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Re: See what supporters of Obama list as his legislative accomplishments
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Chris Matthews, by contrast, is paid large sums of money to provide political commentary and insight. I assume he has research assistants at his disposal. He could have done this work a lot more easily than I did. But he didn't. He was more interested in gotcha moments than in actually enlightening the American people.
So here's a challenge for Chris Matthews, or anyone else in the media who wants to take it up. Go over Clinton and Obama's actual legislative records. Find the genuine legislative accomplishments that each has to his or her name. Report to the American people on what you find. Until you do, don't accept statements from either side about who has substance and who does not, or who traffics in "speeches" and who offers "solutions". That's lazy, unprofessional, and a disservice to your audience. "
Why is it Chris Matthew's job to educate people on what Obama has done? People should be educating themselves, esp before supporting a presidential candidate on national tv. The point of those interviews was for those who support Obama to give us reasons why we should support Obama as well, you know, convince the rest of us to vote for him, not for Chris Matthews to give us reasons why we should support Obama.
And I do believe Chris Matthews made a point, whether her intended to or not, and that is people need to do research before they jump on the Obama hype train. Yes, everyone should do research before they vote for any candidate....but the main issue here is the Obama hype train that many are jumping on not really knowing enough about him/his accomplishments.
As I said in an earlier post, as long as you know good reasons you are supporting Obama (or HIll, or McCain) then that is why you should vote. Not just b/c someone is being hyped up or is an inspirational speaker, etc.
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Re: See what supporters of Obama list as his legislative accomplishments
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Chris Matthews, by contrast, is paid large sums of money to provide political commentary and insight. I assume he has research assistants at his disposal. He could have done this work a lot more easily than I did. But he didn't. He was more interested in gotcha moments than in actually enlightening the American people.
So here's a challenge for Chris Matthews, or anyone else in the media who wants to take it up. Go over Clinton and Obama's actual legislative records. Find the genuine legislative accomplishments that each has to his or her name. Report to the American people on what you find. Until you do, don't accept statements from either side about who has substance and who does not, or who traffics in "speeches" and who offers "solutions". That's lazy, unprofessional, and a disservice to your audience. "
Why is it Chris Matthew's job to educate people on what Obama has done? People should be educating themselves, esp before supporting a presidential candidate on national tv. The point of those interviews was for those who support Obama to give us reasons why we should support Obama as well, you know, convince the rest of us to vote for him, not for Chris Matthews to give us reasons why we should support Obama.
To me the job of a journalist is to provide information to the public. Not only is he not giving true information about Obama (in the end, all he did was to make a State Senator look like a fool...kudos to Matthews), but he's allowing people to then say "I'll support Clinton because Obama's done nothing!" or "I'll support McCain!", when in the end, he did not give a true representation of any of the candidates.
If people should be educating themselves, why didn't you yourself find out his accomplishments before posing the question? Because he does have impressive accomplishments, and they've been posted.
It appears that it's been proven that the ignorant American public prefer to be ignorant than be enlightened, because clearly many people are snowed by this short video that proves...nothing, except that a State Senator embarrassed himself.
Again, I'm not even an Obama supporter, but before bashing any candidate I would try to find out the truth myself...
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Re: See what supporters of Obama list as his legislative accomplishments
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If people should be educating themselves, why didn't you yourself find out his accomplishments before posing the question? Because he does have impressive accomplishments, and they've been posted.
It appears that it's been proven that the ignorant American public prefer to be ignorant than be enlightened, because clearly many people are snowed by this short video that proves...nothing, except that a State Senator embarrassed himself.
I am not going on national TV to support any candidate. Those videos are showing people who are supporting him on national tv. This isn't about me, or what I know or don't know about him.
This video shows that the Obama hype train is simply based on hype, not education of the voters.
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Re: See what supporters of Obama list as his legislative accomplishments
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I am not going on national TV to support any candidate. Those videos are showing people who are supporting him on national tv. This isn't about me, or what I know or don't know about him.
It isn't? I thought it was about the ignorance of the American public. Or was it just about the ignorance of a State Senator?
If it was, no one is arguing that the Senator was not prepared or well-versed enough.
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Re: See what supporters of Obama list as his legislative accomplishments
Posted by Goobster
This video shows that the Obama hype train is simply based on hype, not education of the voters.
Unfortunately, I think this comment holds true for all the candidates and a vast majority of their supporters. Not just the Obama camp.
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Re: See what supporters of Obama list as his legislative accomplishments
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I am not going on national TV to support any candidate. Those videos are showing people who are supporting him on national tv. This isn't about me, or what I know or don't know about him.
It isn't? I thought it was about the ignorance of the American public. Or was it just about the ignorance of a State Senator?
If it was, no one is arguing that the Senator was not prepared or well-versed enough.
It is about the ignorance of MANY Obama supporters, who are just buying into the "He equates change" theory. People keep saying we need a change. How are Hillary and McCain not change? After all, they are NOT GWB.
People are really just putting too much hype into Obama being "different" and that therefore assumes he will be the best person to run this country. As I said earlier, know why you are voting for him if you are voting for him. And if you are going to support his campaign, esp on national tv, you better know a thing or two that he did if anyone asks you why you are voting for him. That's the bottom line.
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Re: See what supporters of Obama list as his legislative accomplishments
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This video shows that the Obama hype train is simply based on hype, not education of the voters.
Unfortunately, I think this comment holds true for all the candidates and a vast majority of their supporters. Not just the Obama camp.
I do think many voters have no idea why they are voting for a candidate. Sure that's true. But Obama has a hype train unlike any other candidate. And that's what makes this situation more unique. I really don't believe there is a Hillary hype or a McCain hype train. At least I haven't seen it.
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Re: See what supporters of Obama list as his legislative accomplishments
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It is about the ignorance of MANY Obama supporters, who are just buying into the "He equates change" theory. People keep saying we need a change. How are Hillary and McCain not change? After all, they are NOT GWB.
People are really just putting too much hype into Obama being "different" and that therefore assumes he will be the best person to run this country. I said earlier, know why you are voting for him if you are voting for him. And if you are going to support his campaign, esp on national tv, you better know a thing or two that he did if anyone asks you why you are voting for him. That's the bottom line.
awww you deleted the sentence that said the hype was because he isn't white? I was ready to sit back and pop some popcorn. 
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Re: See what supporters of Obama list as his legislative accomplishments
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It is about the ignorance of MANY Obama supporters, who are just buying into the "He equates change" theory. People keep saying we need a change. How are Hillary and McCain not change? After all, they are NOT GWB.
People are really just putting too much hype into Obama being "different" and that therefore assumes he will be the best person to run this country. I said earlier, know why you are voting for him if you are voting for him. And if you are going to support his campaign, esp on national tv, you better know a thing or two that he did if anyone asks you why you are voting for him. That's the bottom line.
awww you deleted the sentence that said the hype was because he isn't white? I was ready to sit back and pop some popcorn.
I did delete that but I did say that in an earlier post on this thread I believe.
People ARE equating his not being older and white as assuming it will be change. Why else are people saying "We need something DIFFERENT?" What else makes HIM different I ask you?
There is nothing wrong with that statement. Many people truly believe that.
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Re: See what supporters of Obama list as his legislative accomplishments
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awww you deleted the sentence that said the hype was because he isn't white? I was ready to sit back and pop some popcorn.
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Obama representative cannot even name ONE of Obama's accomplishments in a TV interview w/ Chris Matthews. Unbelievable.
Interview w/ Chris Matthews
Hannity and Colmes video of Obama supporters who cannot name one accomplishment
Too many people are jumping on the Obama hype train when they really don't even know anything about him. They just are buying into the hype and assuming he will be better/different b/c he isn't the usual "white, older" candidate. Speaking well is great, and being inspirational is great also, but being a president is about more than these two things.
These people all look ridiculous to not know one thing to say about the candidate they are standing behind on national tv. 
BTW, there it is, in my very first post, the one that started the thread.
Nothing wrong with what I said. People will literally say
"He is DIFFERENT, he is change. We need change."
So what then, I ask you again, makes him different exactly?
And why don't these people see Hillary (a woman) or McCain as different, since NEITHER of them are GWB?
So I think my point is well made. Don't try to spin this into a race issue.
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Re: See what supporters of Obama list as his legislative accomplishments
I understand your point and I agree that it is alarming that people are voting without real knowlege...BUT
it still is not a reflection on what Obama actually has accomplished. perhaps if these people that are following based on hype learned a bit more about him, they'd only strengthen their belief that he is the right person for the job...or perhaps they'd find something in his voting record or proposals that doesn't sit well, and they'd look to another candidate that better represents their ideals and wants/needs for the country.
but it is the individuals fault that they are ill informed. the information is out there. Obama himself has been very forthright with the freedom of information.
but like I said. people love to be sheep. and he has the charisma to be a shepard to a very large flock.
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Re: See what supporters of Obama list as his legislative accomplishments
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It is about the ignorance of MANY Obama supporters, who are just buying into the "He equates change" theory. People keep saying we need a change. How are Hillary and McCain not change? After all, they are NOT GWB.
People are really just putting too much hype into Obama being "different" and that therefore assumes he will be the best person to run this country. I said earlier, know why you are voting for him if you are voting for him. And if you are going to support his campaign, esp on national tv, you better know a thing or two that he did if anyone asks you why you are voting for him. That's the bottom line.
awww you deleted the sentence that said the hype was because he isn't white? I was ready to sit back and pop some popcorn.
I did delete that but I did say that in an earlier post on this thread I believe.
People ARE equating his not being older and white as assuming it will be change. Why else are people saying "We need something DIFFERENT?" What else makes HIM different I ask you?
There is nothing wrong with that statement. Many people truly believe that.
Anyway, if you said the point of the thread was to point out that supporters should be better versed in his background, I think we all agree, and I'd take it a step further and say as voters we need to research ALL the candidates to know how the person we are voting for is different, instead of jumping on a bandwagon. If that's the hype, clearly there is an anti-hype, that is equally committed to NOT finding out the facts.
I just don't get why, now that his many accomplishments have been posted ad nauseam, that the point isn't that there is hype that isn't deserved, but rather that his supporters should be aware of these accomplishments.
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Re: See what supporters of Obama list as his legislative accomplishments
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It is about the ignorance of MANY Obama supporters, who are just buying into the "He equates change" theory. People keep saying we need a change. How are Hillary and McCain not change? After all, they are NOT GWB.
People are really just putting too much hype into Obama being "different" and that therefore assumes he will be the best person to run this country. As I said earlier, know why you are voting for him if you are voting for him. And if you are going to support his campaign, esp on national tv, you better know a thing or two that he did if anyone asks you why you are voting for him. That's the bottom line.
But don't you think there are many ignorant Clinton and McCain supporters?
Don't you think there are people voting for Clinton strictly for the fact that she's Bill Clinton's wife and for no other reason but name recognition?
As for McCain, don't you think there are people who simply "vote the party line" and therefore will vote for him simply b/c he's the republican candidate? Of course!
I believe you're arguement that Obama has this huge hype train is not really a fair arguement.
Clinton has had a HUGE hype train going for years, even before she announced she was running for pres.
Everyone knew what she was up to when she moved to NY and then became Senator. There was HUGE hype then. So why should Obama be any different? Same thing for that matter with McCain.
Sadly, politics IS about the hype. This is nothing new.
As far as I'm concerned Hillary's big hype is her "experience". What experience does she have with running this nation? She was the first lady? So does that mean Laura bush should have run for pres? For that matter what did Hillary do while she was first lady? I really couldn't tell you. I remember the whitewater scandal though.
IMO she did nothing notable that I can recall. On the other hand who doesn't know who started the "Just Say No" campaign and what it stood for? Does that mean we should elect Nancy Reagan president?
All I'm trying to say is that EVERY candidate has HYPE. It's what makes the political world go round and round. Why should Obama be any different?
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Re: See what supporters of Obama list as his legislative accomplishments
Me personally, I am not going to list what McCain or Clinton has done. I am not the one going on national tv programs saying vote for Hillary or McCain. I want people who support Obama to come on this thread and LIST what he has accomplished in legislature.
THIS is a cop out. the girl asked you a legit question and you won't answer it because you probably can't list anything. this thread was started for a  reason to show that alot of supporters don't know the facts when MOST do. it's america. we're filled with moronic people that do things to please others and jump on bandwagons. just like you guys are jumping on the anti obama bandwagon. what happened to all of the "supporters" on here a few months back when there was the whole argument of obama's middle name. sounds like some of YOU are the flip floppers.
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Re: See what supporters of Obama list as his legislative accomplishments
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If that's true, why isn't the female candidate attracting more hype? Isn't she different from any President we've ever had?
People already feel like they "know" her b/c of Bill Clinton...
Most people truly are equating Obama as a definite change b/c he is NOT white or older...in addition to being a dem which many people want the Reps out of office since Dubya.
Obama is everything that GWB is not (whereas McCain is a white, older Rep like GWB, and Hill is a white Dem whose DH already was in office so some history is there)and THAT is where the Obama "WILL automatically BE DIFFERENT< SO WE MUST VOTE FOR HIM" hype comes from. But does thaty make him the best candidate to run this country simply based on these assumptions?
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Re: See what supporters of Obama list as his legislative accomplishments
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Me personally, I am not going to list what McCain or Clinton has done. I am not the one going on national tv programs saying vote for Hillary or McCain. I want people who support Obama to come on this thread and LIST what he has accomplished in legislature.
THIS is a cop out. the girl asked you a legit question and you won't answer it because you probably can't list anything. this thread was started for a reason to show that alot of supporters don't know the facts when MOST do. it's america. we're filled with moronic people that do things to please others and jump on bandwagons. just like you guys are jumping on the anti obama bandwagon. what happened to all of the "supporters" on here a few months back when there was the whole argument of obama's middle name. sounds like some of YOU are the flip floppers.
I can pull up a list from the website they posted and cut and pasted too...everyone just cut and pasted. If you want me to do that, sure, I can do it.
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Re: See what supporters of Obama list as his legislative accomplishments
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what happened to all of the "supporters" on here a few months back when there was the whole argument of obama's middle name. sounds like some of YOU are the flip floppers.
I was never one of his supporters BTW.
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Re: See what supporters of Obama list as his legislative accomplishments
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If that's true, why isn't the female candidate attracting more hype? Isn't she different from any President we've ever had?
People already feel like they "know" her b/c of Bill Clinton...
Most people truly are equating Obama as a definite change b/c he is NOT white or older...in addition to being a dem which many people want the Reps out of office since Dubya.
Obama is everything that GWB is not (whereas McCain is a white, older Rep like GWB, and Hill is a white Dem whose DH already was in office so some history is there)and THAT is where the Obama "WILL automatically BE DIFFERENT< SO WE MUST VOTE FOR HIM" hype comes from. But does thaty make him the best candidate to run this country simply based on these assumptions?
Again, did you read his accomplishments that have been listed? I don't see how you can read them and say he has no accomplishments. You keep talking in circles and ignore the posts that say what he has done. Is he the best qualified, well, I am not an Obama supporter, but I can see and acknowledge his many accomplishments.
It is kind of ignorant to refuse to read his many legislative accomplishments when they have been posted. Is there hype, sure. Did GW's name get him voted into office, quite possibly. It's the way of the world. Will another old white guy be voted into office, probably.
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Re: See what supporters of Obama list as his legislative accomplishments
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It is kind of ignorant to refuse to read his many legislative accomplishments when they have been posted. Is there hype, sure. Did GW's name get him voted into office, quite possibly. It's the way of the world.
I didn't say he has none, I said no one (esp those dummies coming on national tv) could list any that he was well known for.
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ok, so ventura as a write in then?
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Re: See what supporters of Obama list as his legislative accomplishments
It is about the ignorance of MANY Obama supporters, who are just buying into the "He equates change" theory. People keep saying we need a change. How are Hillary and McCain not change? After all, they are NOT GWB..
this isn't true. McCain even said he'd be there for the next 20 years if they had to be. that's not a change at all. McCain doesn't know where he stands on anything. he flip flops for the votes
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Re: See what supporters of Obama list as his legislative accomplishments
I do think many voters have no idea why they are voting for a candidate. Sure that's true. But Obama has a hype train unlike any other candidate. And that's what makes this situation more unique. I really don't believe there is a Hillary hype or a McCain hype train. At least I haven't seen it.
also not true. Hilary has a huge "fan" base and that's why this race is too close to tell. I feel like maybe YOU aren't doing the research and are going against everyone else to seem different
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Re: See what supporters of Obama list as his legislative accomplishments
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Posted by nov04libride
It is kind of ignorant to refuse to read his many legislative accomplishments when they have been posted. Is there hype, sure. Did GW's name get him voted into office, quite possibly. It's the way of the world.
I didn't say he has none, I said no one (esp those dummies coming on national tv) could list any that he was well known for.
In addition,
If you look at that link to the Library of Congress where people posted the accomplishments from,
Mc Cain has 37
Hillary has 162 under her name.
And Obama has 122.
So wouldn't that possibly make Hillary the most qualified candidate overall?
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also not true. Hilary has a huge "fan" base and that's why this race is too close to tell. I feel like maybe YOU aren't doing the research and are going against everyone else to seem different
Who is everyone else exactly? I am entitled to my opinion, just as you are yours. I don't say things to "seem" different, duh, how old am I?
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Re: See what supporters of Obama list as his legislative accomplishments
I'd also like to say that people are jumping on the hil band wagon (for a fact) because they think that bill clinton will help her run the country and we'll have those 8 years again like we did with bill. so there is a huge hype on her as well. and obviously McCain otherwise he wouldnt have won on a landslide.
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