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Hopefulmama
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Re: Vaccine ‘peer pressure’
At this point my siblings and I aren’t eligible and we do get together. But they do not plan on getting the vaccine and I do. Once I have it, I will have misgivings about seeing them with my kids. I don’t want the unvaxed adults in my family giving my kids covid. So....this is one of those “personal decisions” that does affect other people.
Humorously my sister smokes and my weightlifting brother takes supplements with god knows what. Yet both won’t take the vaccine bc they don’t trust what’s in it.
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Re: Vaccine ‘peer pressure’
Posted by Hopefulmama
At this point my siblings and I aren’t eligible and we do get together. But they do not plan on getting the vaccine and I do. Once I have it, I will have misgivings about seeing them with my kids. I don’t want the unvaxed adults in my family giving my kids covid. So....this is one of those “personal decisions” that does affect other people.
Humorously my sister smokes and my weightlifting brother takes supplements with god knows what. Yet both won’t take the vaccine bc they don’t trust what’s in it.
But you see them now, all unvaccinated. So can't they give your kids Covid now? What's the difference between now and then?
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| Posted 3/25/21 12:59 PM |
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Hopefulmama
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Re: Vaccine ‘peer pressure’
Posted by NervousNell
Posted by Hopefulmama
At this point my siblings and I aren’t eligible and we do get together. But they do not plan on getting the vaccine and I do. Once I have it, I will have misgivings about seeing them with my kids. I don’t want the unvaxed adults in my family giving my kids covid. So....this is one of those “personal decisions” that does affect other people.
Humorously my sister smokes and my weightlifting brother takes supplements with god knows what. Yet both won’t take the vaccine bc they don’t trust what’s in it.
But you see them now, all unvaccinated. So can't they give your kids Covid now? What's the difference between now and then?
Might not be entirely rational :) But right now we are all in the same boat. Once it’s open to the general public and many of us can get vaccinated, I think I would choose the safer encounters for my kids than the less safe. I can’t see intentionally putting my kids at risk to see people who chose not to get it.
Incidentally my kids teacher has Covid now. She obviously chose not to get vaxxed and could have potentially spread it all to her kids and their families. Her choice affects others...
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BFNY516
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Vaccine ‘peer pressure’
If you have an HR department I would approach them about this situation. And document, document, document all comments, times, and dates.
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| Posted 3/25/21 1:24 PM |
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NervousNell
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Re: Vaccine ‘peer pressure’
Posted by BFNY516
If you have an HR department I would approach them about this situation. And document, document, document all comments, times, and dates.
This is actually a great idea. This can actually be a very serious issue for companies- especially ones with a large HR and/or legal dept.
I know my company actually sent us all an email saying that we are not allowed to ask anyone at work about their vaccination status.
ETA- here is how they worded it...
As you know, vaccines are being rolled out across the planet. You may find yourself discussing your own vaccination status with your co-workers, or casually asking whether they have been able to get the vaccine yet. As with all inquiries that may inadvertently solicit medical- or disability-related information, please remember that certain questions are off-limits.
For example, it’s okay to:
Share your own vaccination status.
But you shouldn’t ask:
If an employee is eligible to be vaccinated.
Why an employee hasn’t been vaccinated.
Whether the employee’s family members are eligible to be, or have been, vaccinated.
Why not? Because there are many reasons a person might not be vaccinated, and many of them relate to underlying heath conditions—their own or their family members’—that they may not want to disclose.
If someone voluntarily shares their vaccination status with you, hold the information as confidential*; as with all medical- or disability-related information, you shouldn’t disclose another employee’s vaccination status.
So yeah, they are wildly out of line asking you any of this and I'd definitely go to HR if you have one
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| Posted 3/25/21 1:37 PM |
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Pomegranate5
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Re: Vaccine ‘peer pressure’
Posted by Hopefulmama
Posted by NervousNell
Posted by Hopefulmama
At this point my siblings and I aren’t eligible and we do get together. But they do not plan on getting the vaccine and I do. Once I have it, I will have misgivings about seeing them with my kids. I don’t want the unvaxed adults in my family giving my kids covid. So....this is one of those “personal decisions” that does affect other people.
Humorously my sister smokes and my weightlifting brother takes supplements with god knows what. Yet both won’t take the vaccine bc they don’t trust what’s in it.
But you see them now, all unvaccinated. So can't they give your kids Covid now? What's the difference between now and then?
Might not be entirely rational :) But right now we are all in the same boat. Once it’s open to the general public and many of us can get vaccinated, I think I would choose the safer encounters for my kids than the less safe. I can’t see intentionally putting my kids at risk to see people who chose not to get it.
Incidentally my kids teacher has Covid now. She obviously chose not to get vaxxed and could have potentially spread it all to her kids and their families. Her choice affects others...
But the vaccine does not stop you from getting it or spreading it so there is no way to know how her decision did or did not affect anyone around her. Also assuming she was wearing a mask (as is still required) she wasn't putting anyone else at any greater risk.
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| Posted 3/25/21 2:05 PM |
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LittleDiva
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Re: Vaccine ‘peer pressure’
Posted by NervousNell
Posted by BFNY516
If you have an HR department I would approach them about this situation. And document, document, document all comments, times, and dates.
This is actually a great idea. This can actually be a very serious issue for companies- especially ones with a large HR and/or legal dept.
I know my company actually sent us all an email saying that we are not allowed to ask anyone at work about their vaccination status.
ETA- here is how they worded it...
As you know, vaccines are being rolled out across the planet. You may find yourself discussing your own vaccination status with your co-workers, or casually asking whether they have been able to get the vaccine yet. As with all inquiries that may inadvertently solicit medical- or disability-related information, please remember that certain questions are off-limits.
For example, it’s okay to:
Share your own vaccination status.
But you shouldn’t ask:
If an employee is eligible to be vaccinated.
Why an employee hasn’t been vaccinated.
Whether the employee’s family members are eligible to be, or have been, vaccinated.
Why not? Because there are many reasons a person might not be vaccinated, and many of them relate to underlying heath conditions—their own or their family members’—that they may not want to disclose.
If someone voluntarily shares their vaccination status with you, hold the information as confidential*; as with all medical- or disability-related information, you shouldn’t disclose another employee’s vaccination status.
So yeah, they are wildly out of line asking you any of this and I'd definitely go to HR if you have one
I wish I worked for a large company right about now. My husband told me to just let them know how I feel and then start documenting
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LittleDiva
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Re: Vaccine ‘peer pressure’
Posted by NervousNell
Posted by Hopefulmama
At this point my siblings and I aren’t eligible and we do get together. But they do not plan on getting the vaccine and I do. Once I have it, I will have misgivings about seeing them with my kids. I don’t want the unvaxed adults in my family giving my kids covid. So....this is one of those “personal decisions” that does affect other people.
Humorously my sister smokes and my weightlifting brother takes supplements with god knows what. Yet both won’t take the vaccine bc they don’t trust what’s in it.
But you see them now, all unvaccinated. So can't they give your kids Covid now? What's the difference between now and then?
This is what I’m talking about too. Why make people feel bad about their decision. You see them now?
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chilltocam
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Vaccine ‘peer pressure’
They definitely should not be pressuring you. That is not right. You obviously have a right to choose and to keep that information private. But the pandemic is a public health matter where everyone's actions (or inactions) can/does effect everyone they come into contact with. Your decision to wear a mask or not, or to get vaccinated or not absolutely effects those around you. And like it or not, our decisions (about so many different things) often come with consequences in how other view and treat you (the general you, not the OP)
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NervousNell
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Re: Vaccine ‘peer pressure’
Posted by chilltocam
They definitely should not be pressuring you. That is not right. You obviously have a right to choose and to keep that information private. But the pandemic is a public health matter where everyone's actions (or inactions) can/does effect everyone they come into contact with. Your decision to wear a mask or not, or to get vaccinated or not absolutely effects those around you. And like it or not, our decisions (about so many different things) often come with consequences in how other view and treat you (the general you, not the OP)
Yes this is why you don't tell them anything at all.
So they can't judge you one way or the other.
Just don't respond to any questions.
They legally aren't allowed to ask you at work anyway.
Problem. Solved.
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PitterPatter11
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Vaccine ‘peer pressure’
At work, everyone should be wearing masks regardless of vaccination status.
In private settings (like gatherings with friends and family), it is useful to know vaccination status so you know if you need to wear a mask. For example, my family and my sister's family is vaccinated (minus children) so we won't wear a mask when we visit them. My brother and SIL are not vaccinated so we will need to wear a mask and/or meet with them outdoors. They are not the best with mask compliance so I would probably only meet up with them outside.
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itsbabytime
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Re: Vaccine ‘peer pressure’
Posted by Hopefulmama
At this point my siblings and I aren’t eligible and we do get together. But they do not plan on getting the vaccine and I do. Once I have it, I will have misgivings about seeing them with my kids. I don’t want the unvaxed adults in my family giving my kids covid. So....this is one of those “personal decisions” that does affect other people.
Humorously my sister smokes and my weightlifting brother takes supplements with god knows what. Yet both won’t take the vaccine bc they don’t trust what’s in it.
Vaccinated people can spread and still get COVID, FYI. Just ask your doctor.
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| Posted 3/25/21 4:35 PM |
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chilltocam
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Re: Vaccine ‘peer pressure’
Posted by itsbabytime
Posted by Hopefulmama
At this point my siblings and I aren’t eligible and we do get together. But they do not plan on getting the vaccine and I do. Once I have it, I will have misgivings about seeing them with my kids. I don’t want the unvaxed adults in my family giving my kids covid. So....this is one of those “personal decisions” that does affect other people.
Humorously my sister smokes and my weightlifting brother takes supplements with god knows what. Yet both won’t take the vaccine bc they don’t trust what’s in it.
Vaccinated people can spread and still get COVID, FYI. Just ask your doctor.
They CAN spread it? That's now been proven? Or there is just not enough information yet to know if they can?
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lululu
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Re: Vaccine ‘peer pressure’
Posted by Pomegranate5
But the vaccine does not stop you from getting it or spreading it so there is no way to know how her decision did or did not affect anyone around her. Also assuming she was wearing a mask (as is still required) she wasn't putting anyone else at any greater risk.
This is a very misleading post. The vaccine will not prevent you from getting it but it does decrease your chances immensely so chances are if she was vaccinated, she would not have gotten covid.
Also, just because you are wearing a mask does not mean you are not putting anyone at risk. I wish people would stop assuming that a mask means you are protected and you are protecting everyone around you. It doesn't. I am not saying not to wear one, because they clearly HELP. But no where ever did anyone say wearing masks will completely mitigate your risk of getting or giving covid.
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lululu
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Re: Vaccine ‘peer pressure’
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PitterPatter11
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Re: Vaccine ‘peer pressure’
Posted by chilltocam
Posted by itsbabytime
Vaccinated people can spread and still get COVID, FYI. Just ask your doctor.
They CAN spread it? That's now been proven? Or there is just not enough information yet to know if they can?
As of now, there is still not enough data to say vaccinated people can not spread it.
The vaccines have an efficacy of 100% at preventing severe infection and death.
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Re: Vaccine ‘peer pressure’
Posted by chilltocam
Posted by itsbabytime
Posted by Hopefulmama
At this point my siblings and I aren’t eligible and we do get together. But they do not plan on getting the vaccine and I do. Once I have it, I will have misgivings about seeing them with my kids. I don’t want the unvaxed adults in my family giving my kids covid. So....this is one of those “personal decisions” that does affect other people.
Humorously my sister smokes and my weightlifting brother takes supplements with god knows what. Yet both won’t take the vaccine bc they don’t trust what’s in it.
Vaccinated people can spread and still get COVID, FYI. Just ask your doctor.
They CAN spread it? That's now been proven? Or there is just not enough information yet to know if they can?
‘Can’ in the sense that it’s still a possibility. The trials were designed to study and focus on symptomatic disease. Not if a vaccinated person can or cannot get the virus or transmit it to other people. Pharmaceutical companies can make assumptions and suggestions but in reality there’s no concrete data that shows the vaccine will indeed prevent getting the virus and stop spread. Making these 2 things a posibility.
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Re: Vaccine ‘peer pressure’
Posted by Funkybutt
I imagine that eventually, the only ones that would need to be hospitalized or that die are those that didn't get the shot or those that are in the small % that the shot wasn't effective.
Getting covid is not a death sentence or a guarantee u’ll be hospitalized. The majority of cases are asymptomatic. The number of asymptomatic cases that we know of it’s because those people were told to test...maybe because their job requires them to randomly test, maybe because they need to travel, maybe because they just feel like testing, obviously not because they feel sick. That number is already pretty high, I can only imagine how much higher it’d be if we include all those asymptomatic cases that have not tested and don’t even know they have the virus. Many resolving without ever manifesting symptoms.
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Re: Vaccine ‘peer pressure’
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It is absolutely my business if you don’t want to get a vaccine if it means I still have to wear a mask, because you decided not to get vaccinated. Once the vaccine is available to everyone, no one should have to wear a mask, even if they think you can still transmit the virus.
So don't wear a mask. If I chose not to get vaccinated I don't expect you to wear a mask.
But it's still none of your business what I do.
And if you think I would tell you or anyone my vaccine status you're sorely mistaken .
It’s such an unfair ideal to impose the responsibility of my health on others. I see this narrative everywhere and it has never sit well with me. Are we so incapable to take care of ourselves that we must depend on others to do it? I’d never expect someone else to take on that responsibility. I’m not a child lol, I’m adult that cares for my health and take the right measures to nourish it. I would never expect u (general u) to take care of it, I’d expect myself to do it.
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NervousNell
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Re: Vaccine ‘peer pressure’
Posted by soontobemommyof2
Posted by NervousNell
Posted by Kate
It is absolutely my business if you don’t want to get a vaccine if it means I still have to wear a mask, because you decided not to get vaccinated. Once the vaccine is available to everyone, no one should have to wear a mask, even if they think you can still transmit the virus.
So don't wear a mask. If I chose not to get vaccinated I don't expect you to wear a mask.
But it's still none of your business what I do.
And if you think I would tell you or anyone my vaccine status you're sorely mistaken .
It’s such an unfair ideal to impose the responsibility of my health on others. I see this narrative everywhere and it has never sit well with me. Are we so incapable to take care of ourselves that we must depend on others to do it? I’d never expect someone else to take on that responsibility. I’m not a child lol, I’m adult that cares for my health and take the right measures to nourish it. I would never expect u (general u) to take care of it, I’d expect myself to do it.
Exactly.
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Pomegranate5
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Re: Vaccine ‘peer pressure’
Posted by lululu
Posted by Pomegranate5
But the vaccine does not stop you from getting it or spreading it so there is no way to know how her decision did or did not affect anyone around her. Also assuming she was wearing a mask (as is still required) she wasn't putting anyone else at any greater risk.
This is a very misleading post. The vaccine will not prevent you from getting it but it does decrease your chances immensely so chances are if she was vaccinated, she would not have gotten covid.
Also, just because you are wearing a mask does not mean you are not putting anyone at risk. I wish people would stop assuming that a mask means you are protected and you are protecting everyone around you. It doesn't. I am not saying not to wear one, because they clearly HELP. But no where ever did anyone say wearing masks will completely mitigate your risk of getting or giving covid.
It is not, and I am not the only one who has said it.
Also, in school settings the spread of covid is virtually zero. So her wearing a mask and the children wearing masks as they are still required did protect them.
Did they test for asymptomatic infection in vaccine trial subjects? Pretty sure they didn't. Which is why they can't say for sure anything yet.
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Re: Vaccine ‘peer pressure’
Posted by soontobemommyof2
Posted by NervousNell
Posted by Kate
It is absolutely my business if you don’t want to get a vaccine if it means I still have to wear a mask, because you decided not to get vaccinated. Once the vaccine is available to everyone, no one should have to wear a mask, even if they think you can still transmit the virus.
So don't wear a mask. If I chose not to get vaccinated I don't expect you to wear a mask.
But it's still none of your business what I do.
And if you think I would tell you or anyone my vaccine status you're sorely mistaken .
It’s such an unfair ideal to impose the responsibility of my health on others. I see this narrative everywhere and it has never sit well with me. Are we so incapable to take care of ourselves that we must depend on others to do it? I’d never expect someone else to take on that responsibility. I’m not a child lol, I’m adult that cares for my health and take the right measures to nourish it. I would never expect u (general u) to take care of it, I’d expect myself to do it.
I'm not sure I understand what you are saying. The reason behind wearing a mask was to impose the responsibility for public health on everyone. That means the responsibility for your health (and the health of others) in some small measure fell to me (and everyone around) to protect you by wearing a mask.
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Re: Vaccine ‘peer pressure’
Posted by soontobemommyof2
Posted by NervousNell
Posted by Kate
It is absolutely my business if you don’t want to get a vaccine if it means I still have to wear a mask, because you decided not to get vaccinated. Once the vaccine is available to everyone, no one should have to wear a mask, even if they think you can still transmit the virus.
So don't wear a mask. If I chose not to get vaccinated I don't expect you to wear a mask.
But it's still none of your business what I do.
And if you think I would tell you or anyone my vaccine status you're sorely mistaken .
It’s such an unfair ideal to impose the responsibility of my health on others. I see this narrative everywhere and it has never sit well with me. Are we so incapable to take care of ourselves that we must depend on others to do it? I’d never expect someone else to take on that responsibility. I’m not a child lol, I’m adult that cares for my health and take the right measures to nourish it. I would never expect u (general u) to take care of it, I’d expect myself to do it.
If you are speaking about vaccines, I don't necessarily disagree with you. While many people hope enough people will get vaccinated to create herd immunity, at the end of the day the vaccine protects me, and only me. I didn't get it for you (the collective you, not YOU specifically lol)
When it comes to masks- I disagree. Everyone, vaccinated or not, needs to continue to wear a mask unless you are in a small group, in a private setting, with other fully vaccinated people. Not wearing a mask is a public health issue. When everyone wears a mask, transmission drops considerably.
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Re: Vaccine ‘peer pressure’
Posted by Naturalmama
Posted by soontobemommyof2
Posted by NervousNell
Posted by Kate
It is absolutely my business if you don’t want to get a vaccine if it means I still have to wear a mask, because you decided not to get vaccinated. Once the vaccine is available to everyone, no one should have to wear a mask, even if they think you can still transmit the virus.
So don't wear a mask. If I chose not to get vaccinated I don't expect you to wear a mask.
But it's still none of your business what I do.
And if you think I would tell you or anyone my vaccine status you're sorely mistaken .
It’s such an unfair ideal to impose the responsibility of my health on others. I see this narrative everywhere and it has never sit well with me. Are we so incapable to take care of ourselves that we must depend on others to do it? I’d never expect someone else to take on that responsibility. I’m not a child lol, I’m adult that cares for my health and take the right measures to nourish it. I would never expect u (general u) to take care of it, I’d expect myself to do it.
If you are speaking about vaccines, I don't necessarily disagree with you. While many people hope enough people will get vaccinated to create herd immunity, at the end of the day the vaccine protects me, and only me. I didn't get it for you (the collective you, not YOU specifically lol)
When it comes to masks- I disagree. Everyone, vaccinated or not, needs to continue to wear a mask unless you are in a small group, in a private setting, with other fully vaccinated people. Not wearing a mask is a public health issue. When everyone wears a mask, transmission drops considerably.
Agree 100%. If you fail to wear a mask and/or distance, you can literally kill someone. An individual's failure to get vaccinated cannot render someone responsible for someone else's death. It is true that if enough people fail to get vaccinated, we will likely have variants evolve that will force more lockdowns and set back the progress we have made. But that won't be pinnable on a single person. It's not our place to ask people with whom we have no personal relationship with and with whom we are always masked and distancing. It's up to those charged with keeping us safe--the government and employers--to ask what they must and make rules and exceptions.
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Re: Vaccine ‘peer pressure’
I know what you are saying. Between the media push and the constant chatter on social media about it, it feels like its the "in" thing to do.
I think its awesome how many people are getting it but I also understand why some may be leary of it.
As for your work situation, I view this like any other health issue. It's privacy protected. I don't think anyone should have to disclose anything health related to an employer or co-workers. That's JMO.
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