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Re: Question about Religion
Posted by nov04libride
Posted by Maathy317
I've never been one who believed that it was a good idea to not do anything and let your children decide once they are older. How can you make a decision on something you know nothing about? At least, with some background about some faith, you can make an informed decision. Faith is the greatest gift you can give your child. Toys are broken and gone, money is spent, people come and go, but, faith is constant.
To answer that question from someone whose parents let us choose our own religion, growing up we went to different religions each week. We grew up in a very diverse area, and we went to presbyterian, catholicism, quaker, methodist, lutheran, and jewish temples. And I also went to an Episcopal high school! I feel now that this gave me a better view of all religions than any course through one church or temple, where the teachings are of course slanted because of the nature of that religion. I feel it made me more understanding of really every religion, and less judgemental than many people I know who only ever knew one religion. A catholic started this post who grew up never knowing anything about judaism. I want to provide my kids with a solid understanding of every religion, without it being so one-sided.
It's funny, I grew up going to Catholic school and I knew NOTHING about other religions. I had a vague notion that there were Catholics and Jews, and I had NO idea of what a Jew was except that they were different. I think I understood that they didn't believe in Jesus, but that was it. Then I switched to public school and there was still ONE Jewish person in the class. It wasn't until I went to high school that I knew a lot of jewish people and I began to understand the religion. Since then, I've been learning a lot about religions and I plan to pass that on to my (interfaith) children.
Some of the most intelligent, well educated, open minded people I know were raised in interfaith households, or households where the were exposed to a lot of information and allowed to choose. It's not the only choice, but it's a valid choice.
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Re: Question about Religion
Posted by marymoon
Posted by nov04libride
Posted by Maathy317
I've never been one who believed that it was a good idea to not do anything and let your children decide once they are older. How can you make a decision on something you know nothing about? At least, with some background about some faith, you can make an informed decision. Faith is the greatest gift you can give your child. Toys are broken and gone, money is spent, people come and go, but, faith is constant.
To answer that question from someone whose parents let us choose our own religion, growing up we went to different religions each week. We grew up in a very diverse area, and we went to presbyterian, catholicism, quaker, methodist, lutheran, and jewish temples. And I also went to an Episcopal high school! I feel now that this gave me a better view of all religions than any course through one church or temple, where the teachings are of course slanted because of the nature of that religion. I feel it made me more understanding of really every religion, and less judgemental than many people I know who only ever knew one religion. A catholic started this post who grew up never knowing anything about judaism. I want to provide my kids with a solid understanding of every religion, without it being so one-sided.
It's funny, I grew up going to Catholic school and I knew NOTHING about other religions. I had a vague notion that there were Catholics and Jews, and I had NO idea of what a Jew was except that they were different. I think I understood that they didn't believe in Jesus, but that was it. Then I switched to public school and there was still ONE Jewish person in the class. It wasn't until I went to high school that I knew a lot of jewish people and I began to understand the religion. Since then, I've been learning a lot about religions and I plan to pass that on to my (interfaith) children.
Some of the most intelligent, well educated, open minded people I know were raised in interfaith households, or households where the were exposed to a lot of information and allowed to choose. It's not the only choice, but it's a valid choice.
Exactly. I think it is the nature of any intelligent person to question beliefs, and not accept that the one option is the only one. It's really sad that they don't incorporate the principles of other religions into CCD.
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Re: Question about Religion
Posted by nov04libride
Posted by marymoon
Posted by nov04libride
Posted by Maathy317
I've never been one who believed that it was a good idea to not do anything and let your children decide once they are older. How can you make a decision on something you know nothing about? At least, with some background about some faith, you can make an informed decision. Faith is the greatest gift you can give your child. Toys are broken and gone, money is spent, people come and go, but, faith is constant.
To answer that question from someone whose parents let us choose our own religion, growing up we went to different religions each week. We grew up in a very diverse area, and we went to presbyterian, catholicism, quaker, methodist, lutheran, and jewish temples. And I also went to an Episcopal high school! I feel now that this gave me a better view of all religions than any course through one church or temple, where the teachings are of course slanted because of the nature of that religion. I feel it made me more understanding of really every religion, and less judgemental than many people I know who only ever knew one religion. A catholic started this post who grew up never knowing anything about judaism. I want to provide my kids with a solid understanding of every religion, without it being so one-sided.
It's funny, I grew up going to Catholic school and I knew NOTHING about other religions. I had a vague notion that there were Catholics and Jews, and I had NO idea of what a Jew was except that they were different. I think I understood that they didn't believe in Jesus, but that was it. Then I switched to public school and there was still ONE Jewish person in the class. It wasn't until I went to high school that I knew a lot of jewish people and I began to understand the religion. Since then, I've been learning a lot about religions and I plan to pass that on to my (interfaith) children.
Some of the most intelligent, well educated, open minded people I know were raised in interfaith households, or households where the were exposed to a lot of information and allowed to choose. It's not the only choice, but it's a valid choice.
Exactly. I think it is the nature of any intelligent person to question beliefs, and not accept that the one option is the only one. It's really sad that they don't incorporate the principles of other religions into CCD.
I really wish they did. Literally the ONLY CCD class I remember vividly is the one in which we had a mock passover seder and learned about passover and holy thursday. I found it so interesting. Contrast that with another CCD teacher I had saying the world would end and we'd all go to heaven when everyone was Catholic. 
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Re: Question about Religion
So true....
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Re: Question about Religion
Posted by Jacquie
so, if he did not receive a bar mitzvah, then he is not considered Jewish. So that means that he would not have to convert. He would just need to take classes to become Catholic?
Also, does anyone know how you go about doing this?
As far as I know, most people would say he is still jewish even though he did not have a bar mitzvah. It's a coming of age, not an initiation, and some sects believe you don't need the initiation to be Jewish. He would still have to "convert" but I believe it is the same process whether you're coming from technically being another religion and no religion. You have to call the church. It's called RCIA (Rite of Christian Initiation in Adults). It usually culminates in people receiveing all three sacraments, Baptism, Communion and Confirmation at the Easter Vigil Mass (Go this year to the Easter Vigil and see it take place, it's beautiful!)...I believe you need 6mos-1 year of classes. Take your DH to the Easter Vigil and see how e feels about it. I know in most cases you have to prove that you really want to convert and you are converting for the right reasons. I don't know how it's done in Catholicism, but I know in Judaism, the story is that the rabbi will turn you away three times, and if you come back the fourth, then you're serious.
The church will have all of the info you need on this, but I think going tot he Easter Vigil at a loal church will be a good start. 
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JenniferEver
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Re: Question about Religion
For the record the Torah does not equal the Old Testament/Hebrew Bible, it refers to the Pentateuch, the First Five Books. The Hebrew Bible as a whole is the Tanakh, include the Torah (Teachings), The Neviim (The Prophets) and the Ketuvim (The Writings). Forgive me for my poor spelling of the Hebrew. A lot of people use Torah interchangeably with Tanakh, but I've actually seen people get into arguments over it, or walk away with big misunderstandings because they and the person they were speaking to were using a different definition of "Torah"... As in, someone will say "Many people believe that Moses wrote the Torah" (meaning the first five books), and someone will walk away thinking they meant that Moses wrote the entire Hebrew Bible...
Sorry, random interjection. 
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Re: Question about Religion
Posted by nov04libride
To answer that question from someone whose parents let us choose our own religion, growing up we went to different religions each week. We grew up in a very diverse area, and we went to presbyterian, catholicism, quaker, methodist, lutheran, and jewish temples. And I also went to an Episcopal high school! I feel now that this gave me a better view of all religions than any course through one church or temple, where the teachings are of course slanted because of the nature of that religion. I feel it made me more understanding of really every religion, and less judgemental than many people I know who only ever knew one religion. A catholic started this post who grew up never knowing anything about judaism. I want to provide my kids with a solid understanding of every religion, without it being so one-sided. I'm not judging, but how can anyone be sure their religion is right for them when they know nothing about other major religions?
Well Said!! I grew up catholic and DH is Jewish and I want to be able to teach our children about all religions with the Core belief of GOD.
As for the original post, I believe it should be up to what your DH feels comfortable practicing. Not only is being Jewish a religion, it is also a culture. Also, if your Jewish, according to the Rabbi we spoke to while we were planning our wedding, he mentioned that there does not need to be a Celebration/Party of a bar/bat mitzvah but that it occurs once you turn 13.
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Re: Question about Religion
Exactly. I think it is the nature of any intelligent person to question beliefs, and not accept that the one option is the only one. It's really sad that they don't incorporate the principles of other religions into CCD.
Actually, this is not true for all CCD/Catholic schools.
While we didn't cover all of the world relgions thoroughly both my high school religion class AND my ninth grade social studies class (it's now part of the Global History curriculum in 9th grade to do world religions) exposed us to the tenenants of Judaism. We even visited a temple and received a tour and had a question and answer with the rabbi... back in 1981.
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Maathy317
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Re: Question about Religion
Posted by nov04libride
Posted by Maathy317
I've never been one who believed that it was a good idea to not do anything and let your children decide once they are older. How can you make a decision on something you know nothing about? At least, with some background about some faith, you can make an informed decision. Faith is the greatest gift you can give your child. Toys are broken and gone, money is spent, people come and go, but, faith is constant.
To answer that question from someone whose parents let us choose our own religion, growing up we went to different religions each week. We grew up in a very diverse area, and we went to presbyterian, catholicism, quaker, methodist, lutheran, and jewish temples. And I also went to an Episcopal high school! I feel now that this gave me a better view of all religions than any course through one church or temple, where the teachings are of course slanted because of the nature of that religion. I feel it made me more understanding of really every religion, and less judgemental than many people I know who only ever knew one religion. A catholic started this post who grew up never knowing anything about judaism. I want to provide my kids with a solid understanding of every religion, without it being so one-sided. I'm not judging, but how can anyone be sure their religion is right for them when they know nothing about other major religions?
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Re: Question about Religion
Posted by Tah-wee-ZAH
Exactly. I think it is the nature of any intelligent person to question beliefs, and not accept that the one option is the only one. It's really sad that they don't incorporate the principles of other religions into CCD.
Actually, this is not true for all CCD/Catholic schools.
While we didn't cover all of the world relgions thoroughly both my high school religion class AND my ninth grade social studies class (it's now part of the Global History curriculum in 9th grade to do world religions) exposed us to the tenenants of Judaism. We even visited a temple and received a tour and had a question and answer with the rabbi... back in 1981.
I think the difference is that it might be up to the CCD instructor. Marymoon had one instructor not mention it at all, and another recreate a Jewish ceremony. Maybe there is a need for uniform teachings in CCD classes. It just seems like from what I have seen, most people seem to feel like CCD taught close-mindedness more than anything. I'm not saying anything about the religion, but just that acceptance should be taught so that it isn't that children feel that anyone not like them goes to he!!. I don't fundamentally believe that babies are born evil and sinners and will go to He!! unless baptized, but I can respect that others feel that way. To me living a moral and ethical life means being non-judgemental and accepting, and I just feel that that isn't taught enough in religious instruction.
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JenniferEver
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Re: Question about Religion
Yeah, it's unfortunate that learning about different religions seems to be the exception and not the rule. Especially in terms of christians learning about judaism. Christianity is based in Judaism. The entire easter story made SO much more sense to me when I learned about Judaism
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Re: Question about Religion
To respond to nov04libride, your first post said nothing about your diverse background in interacting with other faiths. I was talking about children who have absolutely no connection with any faith whatsoever on any level. Obviously, with your background, you would be able to make an informed and intelligent decision regarding yourself and your family. If you're not clear with your original post, don't be so quick to jump to the wrong conclusion with others.
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Re: Question about Religion
Posted by Maathy317
To respond to nov04libride, your first post said nothing about your diverse background in interacting with other faiths. I was talking about children who have absolutely no connection with any faith whatsoever on any level. Obviously, with your background, you would be able to make an informed and intelligent decision regarding yourself and your family. If you're not clear with your original post, don't be so quick to jump to the wrong conclusion with others.
No, definitely. I was probably an exception and not a norm. And I married a catholic that felt he was force-fed religion he did not believe in, and never went to church again (basically) after his communion, so that probably colors some of my opinions.
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Re: Question about Religion
Thank you very much everyone...my husband does go to Easter Mass, as well as Christmas Mass with us every year. I am going to sit down and speak with him, and let him know all the great information you have told me, because we were both a little confused. Thanks again!
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JenniferEver
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Re: Question about Religion
Posted by Jacquie
Thank you very much everyone...my husband does go to Easter Mass, as well as Christmas Mass with us every year. I am going to sit down and speak with him, and let him know all the great information you have told me, because we were both a little confused. Thanks again!
Good Luck and let us know how it goes!
Do you go to the saturday night vigil? That's when you can see the RCIA rights happenning.
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