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siffleuse319
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Walmart Spinoff
I've never been a Walmart shopper....or a shopper anywhere for that matter. But, since reading the other post, I'm curious as to where can I find out more info about Walmart's employment policies that many LIFers consider deplorable? Anyone care to share the details?
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LINewbie
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Re: Walmart Spinoff
Wal Mart was a great employer to me. That is all I will say about that.
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| Posted 3/30/09 9:54 PM |
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HeathKernandez
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Re: Walmart Spinoff
here you go
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| Posted 3/30/09 10:10 PM |
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ave1024
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Re: Walmart Spinoff
The same can be said about any company
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| Posted 3/31/09 1:04 AM |
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LightUpOurLife
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Re: Walmart Spinoff
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| Posted 3/31/09 7:13 AM |
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CrankyPants
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Re: Walmart Spinoff
This is sad but true. I don't know a lot about this topic but a quick search seems to show that Target and Walmart have similar workers issues it's just that Walmart employment practices, etc are just more widely known:
Target and Walmart, not so different
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| Posted 3/31/09 10:03 AM |
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Re: Walmart Spinoff
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| Posted 3/31/09 10:03 AM |
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EmmaNick
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Re: Walmart Spinoff
Exactly.
I happen to shop at Walmart and Target. My buck goes a lot further at Walmart, and I'll continue shopping there.
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| Posted 3/31/09 10:42 AM |
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nrthshgrl
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Re: Walmart Spinoff
From an HR perspective, their employment practices are deplorable.
They are known for discriminating based on race, sex, sexual orientation, disabilities. They will fire pro-union workers, refuse to provide emergency contraception in their pharmacies (they are now required to by law) and repeatedly lobby against any raise to the minimum wage (which btw, they have be guilty of paying BELOW minimum wage & have had numerous lawsuits).
The most recent news that pizzed me off is when they held management meetings to encourage their managers how to vote in the last election. They discussed their anti-union rhetoric & how if Obama were to get in office, how his poicies would affect management.
As long as everyone is throwing around links:
National Organization for Women
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/walmart/transform/employment.html
http://www.thenation.com/blogs/notion/94878
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| Posted 3/31/09 11:49 AM |
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mommy2bella
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Re: Walmart Spinoff
Posted by nrthshgrl
From an HR perspective, their employment practices are deplorable.
They are known for discriminating based on race, sex, sexual orientation, disabilities. They will fire pro-union workers, refuse to provide emergency contraception in their pharmacies (they are now required to by law) and repeatedly lobby against any raise to the minimum wage (which btw, they have be guilty of paying BELOW minimum wage & have had numerous lawsuits).
The most recent news that pizzed me off is when they held management meetings to encourage their managers how to vote in the last election. They discussed their anti-union rhetoric & how if Obama were to get in office, how his poicies would affect management.
As long as everyone is throwing around links:
National Organization for Women
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/walmart/transform/employment.html
http://www.thenation.com/blogs/notion/94878
Thank you Barb...I was just about to post the same type of response, but again you said it so much better than I could have.
Plus, Walmart creates a monopoly in many small towns across the country... coming in and choking out all mom and pop stores by undercutting many price points. In many areas of the country outside of metro areas, Walmart truly is THE ONLY game in town for jobs and for shopping.
It's hard to for us to see it here when Target is down the block and we have many choices of where to get our goods.
Also, many lower paying jobs DO have the same MO, but Walmart has and continues to practice HORRIBLE violations of worker rights to help the bottom line...
Message edited 3/31/2009 12:15:50 PM.
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| Posted 3/31/09 12:14 PM |
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Diane
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Re: Walmart Spinoff
Posted by EmmaNick
Exactly.
I happen to shop at Walmart and Target. My buck goes a lot further at Walmart, and I'll continue shopping there.
same here
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| Posted 3/31/09 12:51 PM |
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CouponKT
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Re: Walmart Spinoff
I read one of the links and the first thing that popped into my head was... but these people have a CHOICE whether to work there or not!
If Wal-Mart is offering a minimum wage job and people are lining up to take it... WHY would they need to or want to offer more?
If nobody took the minimum wage job, they would have to pay more. T
The people CHOOSE to work for that $$ (or go someplace else)
No...??
ETA: grammatical
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| Posted 3/31/09 1:09 PM |
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MissingLI
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Re: Walmart Spinoff
Posted by BabyCote2006
I read one of the links and the first thing that popped into my head was... but these people have a CHOICE whether to work there or not!
If Wal-Mart is offering a minimum wage job and people are lining up to take it... WHY would they need to or want to offer more?
If nobody took the minimum wage job, they would have to pay more. T
The people CHOOSE to work for that $$ (or go someplace else)
No...??
ETA: grammatical
I think the exact same thing. I have a neighbor that works for them, never has a single complaint.
I shop at Walmart. I save a lot of money shopping at Walmart. I have 3 other grocery stores within a 2 mile radius of me and they are so much more expensive. I'm on a pretty tight budget, I'm going to shop where I need to shop to help my household.
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| Posted 3/31/09 1:13 PM |
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Ophelia
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Re: Walmart Spinoff
everything everyone else said, and to me, their business practices leave much to be desired.
any company that has the power to force another company to create a product AT A LOSS or they will pull ALL of the companies products off their shelves is shady.
I don't like anyone having that power.
Walmart reminds me of "The Blob" it lands in an area and destroys all local business until it's the last man standing.
my brother lives in a town like this. Walmart is LIFE there. it freaks me out. 
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| Posted 3/31/09 1:16 PM |
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Kara
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Re: Walmart Spinoff
Posted by Ophelia
any company that has the power to force another company to create a product AT A LOSS or they will pull ALL of the companies products off their shelves is shady.
This happens all the time in many different industries. There are a lot of manufacturers who sell products to certain companies at a loss b/c their overall portfolio is profitable. For example, this happens every day in the pharmaceutical industry. It's really not that shady - business are in the business of making profit. that includes Wal-mart AND the manufacturers from which Wal-mart purchases goods.
I don't doubt there are some serious concerns about Wal-mart's employment practices, but not everything they do is some unique evil they dreamed up.
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| Posted 3/31/09 1:28 PM |
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Ophelia
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Posted by Kara
Posted by Ophelia
any company that has the power to force another company to create a product AT A LOSS or they will pull ALL of the companies products off their shelves is shady.
This happens all the time in many different industries. There are a lot of manufacturers who sell products to certain companies at a loss b/c their overall portfolio is profitable. For example, this happens every day in the pharmaceutical industry. It's really not that shady - business are in the business of making profit. that includes Wal-mart AND the manufacturers from which Wal-mart purchases goods.
I don't doubt there are some serious concerns about Wal-mart's employment practices, but not everything they do is some unique evil they dreamed up.
I am aware...Toys R US was big on doing this before they went down hill.
there is a difference though, between making a mutually agreeable deal within the entities, versus threaten the virtual ruin of another company.
anyway, that's how i see it from my high horse 
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| Posted 3/31/09 1:31 PM |
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melbalalala
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Re: Walmart Spinoff
Posted by BabyCote2006
I read one of the links and the first thing that popped into my head was... but these people have a CHOICE whether to work there or not!
If Wal-Mart is offering a minimum wage job and people are lining up to take it... WHY would they need to or want to offer more?
If nobody took the minimum wage job, they would have to pay more. T
The people CHOOSE to work for that $$ (or go someplace else)
No...??
ETA: grammatical
You are totally spot on and just dished out a basic lesson in Labor Economics. Wages are based on worker demand for jobs. If no one wanted to work there (because it was so deplorable), Wal-mart would have to pay more and offer better conditions. This doesn't happen so it is what it is.
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| Posted 3/31/09 1:38 PM |
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CrankyPants
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Re: Walmart Spinoff
Posted by melbalalala
Posted by BabyCote2006
I read one of the links and the first thing that popped into my head was... but these people have a CHOICE whether to work there or not!
If Wal-Mart is offering a minimum wage job and people are lining up to take it... WHY would they need to or want to offer more?
If nobody took the minimum wage job, they would have to pay more. T
The people CHOOSE to work for that $$ (or go someplace else)
No...??
ETA: grammatical
You are totally spot on and just dished out a basic lesson in Labor Economics. Wages are based on worker demand for jobs. If no one wanted to work there (because it was so deplorable), Wal-mart would have to pay more and offer better conditions. This doesn't happen so it is what it is.
I see what you are saying, but though that may be a fundamental law of economics, it isn't quite that simple and doesn't take into account the human factor. In some areas there is not much choice for jobs. Many people need a $7 per hour job at Walmart as opposed to no job at all and I don't think it means the employment practices are acceptable. Rather, it's job or no job and people who need to feed a family will put up with a lot to do so, it doesn't make it right that they have to.
As a side note, I don't think that Target is much better, it's just that Walmart's issues are more widely known. Shopping at Target vs. Walmart isn't really doing a whole lot for any of the issues discussed in this thread.
Message edited 3/31/2009 2:10:17 PM.
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| Posted 3/31/09 2:09 PM |
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MarathonKnitter
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Re: Walmart Spinoff
to the point of walmart being the only game in town:
for a short amount of time, i lived in a small town in CO. walmart was everything. it was a superwalmart. they had everything from lettuce to shotguns. yes, the prices were low.
so, yes, there are people lining up for jobs at walmart. but these people have been forced out of their previous jobs by walmart.
on a side note: the VERY PERSONAL/SELFISH reason why i don't shop at walmart is that the walmarts that are close to work and home have given me the worst customer service i have ever experienced. when the cashier yells at you because of a mistake SHE made... it's time to shop somewhere else.
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| Posted 3/31/09 2:23 PM |
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melbalalala
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Re: Walmart Spinoff
Posted by CrankyPants
I see what you are saying, but though that may be a fundamental law of economics, it isn't quite that simple and doesn't take into account the human factor. In some areas there is not much choice for jobs. Many people need a $7 per hour job at Walmart as opposed to no job at all and I don't think it means the employment practices are acceptable. Rather, it's job or no job and people who need to feed a family will put up with a lot to do so, it doesn't make it right that they have to.
As a side note, I don't think that Target is much better, it's just that Walmart's issues are more widely known. Shopping at Target vs. Walmart isn't really doing a whole lot for any of the issues discussed in this thread.
Listen CrankyPants....  If that is the case, why don't they move somewhere that has better paying jobs?
I don't mean to come off as heartless, but it is in a person's best interest to get a job that gives them the highest wages/best conditions possible. If that means moving their family, then that's what they have to do. If they choose to stay where they are and take a job that they loathe and get paid $7/hour for, that's the tradeoff that they made.
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LightUpOurLife
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Re: Walmart Spinoff
Posted by melbalalala
Listen CrankyPants.... If that is the case, why don't they move somewhere that has better paying jobs?
I don't mean to come off as heartless, but it is in a person's best interest to get a job that gives them the highest wages/best conditions possible. If that means moving their family, then that's what they have to do. If they choose to stay where they are and take a job that they loathe and get paid $7/hour for, that's the tradeoff that they made.
I'm on your side with saying Walmart suck$, but not everyone can afford to pack up and move their family to a better neck of the woods. Some are stuck in the situation they are in.
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| Posted 3/31/09 2:41 PM |
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Ophelia
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Posted by melbalalala
Posted by CrankyPants
I see what you are saying, but though that may be a fundamental law of economics, it isn't quite that simple and doesn't take into account the human factor. In some areas there is not much choice for jobs. Many people need a $7 per hour job at Walmart as opposed to no job at all and I don't think it means the employment practices are acceptable. Rather, it's job or no job and people who need to feed a family will put up with a lot to do so, it doesn't make it right that they have to.
As a side note, I don't think that Target is much better, it's just that Walmart's issues are more widely known. Shopping at Target vs. Walmart isn't really doing a whole lot for any of the issues discussed in this thread.
Listen CrankyPants.... If that is the case, why don't they move somewhere that has better paying jobs?
I don't mean to come off as heartless, but it is in a person's best interest to get a job that gives them the highest wages/best conditions possible. If that means moving their family, then that's what they have to do. If they choose to stay where they are and take a job that they loathe and get paid $7/hour for, that's the tradeoff that they made.
the problem is, they are everywhere!
for the most part, we are talking about blue collar workers, and people on fixed incomes trying to get ahead.
to me, it doesn't matter if it fits a formula, or ON PAPER, there are remedies.
what's on paper doesn't always translate. the sheer expense of moving your family makes it prohibitive.
and it shouldn't be that way. it's pure greed. on the part of the corporation and the consumer. trying to make and save those dimes, no matter who is on the bottom living on pennies in the ****.
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Re: Walmart Spinoff
Posted by melbalalala
Posted by CrankyPants
I see what you are saying, but though that may be a fundamental law of economics, it isn't quite that simple and doesn't take into account the human factor. In some areas there is not much choice for jobs. Many people need a $7 per hour job at Walmart as opposed to no job at all and I don't think it means the employment practices are acceptable. Rather, it's job or no job and people who need to feed a family will put up with a lot to do so, it doesn't make it right that they have to.
As a side note, I don't think that Target is much better, it's just that Walmart's issues are more widely known. Shopping at Target vs. Walmart isn't really doing a whole lot for any of the issues discussed in this thread.
Listen CrankyPants.... If that is the case, why don't they move somewhere that has better paying jobs?
I don't mean to come off as heartless, but it is in a person's best interest to get a job that gives them the highest wages/best conditions possible. If that means moving their family, then that's what they have to do. If they choose to stay where they are and take a job that they loathe and get paid $7/hour for, that's the tradeoff that they made.
You're ignoring the reality of the working poor. Yes, it is in a person's best interest to get a job that gives them the best wages/best conditions possible. However, picking up and moving isn't an option for the vast majority of workers that take a job they loathe for $7 an hour. Those people don't have savings accounts - heck most of them don't even have bank accounts. Nor do they have the education to get a higher paying job, or the wherewithal to do research on other parts of the country that might have lower cost of living and better paying jobs for unskilled workers.
Think about what it takes to move. First, you have to find a place to live. Then again, maybe you have to have a job first. Either way, if you're moving out of state, or even just going from Long Island to an upstate county, it costs $$$ to hire a real estate agent, take time off from work, and get to the "new" location to even look at potential residences. If you're looking out of state, the costs of travel, food and lodging are prohibitive for someone earning $7 per hour. If you have a job already lined up that's great, but if you don't, how much time can you afford away from the lousy $7 an hour job to find a new one, in a new place, without somewhere to call home? And don't forget about security deposits, broker fees etc.
That is the reality of the working poor. They can't just find a better paying job.
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PreshusSmurf
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Re: Walmart Spinoff
I'm not denying that Walmart is evil ...
but that unregulated capitalism helps our broke a$$es go on buying Honey Nut Cheerios for $1.89 a box, thank you very much.
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ave1024
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Re: Walmart Spinoff
Posted by Ophelia
the problem is, they are everywhere!
We live in a capitalistic society. They are everywhere because they have a sound business model.
If their business model wasn't so sound, their aggressive expansion would see a downturn and they would be forced to close some shops (see Starbucks).
WalMart provides a TON of jobs to people. I also see a lot of disabled and elderly people working at WalMart. I think that's fantastic.
Now me personally, I am not a fan of shopping AT WalMart because of the animals that seem to shop there (ex: Valley Stream BF). I hate going in that store. But they do have good prices on stuff and I have no issues with the company themselves.
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