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Re: Random Q about home conditions on LI vs. anywhere else
Posted by Gertyrae
Okay...so apparently you just want to complain about the condition of homes in this area - it wasn't a question after all.
And, if you look at the link that you posted, for the areas you requested, the median household income is higher in NY and so it the disposable income (as I had said). So, your theory about people having more disposable income in these other areas is moot.
If you think the houses you looked at here are gross and filthy and the ones in CT. are beautiful, buy in CT.
End of story.
I think I (and others) have complained enough about the homes around here. lol
I posted this b/c I genuinely was curious as to what people thought about the fact that the majority of homes I have seen in person or online on LI are in such bad shape and in other OLDER parts of the country, they are in excellent shape.
I thought it would be an interesting topic since the age of the home was not a factor in this case. But I can see that as usual, people take offense to any criticism of homes on LI.
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Re: Random Q about home conditions on LI vs. anywhere else
i think you are right, if you search multiple listing websites here vs other areas you'll see many more flithy, cluttered disorganized homes here than in other areas. I think there are a couple of factors. first up until this time last year people were fighting to buy anything & everything on LI no matter how flithy or whatever if it was in a semi-decent town or better.
Secondly I think LI in the recent past has been saturated with RE agents that were just riding the wave & not encouraging the homeowners to clean up, even if it was just for picture day. You'll see more & more "staged" homes now that the market is slower & inventory is so high.
Resales sell poorly in areas like Cary because there is such a boom on new construction, if ou want to sell your "used" home there it better show like a model.
As for CT, its a different market & I'm going to take a guess & say its a combo of better REAs & people realizing a house that shows well sells faster.
Only places like here & CA could you get people to pay top dollar for run down, flithy, outdated, 50 year old homes. The rest of the country has never seen anything like that.
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Re: Random Q about home conditions on LI vs. anywhere else
It's not a question of taking offense. It was a discussion and people were offering their opinions.
And then you post this...
Posted by SweetestOfPeas
why put in the effort? how about because these people are living in pig sties. sorry, but the filth that we have seen... i can't believe ANYONE would want to live that way. forget about building equity, it's just disgusting!
Which just leads us back to you talking about the houses being gross on LI.
My house is NOT gross, it's very clean and neat and I have posted pics of it numerous times. I don't know where you were looking, but we looked in Medford and Patchogue (not the wealthiest neighborhoods) and while there were a few dumps, there were also quite a few houses we liked, including the one we bought.
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Re: Random Q about home conditions on LI vs. anywhere else
Posted by KellyFG
i think you are right, if you search multiple listing websites here vs other areas you'll see many more flithy, cluttered disorganized homes here than in other areas. I think there are a couple of factors. first up until this time last year people were fighting to buy anything & everything on LI no matter how flithy or whatever if it was in a semi-decent town or better.
Secondly I think LI in the recent past has been saturated with RE agents that were just riding the wave & not encouraging the homeowners to clean up, even if it was just for picture day. You'll see more & more "staged" homes now that the market is slower & inventory is so high.
Resales sell poorly in areas like Cary because there is such a boom on new construction, if ou want to sell your "used" home there it better show like a model.
As for CT, its a different market & I'm going to take a guess & say its a combo of better REAs & people realizing a house that shows well sells faster.
Only places like here & CA could you get people to pay top dollar for run down, flithy, outdated, 50 year old homes. The rest of the country has never seen anything like that.
I have to agree with this, completely. I know when we sell our house in GA we'll have to paint, upgrade and fix everything because there is so much competition and it BETTER "show like a model" or it won't move.
Also, I think people in CT stay in their houses longer and take better care of it because of that vs. in LI where we've seen the market explode and so many people buy and sell fast to make more $$ and get a better, more expensive house. I bet those are well maintained though.
So I agree with Gertyrae in that a higher price point will get you a better house.
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Re: Random Q about home conditions on LI vs. anywhere else
I have to agree with this, completely. I know when we sell our house in GA we'll have to paint, upgrade and fix everything because there is so much competition and it BETTER "show like a model" or it won't move.
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I can see this to be true- and I have to admitt I am guilty of it when I look
and it seems to be more of a selling point in other states- on a Georgia website you can search by year that the house was built
but I am looking for a certain style of kitchen- b/c I don't want to have to spend any money when we first move in
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Re: Random Q about home conditions on LI vs. anywhere else
are you comparing the same neighborhoods? If you are comparing a $400K house on LI to a $400K house in eastern CT (where it is much cheaper), then of course the house on LI is going to look worse.
and Ive seen houses online in the south that are  too (of course, they are $100K...)
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Re: Random Q about home conditions on LI vs. anywhere else
It truly is relative.
The median price of a home on the link the OP pasted in Cary, NC is $250K whereas the median price of a home in
Holbrook is $400K.
It's very hard to compare...land value is different, markets are different, and neighborhoods are different.
My opinion on the whole LI vs. other places is...those who want to stay on LI will stay no matter what the cost and those who want to move should move. If you aren't happy here and don't like what is available, by all means go somewhere that you will be happy. After all, it's a 30 year investment, you want to do what is right for you and not for other people.
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Re: Random Q about home conditions on LI vs. anywhere else
Posted by KellyFG
I think there are a couple of factors. first up until this time last year people were fighting to buy anything & everything on LI no matter how flithy or whatever if it was in a semi-decent town or better.
Secondly I think LI in the recent past has been saturated with RE agents that were just riding the wave & not encouraging the homeowners to clean up, even if it was just for picture day. You'll see more & more "staged" homes now that the market is slower & inventory is so high.
I think these are all valid points! thanks 
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Re: Random Q about home conditions on LI vs. anywhere else
Posted by Gertyrae
It truly is relative.
The median price of a home on the link the OP pasted in Cary, NC is $250K whereas the median price of a home in
Holbrook is $400K.
It's very hard to compare...land value is different, markets are different, and neighborhoods are different.
My opinion on the whole LI vs. other places is...those who want to stay on LI will stay no matter what the cost and those who want to move should move. If you aren't happy here and don't like what is available, by all means go somewhere that you will be happy. After all, it's a 30 year investment, you want to do what is right for you and not for other people.
actually, according to that site I posted earlier, the median price of a home in Holbrook is $325k, only $75k more than Cary.
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Re: Random Q about home conditions on LI vs. anywhere else
Posted by Gertyrae
It truly is relative.
The median price of a home on the link the OP pasted in Cary, NC is $250K whereas the median price of a home in
Holbrook is $400K.
It's very hard to compare...land value is different, markets are different, and neighborhoods are different.
My opinion on the whole LI vs. other places is...those who want to stay on LI will stay no matter what the cost and those who want to move should move. If you aren't happy here and don't like what is available, by all means go somewhere that you will be happy. After all, it's a 30 year investment, you want to do what is right for you and not for other people.
Actually Cary is NOT a place to compare to LI. Cary is VERY expensive for the area. One of the most expensive. And most local people cannot afford it. LOTS of houses in Cary are in the $500-600 range. They even had issues with the teachers, firefighter and local people who have "regular" jobs and could not afford living in the town they work in.
Bottom line, I bought a 3 bedrooms house, 2 car garage ranch in NC several years ago for $115K. I sold it. Before I moved to LI, I made an offer on a town house in a "SUPER EXCLUSIVE" neighborood at $126K brand new with 1 car garage on 1st floor.
End of story. Houses pop like mushrooms. You can find cheaper houses in OK, TN, etc... for a LOT more of a house than on LI, NJ or Staten Island.
Either you accept what you get for the money or you move in a different state. Plenty of people are doing it.
Standard of living is much better in NC than on LI. Sales tax is lower, etc.... but you are in NC not NY. Not next to the City and all it's "glamour". So, again it's not comparable.
ETA: you can do a search on San Diego. Get ready for a chock. It's super expensive. Some dumps in CA are over $1M.
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SweetestOfPeas
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Re: Random Q about home conditions on LI vs. anywhere else
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Posted by Gertyrae
It truly is relative.
The median price of a home on the link the OP pasted in Cary, NC is $250K whereas the median price of a home in
Holbrook is $400K.
It's very hard to compare...land value is different, markets are different, and neighborhoods are different.
My opinion on the whole LI vs. other places is...those who want to stay on LI will stay no matter what the cost and those who want to move should move. If you aren't happy here and don't like what is available, by all means go somewhere that you will be happy. After all, it's a 30 year investment, you want to do what is right for you and not for other people.
Actually Cary is NOT a place to compare to LI. Cary is VERY expensive for the area. One of the most expensive. And most local people cannot afford it. LOTS of houses in Cary are in the $500-600 range. They even had issues with the teachers, firefighter and local people who have "regular" jobs and could not afford living in the town they work in.
Bottom line, I bought a 3 bedrooms house, 2 car garage ranch in NC several years ago for $115K. I sold it. Before I moved to LI, I made an offer on a town house in a "SUPER EXCLUSIVE" neighborood at $126K brand new with 1 car garage on 1st floor.
End of story. Houses pop like mushrooms. You can find cheaper houses in OK, TN, etc... for a LOT more of a house than on LI, NJ or Staten Island.
Either you accept what you get for the money or you move in a different state. Plenty of people are doing it.
Standard of living is much better in NC than on LI. Sales tax is lower, etc.... but you are in NC not NY. Not next to the City and all it's "glamour". So, again it's not comparable.
see this is not the direction I wanted this thread to go. we've beaten the "dead horse" on this topic 100's of times.
and yes, Cary is definitely the more expensive area in NC - thanks to Money magazine rating it one of the top places to live in the US for the 3rd or 4th yr in a row.
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Re: Random Q about home conditions on LI vs. anywhere else
Posted by Meaghan729
are you comparing the same neighborhoods? If you are comparing a $400K house on LI to a $400K house in eastern CT (where it is much cheaper), then of course the house on LI is going to look worse.
and Ive seen houses online in the south that are too (of course, they are $100K...)
I agree...there are houses in every state...not just LI or CT or NC or wherever...and I don't think it has anything to do with "class"....Some people work hard to keep their house clean and nice...others could care less...but they still afford to make that monthly mortgage payment.
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Re: Random Q about home conditions on LI vs. anywhere else
Posted by SweetestOfPeas
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see this is not the direction I wanted this thread to go. we've beaten the "dead horse" on this topic 100's of times.
and yes, Cary is definitely the more expensive area in NC - thanks to Money magazine rating it one of the top places to live in the US for the 3rd or 4th yr in a row.
I'm confused
Where did you want the thread to go?
You asked why you think home are in different conditions in different areas and we are discussing the different areas.
What would you like us to discuss?
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Re: Random Q about home conditions on LI vs. anywhere else
Posted by Gertyrae
Posted by SweetestOfPeas
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see this is not the direction I wanted this thread to go. we've beaten the "dead horse" on this topic 100's of times.
and yes, Cary is definitely the more expensive area in NC - thanks to Money magazine rating it one of the top places to live in the US for the 3rd or 4th yr in a row.
I'm confused
Where did you want the thread to go?
You asked why you think home are in different conditions in different areas and we are discussing the different areas.
What would you like us to discuss?
I wanted to get peoples opinions on why the houses here are in such bad shape vs. other parts of the country. period
why do so many people here not update their homes or live in disgusting conditions. you can't deny the sheer # of threads on the home board where people post horrid pics from MLSLI.
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Re: Random Q about home conditions on LI vs. anywhere else
actually, according to that site I posted earlier, the median price of a home in Holbrook is $325k, only $75k more than Cary.
unless they are factoring in townhomes, $325K for the median house price sounds low to me.
and flip this house is on - they are flipping in TEXAS - and the house is disgusting - because its been vacant - i also don't think you see a lot of vacant homes here. (like 5 yrs + vacant) , where in cheaper areas you do.
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Re: Random Q about home conditions on LI vs. anywhere else
Posted by Meaghan729
actually, according to that site I posted earlier, the median price of a home in Holbrook is $325k, only $75k more than Cary.
unless they are factoring in townhomes, $325K for the median house price sounds low to me.
and flip this house is on - they are flipping in TEXAS - and the house is disgusting - because its been vacant - i also don't think you see a lot of vacant homes here. (like 5 yrs + vacant) , where in cheaper areas you do.
We are watching that too 
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Re: Random Q about home conditions on LI vs. anywhere else
My sister lives in Vermont and let me tell you, there and all the way up (upstate NY) you see houses that are falling down, literally.
Consider -- people buy houses on LI and can JUST afford the mortgage - we see people post this on here all the time. Now, taxes go up every single year - that extra $$ you were putting aside for a new roof - now goes in a politico's pocket. What can you do? Not much - keep paying the mortgage and as things get more and more run down, your taxes go up and services are minimized.
And -- the constant desire to "keep up with the Joneses" as far as big screen TVs, huge-azz SUVs and luxury cars (why are 20-somethings driving BMWs??), the clothes, the bags, yadda yadda-- hello credit card debit!! Good bye home equity loan!
These I believe are in a nutshell the largest reasons not everyone can MAINTAIN a house on LI.
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Re: Random Q about home conditions on LI vs. anywhere else
Posted by SweetestOfPeas
I wanted to get peoples opinions on why the houses here are in such bad shape vs. other parts of the country. period
why do so many people here not update their homes or live in disgusting conditions. you can't deny the sheer # of threads on the home board where people post horrid pics from MLSLI.
Okay...but I don't think that the horrid pics are the majority of whats available, there are also a lot of "Wow, I wish I had this house" posts. I think that it's just entertainment value.
I can only vouch for my personal experiences and I didn't see that many disgusting homes when I was looking. And we looked for a year and a half. There were some not so great places, but I would say that most of the houses were clean. They just weren't what we were looking for.
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Re: Random Q about home conditions on LI vs. anywhere else
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Posted by smdl
Posted by Gertyrae
It truly is relative.
The median price of a home on the link the OP pasted in Cary, NC is $250K whereas the median price of a home in
Holbrook is $400K.
It's very hard to compare...land value is different, markets are different, and neighborhoods are different.
My opinion on the whole LI vs. other places is...those who want to stay on LI will stay no matter what the cost and those who want to move should move. If you aren't happy here and don't like what is available, by all means go somewhere that you will be happy. After all, it's a 30 year investment, you want to do what is right for you and not for other people.
Actually Cary is NOT a place to compare to LI. Cary is VERY expensive for the area. One of the most expensive. And most local people cannot afford it. LOTS of houses in Cary are in the $500-600 range. They even had issues with the teachers, firefighter and local people who have "regular" jobs and could not afford living in the town they work in.
Bottom line, I bought a 3 bedrooms house, 2 car garage ranch in NC several years ago for $115K. I sold it. Before I moved to LI, I made an offer on a town house in a "SUPER EXCLUSIVE" neighborood at $126K brand new with 1 car garage on 1st floor.
End of story. Houses pop like mushrooms. You can find cheaper houses in OK, TN, etc... for a LOT more of a house than on LI, NJ or Staten Island.
Either you accept what you get for the money or you move in a different state. Plenty of people are doing it.
Standard of living is much better in NC than on LI. Sales tax is lower, etc.... but you are in NC not NY. Not next to the City and all it's "glamour". So, again it's not comparable.
see this is not the direction I wanted this thread to go. we've beaten the "dead horse" on this topic 100's of times.
and yes, Cary is definitely the more expensive area in NC - thanks to Money magazine rating it one of the top places to live in the US for the 3rd or 4th yr in a row.
I was just putting my 2 cents since I lived in both state.
Trust me... when I first moved to NY and saw the apartment situation I totally freaked out. NOW, I am used to it. 
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Re: Random Q about home conditions on LI vs. anywhere else
Posted by karacg
My sister lives in Vermont and let me tell you, there and all the way up (upstate NY) you see houses that are falling down, literally.
And -- the constant desire to "keep up with the Joneses" as far as big screen TVs, huge-azz SUVs and luxury cars (why are 20-somethings driving BMWs??), the clothes, the bags, yadda yadda-- hello credit card debit!! Good bye home equity loan!
I agree with this 100% - I think a lot of people on LI are spending their money on luxury items and not their homes.
But, I also think that when you try to look on out of state websites at homes for sale, they mostly show new builds.
My mom was thinking about moving to TN a few years ago. She went house hunting with my aunt and they looked at a lot of homes. The ones under $200K and older were the same as up here, just a little bigger - the new builds were beautiful and around $300K...but that was where the RE agent always took them. They only found the older homes by driving around and knocking on doors.
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Re: Random Q about home conditions on LI vs. anywhere else
Posted by Gertyrae
Posted by karacg
My sister lives in Vermont and let me tell you, there and all the way up (upstate NY) you see houses that are falling down, literally.
And -- the constant desire to "keep up with the Joneses" as far as big screen TVs, huge-azz SUVs and luxury cars (why are 20-somethings driving BMWs??), the clothes, the bags, yadda yadda-- hello credit card debit!! Good bye home equity loan!
I agree with this 100% - I think a lot of people on LI are spending their money on luxury items and not their homes.
But, I also think that when you try to look on out of state websites at homes for sale, they mostly show new builds.
My mom was thinking about moving to TN a few years ago. She went house hunting with my aunt and they looked at a lot of homes. The ones under $200K and older were the same as up here, just a little bigger - the new builds were beautiful and around $300K...but that was where the RE agent always took them. They only found the older homes by driving around and knocking on doors.
Interesting theory about what LIers are spending money on, but everywhere I go I see construction going on and people putting money into their homes. It's like stay and fix it up or take your money and leave. People are knockiing down older homes and rebuilding. The increase of HELOCS has increased exponentially over the last 5 years or so. People are putting money into their homes but then that's driving the price of the home up since they spent the money. So those homes are in the $500K ++ range and out of the range of first time homebuyers.
Another theory is that there are more generations living with each other on LI to help keep the affordability factor. So more people in less space means more clutter and that may not look as attractive and leads to more wear and tear over a shorter time. We also have an aging population here and fixed incomes don't permit for home improvements. There is very little senior housing that is affordable here. My three neighbors all live with their parents. Big homes that have not been updated. The homes are clean but in need of renovation. Those homes are great but you would need to eventualy upgrade everything. They will still sell.
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Re: Random Q about home conditions on LI vs. anywhere else
Posted by Blu-ize
Interesting theory about what LIers are spending money on, but everywhere I go I see construction going on and people putting money into their homes. It's like stay and fix it up or take your money and leave. People are knockiing down older homes and rebuilding. The increase of HELOCS has increased exponentially over the last 5 years or so. People are putting money into their homes but then that's driving the price of the home up since they spent the money. So those homes are in the $500K ++ range and out of the range of first time homebuyers.
Another theory is that there are more generations living with each other on LI to help keep the affordability factor. So more people in less space means more clutter and that may not look as attractive and leads to more wear and tear over a shorter time. We also have an aging population here and fixed incomes don't permit for home improvements. There is very little senior housing that is affordable here. My three neighbors all live with their parents. Big homes that have not been updated. The homes are clean but in need of renovation. Those homes are great but you would need to eventualy upgrade everything. They will still sell.
All very true too -- look at at the McLevitt houses now!! But I think people put more $$ into the improvements than they can afford - they do it all at once instead of little by little - and can't keep up with the tax increase, or the maintenance.
Remember, if you double the size of your home, your heating and electricity will nearly double as well. People don't take this into account, they just want bigger, and then when they can't maintain it.....well you might see it on MLS after a few years of neglect!
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Re: Random Q about home conditions on LI vs. anywhere else
Posted by karacg
Posted by Blu-ize
Interesting theory about what LIers are spending money on, but everywhere I go I see construction going on and people putting money into their homes. It's like stay and fix it up or take your money and leave. People are knockiing down older homes and rebuilding. The increase of HELOCS has increased exponentially over the last 5 years or so. People are putting money into their homes but then that's driving the price of the home up since they spent the money. So those homes are in the $500K ++ range and out of the range of first time homebuyers.
Another theory is that there are more generations living with each other on LI to help keep the affordability factor. So more people in less space means more clutter and that may not look as attractive and leads to more wear and tear over a shorter time. We also have an aging population here and fixed incomes don't permit for home improvements. There is very little senior housing that is affordable here. My three neighbors all live with their parents. Big homes that have not been updated. The homes are clean but in need of renovation. Those homes are great but you would need to eventualy upgrade everything. They will still sell.
All very true too -- look at at the McLevitt houses now!! But I think people put more $$ into the improvements than they can afford - they do it all at once instead of little by little - and can't keep up with the tax increase, or the maintenance.
Remember, if you double the size of your home, your heating and electricity will nearly double as well. People don't take this into account, they just want bigger, and then when they can't maintain it.....well you might see it on MLS after a few years of neglect!
ya! that's why we decided to do things a little at a time. No HELOC here.
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Re: Random Q about home conditions on LI vs. anywhere else
Lots of good points being made here, but I also want to say that I search out houses that are disgusting & unkempt & another factor that hasn't been mentioned is they are often long time rental properties. I've looked at tons of houses in Selden, Centereach, Ronkonkoma and other towns that have been owned by the same person for years but for whatever reason they've been renting the house out.
Those are often some of the worst I've seen, if the seller really wanted to get top dollar it would be smarter to get the tenant out, pay to clean, paint & freshen up & then list.
Instead we end up with homes on MLSLI like the infamous "girl sleeping in bed" shot.
Another aspect that is a personal favorite of mine is "on the balls of their a$$" situation, they are behind on bills-getting desperate, house is a mess, too stressed to get it together, no equity left to re-fi before foreclosure notices start coming.
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Re: Random Q about home conditions on LI vs. anywhere else
Posted by KellyFG
Lots of good points being made here, but I also want to say that I search out houses that are disgusting & unkempt & another factor that hasn't been mentioned is they are often long time rental properties.
Another aspect that is a personal favorite of mine is "on the balls of their a$$" situation, they are behind on bills-getting desperate, house is a mess, too stressed to get it together, no equity left to re-fi before foreclosure notices start coming.
Two excellent points...especially the rental factor. Although, I do think that the sellers have problems getting the renters out and end up putting the house up for sale to get rid of the "baggage".
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| Posted 2/25/07 4:45 PM |
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