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So sorry for all the flu threads...but I wanted to share, Dr. Sears finally posted his stance on the Swine flu shot
http://www.askdrsears.com/thevaccinebook/
I have to say that based on this...I think I am finally ready to take the leap.
I think (GULP) I am going to get my DD all 4 flu shots.
I just dont know how I can go the next 8 mths or so worrying everyday about the flu. It's consuming my life. And the thought of something very bad happening to her is probably greater from the flu, than from the flu shots.
So here is what I came up with. I will get ONE regular flu shot for her (next week). I figure that one has a track record so let's start with that.
If she tolerates that well, I will get at least one swine flu shot next. If she tolerates that well, I would go for the next swine first. Then lastly...I may or may not get the last regular flu shot (#2).
I will probably hold off on the 12 mths shots (nov). Just too many right now...
I hope I am doing the right thing. Thank you all for your posts and for letting me think out loud. My head has just been spinning... 
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Re: So sorry for all the flu threads...but I wanted to share, Dr. Sears finally posted his stance on the Swine flu shot
Just wanted to let you know if you don't get both regualr flu shots (the 1st and the booster) your DC will have to get 2 next year.
this happened to me- we only got 1 flu shot for DD and the ped at the time never told us she needed a booster- so last season she had to get two.
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Re: So sorry for all the flu threads...but I wanted to share, Dr. Sears finally posted his stance on the Swine flu shot
Posted by Sassyz75
Just wanted to let you know if you don't get both regualr flu shots (the 1st and the booster) your DC will have to get 2 next year.
this happened to me- we only got 1 flu shot for DD and the ped at the time never told us she needed a booster- so last season she had to get two.
Ah, ok I get it. Either way...if I only get one, it would be b/c I dont want her getting another one this year. But its something to keep in mind, thank you.
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Re: So sorry for all the flu threads...but I wanted to share, Dr. Sears finally posted his stance on the Swine flu shot
I find this part really unsettling.......
"I’ve heard that the last swine flu vaccine caused a really bad reaction called GBS? What about THIS swine flu vaccine?
Every product insert for this new vaccine discusses this issue from 1976 in which the old swine flu vaccine caused a higher rate of GBS (weakness and paralysis reaction) than expected, so they stopped using it. That was a completely different strain of the swine flu than what we have today. Plus, that vaccine was made much differently than how they are made today. So, I see no correlation between the risk of GBS from that old vaccine and the current one.
Having said that, everyone needs to be aware that ANY flu vaccine poses a very small risk of a GBS reaction. Although I don’t think this new vaccine has an increased risk, what I DO worry about is that infants will be getting FOUR (count them, FOUR) flu vaccines this year – two doses of the regular one, and two doses of the swine flu vaccine. That’s unprecedented. We’ve never given anyone four doses of a flu vaccine in one year. There is no way to predict what the side effects might be."
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Re: So sorry for all the flu threads...but I wanted to share, Dr. Sears finally posted his stance on the Swine flu shot
Posted by eddiesmommy
I find this part really unsettling.......
"I’ve heard that the last swine flu vaccine caused a really bad reaction called GBS? What about THIS swine flu vaccine?
Every product insert for this new vaccine discusses this issue from 1976 in which the old swine flu vaccine caused a higher rate of GBS (weakness and paralysis reaction) than expected, so they stopped using it. That was a completely different strain of the swine flu than what we have today. Plus, that vaccine was made much differently than how they are made today. So, I see no correlation between the risk of GBS from that old vaccine and the current one.
Having said that, everyone needs to be aware that ANY flu vaccine poses a very small risk of a GBS reaction. Although I don’t think this new vaccine has an increased risk, what I DO worry about is that infants will be getting FOUR (count them, FOUR) flu vaccines this year – two doses of the regular one, and two doses of the swine flu vaccine. That’s unprecedented. We’ve never given anyone four doses of a flu vaccine in one year. There is no way to predict what the side effects might be."
This is true though. I asked my ped about it, and she told me that people can also get that reaction (GBS) from having a regular flu/virus (not a shot).
A poster on here had an aunt who did die from that reaction from a flu shot....so that was/is my biggest worry...it's all a damn gamble. 
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Re: So sorry for all the flu threads...but I wanted to share, Dr. Sears finally posted his stance on the Swine flu shot
Posted by Goobster
Posted by eddiesmommy
I find this part really unsettling.......
"I’ve heard that the last swine flu vaccine caused a really bad reaction called GBS? What about THIS swine flu vaccine?
Every product insert for this new vaccine discusses this issue from 1976 in which the old swine flu vaccine caused a higher rate of GBS (weakness and paralysis reaction) than expected, so they stopped using it. That was a completely different strain of the swine flu than what we have today. Plus, that vaccine was made much differently than how they are made today. So, I see no correlation between the risk of GBS from that old vaccine and the current one.
Having said that, everyone needs to be aware that ANY flu vaccine poses a very small risk of a GBS reaction. Although I don’t think this new vaccine has an increased risk, what I DO worry about is that infants will be getting FOUR (count them, FOUR) flu vaccines this year – two doses of the regular one, and two doses of the swine flu vaccine. That’s unprecedented. We’ve never given anyone four doses of a flu vaccine in one year. There is no way to predict what the side effects might be."
This is true though. I asked my ped about it, and she told me that people can also get that reaction (GBS) from having a regular flu/virus (not a shot).
A poster on here had an aunt who did die from that reaction from a flu shot....so that was/is my biggest worry...it's all a damn gamble.
I know its always a risk with the flu/shot but what scares me if it is so far unprecedented that babies have been give 4 flu shots in a single season and NO ONE knows the possible side effects to what is effectively a double dosage.
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Re: So sorry for all the flu threads...but I wanted to share, Dr. Sears finally posted his stance on the Swine flu shot
More people die from the flu than from GBS from the flu shot.
Just thought I'd put that out there.
Secondly - it may be 4 shots - BUT the swine flu one only has one protein in it. The seasonal one has 3 proteins. If they had been able to get the swine flu protein into the regular flu shot - it would have been the same 4 proteins.
It is really just two extra sticks - which is unpleasant, but is not putting anything more into the body than a seasonal flu shot will all four proteins would have.
Thirdly - A baby's immune response to only one flu shot is not that great. They need the booster to have the proper immunity to the virus.
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Re: So sorry for all the flu threads...but I wanted to share, Dr. Sears finally posted his stance on the Swine flu shot
Posted by eddiesmommy
Posted by Goobster
Posted by eddiesmommy
I find this part really unsettling.......
"I’ve heard that the last swine flu vaccine caused a really bad reaction called GBS? What about THIS swine flu vaccine?
Every product insert for this new vaccine discusses this issue from 1976 in which the old swine flu vaccine caused a higher rate of GBS (weakness and paralysis reaction) than expected, so they stopped using it. That was a completely different strain of the swine flu than what we have today. Plus, that vaccine was made much differently than how they are made today. So, I see no correlation between the risk of GBS from that old vaccine and the current one.
Having said that, everyone needs to be aware that ANY flu vaccine poses a very small risk of a GBS reaction. Although I don’t think this new vaccine has an increased risk, what I DO worry about is that infants will be getting FOUR (count them, FOUR) flu vaccines this year – two doses of the regular one, and two doses of the swine flu vaccine. That’s unprecedented. We’ve never given anyone four doses of a flu vaccine in one year. There is no way to predict what the side effects might be."
This is true though. I asked my ped about it, and she told me that people can also get that reaction (GBS) from having a regular flu/virus (not a shot).
A poster on here had an aunt who did die from that reaction from a flu shot....so that was/is my biggest worry...it's all a damn gamble.
I know its always a risk with the flu/shot but what scares me if it is so far unprecedented that babies have been give 4 flu shots in a single season and NO ONE knows the possible side effects to what is effectively a double dosage.
yeah that last part is freaking me out
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Re: So sorry for all the flu threads...but I wanted to share, Dr. Sears finally posted his stance on the Swine flu shot
Posted by Xelindrya
Posted by eddiesmommy
Posted by Goobster
Posted by eddiesmommy
I find this part really unsettling.......
"I’ve heard that the last swine flu vaccine caused a really bad reaction called GBS? What about THIS swine flu vaccine?
Every product insert for this new vaccine discusses this issue from 1976 in which the old swine flu vaccine caused a higher rate of GBS (weakness and paralysis reaction) than expected, so they stopped using it. That was a completely different strain of the swine flu than what we have today. Plus, that vaccine was made much differently than how they are made today. So, I see no correlation between the risk of GBS from that old vaccine and the current one.
Having said that, everyone needs to be aware that ANY flu vaccine poses a very small risk of a GBS reaction. Although I don’t think this new vaccine has an increased risk, what I DO worry about is that infants will be getting FOUR (count them, FOUR) flu vaccines this year – two doses of the regular one, and two doses of the swine flu vaccine. That’s unprecedented. We’ve never given anyone four doses of a flu vaccine in one year. There is no way to predict what the side effects might be."
This is true though. I asked my ped about it, and she told me that people can also get that reaction (GBS) from having a regular flu/virus (not a shot).
A poster on here had an aunt who did die from that reaction from a flu shot....so that was/is my biggest worry...it's all a damn gamble.
I know its always a risk with the flu/shot but what scares me if it is so far unprecedented that babies have been give 4 flu shots in a single season and NO ONE knows the possible side effects to what is effectively a double dosage.
yeah that last part is freaking me out
Well that is a concern to me too.
Cant deny that part, thats the part that scares me the most.
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Re: So sorry for all the flu threads...but I wanted to share, Dr. Sears finally posted his stance on the Swine flu shot
Thanks so much for posting this. I responded to your FM as well - this is very informative with a lot of info that really helps me to make a decision. There is a lot in here that makes me lean against the vaccines.
Also - for moms out there that are pg - did anyone know this - is this true what he says in the article:
What about pregnant and/or nursing mothers?
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"This is a little scary. The flu shots are ALREADY recommended for pregnant and nursing moms, BUT (and this is a really huge but) the vaccine product inserts make it very clear that the regular flu vaccines have never been tested on pregnant or nursing women to determine if there is any harm to fetuses or young babies (with one exception – the Flumist nasal spray brand did have some testing in this area, BUT not enough, as is stated in the product insert).
Despite this complete lack of research, it is recommended for these moms anyway. Anyone see a problem with that?"
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Re: So sorry for all the flu threads...but I wanted to share, Dr. Sears finally posted his stance on the Swine flu shot
Posted by itsbabytime
Thanks so much for posting this. I responded to your FM as well - this is very informative with a lot of info that really helps me to make a decision. There is a lot in here that makes me lean against the vaccines.
Also - for moms out there that are pg - did anyone know this - is this true what he says in the article:
What about pregnant and/or nursing mothers?
Quote:
"This is a little scary. The flu shots are ALREADY recommended for pregnant and nursing moms, BUT (and this is a really huge but) the vaccine product inserts make it very clear that the regular flu vaccines have never been tested on pregnant or nursing women to determine if there is any harm to fetuses or young babies (with one exception – the Flumist nasal spray brand did have some testing in this area, BUT not enough, as is stated in the product insert).
Despite this complete lack of research, it is recommended for these moms anyway. Anyone see a problem with that?"
I don't really understand how he can say this, being that the flu shot has been given to pregnant women for years. If there was an adverse effect, we would know.
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Re: So sorry for all the flu threads...but I wanted to share, Dr. Sears finally posted his stance on the Swine flu shot
Gah. The flu shot and vaccines in general are so maddening to think about-- I never know who to trust. Doctors all tell me to do it, but frankly, doctors have been wrong so many times about so many things, prescribing things and calling them "safe" and then later saying "oops."
I wish there were some solid answers.
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Re: So sorry for all the flu threads...but I wanted to share, Dr. Sears finally posted his stance on the Swine flu shot
Posted by SweetTooth
More people die from the flu than from GBS from the flu shot.
Just thought I'd put that out there.
Secondly - it may be 4 shots - BUT the swine flu one only has one protein in it. The seasonal one has 3 proteins. If they had been able to get the swine flu protein into the regular flu shot - it would have been the same 4 proteins.
It is really just two extra sticks - which is unpleasant, but is not putting anything more into the body than a seasonal flu shot will all four proteins would have.
Thirdly - A baby's immune response to only one flu shot is not that great. They need the booster to have the proper immunity to the virus.
also, the viral proteins are not the only ingredients in a vaccination. So instead of one vaccination and a booster with the other ingredients, you get the "others" a second time around and they dont know what they effects of that could be.
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Re: So sorry for all the flu threads...but I wanted to share, Dr. Sears finally posted his stance on the Swine flu shot
Posted by SweetTooth
Posted by itsbabytime
Thanks so much for posting this. I responded to your FM as well - this is very informative with a lot of info that really helps me to make a decision. There is a lot in here that makes me lean against the vaccines.
Also - for moms out there that are pg - did anyone know this - is this true what he says in the article:
What about pregnant and/or nursing mothers?
Quote:
"This is a little scary. The flu shots are ALREADY recommended for pregnant and nursing moms, BUT (and this is a really huge but) the vaccine product inserts make it very clear that the regular flu vaccines have never been tested on pregnant or nursing women to determine if there is any harm to fetuses or young babies (with one exception – the Flumist nasal spray brand did have some testing in this area, BUT not enough, as is stated in the product insert).
Despite this complete lack of research, it is recommended for these moms anyway. Anyone see a problem with that?"
I don't really understand how he can say this, being that the flu shot has been given to pregnant women for years. If there was an adverse effect, we would know.
See - I don't agree with this statement. It's established that different people respond to medications and vaccinations differently - some people's bodies are more effected by them. Look at for ex. DES - some mothers took it and their babies were just fine (I actually know of a personal experience with this) and others took it and it caused horrible side effects in their then unborn children.
There has definitely been a rise in all sorts of developmental problems - autism and the like and health issues lik cancers etc. in young children. Whose to say that the chemicals reaching the fetus from these vaccines are not having any effect? We certainly cannot say they are definitely not - especially, if there haven't been any controlled stuidies as Dr. Sears' points out.
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Re: So sorry for all the flu threads...but I wanted to share, Dr. Sears finally posted his stance on the Swine flu shot
Posted by itsbabytime
Posted by SweetTooth
Posted by itsbabytime
Thanks so much for posting this. I responded to your FM as well - this is very informative with a lot of info that really helps me to make a decision. There is a lot in here that makes me lean against the vaccines.
Also - for moms out there that are pg - did anyone know this - is this true what he says in the article:
What about pregnant and/or nursing mothers?
Quote:
"This is a little scary. The flu shots are ALREADY recommended for pregnant and nursing moms, BUT (and this is a really huge but) the vaccine product inserts make it very clear that the regular flu vaccines have never been tested on pregnant or nursing women to determine if there is any harm to fetuses or young babies (with one exception – the Flumist nasal spray brand did have some testing in this area, BUT not enough, as is stated in the product insert).
Despite this complete lack of research, it is recommended for these moms anyway. Anyone see a problem with that?"
I don't really understand how he can say this, being that the flu shot has been given to pregnant women for years. If there was an adverse effect, we would know.
See - I don't agree with this statement. It's established that different people respond to medications and vaccinations differently - some people's bodies are more effected by them. Look at for ex. DES - some mothers took it and their babies were just fine (I actually know of a personal experience with this) and others took it and it caused horrible side effects in their then unborn children.
There has definitely been a rise in all sorts of developmental problems - autism and the like and health issues lik cancers etc. in young children. Whose to say that the chemicals reaching the fetus from these vaccines are not having any effect? We certainly cannot say they are definitely not - especially, if there haven't been any controlled stuidies as Dr. Sears' points out.
I am sure that you can find MANY, MANY, moms of kids with autism, cancer, etc. who did not get a flu shot.
Typically, that is the one vaccine a pregnant woman will get.
The cancer that was caused from DES was extremely rare in the general population, but increased in the girls of mothers who had received it, so there was a direct link.
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Re: So sorry for all the flu threads...but I wanted to share, Dr. Sears finally posted his stance on the Swine flu shot
Posted by SweetTooth
Posted by itsbabytime
Posted by SweetTooth
Posted by itsbabytime
Thanks so much for posting this. I responded to your FM as well - this is very informative with a lot of info that really helps me to make a decision. There is a lot in here that makes me lean against the vaccines.
Also - for moms out there that are pg - did anyone know this - is this true what he says in the article:
What about pregnant and/or nursing mothers?
Quote:
"This is a little scary. The flu shots are ALREADY recommended for pregnant and nursing moms, BUT (and this is a really huge but) the vaccine product inserts make it very clear that the regular flu vaccines have never been tested on pregnant or nursing women to determine if there is any harm to fetuses or young babies (with one exception – the Flumist nasal spray brand did have some testing in this area, BUT not enough, as is stated in the product insert).
Despite this complete lack of research, it is recommended for these moms anyway. Anyone see a problem with that?"
I don't really understand how he can say this, being that the flu shot has been given to pregnant women for years. If there was an adverse effect, we would know.
See - I don't agree with this statement. It's established that different people respond to medications and vaccinations differently - some people's bodies are more effected by them. Look at for ex. DES - some mothers took it and their babies were just fine (I actually know of a personal experience with this) and others took it and it caused horrible side effects in their then unborn children.
There has definitely been a rise in all sorts of developmental problems - autism and the like and health issues lik cancers etc. in young children. Whose to say that the chemicals reaching the fetus from these vaccines are not having any effect? We certainly cannot say they are definitely not - especially, if there haven't been any controlled stuidies as Dr. Sears' points out.
I am sure that you can find MANY, MANY, moms of kids with autism, cancer, etc. who did not get a flu shot.
Typically, that is the one vaccine a pregnant woman will get.
The cancer that was caused from DES was extremely rare in the general population, but increased in the girls of mothers who had received it, so there was a direct link.
that still doesnt change the fact there have been no studies done.
Youll find people with lung cancer that dont smoke, but that doesnt mean smoking didnt cause lung cancer in some of those who have it.
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Re: So sorry for all the flu threads...but I wanted to share, Dr. Sears finally posted his stance on the Swine flu shot
Posted by SweetTooth
Posted by itsbabytime
Thanks so much for posting this. I responded to your FM as well - this is very informative with a lot of info that really helps me to make a decision. There is a lot in here that makes me lean against the vaccines.
Also - for moms out there that are pg - did anyone know this - is this true what he says in the article:
What about pregnant and/or nursing mothers?
Quote:
"This is a little scary. The flu shots are ALREADY recommended for pregnant and nursing moms, BUT (and this is a really huge but) the vaccine product inserts make it very clear that the regular flu vaccines have never been tested on pregnant or nursing women to determine if there is any harm to fetuses or young babies (with one exception – the Flumist nasal spray brand did have some testing in this area, BUT not enough, as is stated in the product insert).
Despite this complete lack of research, it is recommended for these moms anyway. Anyone see a problem with that?"
I don't really understand how he can say this, being that the flu shot has been given to pregnant women for years. If there was an adverse effect, we would know.
Not necessarily true. People took Celebrex for years before anyone put two and two together and discovered side effects that the studies hadn't demonstrated and pulled it from the market. There are no controlled studies, which means we don't truly know what the effects are, and any adverse effect is potentially being disregarded and/or attributed to something else.
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Re: So sorry for all the flu threads...but I wanted to share, Dr. Sears finally posted his stance on the Swine flu shot
I had no idea the kids need 2 shots for the regular flu  I think I'll just keep DS in the house the whole winter 
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Re: So sorry for all the flu threads...but I wanted to share, Dr. Sears finally posted his stance on the Swine flu shot
Posted by SweetTooth
Posted by itsbabytime
Thanks so much for posting this. I responded to your FM as well - this is very informative with a lot of info that really helps me to make a decision. There is a lot in here that makes me lean against the vaccines.
Also - for moms out there that are pg - did anyone know this - is this true what he says in the article:
What about pregnant and/or nursing mothers?
Quote:
"This is a little scary. The flu shots are ALREADY recommended for pregnant and nursing moms, BUT (and this is a really huge but) the vaccine product inserts make it very clear that the regular flu vaccines have never been tested on pregnant or nursing women to determine if there is any harm to fetuses or young babies (with one exception – the Flumist nasal spray brand did have some testing in this area, BUT not enough, as is stated in the product insert).
Despite this complete lack of research, it is recommended for these moms anyway. Anyone see a problem with that?"
I don't really understand how he can say this, being that the flu shot has been given to pregnant women for years. If there was an adverse effect, we would know.
my obgyn does not give them to pregnant women 
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Re: So sorry for all the flu threads...but I wanted to share, Dr. Sears finally posted his stance on the Swine flu shot
Just because, i'm going to throw this out there. This is the only way I have stayed sane throughout this. Regardless of whether a vaccine has been tested on 2 people or 2 million people, you (or your DC) are going to react however they are meant to react. Just because the FDA or whomever says ' its safe' - that really means 'in the majority of cases, it is safe'. It could have had adverse effects on someone, but overall, it had positive effects.
Just as a general example (because i'm not even opening up the can of worms about immunizations).... I had gotten the depo shot a few years back. Overall, known as a pretty safe med. I had a reaction to it. Blurred vision, numbness in my arm and fingers. You NEVER know how any medicine or vaccine is going to effect you. And just because they say certain meds are safe does not mean that a few years down the road they wont change that.
Follow your heart and do what you feel is best. If your DC is not going to get it, you need to be extra careful and take extra precautions.
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