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Sleeping issues - I don't know what to do anymore
What on earth can it be? I know she is getting her 2nd top tooth...I gave her motrin tonight and she's already starting to get up every 10 minutes...usually it doesn't start until 11pm. This happens at least once an hour allllllllllll night. She stands up and cries and cries. I've let her cry but she doesn't stop. And as soon as we pick her up...she stops. Is she in pain? Is she playing us? I don't know what to do anymore... PLEASE HELP.
She used to go down awake and if she woke up only needed her nuk. It just changed overnight the last few weeks. 
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MrsR
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Re: Sleeping issues - I don't know what to do anymore
how old is she? How does she react when you go in to her?
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| Posted 7/31/07 8:31 PM |
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BaroqueMama
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Re: Sleeping issues - I don't know what to do anymore
What's her bedtime routine like? What kind of sleeping conditions does she have? (does she fall asleep to the sound of a white noise machine, a fan, music? etc)?
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| Posted 7/31/07 8:31 PM |
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2kids2cats
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Re: Sleeping issues - I don't know what to do anymore
She is 8 1/2 months. She was ALWAYS a good sleeper.
We don't have an exact nighttime routine - but a general one. Usually we play, then go for a walk maybe, has a bath and a bottle. Tonight she went down right after the bottle, but she usually fights in now so we let her play on the floor because she won't be in a bad mood - just doesn't want to go to bed. But now she fights bedtime and gets up every 30 minutes to an hour and immediately starts crying and climbing the railing with her eyes closed and stands there crying. She knows how to sit back down but she stands there and screams. Until we pick her up. I try to pry her off the bars and put her back down and put her music on and pat her butt, but lately that isn't working and DH or myself ends up taking her out after going in there so many times and as soon as we pick her up, she turns to mush but as soon as we walk near the crib it's like she knows and holds on for dear life and starts screaming. I just don't get it.
And now...because I'm so scared of my own shadow...I just went up and gave her another bottle (she pushes them away during the day now) and she was looking away from me and started smiling and then laughing like someone was doing something, so now I'm freaked that a ghost is waking her lol.
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| Posted 7/31/07 8:50 PM |
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2kids2cats
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Re: Sleeping issues - I don't know what to do anymore
She just got up crying AGAIN for the 5th time in one hour!!!!! 
What am I doing wrong here? She's clearly tired, she's not pulling at her ears...
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| Posted 7/31/07 8:52 PM |
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Re: Sleeping issues - I don't know what to do anymore
ok - can I be honest...from what you are saying - it totally sounds like she is playing you.
Have you tried to seriously stick to a CIO plan for a few days?
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| Posted 7/31/07 8:54 PM |
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Re: Sleeping issues - I don't know what to do anymore
Posted by MrsR
ok - can I be honest...from what you are saying - it totally sounds like she is playing you.
Have you tried to seriously stick to a CIO plan for a few days?
I'm looking for honesty. I didn't stick to a CIO plan. We kind of just let her cry. But we can't do it too long. I've let it go 30 minutes but when she starts coughing from the crying, we can't do it.
She's not smiling when we go get her. She hasn't slept on us since...forever. It seems like she's getting scared because just suddenly wakes crying, wanting out of there.
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| Posted 7/31/07 8:58 PM |
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BaroqueMama
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Re: Sleeping issues - I don't know what to do anymore
Posted by MrsR
ok - can I be honest...from what you are saying - it totally sounds like she is playing you.
Have you tried to seriously stick to a CIO plan for a few days?
I agree, I definitely think she knows that if she fusses it out enough, she won't have to go to sleep. I also know, from my own experience, that at about that same exact age, we had to get rigid, and I mean RIGID, with Ava's bedtime routine so that there was no guessing involved about it being bedtime. Once we made things consistent, she slept through the night no problem. After about a month or two of being strict with her routine, we were able to switch it up a bit, but even now, at almost 14 months, we use the same exact bedtime routine as we did back then.
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| Posted 7/31/07 8:58 PM |
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Re: Sleeping issues - I don't know what to do anymore
Posted by Kitkat
She knows how to sit back down but she stands there and screams. Until we pick her up. I try to pry her off the bars and put her back down and put her music on and pat her butt, but lately that isn't working and DH or myself ends up taking her out after going in there so many times and as soon as we pick her up, she turns to mush
I think you have figured it out by what you wrote above.
She knows that if she just cries long enough she will get the attention she wants from you.
It's really difficult to hear them cry but at this point she needs an absolutely 100% consistent routine where you do not give in to her. It will take a few nights, or maybe several (I hope not), just keep reminding yourself you are teaching her a valuable tool.
I fear my DD will be the same way, she isn't now but you never know...
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| Posted 7/31/07 9:00 PM |
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Re: Sleeping issues - I don't know what to do anymore
Posted by prncss
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ok - can I be honest...from what you are saying - it totally sounds like she is playing you.
Have you tried to seriously stick to a CIO plan for a few days?
I agree, I definitely think she knows that if she fusses it out enough, she won't have to go to sleep. I also know, from my own experience, that at about that same exact age, we had to get rigid, and I mean RIGID, with Ava's bedtime routine so that there was no guessing involved about it being bedtime. Once we made things consistent, she slept through the night no problem. After about a month or two of being strict with her routine, we were able to switch it up a bit, but even now, at almost 14 months, we use the same exact bedtime routine as we did back then.
What is your routine? Why would she be dead asleep though and just wake up screaming like that? And it's not teething pain screaming, although a tooth is about to break through. I have seen her with teething pain crying, this is different. I also know her "i'm pis sed" you just left me in the crib to sleep" cry, it's not that either.
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| Posted 7/31/07 9:01 PM |
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Re: Sleeping issues - I don't know what to do anymore
I agree about getting Rigid. I hate to say it - cause i hate being rigid but I have to be or else my daughter takes complete advantage and doesnt sleep - ever!! It started when she was 3 months old...and it continues to this day...
if you are interested in a CIO plan I can help you - I have done it before. it is hard - you have to REALLY want it (I always seem to hit my breaking point and then I do it) but like Rachel said - I highly recommend being rigid now.
eta: what time is her afternoon nap?
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| Posted 7/31/07 9:05 PM |
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BaroqueMama
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Re: Sleeping issues - I don't know what to do anymore
Well, from what I have read and what I already knew, all babies wake in the middle of their sleep cycles. If they wake up and realize all is cool, they'll go back to bed. But if they wake up and things are not how they were when they went to sleep, ie, no one's patting their butt, the music on the cd stopped, the white noise machine is off, etc, they get scared and have a hard time falling back to sleep. So you have to make sure that when they go to bed that they will have the exact same conditions in the middle of the ngiht when they inevitably wake. Does that make sense?
As for our bedtime routine, it actually starts right after dinnertime. As soon as she has dinner, I put her in her pjs, then we play for a half hour, then it's directly into the pack n play where she has her last cup of milk for the day, and watches a video, the SAME darn video every night, and we leave her alone to chill out. Not physically, we're in the room, but we go about our business and don't talk to her. She sits quietly, usually reading a book or playing with something in her pack n play now rather than watchign the video, but it helps her wind down. After the video is done, I change her diaper and directly to the crib. I don't know how we stumbled on this, but even to this day, if I change the stupid video to something different, she just gets upset, even though she hardly watches it anymore. I bought her this cute little Dora couch to lay on instead of going in the pack n play, but she wasn't having it. So why mess with a good thing, right?
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| Posted 7/31/07 9:08 PM |
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2kids2cats
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Re: Sleeping issues - I don't know what to do anymore
Posted by MrsR
I agree about getting Rigid. I hate to say it - cause i hate being rigid but I have to be or else my daughter takes complete advantage and doesnt sleep - ever!! It started when she was 3 months old...and it continues to this day...
if you are interested in a CIO plan I can help you - I have done it before. it is hard - you have to REALLY want it (I always seem to hit my breaking point and then I do it) but like Rachel said - I highly recommend being rigid now.
eta: what time is her afternoon nap?
I will be honest - I don't know how rigid I can be but something has to change. I'd love to hear the plan. She seems disoriented when she's crying too - like she's awake but doesn't know why and just cries.
She usually has a 1 1/2 to 2 hour morning nap and then an afternoon nap at 2:30-3 until 4ish.
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| Posted 7/31/07 9:08 PM |
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MrsR
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Re: Sleeping issues - I don't know what to do anymore
well if you make a decision to stick to a night time ritual - and want to CIO and really want to stick with it for a few days you have to be ready to be rigid and show her that you are the boss and that it is time to sleep - period.
Rachel is so right abou tthings being the same. My daughter has to have her blankets and dolls all in the proper place in her crib or else she just wont go to sleep...it seems bizarre to us - but to them it's comforting.
eta: Did you try tylenol at night instead? Motrin tends to make my DD hyper.
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| Posted 7/31/07 9:11 PM |
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2kids2cats
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Re: Sleeping issues - I don't know what to do anymore
Posted by prncss
Well, from what I have read and what I already knew, all babies wake in the middle of their sleep cycles. If they wake up and realize all is cool, they'll go back to bed. But if they wake up and things are not how they were when they went to sleep, ie, no one's patting their butt, the music on the cd stopped, the white noise machine is off, etc, they get scared and have a hard time falling back to sleep. So you have to make sure that when they go to bed that they will have the exact same conditions in the middle of the ngiht when they inevitably wake. Does that make sense?
Makes lots of sense - thanks. Well we have her ocean aquarium or another music thing we put on, but it is obviously off when she wakes in the middle of the night. She has her precious moments angel that she holds when she sleeps and its always nearby. She got used to the noise of the humidifier so now if we don't have the AC on, we still put it on fan mode just for the noise. So maybe I shouldn't put on the ocean aquarium? She's always gone to sleep with the music on.
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| Posted 7/31/07 9:11 PM |
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BaroqueMama
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Re: Sleeping issues - I don't know what to do anymore
Ava shared a room with us at that age and she always fell asleep with the tv on, but muted so that I could come to bed and actually see where I was going. Believe it or not, as soon as I started to leave the tv off, she stopped waking and freaking out. It was that simple. I'm not saying it's going to be that simple for your DD, but hey, you never know. The slightest things can make a big difference!
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| Posted 7/31/07 9:14 PM |
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2kids2cats
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Re: Sleeping issues - I don't know what to do anymore
I'm willing to try anything - thanks for the advice girls! So next time she wakes...which should be in about 20 minutes  I will sooth her back to sleep but not put her music on...baby steps
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| Posted 7/31/07 9:15 PM |
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MrsR
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Re: Sleeping issues - I don't know what to do anymore
good luck!! and if you need any CIO advice down the line FM me :)
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| Posted 7/31/07 9:17 PM |
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Re: Sleeping issues - I don't know what to do anymore
Posted by MrsR
good luck!! and if you need any CIO advice down the line FM me :)
That will be tomorrow's step I'm sure  . I'm already sleep deprived from last night...and tonight isn't looking so good.
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| Posted 7/31/07 9:19 PM |
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Re: Sleeping issues - I don't know what to do anymore
Last night was BETTER. Not the best, but better. We decided to go in as soon as she stood up so she wouldn't get hysterical and we were able to just put her down, give the nuk and a few pats on the butt. And I didn't turn her mobile on like I normally do, I left it quiet and I think it helped. Instead of screaming and having to console her by holding her. Her 2nd top tooth looks closer to coming out so I'm praying this is at least the reason she's waking. If not...I may have to give CIO a shot!
Thanks again for your help!
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