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Teacher out of line with my son-UPDATE
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VikingChick
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Teacher out of line with my son
Wow. Good for you for speaking up. That is totally unacceptable.
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| Posted 5/7/13 9:25 AM |
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chilltocam
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That's awful that the teacher did that. Especially in a class like art, where not everyone is going to be an "artist", effort and attitude should be rewarded more than the final outcome. No teacher should ever make a student feel bad about something they have worked hard on. Good for you for contacting the school - I hope it goes well.
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| Posted 5/7/13 9:52 AM |
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WhatNow
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As a mother and a holder of a degree in Fine Arts- this is completely UNACCEPTABLE!!! I hope you march yourself down there and talk to that so called "teaching" artist about the importance of positive reinforcement, respect for her students and ability to see beauty in everything!
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| Posted 5/7/13 10:56 AM |
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BargainMama
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How upsetting!!
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| Posted 5/7/13 11:49 AM |
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Onemoretime
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Posted by chilltocam
That's awful that the teacher did that. Especially in a class like art, where not everyone is going to be an "artist", effort and attitude should be rewarded more than the final outcome. No teacher should ever make a student feel bad about something they have worked hard on. Good for you for contacting the school - I hope it goes well.
Exactly, it is art. Teacher needs to get a grip. It's good that you called the school, she needs to be spoken to.
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| Posted 5/7/13 11:59 AM |
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nrthshgrl
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Posted by WhatNow
As a mother and a holder of a degree in Fine Arts- this is completely UNACCEPTABLE!!! I hope you march yourself down there and talk to that so called "teaching" artist about the importance of positive reinforcement, respect for her students and ability to see beauty in everything!
Exactly.
Plus art is subjective.
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| Posted 5/7/13 1:50 PM |
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Teacher out of line with my son
I would wait to hear the teacher's side of it. If it's that she's knocking his talent, that would make me mad. If she thought it was horrendous because of lack of effort or not following the intent of the assignment, I might think differently. I taught HS and sometimes things are taken out of context, especially when you are only getting one side of the story. Either way, she can use a lesson in tact.
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| Posted 5/7/13 2:58 PM |
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So the teacher never called me back today. I contacted the vice principal and she was in a meeting. I will try again tomorrow.
As far as my son possibly not showing effort that is the first question I asked him. he has always gotten a 100 in Art as well as positive comments. I told him to tell me the truth that I wouldnt be mad and he swore that he did the assignment as asked. So I will see what happens tomorrow...but thanks for the feedback :)
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| Posted 5/7/13 6:34 PM |
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Tah-wee-ZAH
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Posted by dpli
I would wait to hear the teacher's side of it. If it's that she's knocking his talent, that would make me mad. If she thought it was horrendous because of lack of effort or not following the intent of the assignment, I might think differently. I taught HS and sometimes things are taken out of context, especially when you are only getting one side of the story. Either way, she can use a lesson in tact.
ITA.
Very poor choice of words but was she commenting on his talent or his execution of the assignment?
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| Posted 5/7/13 8:08 PM |
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Goobster
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Re: Teacher out of line with my son-UPDATE
I read your update. Can I be honest? I give her a lot of credit for admitting she regretted saying it. Have you, as a mom, ever said something you regretted, to your child/ren? We all have things slip out of our mouths in anger or the heat of the moment. Teachers have very stressful jobs too, dealing with so many children isn't always easy. I am not saying it makes it right. But what about just having the teacher explain to your DC that she didn't mean to sound so harsh, but she was frustrated b/c she felt he didn't follow directions, etc?
Disciplinary action, I just don't agree with. She just said something in a manner she could have said differently or in private. But I don't think what she said was breaking any rules. JMO
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| Posted 5/9/13 2:35 PM |
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2girlsforme
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Re: Teacher out of line with my son-UPDATE
Posted by Goobster
I read your update. Can I be honest? I give her a lot of credit for admitting she regretted saying it. Have you, as a mom, ever said something you regretted, to your child/ren? We all have things slip out of our mouths in anger or the heat of the moment. Teachers have very stressful jobs too, dealing with so many children isn't always easy. I am not saying it makes it right. But what about just having the teacher explain to your DC that she didn't mean to sound so harsh, but she was frustrated b/c she felt he didn't follow directions, etc?
Disciplinary action, I just don't agree with. She just said something in a manner she could have said differently or in private. But I don't think what she said was breaking any rules. JMO
ITA. I have had children in a well respected school district for the past 10 years and I am impressed by her candor. I would hope she follows up with a discussion/apology to your son. I don't think you can ask for much better than that.
Sometimes disappointment helps kids grow. Like it or not, this is a life lesson that will shape your son. As a mother, I would want the lesson to be people can make mistakes, but shoudl take responsibility for them and be allowed to move on.
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| Posted 5/9/13 2:45 PM |
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Posted by 2girlsforme
Posted by Goobster
I read your update. Can I be honest? I give her a lot of credit for admitting she regretted saying it. Have you, as a mom, ever said something you regretted, to your child/ren? We all have things slip out of our mouths in anger or the heat of the moment. Teachers have very stressful jobs too, dealing with so many children isn't always easy. I am not saying it makes it right. But what about just having the teacher explain to your DC that she didn't mean to sound so harsh, but she was frustrated b/c she felt he didn't follow directions, etc?
Disciplinary action, I just don't agree with. She just said something in a manner she could have said differently or in private. But I don't think what she said was breaking any rules. JMO
ITA. I have had children in a well respected school district for the past 10 years and I am impressed by her candor. I would hope she follows up with a discussion/apology to your son. I don't think you can ask for much better than that.
Sometimes disappointment helps kids grow. Like it or not, this is a life lesson that will shape your son. As a mother, I would want the lesson to be people can make mistakes, but shoudl take responsibility for them and be allowed to move on.
I appreciate your responses but I have to disagree. It took me 10 years of my kids in the school system to make my first complaining phone call. I am not one of those moms. I also teach my kids life lessons all the time as well as let them feel disappointment on their own. This in my opinion is not about that. Of course as a mom I have said things I regret and yes I know teachers are under stress, but this was not said in a heat of the moment argument. It was said when he wallked up to her desk one-on-one. Yes I am happy she admitted it but does not mean I am going to praise her for it. She was out of line as a teacher and I do feel it should be followed up with her superior. And fwiw she did not seem remorseful whatsoever when I spoke to her. All she did was admit she said it.
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Kitten1929
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You spoke with her, she admitted it and that's it. Why are you out for blood with her?
Teachers are human beings too. They make mistakes. She admitted she was wrong and that's more than most people would do. What else is going after her going to accomplish? Do you want your son to be the kid with the annoying mom? I am not saying any of this in a mean or bitchyy way, I am just genuinely confused as to what more you want done and why you want this woman's head on a platter. I would have expressed my displeasure with her and how she handled it, explained that you expect your childs educators to encourage their creativity and that in the future you hope she is more mindful of her choice of words with students and their artwork as it can be very discouraging to hear that their work is horrendous no matter if he did the assignment slightly wrong.
ETA: In reading your other responses, it seems like you just want to go after her until she's fired or something 
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nrthshgrl
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Looking at this objectively from both standpoints, I don't think a teacher - particularly an ART teacher should ever utter those words to a student. Criticizing not understanding the assignment is very different than telling the kid their work is horrendous.
I misread the original post. This is't an elementary student that I thought it was. It's a 14-15 year old. I think it's excessive to get the principal involved for the purposes of punishing the teacher. I also think your 9th grader should realize that some teachers are assh0les & that not everyone is going to like his work. People thought Picasso was a joke.
Given the age of the student, I would let this one go but I'd expect (and insist) the teacher to apologize directly to my son.
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Ok I never said I was out for blood or want her head on a platter. I guess the problem with these boards is you dont know me IRL and tone can not be expressed in writing but I was a little taken back by what you wrote. I am a caring mom whose son was hurt and for the first time in 14 years ever expressed something like this with school. I have to be my kids advocate and thats all Im doing. I didnt march myself down there the day it happened screaming like a lunatic, I called the department to complain about what I thought was out of line. And fwiw when the department head called me this morning first before i spoke to the teacher, he was the one who said if in fact she did say that to my son he would be very upset and shocked.
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Looking at this objectively from both standpoints, I don't think a teacher - particularly an ART teacher should ever utter those words to a student. Criticizing not understanding the assignment is very different than telling the kid their work is horrendous.
I misread the original post. This is't an elementary student that I thought it was. It's a 14-15 year old. I think it's excessive to get the principal involved for the purposes of punishing the teacher. I also think your 9th grader should realize that some teachers are assh0les & that not everyone is going to like his work. People thought Picasso was a joke.
Given the age of the student, I would let this one go but I'd expect (and insist) the teacher to apologize directly to my son.
Yes he is 14 and he wasnt crying or anything it was more he felt belittled. To me it doesnt matter how old the child is a teacher should know better. My son is fully aware of jerks out there and has a very thick skin, thats why when he actually expressed how it made him feel like sh!t I knew I had to advocate for him. He would normally let stuff roll off his back.
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Posted by Kitten1929
You spoke with her, she admitted it and that's it. Why are you out for blood with her?
Teachers are human beings too. They make mistakes. She admitted she was wrong and that's more than most people would do. What else is going after her going to accomplish? Do you want your son to be the kid with the annoying mom? I am not saying any of this in a mean or bitchyy way, I am just genuinely confused as to what more you want done and why you want this woman's head on a platter. I would have expressed my displeasure with her and how she handled it, explained that you expect your childs educators to encourage their creativity and that in the future you hope she is more mindful of her choice of words with students and their artwork as it can be very discouraging to hear that their work is horrendous no matter if he did the assignment slightly wrong.
ETA: In reading your other responses, it seems like you just want to go after her until she's fired or something
Ummmm...I never said I wanted her fired. You dont know me at all IRL, I am actually a quiet person and rarely engages in confrontation. I am not sure sure why u are judging me and quite frankly being a little rude. In your one thread u painted a picture of me as a viscious aggressive person who wants to bury this woman. Im thoroughly confused by your comments. I posted this thread because i was taken aback by this comment and now somehow u are trying to make me feel bad.
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Posted by Kitten1929
You spoke with her, she admitted it and that's it. Why are you out for blood with her?
Teachers are human beings too. They make mistakes. She admitted she was wrong and that's more than most people would do. What else is going after her going to accomplish? Do you want your son to be the kid with the annoying mom? I am not saying any of this in a mean or bitchyy way, I am just genuinely confused as to what more you want done and why you want this woman's head on a platter. I would have expressed my displeasure with her and how she handled it, explained that you expect your childs educators to encourage their creativity and that in the future you hope she is more mindful of her choice of words with students and their artwork as it can be very discouraging to hear that their work is horrendous no matter if he did the assignment slightly wrong.
ETA: In reading your other responses, it seems like you just want to go after her until she's fired or something
I also got this impression. She admitted it to you. What is the end result you are looking for? A letter in her file? Her to be fired? If she consistently made your son feel bad, I could see your anger. You said he always gets 100s and positive remarks, so maybe she was just so surprised he didn't follow the directions? Regardless, I would just asks her to apologize to my son and move on.
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Posted by 2boys1girl4me
Posted by Kitten1929
You spoke with her, she admitted it and that's it. Why are you out for blood with her?
Teachers are human beings too. They make mistakes. She admitted she was wrong and that's more than most people would do. What else is going after her going to accomplish? Do you want your son to be the kid with the annoying mom? I am not saying any of this in a mean or bitchyy way, I am just genuinely confused as to what more you want done and why you want this woman's head on a platter. I would have expressed my displeasure with her and how she handled it, explained that you expect your childs educators to encourage their creativity and that in the future you hope she is more mindful of her choice of words with students and their artwork as it can be very discouraging to hear that their work is horrendous no matter if he did the assignment slightly wrong.
ETA: In reading your other responses, it seems like you just want to go after her until she's fired or something
Ummmm...I never said I wanted her fired. You dont know me at all IRL, I am actually a quiet person and rarely engages in confrontation. I am not sure sure why u are judging me and quite frankly being a little rude. In your one thread u painted a picture of me as a viscious aggressive person who wants to bury this woman. Im thoroughly confused by your comments. I posted this thread because i was taken aback by this comment and now somehow u are trying to make me feel bad.
I stated that I was genuinely curious. I am not intending to be rude or mean. But the impression that I got from your posts was exactly what I stated - that it seemed like you wanted this woman fired or something. If you are feeling bad then that's on you. I am not the only one who got this impression. Maybe it's the way you seem so aggressive in the tone of your posts. Don't blame me  If I took your post wrong then it's only because of your aggressive tone.
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Re: Teacher out of line with my son-UPDATE
Posted by Goobster
I read your update. Can I be honest? I give her a lot of credit for admitting she regretted saying it. Have you, as a mom, ever said something you regretted, to your child/ren? We all have things slip out of our mouths in anger or the heat of the moment. Teachers have very stressful jobs too, dealing with so many children isn't always easy. I am not saying it makes it right. But what about just having the teacher explain to your DC that she didn't mean to sound so harsh, but she was frustrated b/c she felt he didn't follow directions, etc?
Disciplinary action, I just don't agree with. She just said something in a manner she could have said differently or in private. But I don't think what she said was breaking any rules. JMO
Of course she should apologize to your son, but then I would let it go.
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Teacher out of line with my son-UPDATE
You want her "disciplined"? In what way? They don't slap with rulers anymore ..
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Re: Teacher out of line with my son-UPDATE
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Posted by Goobster
I read your update. Can I be honest? I give her a lot of credit for admitting she regretted saying it. Have you, as a mom, ever said something you regretted, to your child/ren? We all have things slip out of our mouths in anger or the heat of the moment. Teachers have very stressful jobs too, dealing with so many children isn't always easy. I am not saying it makes it right. But what about just having the teacher explain to your DC that she didn't mean to sound so harsh, but she was frustrated b/c she felt he didn't follow directions, etc?
Disciplinary action, I just don't agree with. She just said something in a manner she could have said differently or in private. But I don't think what she said was breaking any rules. JMO
Of course she should apologize to your son, but then I would let it go.
I agree completely.
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Teacher out of line with my son-UPDATE
If the teacher called my 14 year old's art work horrendous, I would want it notated in her file. Beyond rude, belittling, and very unprofessional. And I am posting as a mother of a 14 year old. Talk about a blow to one's self esteem.
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She said something rude to your son. She did not call him a name, did not verbally abuse him, and did not publicly humiliate him.
You called her on it.
She admitted it and apologized.
What exactly are you hoping will happen?
Leave it alone... Unless she's consistently berating him, tgen what "discipline" would you like exacted?
He's 14, not 4.
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