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tray831
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Re: Please tell me I'm being silly - buyers asking for things
You still have one more chance if you ask them directly at closing; while you are in front of each other signing a million papers.
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Re: Please tell me I'm being silly - buyers asking for things
Posted by tray831
You still have one more chance if you ask them directly at closing; while you are in front of each other signing a million papers.
Yes, my DH made that point to me the other day and he intends to do that.
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| Posted 4/28/15 11:59 AM |
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Re: Please tell me I'm being silly - buyers asking for things
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Posted by tray831
You still have one more chance if you ask them directly at closing; while you are in front of each other signing a million papers.
Yes, my DH made that point to me the other day and he intends to do that.
I think you should. If they knew it was of sentimental value and still insisted on having it, it was ****** of them.
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BargainMama
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Re: Please tell me I'm being silly - buyers asking for things
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Posted by tray831
You still have one more chance if you ask them directly at closing; while you are in front of each other signing a million papers.
Yes, my DH made that point to me the other day and he intends to do that.
I think you should. If they knew it was of sentimental value and still insisted on having it, it was ****** of them.
Shittty people aren't going to care if you ask them at the closing. They are still going to say no. Such a shame!
I wouldn't have signed to be honest! I hope you find another one like it for your new home :)
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| Posted 4/28/15 2:08 PM |
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Re: Please tell me I'm being silly - buyers asking for things
Why don't you just have your agent speak to theirs? No need to wait until the closing table. There's seriously enough going on then... The fewer open issues, the better. Plus, assuming they are taking possession at closing, then you have to coordinate with them to take down the chandelier. This would mean either you going back into the house to take it done or you hiring someone to do work in their house to take it down (which really isn't a good idea, liability-wise, etc) or trusting them to do it and not break it.
There's usually ongoing communications between sides during the under contract period (about mortgage, appraisal, buyers may want to come measure, etc).
It's usually more effective to have the agents discuss it with each other than rely on the attorneys. I'd have your agent explain the sentimental value and see if there's something you could offer that would satisfy them (e.g. they pick out a chandelier of similar value and you buy it/have it installed, you replace with a temporary cheap fixture and give them a credit, etc). It sounds like they may not fully understand the sentimental value. The worst they can say is no. If they agree, the attorneys can just prepare a side agreement/rider. No biggie! It's not like they can walk from a fully executed contract because you ask to keep one thing. So no harm in asking, IMO. There's a lot of minor issues like this that crop up and I wind up handling for clients.
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Please tell me I'm being silly - buyers asking for things
While I agree that your REA messed up and it shouldn't have been included in the listing, the buyers are being jerks IMO. When we purchased our house, the listing didn't include the washer & dryer. We didn't want to have to buy new ones so we offered money and they agreed to leave them.
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alli3131
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Re: Please tell me I'm being silly - buyers asking for things
Posted by Century 21 Dallow - Christine Braun
Why don't you just have your agent speak to theirs? No need to wait until the closing table. There's seriously enough going on then... The fewer open issues, the better. Plus, assuming they are taking possession at closing, then you have to coordinate with them to take down the chandelier. This would mean either you going back into the house to take it done or you hiring someone to do work in their house to take it down (which really isn't a good idea, liability-wise, etc) or trusting them to do it and not break it.
There's usually ongoing communications between sides during the under contract period (about mortgage, appraisal, buyers may want to come measure, etc).
It's usually more effective to have the agents discuss it with each other than rely on the attorneys. I'd have your agent explain the sentimental value and see if there's something you could offer that would satisfy them (e.g. they pick out a chandelier of similar value and you buy it/have it installed, you replace with a temporary cheap fixture and give them a credit, etc). It sounds like they may not fully understand the sentimental value. The worst they can say is no. If they agree, the attorneys can just prepare a side agreement/rider. No biggie! It's not like they can walk from a fully executed contract because you ask to keep one thing. So no harm in asking, IMO. There's a lot of minor issues like this that crop up and I wind up handling for clients.
I agree with talking to your agent. I think the agents have a bit more tact and compassion when handling issues like this. Attorney's are busy and really hate dealing with little issues like this....and IMO don't have the tect that the broker probably would. Brokers are used to dealing with this type of things!
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Pomegranate5
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Re: Please tell me I'm being silly - buyers asking for things
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I'd let it go... and then make sure that something "accidentally" happened to the fixture. ("Oh no! My cleaning lady was dusting and a piece broke right off!") Anything that breaks between contract and closing has to be replaced. Rather than a credit, let them pick out whatever fixture they'd like as a replacement and arrange to have it installed.
I'm a spiteful B so this is what I would end up doing too. Are they really going to walk away midway through the process because of this? They sound obnoxious.
Many buyers may walk away and on the other hand as a seller do you want to lose a qualified buyer over a chandelier? But a new one and create new memories.
I actually don't believe that "MANY" buyers will walk away when they are about to close over a slightly different chandelier of equal value, especially if they are given the option to pick it out and it's installed for them.
Sorry that's ridiculous. You're buying a house, not a lighting fixture.
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Re: Please tell me I'm being silly - buyers asking for things
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Posted by tray831
You still have one more chance if you ask them directly at closing; while you are in front of each other signing a million papers.
Yes, my DH made that point to me the other day and he intends to do that.
They are going to say no. They have no incentive to give it to you and it's more of a hassle at that point for them than it even is now.
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Re: Please tell me I'm being silly - buyers asking for things
I would find something simlar,install it and call it a day. Are they really going to sue you over a chandelier that is slightly different? They will not see it until move in day and probably wont even notice. If it was explained to them that it is a sentimental items than F them.
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Re: Please tell me I'm being silly - buyers asking for things
I hope you have made peace with your choice to give it to them.
Me personally, only one month on the market, I would have told them to take a walk. I would never sell to people like that. Ever. I would screw myself before selling to them, unless they agreed to me switching it.
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ave1024
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Re: Please tell me I'm being silly - buyers asking for things
Posted by Pomegranate5
Posted by ave1024
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Posted by TheDivineMrsM
I'd let it go... and then make sure that something "accidentally" happened to the fixture. ("Oh no! My cleaning lady was dusting and a piece broke right off!") Anything that breaks between contract and closing has to be replaced. Rather than a credit, let them pick out whatever fixture they'd like as a replacement and arrange to have it installed.
I'm a spiteful B so this is what I would end up doing too. Are they really going to walk away midway through the process because of this? They sound obnoxious.
Many buyers may walk away and on the other hand as a seller do you want to lose a qualified buyer over a chandelier? But a new one and create new memories.
I actually don't believe that "MANY" buyers will walk away when they are about to close over a slightly different chandelier of equal value, especially if they are given the option to pick it out and it's installed for them.
Sorry that's ridiculous. You're buying a house, not a lighting fixture.
I am sure any realtor will back me on this, many buyers (esp. first time) can have cold feet and buyers remorse when buying a house during the contract process. Something like this could give a suspect buyer an easy way "out" and walk away from the deal.
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Re: Please tell me I'm being silly - buyers asking for things
Posted by HomeIsWithU
Posted by tray831
You still have one more chance if you ask them directly at closing; while you are in front of each other signing a million papers.
Yes, my DH made that point to me the other day and he intends to do that.
This is unlikely to change their minds. It is a hassle for the buyer. Once the papers are signed the house and the fixture is theirs- what insentive do they have to give it to you especially if they already told you that they would not sign the contract stating the fixture was excluded from the sale. If they give you the fixture at closing they would need to replace it and pay someone it install the new fixture- if they were will to negotiate they would have done it before signing the contract.
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Re: Please tell me I'm being silly - buyers asking for things
Posted by ave1024
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Posted by ave1024
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Posted by TheDivineMrsM
I'd let it go... and then make sure that something "accidentally" happened to the fixture. ("Oh no! My cleaning lady was dusting and a piece broke right off!") Anything that breaks between contract and closing has to be replaced. Rather than a credit, let them pick out whatever fixture they'd like as a replacement and arrange to have it installed.
I'm a spiteful B so this is what I would end up doing too. Are they really going to walk away midway through the process because of this? They sound obnoxious.
Many buyers may walk away and on the other hand as a seller do you want to lose a qualified buyer over a chandelier? But a new one and create new memories.
I actually don't believe that "MANY" buyers will walk away when they are about to close over a slightly different chandelier of equal value, especially if they are given the option to pick it out and it's installed for them.
Sorry that's ridiculous. You're buying a house, not a lighting fixture.
I am sure any realtor will back me on this, many buyers (esp. first time) can have cold feet and buyers remorse when buying a house during the contract process. Something like this could give a suspect buyer an easy way "out" and walk away from the deal.
And I'm sure any realtor would be able to convince their buyer to move ahead with the deal since they are still getting a beautiful chandelier that they can pick out. Any realtor who couldn't reason with a buyer over this doesn't deserve their commission.
I was a first time buyer and I panicked over every little thing and there is still no way I would have walked away over this. And my broker would have knocked some sense into me if I tried.
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ave1024
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Re: Please tell me I'm being silly - buyers asking for things
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Posted by ave1024
Posted by Pomegranate5
Posted by TheDivineMrsM
I'd let it go... and then make sure that something "accidentally" happened to the fixture. ("Oh no! My cleaning lady was dusting and a piece broke right off!") Anything that breaks between contract and closing has to be replaced. Rather than a credit, let them pick out whatever fixture they'd like as a replacement and arrange to have it installed.
I'm a spiteful B so this is what I would end up doing too. Are they really going to walk away midway through the process because of this? They sound obnoxious.
Many buyers may walk away and on the other hand as a seller do you want to lose a qualified buyer over a chandelier? But a new one and create new memories.
I actually don't believe that "MANY" buyers will walk away when they are about to close over a slightly different chandelier of equal value, especially if they are given the option to pick it out and it's installed for them.
Sorry that's ridiculous. You're buying a house, not a lighting fixture.
I am sure any realtor will back me on this, many buyers (esp. first time) can have cold feet and buyers remorse when buying a house during the contract process. Something like this could give a suspect buyer an easy way "out" and walk away from the deal.
And I'm sure any realtor would be able to convince their buyer to move ahead with the deal since they are still getting a beautiful chandelier that they can pick out. Any realtor who couldn't reason with a buyer over this doesn't deserve their commission.
I was a first time buyer and I panicked over every little thing and there is still no way I would have walked away over this. And my broker would have knocked some sense into me if I tried.
Well that might be you but other people may and will think differently. If you scroll back in the thread there have been realtors who posted saying deals have indeed fell through for reasons like this.
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Please tell me I'm being silly - buyers asking for things
Break it and replace it.
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Please tell me I'm being silly - buyers asking for things
If a buyer backs out at this point, they are also losing their down payment, no?
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Re: Please tell me I'm being silly - buyers asking for things
I cannot open this thread anymore to see updates....those buyers of yours are REALLY pissing me off 
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Re: Please tell me I'm being silly - buyers asking for things
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If a buyer backs out at this point, they are also losing their down payment, no?
No because legally the chandelier is included in the contract. If the buyers feel they aren't getting what they are supposed to be getting they an walk away.
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Re: Please tell me I'm being silly - buyers asking for things
Posted by DRMom
I would find something simlar,install it and call it a day. Are they really going to sue you over a chandelier that is slightly different? They will not see it until move in day and probably wont even notice. If it was explained to them that it is a sentimental items than F them.
This is what I was thinking. Will they really know the difference between your chandelier and another one that looks similar?
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Re: Please tell me I'm being silly - buyers asking for things
Posted by ave1024
Posted by EatingMyVeggies
If a buyer backs out at this point, they are also losing their down payment, no?
No because legally the chandelier is included in the contract. If the buyers feel they aren't getting what they are supposed to be getting they an walk away.
I think you have to be a pretty big azzhole to walk away from a house you want because of a chandelier LOL
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Re: Please tell me I'm being silly - buyers asking for things
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Posted by ave1024
Posted by EatingMyVeggies
If a buyer backs out at this point, they are also losing their down payment, no?
No because legally the chandelier is included in the contract. If the buyers feel they aren't getting what they are supposed to be getting they an walk away.
I think you have to be a pretty big azzhole to walk away from a house you want because of a chandelier LOL
I guess the same can be said for somebody that tried to pull a bait and switch on something that was legally supposed to be included.
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Re: Please tell me I'm being silly - buyers asking for things
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I would find something simlar,install it and call it a day. Are they really going to sue you over a chandelier that is slightly different? They will not see it until move in day and probably wont even notice. If it was explained to them that it is a sentimental items than F them.
This is what I was thinking. Will they really know the difference between your chandelier and another one that looks similar?
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I feel like my words are falling on deaf ears, but before the OP gives up or tries to "trick" the buyers by switching out the chandelier, TRY TO WORK IT OUT.
I do this type of stuff all the time, every day. 9 times out of 10, it can be worked out. I've sold many, many homes (both working with sellers and buyers).
It's better to fully communicate and really try to amicably work things out before going crazy.
Who needs the stress of a potential problem during the final walk through at closing about whether they will remember a chandelier? It's ALWAYS better to be upfront, trust me.
It sounds to me that the OP forgot to mention she wanted the chandelier, her attorney tried to strike it from the contract, the other attorney said the buyers want it, and that's it. A lot of times the attorneys strictly email and send the contract back and forth, but there's not a whole lot of conversation. It's very cut and dried for them (and again, I'm not being negative about the attorneys, I am one, but it's really more the agents' job to work this stuff out... the attorney hasn't seen the house, the chandelier, hasn't been privy to how the prior negotiations unfolded).
There may have been not talk of sentimental value, and perhaps not all alternatives were fully explored.
This is the last I'll say on it. But my advice is solid! lol
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Re: Please tell me I'm being silly - buyers asking for things
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Posted by EatingMyVeggies
If a buyer backs out at this point, they are also losing their down payment, no?
No because legally the chandelier is included in the contract. If the buyers feel they aren't getting what they are supposed to be getting they an walk away.
I think you have to be a pretty big azzhole to walk away from a house you want because of a chandelier LOL
I guess the same can be said for somebody that tried to pull a bait and switch on something that was legally supposed to be included.
Well I personally wouldn't switch it, I just wouldn't have signed the contracts to begin with it and told the buyers to go scratch!
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