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Sassyz75
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John McCain's health care plan...
I figured I'd pass this along... I had NO IDEA about this- funny how this campaign is all about lipstick and oil drilling, and yet something as important as this is just swept under the rug.... Of course, if people really understood the implications of this man's policies- maybe they wouldn't be so quick to vote for him. Scary stuff (from NYTimes- OpEd):
Talk about a shock to the system. Has anyone bothered to notice the radical changes that John McCain and Sarah Palin are planning for the nation’s health insurance system?
These are changes that will set in motion nothing less than the dismantling of the employer-based coverage that protects most American families.
A study coming out Tuesday from scholars at Columbia, Harvard, Purdue and Michigan projects that 20 million Americans who have employment-based health insurance would lose it under the McCain plan.
There is nothing secret about Senator McCain’s far-reaching proposals, but they haven’t gotten much attention because the chatter in this campaign has mostly been about nonsense — lipstick, celebrities and “Drill, baby, drill!”
For starters, the McCain health plan would treat employer-paid health benefits as income that employees would have to pay taxes on.
“It means your employer is going to have to make an estimate on how much the employer is paying for health insurance on your behalf, and you are going to have to pay taxes on that money,” said Sherry Glied, an economist who chairs the Department of Health Policy and Management at Columbia University’s Mailman School of Public Health.
Ms. Glied is one of the four scholars who have just completed an independent joint study of the plan. Their findings are being published on the Web site of the policy journal, Health Affairs.
According to the study: “The McCain plan will force millions of Americans into the weakest segment of the private insurance system — the nongroup market — where cost-sharing is high, covered services are limited and people will lose access to benefits they have now.”
The net effect of the plan, the study said, “almost certainly will be to increase family costs for medical care.”
Under the McCain plan (now the McCain-Palin plan) employees who continue to receive employer-paid health benefits would look at their pay stubs each week or each month and find that additional money had been withheld to cover the taxes on the value of their benefits.
While there might be less money in the paycheck, that would not be anything to worry about, according to Senator McCain. That’s because the government would be offering all taxpayers a refundable tax credit — $2,500 for a single worker and $5,000 per family — to be used “to help pay for your health care.”
You may think this is a good move or a bad one — but it’s a monumental change in the way health coverage would be provided to scores of millions of Americans. Why not more attention?
The whole idea of the McCain plan is to get families out of employer-paid health coverage and into the health insurance marketplace, where naked competition is supposed to take care of all ills. (We’re seeing in the Bear Stearns, Fannie Mae, Freddie Mac, Lehman Brothers and Merrill Lynch fiascos just how well the unfettered marketplace has been working.)
Taxing employer-paid health benefits is the first step in this transition, the equivalent of injecting poison into the system. It’s the beginning of the end.
When younger, healthier workers start seeing additional taxes taken out of their paychecks, some (perhaps many) will opt out of the employer-based plans — either to buy cheaper insurance on their own or to go without coverage.
That will leave employers with a pool of older, less healthy workers to cover. That coverage will necessarily be more expensive, which will encourage more and more employers to give up on the idea of providing coverage at all.
The upshot is that many more Americans — millions more — will find themselves on their own in the bewildering and often treacherous health insurance marketplace. As Senator McCain has said: “I believe the key to real reform is to restore control over our health care system to the patients themselves.”
Yet another radical element of McCain’s plan is his proposal to undermine state health insurance regulations by allowing consumers to buy insurance from sellers anywhere in the country. So a requirement in one state that insurers cover, for example, vaccinations, or annual physicals, or breast examinations, would essentially be meaningless.
In a refrain we’ve heard many times in recent years, Mr. McCain said he is committed to ridding the market of these “needless and costly” insurance regulations.
This entire McCain health insurance transformation is right out of the right-wing Republicans’ ideological playbook: fewer regulations; let the market decide; and send unsophisticated consumers into the crucible alone.
You would think that with some of the most venerable houses on Wall Street crumbling like sand castles right before our eyes, we’d be a little wary about spreading this toxic formula even further into the health care system.
But we’re not even paying much attention.
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Posted 9/17/08 11:51 AM |
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Cpt2007
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Re: John McCain's health care plan...
can you post the link?
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Posted 9/17/08 11:54 AM |
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MrsERod
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Re: John McCain's health care plan...
this is just ONE of the many reasons why I will NOT be voting for this man!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Posted 9/17/08 11:55 AM |
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MrsERod
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Re: John McCain's health care plan...
Link to article
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Posted 9/17/08 11:56 AM |
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GioiaMia
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Re: John McCain's health care plan...
Thanks for posting!
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Posted 9/17/08 12:02 PM |
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Sassyz75
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Re: John McCain's health care plan...
Posted by MrsERod
this is just ONE of the many reasons why I will NOT be voting for this man!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I know, this really makes me like the regular person can afford to get more money taken out of their paychecks- paychecks that aren't even going up (when everything else is)...
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Posted 9/17/08 12:06 PM |
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Ophelia
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Re: John McCain's health care plan...
this is an Op-Ed piece by the times, so it IS skewed a bit.
but the actual dynamic of it is real and true.
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Posted 9/17/08 12:07 PM |
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GioiaMia
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Re: John McCain's health care plan...
Posted by Ophelia
this is an Op-Ed piece by the times, so it IS skewed a bit.
but the actual dynamic of it is real and true.
LOL when I saw it I was thinking that it was just a really biased article until I saw that it was an Op-Ed. But I will now look more into bc I was not aware of this at all.
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Posted 9/17/08 12:12 PM |
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Sassyz75
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Re: John McCain's health care plan...
Posted by Tilde
Posted by Ophelia
this is an Op-Ed piece by the times, so it IS skewed a bit.
but the actual dynamic of it is real and true.
LOL when I saw it I was thinking that it was just a really biased article until I saw that it was an Op-Ed. But I will now look more into bc I was not aware of this at all.
Of course, it is an OpEd and it is skewed- but my point is- this is an issue, and a plan of John McCains (and palin) that hasn't come up.. at all... and for something that affects the MAJORITY of us, you'd think we'd be aware of it. i
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Posted 9/17/08 12:19 PM |
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Ophelia
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Re: John McCain's health care plan...
Posted by Sassyz75
Of course, it is an OpEd and it is skewed- but my point is- this is an issue, and a plan of John McCains (and palin) that hasn't come up.. at all... and for something that affects the MAJORITY of us, you'd think we'd be aware of it. i
exactly.
I've only heard them speak about the tax credit part...NOT about how their yearly salary will be increased by the cost of their health care coverage, THEN be taxed....
the idea that they are champions of the good sense and intelligence of the american people is ridiculous. if we all had the good sense to do the right thing and take care of each other, we wouldn't need a govt in the first place.
simply put, this is going to save business big money as people OPT out. he is paving the way for employers to not have to provide insurance.
we will end up with a health care crisis just like the housing crisis. with people DYING.
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Posted 9/17/08 12:26 PM |
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Janice
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Re: John McCain's health care plan...
OMG....thanks for posting this.
He has no idea what's going on in households if he thinks a 5K credit is going to cover anything....
The gap is going to get wider and wider between the have and have nots
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Posted 9/17/08 12:35 PM |
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Lucky09
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Re: John McCain's health care plan...
Yes, thank you for posting!
I forwarded this article to all of my friends who are voting for McCain because they are "afraid" Obama will raise their taxes!
Ophelia - I think you are dead on in your assessment of what lies ahead if this happens...
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Posted 9/17/08 12:36 PM |
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Blazesyth
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Re: John McCain's health care plan...
Has anyone found the study that is referenced in the article? I think it said it was supposed to come out yesterday?
ETA: I found this followup blog and it has a link to this site.
Message edited 9/17/2008 12:50:25 PM.
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Posted 9/17/08 12:37 PM |
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cjik
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Re: John McCain's health care plan...
Wow, a $5 K credit. My bills alone were over $6000 for the first 6 months of this year (I have some health problems, but nothing so serious). This doesn't include DS or DH.
Thanks for posting. Op-ed pieces are suspect, but I will look for this study coming out next week. I'd like to know more about it. I wonder if they studies Obama's plan too? I would like an outside analysis of his as well.
This is why I got so mad yesterday about McCain being ahead and about media coverage overall. There are so many aspects of his health care and tax plans that are not being discussed, and the people who will be affected are well, most of us. Instead we are talking about lipstick on a pig and who can type and see Russia from their house. I would like more discussion of the issues, both McCain and Obama.
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Posted 9/17/08 12:52 PM |
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Sassyz75
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Re: John McCain's health care plan...
Here is the web link for the study
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Posted 9/17/08 12:52 PM |
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Re: John McCain's health care plan...
Posted by Lucky09
Yes, thank you for posting!
I forwarded this article to all of my friends who are voting for McCain because they are "afraid" Obama will raise their taxes!
Thank you! Everyone keeps talking about Obama raising their taxes, yet expert after expert has noted that most low and middle income taxpayers, about 91% of Americans I believe, would benefit more under his plan than McCains.
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Posted 9/17/08 12:53 PM |
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DandN
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Re: John McCain's health care plan...
The OpEd is written by Bob Herbert - who is a democrat, but he generally focuses on urban issues - particularly as they directly affect urban families (crime in inner cities, diabetes cases in the bronx, etc.) And he's no liberal.
If this had been written by Maureen Dowd, then I wouldnt even read it - because she is waaaaaaaaaay too partisan for me - but Herbert is a moderate.
The NY Times does have some conservative columnists - Brooks, for example. They dont have as many to the right as they do to the left - but Herbert knows his stuff.
This is one scary plan, in my opinion.
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Posted 9/17/08 1:00 PM |
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QuoteTheRaven424
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Re: John McCain's health care plan...
i actually wasn't aware of this and appreciate you posting this
makes you think indeed...
im still undecided, but this is good to know for sure
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Posted 9/17/08 1:05 PM |
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SweetTooth
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Re: John McCain's health care plan...
Yes I knew about this - taxing people on employer-based health insurance. I told DH about it when he apparently misunderstood it- he thought that we would be getting tax BREAKS! Needless to say he changed his mind quick about supporting Mccain's health plan.
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Posted 9/17/08 1:05 PM |
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Cpt2007
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Re: John McCain's health care plan...
scary stuff.
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Posted 9/17/08 2:26 PM |
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Re: John McCain's health care plan...
Message edited 11/21/2011 8:44:59 PM.
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Posted 9/17/08 2:37 PM |
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CkGm
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Re: John McCain's health care plan...
Posted by Lucky09
Yes, thank you for posting!
I forwarded this article to all of my friends who are voting for McCain because they are "afraid" Obama will raise their taxes!
Ophelia - I think you are dead on in your assessment of what lies ahead if this happens...
Great article for my DH and others who are worried about taxes. I hate to tell them that our taxes are going up no matter what to bail out all these banks
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Posted 9/17/08 2:42 PM |
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Re: John McCain's health care plan...
Posted by imthekevinofcindyandkevin
CBS News 9/15/08
disclaimer ~ I do not endorse either candidate.
Thank you for posting that....here's what it says....
CBS) It's one of the most explosive and important political charges of the election: "He wants to tax your health benefits," Barack Obama said.
Obama's charge was that that John McCain wants to tax the health insurance benefits Americans buy through employers, CBS News correspondent Wyatt Andrews reports.
"That's a $3.6 trillion tax potentially increase on middle class families," Obama said. "That will eventually leave tens of millions of you paying higher taxes."
John McCain wants a multi-trillion dollar tax on the middle class? Here are the facts.
Obama has the tax part correct, but the impact on the middle class is exaggerated - most people will see tax cuts.
McCain has proposed to end one of the largest tax breaks in the entire economy. Some 60 million Americans buy health insurance thru employers tax-free, and McCain would indeed begin to tax the value of the benefit.
However McCain also proposes to give the money back as a tax credit, $2,500 for individuals, $5,000 for families.
"Let's give them a $5,000 refundable tax credit to go out and get the health insurance of their choice," McCain said.
"It's mostly a tax break," said Len Burman of the Tax Policy Center.
The non-partisan tax policy center says except for the very richest Americans, most people buying insurance will see a tax cut.
"Families at all income levels would pay lower taxes, at least on average," said Burman. "On average, is about a $1,200 tax cut in 2009."
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Posted 9/17/08 2:57 PM |
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Sassyz75
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Re: John McCain's health care plan...
Posted by imthekevinofcindyandkevin
CBS News 9/15/08
disclaimer ~ I do not endorse either candidate.
right- but it isn't about the dollar amount- it is the eventual affect of that tax... basically causing people to drop insurance with their jobs and go out on their own.. McCain thinks this is a good thing.. I am not so sure.
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Posted 9/17/08 3:20 PM |
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BunnyWife
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Re: John McCain's health care plan...
Posted by Sassyz75
Posted by imthekevinofcindyandkevin
CBS News 9/15/08
disclaimer ~ I do not endorse either candidate.
right- but it isn't about the dollar amount- it is the eventual affect of that tax... basically causing people to drop insurance with their jobs and go out on their own.. McCain thinks this is a good thing.. I am not so sure.
Where the hell can you purchase health insurance for a family of 4 for $5,000 a year?
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Posted 9/17/08 3:22 PM |
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