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Re: Teachers Islandwide face layoffs in budget crunch - 59 teachers were given notices in Lindenhurst
Posted by jes81276
And can I ask, why is it ok for other professionals to make $60-90K (which on LI is a MODEST salary) and not teachers. We go to school for MINIMUM 7 years....we have master's degrees, plus some. I have 60 credits past my masters....that is ALOT of education. Why am I not entitled to a PROFESSIONAL salary????
I feel like I am always apologizing or being made to feel like I am "lucky".
I love my job. I went to school for seven years and worked diligently to get my job.
I knew the perks, the time off.
We have it good and no one is stopping the people who feel we have it so easy and breezy from becoming educators....
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Re: Teachers Islandwide face layoffs in budget crunch - 59 teachers were given notices in Lindenhurst
I'm really confused by the people who think the teachers are at fault
Teachers did not set the pay scale, nor do they decide how much they get paid, so to be pizzed at the money they make or the fact that they would expect to be appropriately compensated for the hard work they do is preposterous. How would anyone else like it if they were scoffed at for expecting appropriate compensation for the work they do everyday?
Now, I'm not a public school teacher, so I'm not going to act like I know all the ins and outs, but I just think the finger pointing at the teachers to fix the problem is insane when they didn't create it.
The problem is far more complicated than teacher salaries, yet they'll be the ones to suffer along with all the kids.
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Re: Teachers Islandwide face layoffs in budget crunch - 59 teachers were given notices in Lindenhurst
This is just sad...its going to mean larger class sizes & less "specials" (that children need). Lindenhurst is where my children will go to school & I'm hoping it doesn't mean half day K or closing one of our elementary schools.
I'm also a private school teacher in the Rockville Centre diocese & we ALL took a payfreeze this year (& we're probably making HALF of what any public school teacher makes), no choice on our part. Now they're looking to oust our most senior teachers across the board to cut costs. 
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Re: Teachers Islandwide face layoffs in budget crunch - 59 teachers were given notices in Lindenhurst
Posted by jes81276
And can I ask, why is it ok for other professionals to make $60-90K (which on LI is a MODEST salary) and not teachers. We go to school for MINIMUM 7 years....we have master's degrees, plus some. I have 60 credits past my masters....that is ALOT of education. Why am I not entitled to a PROFESSIONAL salary????
I teach in NC, and a masters' degree is not required here. However, I have one, and it's going to cost me $230 per month for the next 20 years to pay it off. My salary "boost" for having my Masters is $62 a month. A MONTH!!! What a freakin' joke!!!
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Re: Teachers Islandwide face layoffs in budget crunch - 59 teachers were given notices in Lindenhurst
Posted by jes81276
ETA: In the article it mentions Pat-Med...that is where I went to school where the teachers have always been paid $$$. I have friends who work there now and like I said above, they started at $60-65k and within 5 years are all about $85k+. One is a gym teacher making $96k  after only 5 years...THAT is why this is a problem!
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Sorry, this is def misinformation or someone is not telling the truth. No way a teacher teaching 5 years is making $96k unless they are doing tons of coaching, coverages, etc. It's just not possible....
And can I ask, why is it ok for other professionals to make $60-90K (which on LI is a MODEST salary) and not teachers. We go to school for MINIMUM 7 years....we have master's degrees, plus some. I have 60 credits past my masters....that is ALOT of education. Why am I not entitled to a PROFESSIONAL salary????
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Re: Teachers Islandwide face layoffs in budget crunch - 59 teachers were given notices in Lindenhurst
all i want to know is if there are less teachers, will my school taxes go down 
on a serious note I think this is complete BS....increasing class size is just bad business for schools and the kids will suffer, not good!
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Re: Teachers Islandwide face layoffs in budget crunch - 59 teachers were given notices in Lindenhurst
I guess the admins who make a lot of $$$$ are not impacted. Those are really driving the system down with their huge salaries. Of course, making sure OTHERS are being cut.
I find it to be such a comflict of interest. People making a lot of $$$$ decide who to cut. Of course, it's never them.
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Re: Teachers Islandwide face layoffs in budget crunch - 59 teachers were given notices in Lindenhurst
Posted by jes81276
And can I ask, why is it ok for other professionals to make $60-90K (which on LI is a MODEST salary) and not teachers. We go to school for MINIMUM 7 years....we have master's degrees, plus some. I have 60 credits past my masters....that is ALOT of education. Why am I not entitled to a PROFESSIONAL salary????
$60K-$90K is MODEST for you?????
No offence but if you think that MOST people on LI make that income you are seriously out of touch with reality. A lot of people actually make less than $60K per year.
And also don't assume that other States have lower requirements for their teachers and education. Most States require their teachers to have Masters too.
I don't understand this justification of income because of education. Like ONLY LI has the best schools and the most educated teachers.
Lots of kids from other States make it into Harvard too. They all don't come from LI.
Unfortunatelly EVERYONE in the private section is being squeezed. I don't understand why teachers or anyone in the school system think they will just ride the wave. It's just reality! So you might not have the same health benefits has you used to or pay more for the same or even less coverage. You might not have a salary increase.
That's what everybody else is going through right now.
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Re: Teachers Islandwide face layoffs in budget crunch - 59 teachers were given notices in Lindenhurst
Posted by jes81276
ETA: In the article it mentions Pat-Med...that is where I went to school where the teachers have always been paid $$$. I have friends who work there now and like I said above, they started at $60-65k and within 5 years are all about $85k+. One is a gym teacher making $96k after only 5 years...THAT is why this is a problem!
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Sorry, this is def misinformation or someone is not telling the truth. No way a teacher teaching 5 years is making $96k unless they are doing tons of coaching, coverages, etc. It's just not possible....
And can I ask, why is it ok for other professionals to make $60-90K (which on LI is a MODEST salary) and not teachers. We go to school for MINIMUM 7 years....we have master's degrees, plus some. I have 60 credits past my masters....that is ALOT of education. Why am I not entitled to a PROFESSIONAL salary????
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Re: Teachers Islandwide face layoffs in budget crunch - 59 teachers were given notices in Lindenhurst
Posted by smdl
And also don't assume that other States have lower requirements for their teachers and education. Most States require their teachers to have Masters too.
I don't understand this justification of income because of education. Like ONLY LI has the best schools and the most educated teachers.
Lots of kids from other States make it into Harvard too. They all don't come from LI.
Unfortunatelly EVERYONE in the private section is being squeezed. I don't understand why teachers or anyone in the school system think they will just ride the wave. It's just reality! So you might not have the same health benefits has you used to or pay more for the same or even less coverage. You might not have a salary increase.
Many other states do NOT have Master's requirements. I went from being a guidance counselor on Long Island to one in Florida, and the differences in the education system, the success rate, all of that is astounding. Florida is a state where you are not required to get a Master's, not only that, there are many "alternative paths" to certification in order to get teachers certified and in the classroom. Certainly, the lower education standards are not the sole cause of the problems with the education system in Florida, which, BTW, is I think 48th in the country in educationuncertain:  but it's definitely, IMO, a contributing factor. Salaries suck down here, I try not to think of the fact that I'm making $30k less than I would up in NY and because of the wages, many qualified educators leave the system because they cannot afford to teach. I see it happen all the time. Many educator's do NOT expand their knowledge and get Master's degrees, which directly impacts the kids, because financially, it's not worth it. I think my "stipend" for having a Master's over someone who doesn't is something like $1,000 a year.
Yes, there are bad teachers everywhere, but I have never seen so many teachers in my life, unfortunately, who make me cringe, who should NOT be teaching and influencing kids, and would not last one hot minute in a Long Island school. You get what you pay for. Long Island absolutely does have some of the best schools in the entire nation. The grass is not greener on the other side.
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Re: Teachers Islandwide face layoffs in budget crunch - 59 teachers were given notices in Lindenhurst
Posted by smdl
$60K-$90K is MODEST for you?????
No offense but if you think that MOST people on LI make that income you are seriously out of touch with reality. A lot of people actually make less than $60K per year.
I agree it is not the teacher's fault for the "perks" of a the service job. The union, state and school districts need to come to the conclusion that you can not have tenure in ANY state job with education. Everyone needs to be evaluated, salary increases need to be determined by a system made by evaluations from test results, quality of the educators lessons (written evaluations by students just like you have in college), by principals reviews and by peers.
Its not just a teacher issue as everyone said its higher up with supers, super assistants, etc. Cuts need to be made somewhere, but job loss is horrible as everyone has said this only makes crowded classes, less programs and less after school activities. I for one am not pleased with the idea of half day kindergarten because i want my future child in a full day learning - that is what i did. I also do not mind if they changed the academic calendar to shift to a full year of schooling with a week off per month.
Another thing is I am very interested in the proposal of making every grade in every state the same expectations/testing all over. This way its one unified concept of teaching.
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Re: Teachers Islandwide face layoffs in budget crunch - 59 teachers were given notices in Lindenhurst
This will most likely be the last yr my dd's elementary school is open ! They will split all the kids up into the 3 other schools . It just makes me sad because we are like a tight knit community ,and I love it
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DiamondGirl
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Re: Teachers Islandwide face layoffs in budget crunch - 59 teachers were given notices in Lindenhurst
Posted by smdl
And also don't assume that other States have lower requirements for their teachers and education. Most States require their teachers to have Masters too.
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Not an assumption.
NY and CA have the strictest requirements.
Many other states do not require a Masters degree, fact not assumption.
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Re: Teachers Islandwide face layoffs in budget crunch - 59 teachers were given notices in Lindenhurst
I think a huge problem, as quite a few are mentioning, are the insane salaries made by Supt. and Asst. Supt. So many districts have a huge amount of Asst. Supt - I think my old district had something like ten! Not necessary. Also, it's pretty common for retired principals, supts, etc to go back at take one year and interim positions. So now they're earning their (huge Tier 1) pension and drawing a fact-cat salary. These are the things that should be changed before personnel and services get cut that truly affect the students.
The hs I work at in Florida had five AP's and last year went to six. Six asst principals! Yet, two guidance counselors were cut - leave THREE counselors for a student population of over 2000 students. Class sizes also hover around the 30 mark - for a high school class.
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Re: Teachers Islandwide face layoffs in budget crunch - 59 teachers were given notices in Lindenhurst
Posted by DiamondGirl
Many other states do not require a Masters degree, fact not assumption.
I also agree with the fact that MD should not be necessary with teaching unless its specialized education or higher ed. The only thing that should be required is certification (and re-certification) and the expectation that they should keep learning affective ways and new ways of teaching (which to my understanding that is required anyway.)
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Re: Teachers Islandwide face layoffs in budget crunch - 59 teachers were given notices in Lindenhurst
Posted by DiamondGirl
Posted by smdl
And also don't assume that other States have lower requirements for their teachers and education. Most States require their teachers to have Masters too.
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Not an assumption.
NY and CA have the strictest requirements.
Many other states do not require a Masters degree, fact not assumption.
But many States are only hiring Masters degree teachers while "not official".
But the OP claiming that $90K is modest is completely out of touch with reality.
Yes, we need teachers.
Yes, there are too many admins. And like I said in the other posts, we should be looking at cutting admins too.
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DiamondGirl
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Re: Teachers Islandwide face layoffs in budget crunch - 59 teachers were given notices in Lindenhurst
Posted by smdl
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Posted by smdl
And also don't assume that other States have lower requirements for their teachers and education. Most States require their teachers to have Masters too.
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Not an assumption.
NY and CA have the strictest requirements.
Many other states do not require a Masters degree, fact not assumption.
But many States are only hiring Masters degree teachers while "not official".
But the OP claiming that $90K is modest is completely out of touch with reality.
Yes, we need teachers.
Yes, there are too many admins. And like I said in the other posts, we should be looking at cutting admins too.
Well it depends if you have 22 yrs in the system, yes 90k is modest IMO...
If you are 5th yr teacher, not it is not.
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Re: Teachers Islandwide face layoffs in budget crunch - 59 teachers were given notices in Lindenhurst
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Tough economic times for everyone. Why should teachers be exempt from lay-offs and pay freezes?
They need to cut admin salaries, and consolidate admin jobs, maybe even districts.
Ding Ding Ding!!!
That's exactly what needs to happen
Cut the number of districts on LI, it's ridiculous and why there are more than necessary overpaid superintendents and our taxes are high
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Re: Teachers Islandwide face layoffs in budget crunch - 59 teachers were given notices in Lindenhurst
Posted by mrswask
I think a huge problem, as quite a few are mentioning, are the insane salaries made by Supt. and Asst. Supt. So many districts have a huge amount of Asst. Supt - I think my old district had something like ten! Not necessary. Also, it's pretty common for retired principals, supts, etc to go back at take one year and interim positions. So now they're earning their (huge Tier 1) pension and drawing a fact-cat salary. These are the things that should be changed before personnel and services get cut that truly affect the students.
The hs I work at in Florida had five AP's and last year went to six. Six asst principals! Yet, two guidance counselors were cut - leave THREE counselors for a student population of over 2000 students. Class sizes also hover around the 30 mark - for a high school class.
I agree- the system is VERY top heavy. And in NYC, where small schools are popping up all over, more and more principals and APs are needed to staff these smaller schools,, which do not ultimately do better.
And a couple other points in reference to earlier posts:
- tenure does not entitle anyone to a job for life- tenure entitles a teacher to due process. Yes, there is a fair amount of paperwork to be done but it is possible, especially since so many schools seem to have large administrations. And actually, if a teacher is truly incompetant, gathering the required material shouldn't be that hard.
- the second test scores become a factor in determining employment and salary, will be the second teachers cease to do creative and interesting things and begin doing nothing but test prep.
- Standards for teachers should NOT be lowered- IMO it's depressing to me that ALL states do not require teachers to have Master's degrees. We should be experts in our subject areas AND in pedagogy. I definitely wouldn't want my child taught an AP subject by someone who didn't have a master's degree. Too often we see teachers getting DWI's, getting into bar brawls, doing completely inappropriate things- a real sign that standards shouldn't be lowered. LI and NY as a whole have a highly educated teacher corps- that's a good thing.
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Re: Teachers Islandwide face layoffs in budget crunch - 59 teachers were given notices in Lindenhurst
Posted by jes81276
And can I ask, why is it ok for other professionals to make $60-90K (which on LI is a MODEST salary) and not teachers. We go to school for MINIMUM 7 years....we have master's degrees, plus some. I have 60 credits past my masters....that is ALOT of education. Why am I not entitled to a PROFESSIONAL salary????
Technically, your number is deflated.. teachers only work appx 80% of the year so your range should be $75-112.5k if you are trying to compare it to a job where someone works year-round.
I'm not buying your argument that more schooling should entitle someone with a higher paying job. Many people with PhDs that teach at the college level make a fraction of that salary range.
Obviously, it's not a natural salary for a teacher to have since LI is the only place that has inflated teacher salaries. There are obviously other perks involved in being a teacher that tempt someone to be one at $40k in most states.
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Re: Teachers Islandwide face layoffs in budget crunch - 59 teachers were given notices in Lindenhurst
Posted by DiamondGirl
Well it depends if you have 22 yrs in the system, yes 90k is modest IMO...
If you are 5th yr teacher, not it is not.
I respectfully disagree. 90K is not a modest salary ,even after 22 years. I would argue that less than 25% of people living on LI make that kind of money, even after a lifetime of working in the same place.
Plus, people who work in the private sector do not get pensions, great benefits, etc - all things you have to add to the salary. I don't know what that brings the number to, but I am sure it is well over $100K.
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Re: Teachers Islandwide face layoffs in budget crunch - 59 teachers were given notices in Lindenhurst
I don't see why a gym teacher is criticiszed for making $96K when they work as hard as everyone else
It angers me when people are upset that teachers on LI make decent salaries. It is not a part time job. I may not work 9-5, but it's 7-3 which is the same amount of time shifted two hours.
Teachers are required to have masters as well as continuing professional development. Those who are critical do not see the hours of grading and planning that teachers bring home. There are days I do not sit down at all at work for all the running around I am doing.
Also if high salaries attract the best and brightest to teaching, aren't those the people you want educating your children?
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Re: Teachers Islandwide face layoffs in budget crunch - 59 teachers were given notices in Lindenhurst
Posted by prncsslehcar
I'm really confused by the people who think the teachers are at fault
Teachers did not set the pay scale, nor do they decide how much they get paid, so to be pizzed at the money they make or the fact that they would expect to be appropriately compensated for the hard work they do is preposterous. How would anyone else like it if they were scoffed at for expecting appropriate compensation for the work they do everyday?
Now, I'm not a public school teacher, so I'm not going to act like I know all the ins and outs, but I just think the finger pointing at the teachers to fix the problem is insane when they didn't create it.
The problem is far more complicated than teacher salaries, yet they'll be the ones to suffer along with all the kids.
ITA! The school district agreed on a contract with the teachers' union, which includes a salary scale with pay raises. It's not the fault of teachers that the district did not budget for this. If the teachers agreed to a pay freeze, that would only stop layoffs for this year. Next year the district will be no better off, and layoffs would inevitably follow.
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Re: Teachers Islandwide face layoffs in budget crunch - 59 teachers were given notices in Lindenhurst
Posted by Babyaholic
Tough economic times for everyone. Why should teachers be exempt from lay-offs and pay freezes?
I agree. And in the Lindenhurst, it mentions enrollment is down.
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Re: Teachers Islandwide face layoffs in budget crunch - 59 teachers were given notices in Lindenhurst
Posted by melbalalala
I'm not buying your argument that more schooling should entitle someone with a higher paying job. Many people with PhDs that teach at the college level make a fraction of that salary range.
I work for a college and i can testify those with PHD's are maybe 80/90K and those who write grants 100K on the STATE level. Privatized college professors make $$$$ but not state professors.
Pulled our last public records of Management salaries:
President of the College's salary: $?172,000 2008
Deans make on average $123,339 some of which still teach. So if deans make that much you can tell how much the professor's make.
I do see teachers as one of the most important jobs in the world but i think salaries are a bit wacky - i feel bad saying i hate that teacher's are always attacked but look at what a college level job pays and that is with tenure/years in.
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