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Ophelia
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so yeah...oil touched $102 a barrel and the dollar is at a record low
seriously...what is happening here?!
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Re: so yeah...oil touched $102 a barrel and the dollar is at a record low
I don't know but our company is really hurting. We import from Italy.
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MrsMerlot
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Re: so yeah...oil touched $102 a barrel and the dollar is at a record low
Recession: In macroeconomics, a recession is a decline in a country's gross domestic product (GDP), or negative real economic growth, for two or more successive quarters of a year.
An alternative, less accepted definition of recession is a downward trend in the rate of actual GDP growth as promoted by the business-cycle dating committee of the National Bureau of Economic Research.[1] That private organization defines a recession more ambiguously as "a significant decline in economic activity spread across the economy, lasting more than a few months." A recession may involve simultaneous declines in coincident measures of overall economic activity such as employment, investment, and corporate profits. Recessions may be associated with falling prices (deflation), or, alternatively, sharply rising prices (inflation) in a process known as stagflation. A severe or long recession is referred to as an economic depression. A devastating breakdown of an economy (essentially, a severe depression, or a hyperinflation, depending on the circumstances) is called economic collapse. Newspaper columnist Sidney J. Harris distinguished terms this way: "a recession is when your neighbor loses his job; a depression is when you lose your job."
Market-oriented economies are characterized by economic driving cycles, but actual recessions (declines in economic activity) do not always result in macroeconomic sub-financial declines in gross domestic product. There is much debate, sometimes ideologically motivated, as to whether government intervention smooths the cycle (see Keynesianism), exaggerates it (see Real business cycle theory), or even creates it (see monetarism).
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Ophelia
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remember, when Gulliver traveled....
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Re: so yeah...oil touched $102 a barrel and the dollar is at a record low
thanks love...
but I am also talking on a philosophical level. 
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Re: so yeah...oil touched $102 a barrel and the dollar is at a record low
I personally believe that consumer confidence has a huge role in the economy and demand. Not surprisingly, a report came out this week that consumer confidence is at its lowest in quite some time... 
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DRMom
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Re: so yeah...oil touched $102 a barrel and the dollar is at a record low
IMO the lobby system that we have and the pursuit of making corporations happy(like pharmaceutical and oil companies) is contributing to the detriment of almost every economic area in this country. There are technologies out there RIGHT NOW to cut our traditional fuel usage in half but the oil co. lobbies are so powerful that the people trying to get this out there are squashed.
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MrsMerlot
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Re: so yeah...oil touched $102 a barrel and the dollar is at a record low
Posted by Ophelia
thanks love...
but I am also talking on a philosophical level.
we're getting old.
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Taylorsmom
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Re: so yeah...oil touched $102 a barrel and the dollar is at a record low
Posted by melijane
IMO the lobby system that we have and the pursuit of making corporations happy(like pharmaceutical and oil companies) is contributing to the detriment of almost every economic area in this country. There are technologies out there RIGHT NOW to cut our traditional fuel usage in half but the oil co. lobbies are so powerful that the people trying to get this out there are squashed.
I totally agree... I've also heard that they do have these technologies and even car makers are fighting it.
Very sad
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sunnyplus3
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Re: so yeah...oil touched $102 a barrel and the dollar is at a record low
and of course DH informed me last night that we need an oil delivery
I've said it before & I'll say it again, this country is going to hell in a handbasket if we continue to be self-centered, greedy, wasteful pigs that keep electing more liars.
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Re: so yeah...oil touched $102 a barrel and the dollar is at a record low
Posted by KellyFG
I've said it before & I'll say it again, this country is going to hell in a handbasket if we continue to be self-centered, greedy, wasteful pigs that keep electing more liars.
But what can we do? Sane people don't want the job. For a long time I've felt like I have to vote for the best of the worst, KWIM?
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MarathonKnitter
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Re: so yeah...oil touched $102 a barrel and the dollar is at a record low
Posted by CathyB
Posted by KellyFG
I've said it before & I'll say it again, this country is going to hell in a handbasket if we continue to be self-centered, greedy, wasteful pigs that keep electing more liars.
But what can we do? Sane people don't want the job. For a long time I've felt like I have to vote for the best of the worst, KWIM?
ITA
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CkGm
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Re: so yeah...oil touched $102 a barrel and the dollar is at a record low
Posted by Taylorsmom
Posted by melijane
IMO the lobby system that we have and the pursuit of making corporations happy(like pharmaceutical and oil companies) is contributing to the detriment of almost every economic area in this country. There are technologies out there RIGHT NOW to cut our traditional fuel usage in half but the oil co. lobbies are so powerful that the people trying to get this out there are squashed.
I totally agree... I've also heard that they do have these technologies and even car makers are fighting it.
Very sad
ITA too... so sad....
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sunnyplus3
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Re: so yeah...oil touched $102 a barrel and the dollar is at a record low
People need to get involved with grassroots organizations start pushing for what we believe is right. People need to vote at EVERY election, not just "the Big ones" because those are the ones least likely to have candidates that are really looking for a change.
Its interesting, I got home from grocery shopping in Riverhead & I flicked on MSNBC to see what was up with Oil prices today, they are doing all day coverage of the fed. So they had a segment with two new car dealers, a Toyota dealer in Michigan & A GM dealer in Riverhead. When asked what their best selling cars were the guy in Michigan said "the hybrids", the guy on Long Island said "the equinox".
Now I don't want to get into a whole debate again about cars but do the people in Michigan not put their kids in car seats or are they just realizing smaller more green cars are smarter? Do you think they have less snow in Michigan than we have here?
GM has a few great hybrid products right now, why aren't they #1? because GM & the US oil companies & politicians have been having an orgy for so many years they'd rather keep selling gas guzzling SUVs & crossovers.
Our daily actions & possibly even SACRIFICES are going to help with change, its took years of greed & over abundance to get us in this mess, it will take years of being socially & environmentally responsible to get us out.
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DRMom
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Re: so yeah...oil touched $102 a barrel and the dollar is at a record low
Posted by KellyFG
People need to get involved with grassroots organizations start pushing for what we believe is right. People need to vote at EVERY election, not just "the Big ones" because those are the ones least likely to have candidates that are really looking for a change.
Its interesting, I got home from grocery shopping in Riverhead & I flicked on MSNBC to see what was up with Oil prices today, they are doing all day coverage of the fed. So they had a segment with two new car dealers, a Toyota dealer in Michigan & A GM dealer in Riverhead. When asked what their best selling cars were the guy in Michigan said "the hybrids", the guy on Long Island said "the equinox".
Now I don't want to get into a whole debate again about cars but do the people in Michigan not put their kids in car seats or are they just realizing smaller more green cars are smarter? Do you think they have less snow in Michigan than we have here?
GM has a few great hybrid products right now, why aren't they #1? because GM & the US oil companies & politicians have been having an orgy for so many years they'd rather keep selling gas guzzling SUVs & crossovers.
Our daily actions & possibly even SACRIFICES are going to help with change, its took years of greed & over abundance to get us in this mess, it will take years of being socially & environmentally responsible to get us out.
I agree with you on this but I think it is a larger issue than people buying or not buying certain "gas guzzlers." This issue needs to be addressed on a much larger scale and, quite simply, IMO, it will only happen if trhere are severe and immediate reform in the way the political system and lobbysists work.
Thats not to say a grassroots effort wouldn't help at all, I just don't think it is a total solution.
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sunnyplus3
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Re: so yeah...oil touched $102 a barrel and the dollar is at a record low
Posted by melijane
Posted by KellyFG
People need to get involved with grassroots organizations start pushing for what we believe is right. People need to vote at EVERY election, not just "the Big ones" because those are the ones least likely to have candidates that are really looking for a change.
Its interesting, I got home from grocery shopping in Riverhead & I flicked on MSNBC to see what was up with Oil prices today, they are doing all day coverage of the fed. So they had a segment with two new car dealers, a Toyota dealer in Michigan & A GM dealer in Riverhead. When asked what their best selling cars were the guy in Michigan said "the hybrids", the guy on Long Island said "the equinox".
Now I don't want to get into a whole debate again about cars but do the people in Michigan not put their kids in car seats or are they just realizing smaller more green cars are smarter? Do you think they have less snow in Michigan than we have here?
GM has a few great hybrid products right now, why aren't they #1? because GM & the US oil companies & politicians have been having an orgy for so many years they'd rather keep selling gas guzzling SUVs & crossovers.
Our daily actions & possibly even SACRIFICES are going to help with change, its took years of greed & over abundance to get us in this mess, it will take years of being socially & environmentally responsible to get us out.
I agree with you on this but I think it is a larger issue than people buying or not buying certain "gas guzzlers." This issue needs to be addressed on a much larger scale and, quite simply, IMO, it will only happen if trhere are severe and immediate reform in the way the political system and lobbysists work.
Thats not to say a grassroots effort wouldn't help at all, I just don't think it is a total solution.
Reform on a grand scale would be a dream come true, but IMO the best way to expedite that is by "we the people" refusing to buy vehicles that support the push by the gov to keep big oil strong & alternative energy small. Americans need to stop saying "hybrids cost more" starbucks cost more than bringing coffee from home but just about everyone I know does that(or at least they did until recently).
I'm not saying hybrids are a total solution, I have one because I refuse to support big oil but I think there are better vehicles yet to come.
People need to stop thinking you need to be a cool 62 degrees all summer, sweating sometimes lets you know you're alive. Turn the central AC off when its not that hot. LIPA is raping us on a daily basis, we are paying some of the highest energy rates in the US and as long as the demand stays high they'll need to keep adding surcharges to find more energy sources & whatever other lies they come up with.
I'm a believer that we could show the government & their corporate lovers that we are not putting up with it.
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Ophelia
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Re: so yeah...oil touched $102 a barrel and the dollar is at a record low
Posted by KellyFG
Posted by melijane
Posted by KellyFG
People need to get involved with grassroots organizations start pushing for what we believe is right. People need to vote at EVERY election, not just "the Big ones" because those are the ones least likely to have candidates that are really looking for a change.
Its interesting, I got home from grocery shopping in Riverhead & I flicked on MSNBC to see what was up with Oil prices today, they are doing all day coverage of the fed. So they had a segment with two new car dealers, a Toyota dealer in Michigan & A GM dealer in Riverhead. When asked what their best selling cars were the guy in Michigan said "the hybrids", the guy on Long Island said "the equinox".
Now I don't want to get into a whole debate again about cars but do the people in Michigan not put their kids in car seats or are they just realizing smaller more green cars are smarter? Do you think they have less snow in Michigan than we have here?
GM has a few great hybrid products right now, why aren't they #1? because GM & the US oil companies & politicians have been having an orgy for so many years they'd rather keep selling gas guzzling SUVs & crossovers.
Our daily actions & possibly even SACRIFICES are going to help with change, its took years of greed & over abundance to get us in this mess, it will take years of being socially & environmentally responsible to get us out.
I agree with you on this but I think it is a larger issue than people buying or not buying certain "gas guzzlers." This issue needs to be addressed on a much larger scale and, quite simply, IMO, it will only happen if trhere are severe and immediate reform in the way the political system and lobbysists work.
Thats not to say a grassroots effort wouldn't help at all, I just don't think it is a total solution.
Reform on a grand scale would be a dream come true, but IMO the best way to expedite that is by "we the people" refusing to buy vehicles that support the push by the gov to keep big oil strong & alternative energy small. Americans need to stop saying "hybrids cost more" starbucks cost more than bringing coffee from home but just about everyone I know does that(or at least they did until recently).
I'm not saying hybrids are a total solution, I have one because I refuse to support big oil but I think there are better vehicles yet to come.
People need to stop thinking you need to be a cool 62 degrees all summer, sweating sometimes lets you know you're alive. Turn the central AC off when its not that hot. LIPA is raping us on a daily basis, we are paying some of the highest energy rates in the US and as long as the demand stays high they'll need to keep adding surcharges to find more energy sources & whatever other lies they come up with.
I'm a believer that we could show the government & their corporate lovers that we are not putting up with it.
I sometimes feel this THIS is why change takes so long.
we all sit around and postulate about what the best way to go about it is, instead of doing what we EACH can do, everyday.
yes, the lobbyists are terrible. but don't buy an SUV and you give them less fuel.
yes, grassroots movements are nice, but they take so long to take shape..perhaps too long in our current situation.
we need to do it ALL...simultaneously. we need EVERYONE to give a SHYTE.
we need this to be more important than money.
we still hold on to the erroneous belief that money will save us.
the earth doesn't take mastercard or bribes. it will not be satisfied with a large donation from Microsoft.
we need to stop trying to figure out the best way...TAKING ACTION is the only way.
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Re: so yeah...oil touched $102 a barrel and the dollar is at a record low
I'm not disagreeing with what any of the above posters have said...all are valid points.
But let's think about the alternatives. What viable alternative fuels are out there that don't themselves require oil or fossil fuels to make?
Let's think about how many products, besides gasoline, require petroleum to make? Just take a look around your desk...your computer, pens, telephone, calculator, water bottle, the soles of your shoes, etc..
At what point will the price of gas be so high that you would be willing to say to yourself, "Today I'm gonna leave the car home and I'm gonna walk a mile to the supermarket, I'm gonna buy all my groceries and lug them back home a mile in my arms". I'm guessing that price would have to be pretty high, especially if you live in the suburbs.
The answer is not so simple and I think in the grand scheme, we have only just begun to look at the solutions.
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Ophelia
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Re: so yeah...oil touched $102 a barrel and the dollar is at a record low
Posted by bomb-blast
I'm not disagreeing with what any of the above posters have said...all are valid points.
But let's think about the alternatives. What viable alternative fuels are out there that don't themselves require oil or fossil fuels to make?
Let's think about how many products, besides gasoline, require petroleum to make? Just take a look around your desk...your computer, pens, telephone, calculator, water bottle, the soles of your shoes, etc..
At what point will the price of gas be so high that you would be willing to say to yourself, "Today I'm gonna leave the car home and I'm gonna walk a mile to the supermarket, I'm gonna buy all my groceries and lug them back home a mile in my arms". I'm guessing that price would have to be pretty high, especially if you live in the suburbs.
The answer is not so simple and I think in the grand scheme, we have only just begun to look at the solutions.
*ahem* I walk to and from the supermarket. lugging heavy bags of milk juice and special soda in glass bottles. 
ETA: I am perhaps an extremist, but I think what we really need is to revert to a PRE industrial revolution way of life.
I think it would be far simpler then anyway.
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sunnyplus3
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Re: so yeah...oil touched $102 a barrel and the dollar is at a record low
Posted by bomb-blast
I'm not disagreeing with what any of the above posters have said...all are valid points.
But let's think about the alternatives. What viable alternative fuels are out there that don't themselves require oil or fossil fuels to make?
Let's think about how many products, besides gasoline, require petroleum to make? Just take a look around your desk...your computer, pens, telephone, calculator, water bottle, the soles of your shoes, etc..
At what point will the price of gas be so high that you would be willing to say to yourself, "Today I'm gonna leave the car home and I'm gonna walk a mile to the supermarket, I'm gonna buy all my groceries and lug them back home a mile in my arms". I'm guessing that price would have to be pretty high, especially if you live in the suburbs.
The answer is not so simple and I think in the grand scheme, we have only just begun to look at the solutions.
yes just about everything we rely on is made from petroleum and/or plastic products.  I wonder how that happened. Its our constant insatiable need for cheap, disposable products not so coincidentally another reason why our dollar is becoming the new peso.
If we stop accepting cheap products from china & insist on better, longer lasting american made products then we would really see a change.
Planned obsolescence is what this country has built itself on for the last 50 years, it was a greedy, wasteful plan.
Right now we use gas to move everything, but I hope in my lifetime hydrogen or some other green source of energy will take its place.
For me gas is so expensive(not to me personally but the cost its having on our country) I bought a hybrid, I can make my 4 mile trip to the store & back running in battery mode, NO GAS, NO EMISSIONS...so I won't need to walk but I considered buying a special bike last summer for short trips.
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HeathKernandez
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Re: so yeah...oil touched $102 a barrel and the dollar is at a record low
the *Nothing* is coming.
fer real.
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sunnyplus3
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Re: so yeah...oil touched $102 a barrel and the dollar is at a record low
Posted by Ophelia
Posted by KellyFG
Posted by melijane
Posted by KellyFG
People need to get involved with grassroots organizations start pushing for what we believe is right. People need to vote at EVERY election, not just "the Big ones" because those are the ones least likely to have candidates that are really looking for a change.
Its interesting, I got home from grocery shopping in Riverhead & I flicked on MSNBC to see what was up with Oil prices today, they are doing all day coverage of the fed. So they had a segment with two new car dealers, a Toyota dealer in Michigan & A GM dealer in Riverhead. When asked what their best selling cars were the guy in Michigan said "the hybrids", the guy on Long Island said "the equinox".
Now I don't want to get into a whole debate again about cars but do the people in Michigan not put their kids in car seats or are they just realizing smaller more green cars are smarter? Do you think they have less snow in Michigan than we have here?
GM has a few great hybrid products right now, why aren't they #1? because GM & the US oil companies & politicians have been having an orgy for so many years they'd rather keep selling gas guzzling SUVs & crossovers.
Our daily actions & possibly even SACRIFICES are going to help with change, its took years of greed & over abundance to get us in this mess, it will take years of being socially & environmentally responsible to get us out.
I agree with you on this but I think it is a larger issue than people buying or not buying certain "gas guzzlers." This issue needs to be addressed on a much larger scale and, quite simply, IMO, it will only happen if trhere are severe and immediate reform in the way the political system and lobbysists work.
Thats not to say a grassroots effort wouldn't help at all, I just don't think it is a total solution.
Reform on a grand scale would be a dream come true, but IMO the best way to expedite that is by "we the people" refusing to buy vehicles that support the push by the gov to keep big oil strong & alternative energy small. Americans need to stop saying "hybrids cost more" starbucks cost more than bringing coffee from home but just about everyone I know does that(or at least they did until recently).
I'm not saying hybrids are a total solution, I have one because I refuse to support big oil but I think there are better vehicles yet to come.
People need to stop thinking you need to be a cool 62 degrees all summer, sweating sometimes lets you know you're alive. Turn the central AC off when its not that hot. LIPA is raping us on a daily basis, we are paying some of the highest energy rates in the US and as long as the demand stays high they'll need to keep adding surcharges to find more energy sources & whatever other lies they come up with.
I'm a believer that we could show the government & their corporate lovers that we are not putting up with it.
I sometimes feel this THIS is why change takes so long.
we all sit around and postulate about what the best way to go about it is, instead of doing what we EACH can do, everyday.
yes, the lobbyists are terrible. but don't buy an SUV and you give them less fuel.
yes, grassroots movements are nice, but they take so long to take shape..perhaps too long in our current situation.
we need to do it ALL...simultaneously. we need EVERYONE to give a SHYTE.
we need this to be more important than money.
we still hold on to the erroneous belief that money will save us.
the earth doesn't take mastercard or bribes. it will not be satisfied with a large donation from Microsoft.
we need to stop trying to figure out the best way...TAKING ACTION is the only way.
you're right. I've shared this quote here before & your post reminded me of it so I'll share it again because its one of my favorites
After the last tree has been cut down,
after the last river has been poisened,
after the last fish has died,
only then will you realize
money can't be eaten.
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Emily
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Re: so yeah...oil touched $102 a barrel and the dollar is at a record low
I am so sad, gas might go up to $3 in my neighborhood.   Last time I got gas it was only $2.90!
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sunnyplus3
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Re: so yeah...oil touched $102 a barrel and the dollar is at a record low
the great oprah(I'm really NOT a fan) has on a couple that are trash pickers. They are a doctor & engineer & they pick trash to find stuff people throw out because they are appalled at how much is wasted. Once Oprah jumps on the "less is more" concept the whole country of sheep will listen.
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july06bride
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Re: so yeah...oil touched $102 a barrel and the dollar is at a record low
Posted by Emily
I am so sad, gas might go up to $3 in my neighborhood. Last time I got gas it was only $2.90!
I just got gas 10 minutes ago and it was $3.40! 
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Re: so yeah...oil touched $102 a barrel and the dollar is at a record low
Posted by KellyFG
the great oprah(I'm really NOT a fan) has on a couple that are trash pickers. They are a doctor & engineer & they pick trash to find stuff people throw out because they are appalled at how much is wasted. Once Oprah jumps on the "less is more" concept the whole country of sheep will listen.
Are they Freegans?
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