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Re: Staph infection its hitting a lot of schools update now Roosevelt
Posted by JessieQ
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I agree about the over-use of antibiotics, and I had a very hard time selection a pediatrician who agreed with my philosophy regarding this. But.... I thought that it was recently proven that the antibacterial soaps did not kill more bacteria than regular soap? 
Yes, that's the point. Antibacterial soaps are no more effective at reducing bacteria on the hands than regular soap, and since there is evidence that the antibacterial agents in these soaps may help build up a cross-resistance to other antibiotics, they have no positive purpose. Here is a link to a research article summarizing the latest findings on this. Aiello et al., Clin. Inf. Dis., 2007
OOOOH I see, I had no idea that there was still a negative side effect to using them even though they themselves are not effective. Thanks for the great information!
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Re: Staph infection its hitting a lot of schools update now Roosevelt
My brother is a janitor at one of those schools and he just tole me he has to stay late tonight to disinfect everything!
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| Posted 10/25/07 2:16 PM |
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JessieQ
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Re: Staph infection its hitting a lot of schools update now Roosevelt
Posted by MsMBV
Posted by JessieQ
Posted by MsMBV
I agree about the over-use of antibiotics, and I had a very hard time selection a pediatrician who agreed with my philosophy regarding this. But.... I thought that it was recently proven that the antibacterial soaps did not kill more bacteria than regular soap?
Yes, that's the point. Antibacterial soaps are no more effective at reducing bacteria on the hands than regular soap, and since there is evidence that the antibacterial agents in these soaps may help build up a cross-resistance to other antibiotics, they have no positive purpose. Here is a link to a research article summarizing the latest findings on this. Aiello et al., Clin. Inf. Dis., 2007
OOOOH I see, I had no idea that there was still a negative side effect to using them even though they themselves are not effective. Thanks for the great information!
No problem!  I wasn't sure if I answered your question, so before I saw this reply I added more to my answer. I've worried about this for about 10 years now (I've been bugging my family since high school!), but it seems like the info hasn't really gone out to consumers yet, because antibacterial products are everywhere (whenever I go to the store it takes me forever to find non-antibacterial soap!). Maybe the one good thing to come out of all this is that the public finally realizes that these things are useless (also as you said I hope pediatricians and parents can curb their dependence on penicillin with every earache, sore throat, etc).
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Re: Staph infection its hitting a lot of schools update now Roosevelt
Am I nervous about MRSA? Nah. It wasn't uncommon for residents at the nursing facility to get it when I was working there.
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Re: Staph infection its hitting a lot of schools update now Roosevelt
Posted by JessieQ
I've worried about this for about 10 years now (I've been bugging my family since high school!), but it seems like the info hasn't really gone out to consumers yet, because antibacterial products are everywhere (whenever I go to the store it takes me forever to find non-antibacterial soap!).
LOL...DH and I stand in front of the soap display for waaaay too long looking for the few non-antibacterial products. People have given us weird looks, and one time asked if we were allergic to triclosan (one of the main "antibacterial" compounds). I said "nope, just don't feel like contributing to a major public health problem..."
By definition soap is antibacterial - no need to be adding chemicals to it!
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Re: Staph infection its hitting a lot of schools update now Roosevelt
Very interesting stuff on antibacterial soap. I knew about antibiotics and just never made the connection to soap. Makes sense and is something I'll keep in mind now! 
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Re: Staph infection its hitting a lot of schools update now Roosevelt
Posted by bird382
Posted by JessieQ
I've worried about this for about 10 years now (I've been bugging my family since high school!), but it seems like the info hasn't really gone out to consumers yet, because antibacterial products are everywhere (whenever I go to the store it takes me forever to find non-antibacterial soap!).
LOL...DH and I stand in front of the soap display for waaaay too long looking for the few non-antibacterial products. People have given us weird looks, and one time asked if we were allergic to triclosan (one of the main "antibacterial" compounds). I said "nope, just don't feel like contributing to a major public health problem..."
By definition soap is antibacterial - no need to be adding chemicals to it!
 People have given us looks too! It's getting harder and harder to find them too. Hopefully that'll change...
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Re: Staph infection its hitting a lot of schools update now Roosevelt
Posted by JessieQ
People have given us looks too! It's getting harder and harder to find them too. Hopefully that'll change...
There's even antibacterial dish soap and laundry detergent now! 
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Re: Staph infection its hitting a lot of schools update now Roosevelt
What about all these hand sanitizers people are into, too? They're doing the same thing...
I swear, a girl I work with uses hers at least a dozen times a day. 
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Re: Staph infection its hitting a lot of schools update now Roosevelt
Posted by Kara
What about all these hand sanitizers people are into, too? They're doing the same thing...
I swear, a girl I work with uses hers at least a dozen times a day.
Well as far as Purell, the good thing is that it is just alcohol, so for the most part almost all bacteria are equally susceptible, so there's a less of a chance of breeding resistant bacteria. However, Purell is only 62% alcohol, and anything under 70% is not as effective at killing bacteria, so I'm not so sure Purell will kill everything. I try not to rely on it, but having a small child and having to change her diaper on the go means I like having the Purell as an opton when there's no other means of cleaning my hands. But, I think if someone is using it 12 times a day that's a little much, not only is it very drying but I would think she should still wash her hands with soap and water as much as possible- if only because Purell does not kill viruses, and it's flu season.
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Re: Staph infection its hitting a lot of schools update now Roosevelt
Posted by bird382
Posted by JessieQ
People have given us looks too! It's getting harder and harder to find them too. Hopefully that'll change...
There's even antibacterial dish soap and laundry detergent now!
I know it's crazy! Here's an exceprt from the cdc.gov website.
"Proliferation of Antibacterial Products
Seven years ago, only a few dozen products containing antibacterial agents were being marketed for the home. Now more than 700 are available. The public is being bombarded with ads for cleansers, soaps, toothbrushes, dishwashing detergents, and hand lotions, all containing antibacterial agents. Likewise, we hear about "superbugs" and deadly viruses. Germs have become the buzzword for a danger people want to eliminate from their surroundings. In response to these messages, people are buying antibacterial products because they think these products offer health protection for them and their families. Among the newer products in the antibacterial craze are antibacterial window cleaner and antibacterial chopsticks. Antibacterial agents are now in plastic food storage containers in England. In Italy, antibacterial products are touted in public laundries. In the Boston area, you can purchase a mattress completely impregnated with an antibacterial agent. Whole bathrooms and bedrooms can be outfitted with products containing triclosan (a common antibacterial agent), including pillows, sheets, towels, and slippers."
Antibiotic pillows??!!
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Re: Staph infection its hitting a lot of schools update now Roosevelt
Posted by JessieQ
Posted by Kara
What about all these hand sanitizers people are into, too? They're doing the same thing...
I swear, a girl I work with uses hers at least a dozen times a day.
Well as far as Purell, the good thing is that it is just alcohol, so for the most part almost all bacteria are equally susceptible, so there's a less of a chance of breeding resistant bacteria. However, Purell is only 62% alcohol, and anything under 70% is not as effective at killing bacteria, so I'm not so sure Purell will kill everything. I try not to rely on it, but having a small child and having to change her diaper on the go means I like having the Purell as an opton when there's no other means of cleaning my hands. But, I think if someone is using it 12 times a day that's a little much, not only is it very drying but I would think she should still wash her hands with soap and water as much as possible- if only because Purell does not kill viruses, and it's flu season.
I was hoping someone would have a good sanitizer option - at least as a last resort (like when I leave the barn with dirty hands).
Oh trust me, she washes her hands at least 400 times a day... and then there's all the lotion she needs from all her washing and sanitizing. She's very thorough in her eccentricity. 
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Re: Staph infection its hitting a lot of schools update now Roosevelt
I also just wanted to add... I'm clean and all (wash my hands several times a day, etc.)... but I'm by no means a germ-o-phobe or out to kill all the germs. I just find this interesting.
I think my body is well-enough equipped to handle most of the germs it comes in contact to day-to-day. I think staying clean, washing with soap and water regularly, and keeping the house clean are enough for me.
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Re: Staph infection its hitting a lot of schools update now Roosevelt
I don't use Purell regularly, but I do keep a bottle in my bag for emergencies ... there are some way nasty public restrooms out there.
Like JessieQ said, it's just alcohol, which has been used as an antiseptic for hundreds of years. It's not effective against everything but it will kill some of the biggies like flu.
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JessieQ
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Re: Staph infection its hitting a lot of schools update now Roosevelt
Posted by Kara
I also just wanted to add... I'm clean and all (wash my hands several times a day, etc.)... but I'm by no means a germ-o-phobe or out to kill all the germs. I just find this interesting.
I think my body is well-enough equipped to handle most of the germs it comes in contact to day-to-day. I think staying clean, washing with soap and water regularly, and keeping the house clean are enough for me.
I agree, I feel like part of the reason there are so many more kids/people with allergies/exzema today is because they weren't exposed to enough germs as kids. I think just washing your hands regularly (especially before eating or before touching your eyes/mouth), cleaning surfaces that are touched often, and covering any open cuts, is just fine and a smart thing to do anyway.
Oh by the way, I think everyone has already heard this from the local news, the story pops up periodically at least every 6 months- the surfaces that have the most bacteria are things like the telephone/cell phone, computer, door knobs, etc, so if possible remember to wipe them with an alcohol wipe once in a while (I just wiped my computer and cell phone after reading this thread).
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