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Re: Student walkout on Wednesday
Posted by gina409
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I think it’s kids trying to do something. Yes, I’m sure there are kids who just want to get out of math class, but most of these kids are too young to vote, think they’re too young to be heard, and this is something they can do. Will it accomplish anything? Probably not. But I don’t think we should discourage them from trying.
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Kids these days can’t win
One eats a tide pod and every one gets labeled
Kids are trying to demand change. Get ripped for that too
Where has anyone ripped the kids apart? People said there are other ways to do this to impact change aside from walking out of school in the middle of class. People just stated their opinion that they don’t think this will impact any change over in Washington.
Why can’t people have a different opinion without being insulted? (Not saying you insulted anyone in your post).
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Re: Student walkout on Wednesday
Posted by Hofstra26
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Our district is not allowing the walk out to happen and will be writing up any student that walks out. They are doing a moment of silence and reading the names of the 17 children that died and holding an assembly where the kids are able to discuss their views. I totally agree with that decision and will also support any protests the students would participate in outside of school.
To me this is so much better than students just walking out of school. What are they going to do outside? Sit on their phones? It's meaningless.
If handled properly by the school, it can be an effective teachable moment.
Of course! Some people act like 17 minutes is going to ruin these children’s educations forever. It’s 17 minutes. Kids spend 4x more than that on the bus driving to a field trip in NYC.
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Re: Student walkout on Wednesday
Posted by Katareen
Posted by Hofstra26
Posted by Tulips915
Posted by KarenK122
Our district is not allowing the walk out to happen and will be writing up any student that walks out. They are doing a moment of silence and reading the names of the 17 children that died and holding an assembly where the kids are able to discuss their views. I totally agree with that decision and will also support any protests the students would participate in outside of school.
To me this is so much better than students just walking out of school. What are they going to do outside? Sit on their phones? It's meaningless.
If handled properly by the school, it can be an effective teachable moment.
Of course! Some people act like 17 minutes is going to ruin these children’s educations forever. It’s 17 minutes. Kids spend 4x more than that on the bus driving to a field trip in NYC.
TBh.. I am going to add that I didn’t know it was for only 17minutes, I assumed it was like a March or protest and for longer period.
Still doesn’t change my view but I didn’t realize how short it was. I feel like it will take most of that time just to walk out of the school if it’s a big building.
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Re: Student walkout on Wednesday
Posted by Sash
Posted by gina409
Posted by Katareen
I think it’s kids trying to do something. Yes, I’m sure there are kids who just want to get out of math class, but most of these kids are too young to vote, think they’re too young to be heard, and this is something they can do. Will it accomplish anything? Probably not. But I don’t think we should discourage them from trying.
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Kids these days can’t win
One eats a tide pod and every one gets labeled
Kids are trying to demand change. Get ripped for that too
Where has anyone ripped the kids apart? People said there are other ways to do this to impact change aside from walking out of school in the middle of class. People just stated their opinion that they don’t think this will impact any change over in Washington.
Why can’t people have a different opinion without being insulted? (Not saying you insulted anyone in your post).
I didn’t say here
I meant in general. Read comments on any internet post and these kids are called selfish and stupid and have no clue etc
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Re: Student walkout on Wednesday
Posted by gina409
Posted by Sash
Posted by gina409
Posted by Katareen
I think it’s kids trying to do something. Yes, I’m sure there are kids who just want to get out of math class, but most of these kids are too young to vote, think they’re too young to be heard, and this is something they can do. Will it accomplish anything? Probably not. But I don’t think we should discourage them from trying.
This
Kids these days can’t win
One eats a tide pod and every one gets labeled
Kids are trying to demand change. Get ripped for that too
Where has anyone ripped the kids apart? People said there are other ways to do this to impact change aside from walking out of school in the middle of class. People just stated their opinion that they don’t think this will impact any change over in Washington.
Why can’t people have a different opinion without being insulted? (Not saying you insulted anyone in your post).
I didn’t say here
I meant in general. Read comments on any internet post and these kids are called selfish and stupid and have no clue etc
Oh, that’s extreme.
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Re: Student walkout on Wednesday
Posted by gina409
Posted by Sash
Posted by gina409
Posted by Katareen
I think it’s kids trying to do something. Yes, I’m sure there are kids who just want to get out of math class, but most of these kids are too young to vote, think they’re too young to be heard, and this is something they can do. Will it accomplish anything? Probably not. But I don’t think we should discourage them from trying.
This
Kids these days can’t win
One eats a tide pod and every one gets labeled
Kids are trying to demand change. Get ripped for that too
Where has anyone ripped the kids apart? People said there are other ways to do this to impact change aside from walking out of school in the middle of class. People just stated their opinion that they don’t think this will impact any change over in Washington.
Why can’t people have a different opinion without being insulted? (Not saying you insulted anyone in your post).
I didn’t say here
I meant in general. Read comments on any internet post and these kids are called selfish and stupid and have no clue etc
ITA! Not specific to here on LIF but I've read (and heard) some comments that I find to be insensitive, insulting and downright obnoxious all of which coming from ADULTS who are sitting on their a$$es, doing nothing but complaining about everything.
I think we should be proud of our youth for trying, in whatever capacity, to enact change. They are fighting for a noble cause. We should build them up, not break them down. Shame on parents/adults/people across this nation.
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Re: Student walkout on Wednesday
Posted by liadorbs
Posted by Katareen
I think it’s kids trying to do something. Yes, I’m sure there are kids who just want to get out of math class, but most of these kids are too young to vote, think they’re too young to be heard, and this is something they can do. Will it accomplish anything? Probably not. But I don’t think we should discourage them from trying.
This, 100%.
I'm so proud of these kids who are trying their hardest to do something, anything. The Florida kids are so well-spoken and respectful, it's really heartening.
I agree. Our middle and high school kids are walking out today.
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BargainMama
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Re: Student walkout on Wednesday
In our high school, the kids will be suspended and lose prom if they walk out. Not sure I agree with that.
My friend who lives in another state said her son was the only one who chose NOT to walk out, and his classmates said he was "scared, a goody, and a b*tch" for not walking out.
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Re: Student walkout on Wednesday
Posted by BargainMama
In our high school, the kids will be suspended and lose prom if they walk out. Not sure I agree with that.
My friend who lives in another state said her son was the only one who chose NOT to walk out, and his classmates said he was "scared, a goody, and a b*tch" for not walking out.
I'm sorry, but that's ridiculous. I read something from the aclu (I think, I didn't research though) that said legally schools can't punish beyond what they would normally do. I highly doubt that they take away prom fron every student that's walked out of class once.
The second part of your post is ridiculous too. Unfortunately, as amazing as teenagers can be there are also some who are assholes.
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Re: Student walkout on Wednesday
My 9th grader just sent me a pic from her walkout of a sign someone was holding.
I just started crying at my desk at work when i saw it both for the power, courage, strength and hope these kids have AND because of the sadness that my children have to live through these times.
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Re: Student walkout on Wednesday
Posted by BargainMama
My friend who lives in another state said her son was the only one who chose NOT to walk out, and his classmates said he was "scared, a goody, and a b*tch" for not walking out.
See. That right there. Isn't that the opposite of what these walk outs are about? What happened to kindness? Those assholes who said that to him have not a clue what they are fighting for.
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Re: Student walkout on Wednesday
Posted by NervousNell
Posted by BargainMama
My friend who lives in another state said her son was the only one who chose NOT to walk out, and his classmates said he was "scared, a goody, and a b*tch" for not walking out.
See. That right there. Isn't that the opposite of what these walk outs are about? What happened to kindness? Those assholes who said that to him have not a clue what they are fighting for.
Yup exactly!! Sickening
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Re: Student walkout on Wednesday
My dd’s school is doing a day of kindness today. They are in elementary school and I think this is a wonderful idea for them. At the hs level our district is allowing kids to walk out if they want to.
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Re: Student walkout on Wednesday
Posted by mnmsoinlove
My dd’s school is doing a day of kindness today. They are in elementary school and I think this is a wonderful idea for them. At the hs level our district is allowing kids to walk out if they want to.
Kindness should be an everyday thing.
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Student walkout on Wednesday
ours was pretty successful. a lot of kids participated, and those who stayed inside just had a moment of silence for the lives lost. Instruction resumed after 17 mins
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Re: Student walkout on Wednesday
Posted by NervousNell
Posted by BargainMama
My friend who lives in another state said her son was the only one who chose NOT to walk out, and his classmates said he was "scared, a goody, and a b*tch" for not walking out.
See. That right there. Isn't that the opposite of what these walk outs are about? What happened to kindness? Those assholes who said that to him have not a clue what they are fighting for.
Yes, but that's ok because the majority is always right, don't you know???? Same on this board, you don't agree with majority, on ANY topic, even the weather, you are wrong
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Re: Student walkout on Wednesday
Posted by jlm2008
Posted by NervousNell
Posted by BargainMama
My friend who lives in another state said her son was the only one who chose NOT to walk out, and his classmates said he was "scared, a goody, and a b*tch" for not walking out.
See. That right there. Isn't that the opposite of what these walk outs are about? What happened to kindness? Those assholes who said that to him have not a clue what they are fighting for.
Yes, but that's ok because the majority is always right, don't you know???? Same on this board, you don't agree with majority, on ANY topic, even the weather, you are wrong
Yup..ridiculous
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Re: Student walkout on Wednesday
that's crazy on both parts. First - I don't think the school has the right to do that: It’s completely legal for a school district — or even a state — to discipline students for an unexcused absence if that is school policy. Students under 18 are required by law to go to school in most states, so they can be punished for missing class. But punishment can vary from state to state and from school district to school district. One school might not consider a 17-minute walkout an unexcused absence, while another one might. One school might not suspend students for unexcused absences, while another one would.
For students deciding whether to take part in the walkout, the ACLU urges them to check their school’s policies for missing class.
But let’s say that a school district allows its students to participate in the walkout without punishment. Are there any limits to how students can express their views as part of the protest?
In 1969, the US Supreme Court ruled unequivocally that students at public schools do not “shed their constitutional rights to freedom of speech and expression at the school house gate.” The landmark case, Tinker v. Des Moines Independent Community School District, involved a 13-year-old girl from Des Moines, Mary Beth Tinker, who was suspended for wearing a black armband to protest the Vietnam War.
In the Court’s decision, the justices said that school administrators cannot punish students merely for expressing political views. They can only discipline students if their speech or actions cause “material” or “substantial” disruption to school functions.
This is important in the context of the national walkout. Does a mass walkout qualify as a “substantial” disruption in the school? That’s a call school officials would have to make. But they would have to show that the walkout made it impossible for school staff to do their jobs or for teachers to continue their lessons with those who stayed in class.
Furthermore, the school cannot impose a punishment that goes beyond usual school policy. For example, principals can’t suspend students for three days for participating in the walkout if the district’s usual policy is to give students a written reprimand for skipping class. Anything more than that would suggest that the school is punishing students for expressing their political views, which is a violation of their constitutional rights.
“If an unexcused absence leads to a three-day suspension, that is going to raise eyebrows,” said Ben Wizner, director of the ACLU’s Speech, Privacy, and Technology Project.
That’s not the same situation at public universities, where students can join the walkout without threat of punishment.
“The law can’t require college students to go to college,” said Wizner. “But there could be academic consequences for missing class.”
One thing to keep in mind is that students at private schools and universities do not have First Amendment protections on campus. The First Amendment prohibits only government censorship of political views and other protected forms of speech.
That’s why students at private institutions are not covered by the same protections as students in public schools. “Students at private schools don’t have the same liberties,” Wizner told me.
second - seriously - they bullied the child who decided to not walk - that is so sad and part of the problem. They honestly don't seem to understand what the walk-out was about
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Re: Student walkout on Wednesday
Posted by LizD
that's crazy on both parts. First - I don't think the school has the right to do that: It’s completely legal for a school district — or even a state — to discipline students for an unexcused absence if that is school policy. Students under 18 are required by law to go to school in most states, so they can be punished for missing class. But punishment can vary from state to state and from school district to school district. One school might not consider a 17-minute walkout an unexcused absence, while another one might. One school might not suspend students for unexcused absences, while another one would.
For students deciding whether to take part in the walkout, the ACLU urges them to check their school’s policies for missing class.
But let’s say that a school district allows its students to participate in the walkout without punishment. Are there any limits to how students can express their views as part of the protest?
In 1969, the US Supreme Court ruled unequivocally that students at public schools do not “shed their constitutional rights to freedom of speech and expression at the school house gate.” The landmark case, Tinker v. Des Moines Independent Community School District, involved a 13-year-old girl from Des Moines, Mary Beth Tinker, who was suspended for wearing a black armband to protest the Vietnam War.
In the Court’s decision, the justices said that school administrators cannot punish students merely for expressing political views. They can only discipline students if their speech or actions cause “material” or “substantial” disruption to school functions.
This is important in the context of the national walkout. Does a mass walkout qualify as a “substantial” disruption in the school? That’s a call school officials would have to make. But they would have to show that the walkout made it impossible for school staff to do their jobs or for teachers to continue their lessons with those who stayed in class.
Furthermore, the school cannot impose a punishment that goes beyond usual school policy. For example, principals can’t suspend students for three days for participating in the walkout if the district’s usual policy is to give students a written reprimand for skipping class. Anything more than that would suggest that the school is punishing students for expressing their political views, which is a violation of their constitutional rights.
“If an unexcused absence leads to a three-day suspension, that is going to raise eyebrows,” said Ben Wizner, director of the ACLU’s Speech, Privacy, and Technology Project.
That’s not the same situation at public universities, where students can join the walkout without threat of punishment.
“The law can’t require college students to go to college,” said Wizner. “But there could be academic consequences for missing class.”
One thing to keep in mind is that students at private schools and universities do not have First Amendment protections on campus. The First Amendment prohibits only government censorship of political views and other protected forms of speech.
That’s why students at private institutions are not covered by the same protections as students in public schools. “Students at private schools don’t have the same liberties,” Wizner told me.
second - seriously - they bullied the child who decided to not walk - that is so sad and part of the problem. They honestly don't seem to understand what the walk-out was about
As for the kid being bullied that's a huge part of the problem. Why is it so easy for us to sit here on a computer and say that it's wrong but the kids who witnessed it didn't speak up? Yes, some kids are jerks but most are not. We need to figure out how to get kids to stand up for each other. It seems to be so much harder to do than it should be.
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LizD
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Re: Student walkout on Wednesday
Posted by MrsT809
Posted by LizD
As for the kid being bullied that's a huge part of the problem. Why is it so easy for us to sit here on a computer and say that it's wrong but the kids who witnessed it didn't speak up? Yes, some kids are jerks but most are not. We need to figure out how to get kids to stand up for each other. It seems to be so much harder to do than it should be.
the bullying is learned behavior - it was said a few posts up but they did not use that word. "If you don't agree with the majority you are wrong and people let you have it". It happens on here a lot. It was so evident on both sides after the election on here, and everywhere else it was crazy. Our kids hear these nasty comments coming from parents and think it must be ok. They are not born bullies, just like they are not born prejudice. It is taught to them, intentional or not they learn from what they see and hear.
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MrsT809
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Re: Student walkout on Wednesday
Posted by LizD
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Posted by LizD
As for the kid being bullied that's a huge part of the problem. Why is it so easy for us to sit here on a computer and say that it's wrong but the kids who witnessed it didn't speak up? Yes, some kids are jerks but most are not. We need to figure out how to get kids to stand up for each other. It seems to be so much harder to do than it should be.
the bullying is learned behavior - it was said a few posts up but they did not use that word. "If you don't agree with the majority you are wrong and people let you have it". It happens on here a lot. It was so evident on both sides after the election on here, and everywhere else it was crazy. Our kids hear these nasty comments coming from parents and think it must be ok. They are not born bullies, just like they are not born prejudice. It is taught to them, intentional or not they learn from what they see and hear.
My point is there are always going to be bullies. What would go a long way is figuring out how to get kids to feel more empowered and equipped to speak up against it. And yes, same with adults. For example, how did a plane full of adults sit back while a dog was stuffed in any overhead compartment for three hours? I think schools need to do more direct instruction (modeling, role playing, student directed conflict resolution) to help with this.
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LizD
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Re: Student walkout on Wednesday
Posted by MrsT809
Posted by LizD
Posted by MrsT809
Posted by LizD
As for the kid being bullied that's a huge part of the problem. Why is it so easy for us to sit here on a computer and say that it's wrong but the kids who witnessed it didn't speak up? Yes, some kids are jerks but most are not. We need to figure out how to get kids to stand up for each other. It seems to be so much harder to do than it should be.
the bullying is learned behavior - it was said a few posts up but they did not use that word. "If you don't agree with the majority you are wrong and people let you have it". It happens on here a lot. It was so evident on both sides after the election on here, and everywhere else it was crazy. Our kids hear these nasty comments coming from parents and think it must be ok. They are not born bullies, just like they are not born prejudice. It is taught to them, intentional or not they learn from what they see and hear.
My point is there are always going to be bullies. What would go a long way is figuring out how to get kids to feel more empowered and equipped to speak up against it. And yes, same with adults. For example, how did a plane full of adults sit back while a dog was stuffed in any overhead compartment for three hours? I think schools need to do more direct instruction (modeling, role playing, student directed conflict resolution) to help with this.
100% agree. I have no idea how anyone can sit by and watch something like that happen. It seems a lot of people are afraid to speak up or get involved when they see something wrong. You are right - there are many changes that need to be made
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jlm2008
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Re: Student walkout on Wednesday
Posted by MrsT809
Posted by LizD
Posted by MrsT809
Posted by LizD
As for the kid being bullied that's a huge part of the problem. Why is it so easy for us to sit here on a computer and say that it's wrong but the kids who witnessed it didn't speak up? Yes, some kids are jerks but most are not. We need to figure out how to get kids to stand up for each other. It seems to be so much harder to do than it should be.
the bullying is learned behavior - it was said a few posts up but they did not use that word. "If you don't agree with the majority you are wrong and people let you have it". It happens on here a lot. It was so evident on both sides after the election on here, and everywhere else it was crazy. Our kids hear these nasty comments coming from parents and think it must be ok. They are not born bullies, just like they are not born prejudice. It is taught to them, intentional or not they learn from what they see and hear.
My point is there are always going to be bullies. What would go a long way is figuring out how to get kids to feel more empowered and equipped to speak up against it. And yes, same with adults. For example, how did a plane full of adults sit back while a dog was stuffed in any overhead compartment for three hours? I think schools need to do more direct instruction (modeling, role playing, student directed conflict resolution) to help with this.
Well considering the flight attendant didn't realize there was a dog in the carrier, there is a good possibility none of the other passengers knew....I was heartbroken by that story, since I love animals more than I love most people, but if you saw the interview, you saw there was a huge language barrier there...the mother of the dog spoke no English..so while I'm the first to attack anyone who hurts an animal, it seems the crew had no idea a dog was in there.
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BargainMama
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Re: Student walkout on Wednesday
Posted by jlm2008
Posted by MrsT809
Posted by LizD
Posted by MrsT809
Posted by LizD
As for the kid being bullied that's a huge part of the problem. Why is it so easy for us to sit here on a computer and say that it's wrong but the kids who witnessed it didn't speak up? Yes, some kids are jerks but most are not. We need to figure out how to get kids to stand up for each other. It seems to be so much harder to do than it should be.
the bullying is learned behavior - it was said a few posts up but they did not use that word. "If you don't agree with the majority you are wrong and people let you have it". It happens on here a lot. It was so evident on both sides after the election on here, and everywhere else it was crazy. Our kids hear these nasty comments coming from parents and think it must be ok. They are not born bullies, just like they are not born prejudice. It is taught to them, intentional or not they learn from what they see and hear.
My point is there are always going to be bullies. What would go a long way is figuring out how to get kids to feel more empowered and equipped to speak up against it. And yes, same with adults. For example, how did a plane full of adults sit back while a dog was stuffed in any overhead compartment for three hours? I think schools need to do more direct instruction (modeling, role playing, student directed conflict resolution) to help with this.
Well considering the flight attendant didn't realize there was a dog in the carrier, there is a good possibility none of the other passengers knew....I was heartbroken by that story, since I love animals more than I love most people, but if you saw the interview, you saw there was a huge language barrier there...the mother of the dog spoke no English..so while I'm the first to attack anyone who hurts an animal, it seems the crew had no idea a dog was in there.
I have been following the story, and many people interviewed on that plane has said they all knew it was a dog in the carrier, including the flight attendant.
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jlm2008
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Re: Student walkout on Wednesday
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Posted by jlm2008
Posted by MrsT809
Posted by LizD
Posted by MrsT809
Posted by LizD
As for the kid being bullied that's a huge part of the problem. Why is it so easy for us to sit here on a computer and say that it's wrong but the kids who witnessed it didn't speak up? Yes, some kids are jerks but most are not. We need to figure out how to get kids to stand up for each other. It seems to be so much harder to do than it should be.
the bullying is learned behavior - it was said a few posts up but they did not use that word. "If you don't agree with the majority you are wrong and people let you have it". It happens on here a lot. It was so evident on both sides after the election on here, and everywhere else it was crazy. Our kids hear these nasty comments coming from parents and think it must be ok. They are not born bullies, just like they are not born prejudice. It is taught to them, intentional or not they learn from what they see and hear.
My point is there are always going to be bullies. What would go a long way is figuring out how to get kids to feel more empowered and equipped to speak up against it. And yes, same with adults. For example, how did a plane full of adults sit back while a dog was stuffed in any overhead compartment for three hours? I think schools need to do more direct instruction (modeling, role playing, student directed conflict resolution) to help with this.
Well considering the flight attendant didn't realize there was a dog in the carrier, there is a good possibility none of the other passengers knew....I was heartbroken by that story, since I love animals more than I love most people, but if you saw the interview, you saw there was a huge language barrier there...the mother of the dog spoke no English..so while I'm the first to attack anyone who hurts an animal, it seems the crew had no idea a dog was in there.
I have been following the story, and many people interviewed on that plane has said they all knew it was a dog in the carrier, including the flight attendant.
Ok, I guess we watched different interviews.
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