanks
Are you going to post the same on the thread based on the op-ed piece about McCain's health care policy?
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Re: Obama's Healthcare reform plan
Posted by imthekevinofcindyandkevin
If people are going to post 'facts' please let them be facts and not some ones opinion, blog etc.
thanks
If you are talking about my link to an internet article I never claimed it to be a FACT. I CLEARLY said it was something I enjoyed, are we no longer allowed to share anything that isn't a confirmed fact on all subjects & topics? I missed the memo on that. My first link was to Obamas actual website, I'm hoping he's got facts on there & I'm still looking for the section where he describes how he'll pay for his master plan.
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Posted by KellyFG
hoping he's got facts on there & I'm still looking for the section where he describes how he'll pay for his master plan.
Kelly, really, that is missing from McCain's website too.
this is ridiculous. it's a pure slander post, which is fine...but call a spade a spade.
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Re: Obama's Healthcare reform plan
Posted by Kara
Posted by imthekevinofcindyandkevin
If people are going to post 'facts' please let them be facts and not some ones opinion, blog etc.
thanks
Are you going to post the same on the thread based on the op-ed piece about McCain's health care policy?
I clearly posted- from the NYtimes/OpEd... unless people don't know what an OpEd is 
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Re: Obama's Healthcare reform plan
Posted by Sassyz75
Posted by Kara
Posted by imthekevinofcindyandkevin
If people are going to post 'facts' please let them be facts and not some ones opinion, blog etc.
thanks
Are you going to post the same on the thread based on the op-ed piece about McCain's health care policy?
I clearly posted- from the NYtimes/OpEd... unless people don't know what an OpEd is
I didn't say you didn't. I am trying to see if his problem is with people posting opinions or what...
You did clearly say it was op-ed. I don't see why Kelly can't also post opinions...
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Re: Obama's Healthcare reform plan
McCain may not have it on his website but he has acknowledged that he may need to tax our income that goes toward our premiums.
As I said, I (and I'm speaking for myself) would RATHER know how a candidate plans to tax me in advance. IMO it helps me to weigh the candidates better. I'm not into surprises.
And really my opinion & the meat of this topic is hardly different from the other healthcare "shocker"
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Re: Obama's Healthcare reform plan
If people can post opinion threads on one candidate, they should be able to do so for the other as well.
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Message edited 11/21/2011 8:48:19 PM.
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Re: Obama's Healthcare reform plan
I just wanted to add...I posted the link and the content of factchecker's info on the McCain plan.
while the op ed piece was certainly skewed in it's prose...the facts were correct.
I love doing that. backing up opinions with fact. it's fun.
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Re: Obama's Healthcare reform plan
well, Mr. Deregulation, along with his pal and financial advisor gramm never mentioned where the well over 100 billion for financial / mortgage bailout money would come from following their introduction and vote for the deregulation of the banking, securites, and insurance industries in 1999......
If I understand correctly, McCain is proposing to deregulate the health insurance industry too..... so employers no longer contribute, and instead we get a 'tax credit for health care costs' (which are approx 5k when it costs 11k to cover a family)... and state laws (garanteeing coverage to those with pre-existing or catastrophic medical conditions remain covered) are abolished.
the taxpayers always pay either way.......
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Posted by Ophelia
I just wanted to add...I posted the link and the content of factchecker's info on the McCain plan.
while the op ed piece was certainly skewed in it's prose...the facts were correct.
I love doing that. backing up opinions with fact. it's fun.
you seem to be much more informed about both candidates, perhaps you know where I can find the information about how Sen. Obama & Sen. Biden plan to finance their plan. I'm dead serious BTW
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Posted by wannabemom
well, Mr. Deregulation, along with his pal and financial advisor gramm never mentioned where the well over 100 billion for financial / mortgage bailout money would come from following their introduction and vote for the deregulation of the banking, securites, and insurance industries......
If I understand correctly, McCain is proposing to deregulate the health insurance industry too..... so employers no longer contribute, and instead we get a 'tax credit for health care costs' (which are approx 5k when it costs 11k to cover a family)... and state laws garanteeing coverage to those with pre-existing or catastrophic medical conditions remain covered.
the taxpayers always pay either way.......
we agree, taxpayers WILL pay!
And for the record for over 5 years I paid over $12,000 per year for family medical with my employer paying only $3,600 of that. How is McCains plan different for those of us that aren't Gov employees or employed by a major corp or working through a union?
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Posted by KellyFG
Posted by Ophelia
I just wanted to add...I posted the link and the content of factchecker's info on the McCain plan.
while the op ed piece was certainly skewed in it's prose...the facts were correct.
I love doing that. backing up opinions with fact. it's fun.
you seem to be much more informed about both candidates, perhaps you know where I can find the information about how Sen. Obama & Sen. Biden plan to finance their plan. I'm dead serious BTW
what I heard is from the tax increases he plans to implement on those making $250,000. honestly, I haven't been able to find much about it on Factchecker, so I am refraining from posting any "news" links or blogs.
he makes no bones about being a Robin Hood of sorts. I don't think he is being any more or less evasive or secretive.
I make it my business to know and understand both sides of the fence, b/c I don't vote soley based on party. they have to ring true to me.
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Posted by Ophelia
I don't vote soley based on party. they have to ring true to me.
We are like-minded in that way if nothing else.
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Posted by KellyFG
we agree, taxpayers WILL pay!
And for the record for over 5 years I paid over $12,000 per year for family medical with my employer paying only $3,600 of that. How is McCains plan different for those of us that aren't Gov employees or employed by a major corp or working through a union?
I am so confused about your attitude towards things. do you begrudge those that will be HELPED...b/c you did it on your own? you seem almost angry sometimes and I just don't get it.
I work for the govt and actually pay a PRETTY penny for my coverage...my husband works for a mid sized private company and doesn't pay a dime for himself (but they don't offer a family plan).
maybe you deserve a pat on the back for being a "bootstraps" kind of girl....but most people AREN'T. why it is so hard for you to wrap your head around how it would be IMPOSSIBLE for many people to do is beyond me.
how far should they cut back...downsize to a shack, ride bikes to and from work, kill off a few kids if they didn't think ahead and breed less????
sure, that last comment is off the charts...but seriously....when will it end?
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Re: Obama's Healthcare reform plan
Posted by KellyFG
we agree, taxpayers WILL pay!
And for the record for over 5 years I paid over $12,000 per year for family medical with my employer paying only $3,600 of that. How is McCains plan different for those of us that aren't Gov employees or employed by a major corp or working through a union?
well, if I understand it correctly from the analysis of some insurance experts, the employer will no longer be providing the $3600, and collective bargaining (such as a company representing 100 employees or more) will no longer exist... every individual family will be forced to shop alone for insurance, which will mean no group discount rates and radical rate hikes.
then, on top of that, state laws that require companies to cover people with pre-existing conditions will be eliminated....
I'm far from being 'wealthy', and I've been very ill in the past..... my mother is ill right now with a 'pre-existing' and very expensive condition.
these proposals scare the cr@p out of me like nothing else. Even more than a terrorist threat. I think if this plan were to even partially go through, my family will finally have to leave the USA. I wouldn't be able to afford to be healthy. 
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I personally don't think either of the candidates being discussed have a plan that will work. In fact I doubt either of them can get any of it off the ground. That is not what people are talking about here on LIF though.
I work in an area of healthcare that is always left out of every presidential candidate's platform on healthcare. Dentistry, not an option but a necessity for good health yet rarely considered. Oral health issues like periodontal disease are directly linked to diabetes & heart diseases. Does everyone you know have dental insurance that allows them to go to any doctor they want with maximum benefits that are higher than they were in 1973? My POV on healthcare is much different probably because of the field I'm in, but I'm still entitled to form opinions through my life experience. However I do appreciate other points of view.
And yeah, I think people should have CHOICES and responsibility when it comes to their health. I'm a fan of excluding lifelong smokers from affordable healthcare plans-my father included. I fear for the quality of young medical professionals our country will produce if we have a national healthcare system.
I'm not angry at all, and for the record I'm not a true McCain supporter either.
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Posted by KellyFG
I personally don't think either of the candidates being discussed have a plan that will work. In fact I doubt either of them can get any of it off the ground. That is not what people are talking about here on LIF though.
I work in an area of healthcare that is always left out of every presidential candidate's platform on healthcare. Dentistry, not an option but a necessity for good health yet rarely considered. Oral health issues like periodontal disease are directly linked to diabetes & heart diseases. Does everyone you know have dental insurance that allows them to go to any doctor they want with maximum benefits that are higher than they were in 1973? My POV on healthcare is much different probably because of the field I'm in, but I'm still entitled to form opinions through my life experience. However I do appreciate other points of view.
And yeah, I think people should have CHOICES and responsibility when it comes to their health. I'm a fan of excluding lifelong smokers from affordable healthcare plans-my father included. I fear for the quality of young medical professionals our country will produce if we have a national healthcare system.
I'm not angry at all, and for the record I'm not a true McCain supporter either.
ugh, don't even get my started on dentistry.
I pay $200 a month as my health insurance premium, SINGLE, and I work for the FED....I have the BEST plan my agency offers and I don't get a LICK (pun intended  ) of dentistry covered.
now just imagine all of the the problems you see with dentistry extrapolated across the entire healthcare universe.
I would truly be a disaster.
and I agree that both plans are lacking. but DEREGULATING is the far greater of the evils.
I'd really love to know how many big litigation firms (and which ones, defense or not) donate to each of the candidates campaigns.
our social ills are seemingly irrevocably combined with our economic machine...doctor see patient, insurance pays doc, patient pays premium, patient sues doc, lawyers make money, buy fancy bmw house and cars
it all feeds into itself. but I don't think we can fully comprehend just how far reaching this stuff all is.
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Posted by wannabemom
well, if I understand it correctly from the analysis of some insurance experts, the employer will no longer be providing the $3600, and collective bargaining (such as a company representing 100 employees or more) will no longer exist... every individual family will be forced to shop alone for insurance, which will mean no group discount rates and radical rate hikes.
I've never been employed by a company that had more than 25 employees & probably never will be because of the field I'm in. My DH owned a small business for years.
So the perk of either of us getting into a lowcost group plan isn't there. We've essentially been shopping for our own insurance all of our lives.
From McCain's website* disclaimer-I cannot prove that this is fact, I can only hope that it is*
I'm hoping that will save me from being further disciplined
Setting the Record Straight: Covering Those With Pre-Existing Conditions
MYTH: Some Claim That Under John McCain's Plan, Those With Pre-Existing Conditions Would Be Denied Insurance.
FACT: John McCain Supported The Health Insurance Portability And Accountability Act In 1996 That Took The Important Step Of Providing Some Protection Against Exclusion Of Pre-Existing Conditions.
FACT: Nothing In John McCain's Plan Changes The Fact That If You Are Employed And Insured You Will Build Protection Against The Cost Of Any Pre-Existing Condition.
FACT: As President, John McCain Would Work With Governors To Find The Solutions Necessary To Ensure Those With Pre-Existing Conditions Are Able To Easily Access Care.
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