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MrsGT
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Personal Liberties OR Oil? What are all these people dying for?
Disclaimer: It is not my intention to cause any drama or negative emotion. I'm simply curious about the opinions of fellow LIers and what sources everyone uses to decipher the truth.....Hopefully this will lead to a meaningful and respectful discussion....Thanks for reading.
Blood For Oil...Or America Ceases to Be Movie Trailer for "Blood For Oil" an Insightful Documentary Movie about the real reason for this war. Info on the author is posted below.
Premise: This war is not about freedom, or safety, or national threat...it is about oil. It's about preserving our American conveniences, that each one of us indulges in thousands of times a day. Our government originally told us that the war was about oil, but the people wouldn't approve of that. Moms and wives wouldn't send their men to risk their lives so that you and I could drive to and fro, or heat our homes to 72 degrees. The war would not be supported if it was only about protecting the oil supply... even though that was the truth. So, in order to make sure the oil was protected, the war rhetoric had to change...What else would the people buy into and deem noble? The war became about protecting our freedom, protecting our American democracy. We soaked it up with the all the patriotism and comraderie that any cult can procure. Sadly, It was never about our freedom. F.D.R. predicted all of this during his administration. He knew that one day, America would no longer be able to produce it's own oil, much less be leading exporter...both of which we once were. He knew our way of life would exceed the natural supply.
And so....Administration after administration has maintained the status quo, by trading blood for oil and convincing the American people that their liberties are at risk.
Please do some research on the author of this insighful book, Michael T. Klare.
Who is Klare?
You can start here in his first 2 of 4 videos describing the research behind his book.
Klare Lecture Part 1
Klare Lecture Part 2
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donegal419
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Re: Personal Liberties OR Oil? What are all these people dying for?
in some ways, i think it's a bit of all three reasons that you listed. however, if it was truly for our security, we would have focused on Afghanistan and Pakistan and not Iraq. If it was to help people from an abusive government, then why aren't we in places like the Sudan? so, i think while the other things were positive, i think oil was the driving force.
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| Posted 9/12/08 9:30 PM |
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SweetestOfPeas
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Re: Personal Liberties OR Oil? What are all these people dying for?
for all of you who answered "Protecting the Oil Supply To Preserve the American Way of Life", do you think those were the intentions of Congress?
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| Posted 9/12/08 9:38 PM |
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MrsRivera
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Re: Personal Liberties OR Oil? What are all these people dying for?
Posted by SweetestOfPeas
for all of you who answered "Protecting the Oil Supply To Preserve the American Way of Life", do you think those were the intentions of Congress?
No, but with all of GW's ties to foreign oil, and the fact that padding the prices of oil helps to pad HIS pockets--my feeling is, yes, oil is the main motivator.
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| Posted 9/12/08 9:45 PM |
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MrsGT
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Re: Personal Liberties OR Oil? What are all these people dying for?
for all of you who answered "Protecting the Oil Supply To Preserve the American Way of Life", do you think those were the intentions of Congress?
Sure. I think that Congress is fully aware that the our foreign policy is designed to protect the oil supply. There's always going to be a balance, and maybe not so delicate, between diplomacy and force. But to answer your question....of course this is their intention. I do think however, that they have been duped on some level the way that most Americans outside of the know have been. I mean, they were so emotional after 9/11 that they gave the executive branch 100% control to declare war without seeking congressional approval....this is a move that is unprecendented in our history and completely contrary to the entire establishment of a 3 tiered system of democracy. Somehow I don't think that they would give this up so freely just for oil. It is a critical component of our way of life though...so I don't know.
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| Posted 9/12/08 9:49 PM |
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SweetestOfPeas
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Re: Personal Liberties OR Oil? What are all these people dying for?
Posted by MrsRivera
Posted by SweetestOfPeas
for all of you who answered "Protecting the Oil Supply To Preserve the American Way of Life", do you think those were the intentions of Congress?
No, but with all of GW's ties to foreign oil, and the fact that padding the prices of oil helps to pad HIS pockets--my feeling is, yes, oil is the main motivator.
but congress voted for the war. so what you're saying is that he manipulated congress like a bunch of puppets, so that he can fatten his wallet?
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SweetestOfPeas
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Re: Personal Liberties OR Oil? What are all these people dying for?
Posted by MrsGT
for all of you who answered "Protecting the Oil Supply To Preserve the American Way of Life", do you think those were the intentions of Congress?
Sure. I think that Congress is fully aware that the our foreign policy is designed to protect the oil supply. There's always going to be a balance, and maybe not so delicate, between diplomacy and force. But to answer your question....of course this is their intention. I do think however, that they have been duped on some level the way that most Americans outside of the know have been. I mean, they were so emotional after 9/11 that they gave the executive branch 100% control to declare war without seeking congressional approval....this is a move that is unprecendented in our history and completely contrary to the entire establishment of a 3 tiered system of democracy. Somehow I don't think that they would give this up so freely just for oil. It is a critical component of our way of life though...so I don't know.
sorry to burst your bubble, but congress DID in fact vote for the war.
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Re: Personal Liberties OR Oil? What are all these people dying for?
Posted by SweetestOfPeas
Posted by MrsRivera
Posted by SweetestOfPeas
for all of you who answered "Protecting the Oil Supply To Preserve the American Way of Life", do you think those were the intentions of Congress?
No, but with all of GW's ties to foreign oil, and the fact that padding the prices of oil helps to pad HIS pockets--my feeling is, yes, oil is the main motivator.
but congress voted for the war. so what you're saying is that he manipulated congress like a bunch of puppets, so that he can fatten his wallet?
Precisely!
Not to dredge up old muck and make people  , but this is the very same man who was able to take Florida, even though it VERY clearly went to another candidate. He used the powers that be to declare that election his.
He has friends in high places and is DEFINITELY capable.
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| Posted 9/12/08 9:51 PM |
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SweetestOfPeas
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Re: Personal Liberties OR Oil? What are all these people dying for?
alrighty then
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| Posted 9/12/08 9:54 PM |
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MrsGT
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Re: Personal Liberties OR Oil? What are all these people dying for?
sorry to burst your bubble, but congress DID in fact vote for the war.
that may be so, but it doesn't change the fact that they DID relinquish their power and influence, agreeing that the american military, at the sole order of the president can engage in preemptive or retaliatory attacks without their consent. It was the first in American history to eradicate the 'checks and balances' of our political structure. I think that says something about their intentions.
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| Posted 9/12/08 9:57 PM |
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donegal419
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Re: Personal Liberties OR Oil? What are all these people dying for?
Posted by MrsGT
sorry to burst your bubble, but congress DID in fact vote for the war.
that may be so, but it doesn't change the fact that they DID relinquish their power and influence, agreeing that the american military, at the sole order of the president can engage in preemptive or retaliatory attacks without their consent. It was the first in American history to eradicate the 'checks and balances' of our political structure. I think that says something about their intentions.
how did they eradicate checks and balances when Congress voted for the war? Bush proposed it, they agreed. Seems legit to me, unless I missed something from my days in government classes.
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| Posted 9/12/08 9:58 PM |
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SweetestOfPeas
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Re: Personal Liberties OR Oil? What are all these people dying for?
Posted by MrsGT
sorry to burst your bubble, but congress DID in fact vote for the war.
that may be so, but it doesn't change the fact that they DID relinquish their power and influence, agreeing that the american military, at the sole order of the president can engage in preemptive or retaliatory attacks without their consent. It was the first in American history to eradicate the 'checks and balances' of our political structure. I think that says something about their intentions.
Clinton did the same in Serbia
Bush Sr did it the 1st Gulf War
Reagan did in Libya
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MrsGT
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Re: Personal Liberties OR Oil? What are all these people dying for?
Clinton did the same in Serbia, etc
Thanks for that info...I'll check that out. Was it ever taken off the books or did their 'executive power' stay in force throughout their tenure?
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Re: Personal Liberties OR Oil? What are all these people dying for?
Posted by MrsGT
Clinton did the same in Serbia, etc
Thanks for that info...I'll check that out. Was it ever taken off the books or did their 'executive power' stay in force throughout their tenure?
troops were dispatched under his control
not really sure what you're asking.
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| Posted 9/12/08 10:05 PM |
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MrsGT
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Re: Personal Liberties OR Oil? What are all these people dying for?
I was asking about all three that you cited....and wondering whether congress allowed the president to hold this power to go to war without their consent for the rest of their term, or was it for a time-limited duration? Sorry if I was vague.
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| Posted 9/12/08 10:08 PM |
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Re: Personal Liberties OR Oil? What are all these people dying for?
Posted by MrsGT
I was asking about all three that you cited....and wondering whether congress allowed the president to hold this power to go to war without their consent for the rest of their term, or was it for a time-limited duration? Sorry if I was vague.
that's ok
by law, the President has the authority to engage military forces in actions abroad for as long as the President determines it necessary to protect the interests of the US.
he must by law consult regulary w/congress until US armed forces are no longer engaged in hositilies.
that's what Clinton did in Serbia
Clinton also bombed Iraq at least twice that I can think of.
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Re: Personal Liberties OR Oil? What are all these people dying for?
Posted by SweetestOfPeas
alrighty then
 
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Re: Personal Liberties OR Oil? What are all these people dying for?
Message edited 11/21/2011 8:42:30 PM.
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| Posted 9/12/08 10:20 PM |
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MrsGT
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Re: Personal Liberties OR Oil? What are all these people dying for?
It has nothing to do with the current administration. for 70 years it's been about the oil and it will always be about the oil until we come up with an alternative.
Yes. I believe this to be true. However, this is not commonly accepted by the masses as the reason that we are in war now or in the past. I was trying to assess what other people believe the war to be about. I'm learning more and more about the real reasons and am becoming frustrated at the propaganda that the government and media filter to the public. Why can't we all just know the truth? Is it because no one would willingly fight for oil?
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| Posted 9/12/08 10:27 PM |
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Re: Personal Liberties OR Oil? What are all these people dying for?
invading iraq was primarily about oil.... but I'll add the corollary that it was also to flank Iran... the REAL invasion goal that never will be (thank God).
Congress knew they were being fed a pack of lies... and they went along with 'believing' the lies becuase it made for a convenient explanation of their vote to their consituents who surely wouldn't go for it.
that's the reason I lost my respect for most of congress.....
the average american has a lifestyle they refuse to change, and values that frequently contradict their lifestyle. I don't think we have the hutspah we did in WW2 to actually sacrifice and unite anymore.
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