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summerBaby10
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Re: Please tell me I'm being silly - buyers asking for things
wow, I can't even imagine the type of people they must be to not budge over this. I would take your sweet time signing the contract. How long has your house been on the market? Are you in a rush? I feel like the season is just starting.
Is that same chandelier still for sale?
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Re: Please tell me I'm being silly - buyers asking for things
Posted by summerBaby10
wow, I can't even imagine the type of people they must be to not budge over this. I would take your sweet time signing the contract. How long has your house been on the market? Are you in a rush? I feel like the season is just starting.
Is that same chandelier still for sale?
Our house has been on for just over a month. We're trying to get out sooner than later because we're also trying to buy and our offers have been rejected due to contingency to sell our place...so we really need to sell and get out so that we can get something else.
Unfortunately I've been trying to find the chandelier with no luck. It was purchased probably close to 8 years ago, so I wouldn't think it would still be available. It's not even incredibly expensive - I think my parents spent around $300 (maybe $350) for it. But again, it's the sentimental value.
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summerBaby10
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Re: Please tell me I'm being silly - buyers asking for things
Sorry, that stinks. Maybe ask your realtor to go through their realtor one more time & explain it holds sentimental value & you are even offering to pay them for it. I want to help you try & find it even though you said it was from 8 years ago. Do you know what it's called?
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SHOPAHOLIC
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Re: Please tell me I'm being silly - buyers asking for things
I think they are being unreasonable refusing he credit. I would stand my ground on the issue. If you give in to the "Bullying" now I think there will be more issues down the line with them. They won't walk away from the house over a $300 light fixture.. they spent more then that on a home inspection. It would be beyond foolish of them.
I would tell the lawyer you discussed it further with your DH and you aren't giving up the chandelier.
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NYCGirl80
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Re: Please tell me I'm being silly - buyers asking for things
Same thing happened to my MIL when she sold her apt. The buyers threatened to walk away because of the chandeliers - ones that had been in her family for many years, handed down to her. So she let them walk. People are crazy and you never know what they'll get stuck on. I doubt they even remember the chandeliers!
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LuckyStar
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Please tell me I'm being silly - buyers asking for things
They sound nuts. Definitely make sure your lawyer explains the sentimental value. If they still cause a fuss then they're just terrible people.
Maybe instead of offering a credit you can offer to pay for and install a new fixture of their choosing? I can't possibly imagine anyone saying no to that.
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ave1024
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Re: Please tell me I'm being silly - buyers asking for things
Posted by BriBri2u
I never got this when it comes to selling/buying. Light fixtures to me are décor items. I think of them as items that go with the room/theme they are in.
See I disagree with this. Anything hard attached or hard wired to the house are typically part of the house and would need to be excluded.
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alli3131
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Please tell me I'm being silly - buyers asking for things
Honestly you are out of luck if the sellers won't take the credit. Anything attached to the house is part of the house. Your agent should have put it as an exclusion and because it never was it stays with the house.
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Posted by ave1024
Posted by BriBri2u
I never got this when it comes to selling/buying. Light fixtures to me are décor items. I think of them as items that go with the room/theme they are in.
See I disagree with this. Anything hard attached or hard wired to the house are typically part of the house and would need to be excluded.
Agreed. In NY - light fixtures, appliances, built in home theater screens, etc are expected to stay with the home unless otherwise excluded.
For those who said there is no problem if you exclude it from the contract, the problem is that the negotiation on price she everything is going off of what the buyer sees in the home (unless they are told otherwise by the listing agent/seller).
I mean, just to use an example - how would you feel if you offered x price for a house that had high end stainless steel kitchen appliances, and the seller accepted your price. You invest in a home inspection, and then your attorney receives the contract saying that the seller us excluding all the kitchen appliances and will replace them with basic white models. Isn't that something you would have wanted to know upfront when you were offering and negotiating for the home?
Of course, one chandelier is a bit different, and there's not a high monetary value at stake (not as much as my example above).
The op obviously just had an oversight, and I absolutely think she should ask to keep the chandelier. But good communication, explaining why, is better than taking an adversarial position. Believe me, keeping good feelings going on a transaction really helps.
If the buyer is otherwise a strong buyer and offering a good price, then I'd try to keep perspective. Offer to replace it with a builder grade fixture they can use temporarily and if all else fails, offer to give them a couple of hundred dollars credit for a new chandelier. That way, the buyers feel treated fairly and the OP gets what she wants.
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Millie3
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Re: Please tell me I'm being silly - buyers asking for things
I think you should push for it one more time. Have your lawyer explain sentimental value. At least you will know you tried your best. Blame it on your mom 
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tray831
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Re: Please tell me I'm being silly - buyers asking for things
Posted by Millie3
I think you should push for it one more time. Have your lawyer explain sentimental value. At least you will know you tried your best. Blame it on your mom
I agree. I cant even understand why these people would want something that is so sentimental to someone else. Even if you offered a $300 credit. They have beautiful ones at Lowes. Like you, that would hurt me too much just giving it away. Try as much as you can now so you have no regrets when its too late and the house is theirs.
IMO I think its pretty ****** of them not to work with you here. Are you sure your lawyer reiterated its sentimental or did he just say you're willing to give a credit?
And if they want to drop the whole deal over a chandelier then they dont deserve your home!
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Katareen
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Please tell me I'm being silly - buyers asking for things
Take a pic, maybe we can help find something similar!
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Re: Please tell me I'm being silly - buyers asking for things
Posted by SHOPAHOLIC
I think they are being unreasonable refusing he credit. I would stand my ground on the issue. If you give in to the "Bullying" now I think there will be more issues down the line with them. They won't walk away from the house over a $300 light fixture.. they spent more then that on a home inspection. It would be beyond foolish of them.
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ChilisWife
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Re: Please tell me I'm being silly - buyers asking for things
Honestly I never knew that light fixtures were "part of the house." I always assumed they were furniture that would be removed. I don't know what the actual law is in NY but seems to me that if you replace a chandelier with a comparable light fixture, that should be fair. In my opinion the buyers are being unreasonable.
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Goobster
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Re: Please tell me I'm being silly - buyers asking for things
Posted by ChilisWife
Honestly I never knew that light fixtures were "part of the house." I always assumed they were furniture that would be removed. I don't know what the actual law is in NY but seems to me that if you replace a chandelier with a comparable light fixture, that should be fair. In my opinion the buyers are being unreasonable.
If it's attached to the house, it's generally considered part of the sale. For ex, curtain rods would be part of the sale, but not the curtains. So yes, fixtures would be part of a sale. They are hardwired.
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BargainMama
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Please tell me I'm being silly - buyers asking for things
If YOU haven't signed the contracts, it's not "theirs" now like someone else said. Refuse to sign if you want to keep the light fixture.
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Jenn79
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Re: Please tell me I'm being silly - buyers asking for things
Posted by Katareen
Take a pic, maybe we can help find something similar!
This! For the record I don't think you're being silly at all. I'd fight for it!
When we bought they had a Bosch washing machine in the house and said they were included. When we did our final walk through it was gone and a new (cheaper) one was in its place. We said something, but wanted the house so we didn't fight it. I say buy a similar one, hang it, and keep quiet 
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Re: Please tell me I'm being silly - buyers asking for things
Posted by Jenn79
Posted by Katareen
Take a pic, maybe we can help find something similar!
This! For the record I don't think you're being silly at all. I'd fight for it!
When we bought they had a Bosch washing machine in the house and said they were included. When we did our final walk through it was gone and a new (cheaper) one was in its place. We said something, but wanted the house so we didn't fight it. I say buy a similar one, hang it, and keep quiet
I think given all the attention placed on this chandelier, buying something similar and replacing it without saying something is a very bad idea. Chances are during walk through, the couple will be looking to make sure chandelier is same one. Just my opinion.
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HomeIsWithU
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Re: Please tell me I'm being silly - buyers asking for things
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Posted by ChilisWife
Honestly I never knew that light fixtures were "part of the house." I always assumed they were furniture that would be removed. I don't know what the actual law is in NY but seems to me that if you replace a chandelier with a comparable light fixture, that should be fair. In my opinion the buyers are being unreasonable.
If it's attached to the house, it's generally considered part of the sale. For ex, curtain rods would be part of the sale, but not the curtains. So yes, fixtures would be part of a sale. They are hardwired.
But by that standard, then wouldn't anything hanging on the walls be considered "part of the house"? Such as pictures, décor items that are hung on the walls, shelves hung on the walls? I mean, I completely expected that appliances and most of the light fixtures would be part of the sale of the house. I also assumed things like roman shades or other window treatments that were specifically fitted into the window. But not necessarily basic curtain rods hung above a window just because it's "attached" to the wall. A lot of things are attached to the wall in my house that I don't plan to leave.
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HomeIsWithU
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Re: Please tell me I'm being silly - buyers asking for things
Posted by MrsM84
Posted by Jenn79
Posted by Katareen
Take a pic, maybe we can help find something similar!
This! For the record I don't think you're being silly at all. I'd fight for it!
When we bought they had a Bosch washing machine in the house and said they were included. When we did our final walk through it was gone and a new (cheaper) one was in its place. We said something, but wanted the house so we didn't fight it. I say buy a similar one, hang it, and keep quiet
I think given all the attention placed on this chandelier, buying something similar and replacing it without saying something is a very bad idea. Chances are during walk through, the couple will be looking to make sure chandelier is same one. Just my opinion.
Yes, I agree with this. Now that it's gone back and forth in our contract I can only assume they will be looking VERY closely at the chandelier during the walk through. I'd be too afraid to change it out and have them make a stink about it at the closing.
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alli3131
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Re: Please tell me I'm being silly - buyers asking for things
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Posted by Goobster
Posted by ChilisWife
Honestly I never knew that light fixtures were "part of the house." I always assumed they were furniture that would be removed. I don't know what the actual law is in NY but seems to me that if you replace a chandelier with a comparable light fixture, that should be fair. In my opinion the buyers are being unreasonable.
If it's attached to the house, it's generally considered part of the sale. For ex, curtain rods would be part of the sale, but not the curtains. So yes, fixtures would be part of a sale. They are hardwired.
But by that standard, then wouldn't anything hanging on the walls be considered "part of the house"? Such as pictures, décor items that are hung on the walls, shelves hung on the walls? I mean, I completely expected that appliances and most of the light fixtures would be part of the sale of the house. I also assumed things like roman shades or other window treatments that were specifically fitted into the window. But not necessarily basic curtain rods hung above a window just because it's "attached" to the wall. A lot of things are attached to the wall in my house that I don't plan to leave.
Personally I think your listing agent screwed up and they should have explained to you that all "fixtures" are part of the house and unless you specifically exclude them they stay. Are you really willing to screw up this sale of a light fixture. The buyer has every right to that fixture since it was not excluded.
I would not push them on it as you might want other things from them along the way such as a quicker closing date or a stay after closing etc.
I would not go into contracts with an adversarial relationship. They refused to accept your offer and they are well within their right legally.
While I understand it sucks that are within their rights.
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Re: Please tell me I'm being silly - buyers asking for things
Your realtor did a horrible job explaining things to you. Things that are attached to the walls and ceilings including but not limited to mirrors, shelving, chandeliers, towel holders, marble slab two leg table that is attached to the wall you might call it furniture, but it has become part of the home. If you want something like that to go with you remove before listing or specifically exclude it in the listing and tell your attorney that it is non negotiable.
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Re: Please tell me I'm being silly - buyers asking for things
Posted by alli3131
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Posted by Goobster
Posted by ChilisWife
Honestly I never knew that light fixtures were "part of the house." I always assumed they were furniture that would be removed. I don't know what the actual law is in NY but seems to me that if you replace a chandelier with a comparable light fixture, that should be fair. In my opinion the buyers are being unreasonable.
If it's attached to the house, it's generally considered part of the sale. For ex, curtain rods would be part of the sale, but not the curtains. So yes, fixtures would be part of a sale. They are hardwired.
But by that standard, then wouldn't anything hanging on the walls be considered "part of the house"? Such as pictures, décor items that are hung on the walls, shelves hung on the walls? I mean, I completely expected that appliances and most of the light fixtures would be part of the sale of the house. I also assumed things like roman shades or other window treatments that were specifically fitted into the window. But not necessarily basic curtain rods hung above a window just because it's "attached" to the wall. A lot of things are attached to the wall in my house that I don't plan to leave.
Personally I think your listing agent screwed up and they should have explained to you that all "fixtures" are part of the house and unless you specifically exclude them they stay. Are you really willing to screw up this sale of a light fixture. The buyer has every right to that fixture since it was not excluded.
I would not push them on it as you might want other things from them along the way such as a quicker closing date or a stay after closing etc.
I would not go into contracts with an adversarial relationship. They refused to accept your offer and they are well within their right legally.
While I understand it sucks that are within their rights.
As a realtor, I agree. The listing agent should have raised this with you at the outset. I always ask whether my sellers plan to take anything that would otherwise stay (and I run down the list).
Also, the difference with pictures hanging on the wall is that they are not attached to the wall. They are hanging on hooks that are screwed into the wall. Another example is a wall mounted tv...the tv bracket is affixed to the wall, but the tv itself isn't (and you would take your tv).
I also think you get more bees with honey, so at this point I would be upfront and appeal to their sympathy, not take an overly adversarial stance or try to slip something by them. Nothing creates bad feelings on a real estate deal than one party thinking that the other party is trying to "get one over on them" in some way.
Let us know how it works out.
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Jacquelina
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Re: Please tell me I'm being silly - buyers asking for things
I think you should just replace it with something similiar...i doubt they will even notice its not the same one...LOL. May be bad advice, but I dont see how you can remember exactly what something looks like going through a house only a couple of times!
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Poppyseed79
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Re: Please tell me I'm being silly - buyers asking for things
Posted by BargainMama
If YOU haven't signed the contracts, it's not "theirs" now like someone else said. Refuse to sign if you want to keep the light fixture.
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