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LeShellem
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Re: Trayvon Martin
Posted by medic6809
Can someone link a recent pic of him please. I can't get to the twitter or find recent pics and I am curious of the different apperance. My question is why would you have an old pic of your child up? It's off topic I know but it doesn't make sense. Do they think there will be more outcry for justice if they show a picture of him at 10 or 11 smiling and innocent looking vs a big 17yr old boy with gold teeth? It just seems misleading.
The media is trying to mislead you by posting a younger version of Trayvon and by posting what seems like a mug picture of Zimmerman. It's sensationalism at it's best, its to give people an opinion based on nothing but looks which is ironic because that is what seems Zimmerman has done when he saw Trayvon. To me the picture doesn't matter, the young boy at 17 is dead weather he looks 17 or not, sweet or not, 6'3 or not - he was someone's child, someone's baby, someone's reason for living.
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Re: Trayvon Martin
This is the part of the law that I believe Zimmerman's attorneys would be considering his right to "Stand his Ground" in public:
3)A person who is not engaged in an unlawful activity and who is attacked in any other place where he or she has a right to be has no duty to retreat and has the right to stand his or her ground and meet force with force, including deadly force if he or she reasonably believes it is necessary to do so to prevent death or great bodily harm to himself or herself or another or to prevent the commission of a forcible felony.
This counts for anywhere in public that you are "allowed to be".
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nrthshgrl
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Re: Trayvon Martin
Author of "stand your ground" law: George Zimmerman should probably be arrested for killing Trayvon Martin
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504083_162-57401619-504083/author-of-stand-your-ground-law-george-zimmerman-should-probably-be-arrested-for-killing-trayvon-martin/
(CBS/AP) SANFORD, Fla. - The authors of Florida's controversial "stand your ground" self-defense law say George Zimmerman should probably be arrested for shooting Trayvon Martin, reports the Miami Herald.
Photos: Trayvon Martin
"He has no protection under my law," former Sen. Durell Peaden told the newspaper.
Florida's law, called "stand your ground" by supporters and "shoot first" by critics, was passed in 2005 and permits residents to use deadly force if they "reasonably believes it is necessary to do so to prevent death or great bodily harm to himself or herself or another or to prevent the commission of a forcible felony."
Traditionally, self-defense laws did not typically extend beyond a person's home, but the Florida law, and at least 20 more passed across the country since them, allows a resident to "meet force with force" almost anywhere, including the street or a bar.
Zimmerman, 28, reportedly admitted to police that he shot 17-year-old Trayvon Martin on the evening of February 26. He was released without being charged after claiming he killed the boy in self-defense. But 911 recordings released over the weekend suggest that Zimmerman, who has a concealed weapons permit and volunteered in an apparently informal neighborhood watch program, pursued Martin, despite being told police were on their way.
It is the fact that Zimmerman ignored the 911 operator's advice not to follow Martin that former Sen. Peaden says disqualifies him from claiming self-defense under the law.
"The guy lost his defense right then," Peaden told the Miami Herald. "When he said 'I'm following him,' he lost his defense."
Rep. Dennis Baxley, Peaden's co-sponsor in the Florida House, agrees with his former colleague, telling the newspaper that the law does not license neighborhood watch or others who feel "like they have the authority to pursue and confront people. That is aggravating an incident right there."
Both co-sponsors told the newspaper, however, that they did not think the law needed to be re-examined.
"If you want to pass something, pass something that limits their ability to pursue and confront people," Baxley said. "It's about crime watch," he said. "What are the limitations of crime watch? Are you allowed to jump out and follow people and confront them? What do you think is going to happen? That's where it starts."
But during the town hall meeting in Sanford, Florida Rep. Geraldine Thompson promised the law's repeal would be a top priority for the state legislature's black caucus.
"If vigilante justice becomes the norm, will visitors feel comfortable coming to our state?," she asked.
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ItsaJoya19
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Re: Trayvon Martin
Posted by nrthshgrl
"If vigilante justice becomes the norm, will visitors feel comfortable coming to our state?," she asked.
NOPE!
I lived in Tampa, FL for a year about 10 years ago. It was ass backwards then and it's ass backwards now.
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| Posted 3/27/12 11:25 AM |
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nrthshgrl
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Re: Trayvon Martin
Posted by ItsaJoya19
Posted by nrthshgrl
"If vigilante justice becomes the norm, will visitors feel comfortable coming to our state?," she asked.
NOPE!
I lived in Tampa, FL for a year about 10 years ago. It was ass backwards then and it's ass backwards now.
I hear you. My old boyfriend's brother was murdered in FL. I saw the court system firsthand. (insert shaking head icon here).
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| Posted 3/27/12 11:33 AM |
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nrthshgrl
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Re: Trayvon Martin
Posted by LeShellem
The media is trying to mislead you by posting a younger version of Trayvon and by posting what seems like a mug picture of Zimmerman. It's sensationalism at it's best, its to give people an opinion based on nothing but looks which is ironic because that is what seems Zimmerman has done when he saw Trayvon.
Exactly!
Gold teeth, hoodie, gangsta apparel. It just doesn't equate death.
If there was a call out for a suspect with the same appearance, I could see approaching the suspect, following him (WITH THE 911 OPERATOR'S BLESSING).
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| Posted 3/27/12 11:38 AM |
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BargainMama
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Re: Trayvon Martin
Posted by medic6809
Can someone link a recent pic of him please. I can't get to the twitter or find recent pics and I am curious of the different apperance. My question is why would you have an old pic of your child up? It's off topic I know but it doesn't make sense. Do they think there will be more outcry for justice if they show a picture of him at 10 or 11 smiling and innocent looking vs a big 17yr old boy with gold teeth? It just seems misleading.
*deleted because after looking at it, I'm not sure all of those photos are real.
**Please note this link does not represent my opinion in no way, shape or form, just posting for the pictures, as I just did a google search myself to see.
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| Posted 3/27/12 11:48 AM |
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Re: Trayvon Martin
Posted by BargainMama
Posted by medic6809
Can someone link a recent pic of him please. I can't get to the twitter or find recent pics and I am curious of the different apperance. My question is why would you have an old pic of your child up? It's off topic I know but it doesn't make sense. Do they think there will be more outcry for justice if they show a picture of him at 10 or 11 smiling and innocent looking vs a big 17yr old boy with gold teeth? It just seems misleading.
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**Please note this link does not represent my opinion in no way, shape or form, just posting for the pictures, as I just did a google search myself to see.
Thank you for posting this. I just want to be clear I am not saying it matters. I am just wondering why people aren't marching with recent pics of him? The panthers want a bounty because it's racialy based, and yet is it not racial to show a much younger version of him to gain sympathy because his more recent pics are not as heart wrenching. Is that not hypocritical? This is a good exampl to CHANGE this a tad. SHow him, the way her was NOW and mourn THAT child's death...not the picture of a child a long time ago. Plus based on the pictures we are seeing you are really mislead as to his actual size. Again not saying anything to defend anybody...just kind sad that people are saying race and yet that same race is doing the same. As a mother my heart is broken and that is the only thing that matters to me.
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nrthshgrl
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Re: Trayvon Martin
Posted by dita
Yes I do here myself. I did not say he was deserving of murder.
After reading his tweets I don't think he was such a nice kid that the media painted of him. Read the tweets about women and tell me you think he is a nice kid.
Read page 2,3 of the tweets tweets/
I don't know him. Maybe he wasn't a nice kid at all.
I realize you're not saying that he deserved to be killed but I'm not seeing how he's being portrayed as a "nice kid" or whether that's relevant. As far as I'm aware, no one is saying he was an honor student, involved in his religion, donated to charities & worked in soup kitchens. They're just saying he didn't deserve to die. Something that you agree with.
I'm not going to lie. I see a guy dressed gangsta style - white or black - I'm paying attention to what he's doing. I do judge based on appearance - just like everyone else. On the other hand this weekend I was in a museum with my kids. I paid close attention to the single guy - in a tourist attraction - wearing a polo shirt in a museum who randomly (maybe not) wound up standing next to my kids. I was on guard too.
Zimmerman had every right to form opinions based on what the kid was wearing. What he didn't have the right to do was approach him, struggle with him, shoot him based on his appearance.
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Re: Trayvon Martin
The most offensive tweets were RT (re-tweets) meaning he was not the author but sharing what a friend posted. Not that it's great he felt such things appropriate to share but I follow a lot of my brother's friends and you should see what many kids/young adults think is humorous.
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GioiaMia
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Re: Trayvon Martin
I dont understand how people (not on here, in general) can see the pictures and suddenly come to a different conclusion about this case.
The only picture that would explain to me why this kid was shot is a picture of him taken that day where he had a gun in his hand!
No one is saying he is not a punk. Maybe he was a terrible kid. None of your husbands, brothers and cousins were little a-holes when they were growing up? NONE of them did anything wrong? NONE of them acted like tough guys? He was a KID, an UNARMED kid. And if a JURY finds ZImmerman innocent, then so be it - people just want the proper steps followed in the case! That is what this is about. Or what it is SUPPOSED to be about.
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Re: Trayvon Martin
Posted by MrsPJB2007
It baffles me that people think it's okay for a man to follow a teenager in his car, for NO REASON because he thought he was "up to no good". (Zimmerman's words on the 911 tape) Then call 911 and be told DO NOT FOLLOW HIM SIR and then this man continues to not only follow him, but GET OUT OF THE CAR and approach him.
I don't care what the race/sex/religion/sexual orientation of stranger who does not have any business following me in the first place is...if they come at me I am going to react and that is likely what Trayvon Martin did. Zimmerman was the INSTIGATOR in this situation...he antagonized Martin by following him in the car and then approaching after being told expressively DO NOT GET OUT OF YOUR CAR by the 911 operator. How the hell is he allowed to claim "Stand your ground" here if he was the one who started everything. If he got into an altercation with Martin that was HIS doing by being where he was not supposed to be, and because Martin was whooping his ass he deserves to be murdered?
UNREAL. And seriously, people pulling out "well he was suspended from school at the time...did you see his pics? Doesn't seem like a good kid to me..." is sickening. I don't give a shit if what kind of twitter handle he had or if he was taking picks with his middle finger up or whatever, in THIS instance that boy was innocent. He was minding his business and walking in a neighborhood to head to someone's house with no ill intentions and Zimmerman felt he shouldn't be allowed to do that. So he became some sort of vigilante and now this teenager is dead. How he is not being arrested is beyond me because of that despicable law.
How can you light a match that sparks a fire and be able to have NO repercussions from it? Disgusting.
ITA with every word you wrote.
I can not believe people are saying look at his Twitter comments or he was suspended. HOW does that matter? He wasn't doing anything wrong. He was getting a drink and skittles. He was walking and wearing a hoodie something I know I do often and so does my husband. But because my husband is white he wouldn't look threatening?
I dont care if Zimmerman was Latino and not white. This was a race issue. And if Trayon was white, I guarentee Zimmerman would have been arrested.
The sad fact is that still in 2012, a black man is going to be looked at by some people as a threat no matter what. Whether he is in a hoodie or a business suit. It's digusting and sad.
I can not understand how Zimmerman is walking right now.
And I really can't understand how people are blaming a hoodie, or now talking about Trayon being a "not so good kid." Oh well. He was 17. Whether he was an angel or got in trouble with school doesn't matter to me. His life was taken way too soon for no reason at all.
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Re: Trayvon Martin
Posted by GioiaMia
I dont understand how people (not on here, in general) can see the pictures and suddenly come to a different conclusion about this case.
The only picture that would explain to me why this kid was shot is a picture of him taken that day where he had a gun in his hand!
No one is saying he is not a punk. Maybe he was a terrible kid. None of your husbands, brothers and cousins were little a-holes when they were growing up? NONE of them did anything wrong? NONE of them acted like tough guys? He was a KID, an UNARMED kid. And if a JURY finds ZImmerman innocent, then so be it - people just want the proper steps followed in the case! That is what this is about. Or what it is SUPPOSED to be about.
ITA
I keep thinking of my 20yo nephew who I actually had to hide from my FB newsfeed b/c he's disgusting on there. And in person - and reality - he's a sweet, empathic, great kid. GOD FORBID something like this ever befell him, I cringe to think of the judgments people would make about what he did or did not deserve (re: justice - not saying anyone is supporting the killing).
I also have three older brothers and a brother-in-law who are all now fantastic men. They were not, however, "fantastic" 17yo's.
NOTHING - N.O.T.H.I.N.G. - can justify what that wannabe cop did to this child.
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jax1
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Re: Trayvon Martin
Posted by dita
Posted by LeShellem
Posted by carolyns4cupcakes
Posted by dita
ETA: You can read some of his tweets. He doesn't seem like such a nice kid after all.
Do you even hear yourself?
No she doesn't. 
Yes I do here myself. I did not say he was deserving of murder.
After reading his tweets I don't think he was such a nice kid that the media painted of him. Read the tweets about women and tell me you think he is a nice kid.
Read page 2,3 of the tweets tweets/
It's probably a lyric to a song. Not saying it's right, but if you looked at most 17 year olds Twitter or FB you would be in shock! I just dont think it's relevant, and I don't think it really tells us who Trayvon was as a person...
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jax1
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Re: Trayvon Martin
Posted by GioiaMia
I dont understand how people (not on here, in general) can see the pictures and suddenly come to a different conclusion about this case.
The only picture that would explain to me why this kid was shot is a picture of him taken that day where he had a gun in his hand!
No one is saying he is not a punk. Maybe he was a terrible kid. None of your husbands, brothers and cousins were little a-holes when they were growing up? NONE of them did anything wrong? NONE of them acted like tough guys? He was a KID, an UNARMED kid. And if a JURY finds ZImmerman innocent, then so be it - people just want the proper steps followed in the case! That is what this is about. Or what it is SUPPOSED to be about.
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Re: Trayvon Martin
so we know that the guy in the car had a gun and allegedly was pursuing an unarmed kid who was on foot. Same guy in car was told not to pursue but did anyway, took the law into his own hands and shot the kid provoked or otherwise. Guy in car has a broken nose..kid is dead.
The facts are the guy was in a car and armed. The kid was on foot and unarmed. Guy who shot the kid walks.
Is that what we know to be true?
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Re: Trayvon Martin
Posted by jax1
Posted by MrsPJB2007
It baffles me that people think it's okay for a man to follow a teenager in his car, for NO REASON because he thought he was "up to no good". (Zimmerman's words on the 911 tape) Then call 911 and be told DO NOT FOLLOW HIM SIR and then this man continues to not only follow him, but GET OUT OF THE CAR and approach him.
I don't care what the race/sex/religion/sexual orientation of stranger who does not have any business following me in the first place is...if they come at me I am going to react and that is likely what Trayvon Martin did. Zimmerman was the INSTIGATOR in this situation...he antagonized Martin by following him in the car and then approaching after being told expressively DO NOT GET OUT OF YOUR CAR by the 911 operator. How the hell is he allowed to claim "Stand your ground" here if he was the one who started everything. If he got into an altercation with Martin that was HIS doing by being where he was not supposed to be, and because Martin was whooping his ass he deserves to be murdered?
UNREAL. And seriously, people pulling out "well he was suspended from school at the time...did you see his pics? Doesn't seem like a good kid to me..." is sickening. I don't give a shit if what kind of twitter handle he had or if he was taking picks with his middle finger up or whatever, in THIS instance that boy was innocent. He was minding his business and walking in a neighborhood to head to someone's house with no ill intentions and Zimmerman felt he shouldn't be allowed to do that. So he became some sort of vigilante and now this teenager is dead. How he is not being arrested is beyond me because of that despicable law.
How can you light a match that sparks a fire and be able to have NO repercussions from it? Disgusting.
ITA with every word you wrote.
I can not believe people are saying look at his Twitter comments or he was suspended. HOW does that matter? He wasn't doing anything wrong. He was getting a drink and skittles. He was walking and wearing a hoodie something I know I do often and so does my husband. But because my husband is white he wouldn't look threatening?
I dont care if Zimmerman was Latino and not white. This was a race issue. And if Trayon was white, I guarentee Zimmerman would have been arrested.
The sad fact is that still in 2012, a black man is going to be looked at by some people as a threat no matter what. Whether he is in a hoodie or a business suit. It's digusting and sad.
I can not understand how Zimmerman is walking right now.
And I really can't understand how people are blaming a hoodie, or now talking about Trayon being a "not so good kid." Oh well. He was 17. Whether he was an angel or got in trouble with school doesn't matter to me. His life was taken way too soon for no reason at all.
I never do this and get into these threads ever.
but ITA on all!
and Who is to say that Trayon wasnt SCARED after possibily knowing someone was following him on his walk and then to get approached-
SHIIT i would be screaming and freaked out thinking this guy was out to get me. There would be a struggle for sure.
He was still a 17yr old boy- being followed.
Just terrible. so terrible.
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jilliibabii
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Re: Trayvon Martin
OMG! I hadn't heard about this story. That's horrible. Why is this guy Zimmerman getting away with it?!
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Re: Trayvon Martin
Posted by jax1
Posted by dita
Posted by LeShellem
Posted by carolyns4cupcakes
Posted by dita
ETA: You can read some of his tweets. He doesn't seem like such a nice kid after all.
Do you even hear yourself?
No she doesn't.
Yes I do here myself. I did not say he was deserving of murder.
After reading his tweets I don't think he was such a nice kid that the media painted of him. Read the tweets about women and tell me you think he is a nice kid.
Read page 2,3 of the tweets tweets/
It's probably a lyric to a song. Not saying it's right, but if you looked at most 17 year olds Twitter or FB you would be in shock! I just dont think it's relevant, and I don't think it really tells us who Trayvon was as a person...
I think it does tell us a bit about who he was...well what I can understand in it. I find it vulgar and so hard to read because of the purposeful writing style. Makes me sick some of the words being typed.
The point though is no matter what he wrote, what he said, how he looked, or how he really was doesn't mean he deserved this. MY issue is the media is basically making him out to be a church going 100lb 11 year old just walking home at 0030 and was gunned down by this large hispanic man for no reason other then race. What we know is a 17 year old unarmed black boy was killed early in the morning by a 27 year old armed hispanic male that was told to leave him alone BY POLICE. I don't understand why we need to "fix" the pictures to convey something other then it was and now as tweets and new pics are being released people are wondering what the hellls bells is going on and who is he really and who is zimmeman really.
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Re: Trayvon Martin
Posted by dita
In no way do I think Zimmerman was right. Trayvon was totally innocent.
However, maybe we should be a little more cautious about how we let our kids leave the house. Google "hooded gunman". Apparently it's almost a "uniform"
My 2 year old wears hoodies and I really hope they are out of style by the time he is a teenager.
people have been making generalizations and basing stereotypes off of what teenagers wear for years...
i know when i was in high school and had purple hair and wore all black or skater rat clothes i got a TON of sideways glances.
it didn't make me a bad person, it made me a teenager in the 90's.
this kid was wearing a hoodie. TONS of kids wear them.
doesn't make them bad or up to no good. it makes them teenagers wearing what's cool.
this kid was shot and killed for no legit reason. it's a very sad story.
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Re: Trayvon Martin
I think what happened is disgusting and sad.
I don't think anyone should go out looking for trouble, especially with a gun. It's not safe for others, and it's not safe for that person either.
I don't think it matters what this kid was like outside of this particular incident. I don't know him, I don't know his family, and I won't judge him based on pics he posted or things he wrote--he's a teenager. They write crazy stuff. They are young. They are often immature. Not of that should be used to judge the person behind what they post. His family, friends, and teachers would know him best. Even if he was an awful person, that would not justify murder.
I don't know, because we can't know and may never know, all the details behind what happened. I believe Zimmerman was wrong for following this boy. I believe Zimmerman was wrong for getting out of his car. I don't know what happened after that. If the reports that he was then attacked are true, I don't know what to think. SHould he have taken a beating because he was wrong in getting out of the car? I certainly don't believe there was ever justification for shooting, but i don't have the facts. was the boy then saying he was going to kill him? if so, should Zimmerman have let that happen since he was wrong for getting out of the car? this, for me, is where it is murky.
i do believe zimmerman should be in jail. the details and facts need to be sorted out, but it sounds like there is enough evidence against him that justifies an arrest.
as for the hoody, some of the comments remind me of comments made to women--you shouldn't dress a certain way if you don't want men to make assumptions about you. It's 100% wrong. We shouldn't have to go around that way. At the same time, do we stand our ground and take the risk because there are some idiots out there? or do we watch what we wear to keep ourselves safe. i think some sort of balance is needed, and a hoody seems pretty minor to me. there is certainly attire that can spark some attention, but a hoody? that's like saying a woman should never show any cleavage...
it's a very sad story all around
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Kidsaplenty
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Re: Trayvon Martin
Another thing i find troubling is Trayvon was 60 or so yards from home when the altercation occurred...but Zimmerman said he attacked him. If the kid was almost home why attack, why not just run home since youre so close
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