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Daveswife
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Re: Illegal immigration debate
If it were so easy, there would not be illegal immigrants. They are not lazy to fill out paperwork!
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Re: Illegal immigration debate
Posted by marymoon
Posted by SweetestOfPeas
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Posted by Beth1210
the sad thing is I don't think there is an answer- it goes in a circle
as long as there as such great differences in the way people live around the world- people are always going to try to find a better life
and it's easier for a Mexican to try to make it over the boarder then some one from another country to sneak in by plane
plenty of people come over under visas and stay for years- but they are less visable
I agree with you and I agree that there is no good answer. My mom came here from Italy legally when she was 12 - my grandfather had come 7 years before legally and it took that long for him to be able to "call" for his wife and children. I was talking about this issue with my mom the other day, and she felt very strongly that illegal immigration should be curbed and agreed with me that those here should not be demonized. Usually, they are desperate people looking for a better life. If you really stop and think about it, it is very sad the lengths that people go to try to make a better life -- imagine how bad their lives at home must be.
I am not saying they don't have a hard life. a lot of people do all over the world. it's not our reponsibility to take them all in when we have severe issues of our own.
But we're a njation of immigrants. most of us wouldn't be here, if our parents and grandparents hadn't been "taken in"
I assume many of our grandparents, etc came through Ellis Island. IMO, there's a big difference between legally coming here and sneaking over the border.
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SweetestOfPeas
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Re: Illegal immigration debate
Posted by marymoon
Posted by SweetestOfPeas
Posted by DMcK
Posted by Beth1210
the sad thing is I don't think there is an answer- it goes in a circle
as long as there as such great differences in the way people live around the world- people are always going to try to find a better life
and it's easier for a Mexican to try to make it over the boarder then some one from another country to sneak in by plane
plenty of people come over under visas and stay for years- but they are less visable
I agree with you and I agree that there is no good answer. My mom came here from Italy legally when she was 12 - my grandfather had come 7 years before legally and it took that long for him to be able to "call" for his wife and children. I was talking about this issue with my mom the other day, and she felt very strongly that illegal immigration should be curbed and agreed with me that those here should not be demonized. Usually, they are desperate people looking for a better life. If you really stop and think about it, it is very sad the lengths that people go to try to make a better life -- imagine how bad their lives at home must be.
I am not saying they don't have a hard life. a lot of people do all over the world. it's not our reponsibility to take them all in when we have severe issues of our own.
But we're a njation of immigrants. most of us wouldn't be here, if our parents and grandparents hadn't been "taken in"
my grandparents escaped from Nazi Germany and came her legally.
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Re: Illegal immigration debate
Posted by DMcK
Posted by SweetestOfPeas
Posted by DMcK
Posted by Beth1210
the sad thing is I don't think there is an answer- it goes in a circle
as long as there as such great differences in the way people live around the world- people are always going to try to find a better life
and it's easier for a Mexican to try to make it over the boarder then some one from another country to sneak in by plane
plenty of people come over under visas and stay for years- but they are less visable
I agree with you and I agree that there is no good answer. My mom came here from Italy legally when she was 12 - my grandfather had come 7 years before legally and it took that long for him to be able to "call" for his wife and children. I was talking about this issue with my mom the other day, and she felt very strongly that illegal immigration should be curbed and agreed with me that those here should not be demonized. Usually, they are desperate people looking for a better life. If you really stop and think about it, it is very sad the lengths that people go to try to make a better life -- imagine how bad their lives at home must be.
I am not saying they don't have a hard life. a lot of people do all over the world. it's not our reponsibility to take them all in when we have severe issues of our own.
I never said it was our responsibility to "take them all in." I just think sometime it is nice to view human issues in a sympathetic light and attempt to see where all parties involved or coming from. "I have my own problems too" is just not an attitude I choose to hold.
Of course the US has her problems but we remain a wonderful country with incredible opportunity. That dream of opportunity is what has made us this country we are. We could not be and would not be the country we are without immigration. Granted, illegal immigration is a problem, I just happen to feel that it is not as huge a problem as is being portrayed in the media. Yes, some taxes are not paid because there are illegals here but taxes are not paid illegally by millions of Americans, which is the same problem, but no one is up in arms about that.
No one is going to change anyone's mind on this issue, of course, just throwing my 2 cents in.
It may not seem like a huge problem since we are not face with it every day. I have a very good friend who is a school teacher in southern california where more than half of her class consists of children of illegal immigrants. The major influx of these children is causing a strain on their schools.
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Daveswife
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Re: Illegal immigration debate
Posted by SweetestOfPeas
Posted by marymoon
Posted by SweetestOfPeas
Posted by DMcK
Posted by Beth1210
the sad thing is I don't think there is an answer- it goes in a circle
as long as there as such great differences in the way people live around the world- people are always going to try to find a better life
and it's easier for a Mexican to try to make it over the boarder then some one from another country to sneak in by plane
plenty of people come over under visas and stay for years- but they are less visable
I agree with you and I agree that there is no good answer. My mom came here from Italy legally when she was 12 - my grandfather had come 7 years before legally and it took that long for him to be able to "call" for his wife and children. I was talking about this issue with my mom the other day, and she felt very strongly that illegal immigration should be curbed and agreed with me that those here should not be demonized. Usually, they are desperate people looking for a better life. If you really stop and think about it, it is very sad the lengths that people go to try to make a better life -- imagine how bad their lives at home must be.
I am not saying they don't have a hard life. a lot of people do all over the world. it's not our reponsibility to take them all in when we have severe issues of our own.
But we're a njation of immigrants. most of us wouldn't be here, if our parents and grandparents hadn't been "taken in"
my grandparents escaped from Nazi Germany and came her legally.
And they came here in search of a better life, am i right? They were lucky enough to come legally, but i'm sure if they couldn't come legally, and found alternative ways, they would of taken the chance.
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JenniferEver
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Re: Illegal immigration debate
Posted by Daveswife
If it were so easy, there would not be illegal immigrants. They are not lazy to fill out paperwork!
That's what I'm saying. Does anyone have a good article about WHY there are so many illegal immigrants rather than people doing it the legal way?
I really don't think it's b/c it's such an accessible and fait system, and they just can't be bothered.
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MrsS2005
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Re: Illegal immigration debate
Posted by Daveswife
Posted by marymoon
Posted by SweetestOfPeas
Posted by DMcK
Posted by Beth1210
the sad thing is I don't think there is an answer- it goes in a circle
as long as there as such great differences in the way people live around the world- people are always going to try to find a better life
and it's easier for a Mexican to try to make it over the boarder then some one from another country to sneak in by plane
plenty of people come over under visas and stay for years- but they are less visable
I agree with you and I agree that there is no good answer. My mom came here from Italy legally when she was 12 - my grandfather had come 7 years before legally and it took that long for him to be able to "call" for his wife and children. I was talking about this issue with my mom the other day, and she felt very strongly that illegal immigration should be curbed and agreed with me that those here should not be demonized. Usually, they are desperate people looking for a better life. If you really stop and think about it, it is very sad the lengths that people go to try to make a better life -- imagine how bad their lives at home must be.
I am not saying they don't have a hard life. a lot of people do all over the world. it's not our reponsibility to take them all in when we have severe issues of our own.
But we're a njation of immigrants. most of us wouldn't be here, if our parents and grandparents hadn't been "taken in"
We were all taken at some point. And again, not all immigrants are looking for handouts. They come to work.
I don't think anyone is disputing that the illegal immigrants are coming to work and want to be here for a better life. The problem is that when they come here illegally, they get the benefits of working and living here (i.e. education and healthcare) without paying into the system that provides these benefits.
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JenniferEver
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Re: Illegal immigration debate
Posted by Daveswife
Posted by SweetestOfPeas
Posted by marymoon
Posted by SweetestOfPeas
Posted by DMcK
Posted by Beth1210
the sad thing is I don't think there is an answer- it goes in a circle
as long as there as such great differences in the way people live around the world- people are always going to try to find a better life
and it's easier for a Mexican to try to make it over the boarder then some one from another country to sneak in by plane
plenty of people come over under visas and stay for years- but they are less visable
I agree with you and I agree that there is no good answer. My mom came here from Italy legally when she was 12 - my grandfather had come 7 years before legally and it took that long for him to be able to "call" for his wife and children. I was talking about this issue with my mom the other day, and she felt very strongly that illegal immigration should be curbed and agreed with me that those here should not be demonized. Usually, they are desperate people looking for a better life. If you really stop and think about it, it is very sad the lengths that people go to try to make a better life -- imagine how bad their lives at home must be.
I am not saying they don't have a hard life. a lot of people do all over the world. it's not our reponsibility to take them all in when we have severe issues of our own.
But we're a njation of immigrants. most of us wouldn't be here, if our parents and grandparents hadn't been "taken in"
my grandparents escaped from Nazi Germany and came her legally.
And they came here in search of a better life, am i right? They were lucky enough to come legally, but i'm sure if they couldn't come legally, and found alternative ways, they would of taken the chance.
My grandfather came here illegally. I'm not sure what the circumstance was, but he came here and worked his butt off to support his family.
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Tumbalina
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Re: Illegal immigration debate
Posted by MrsFresca
I personally believe that many of these immigrants need to be deported. I think it sends the wrong message to all these third poor world countries that it's OK to come illegally because eventually some kind of amnesty will be put through and they will be made legal to stay in this country. But looking at this issue, it will take billions to send all these people back to their countries. I also feel that they should be sent back because there are millions of people that want to come to the US and they will wait for their turn and do so it legally.
Any way you slice it, they are criminals.
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SweetestOfPeas
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Re: Illegal immigration debate
Posted by Daveswife
And they came here in search of a better life, am i right? They were lucky enough to come legally, but i'm sure if they couldn't come legally, and found alternative ways, they would of taken the chance.
 do you know anything about Nazi Germany? how can you even compare that to any other situation?
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Shanti
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Re: Illegal immigration debate
Posted by SweetestOfPeas
Posted by Daveswife
And they came here in search of a better life, am i right? They were lucky enough to come legally, but i'm sure if they couldn't come legally, and found alternative ways, they would of taken the chance.
do you know anything about Nazi Germany? how can you even compare that to any other situation?
Off topic, it is sad though that because the US did not change quota laws during that time, many desperate immigrants were turned away and died at the hands of the Nazis. There were boatloads of people turned away in NY and forced back, and they just wanted to escape from those horrors We did not learn the lesson and did the same to people in Rwands
Unfortunately, genocide exists today, and many people are trapped and cannot get here legally. You need to look no further than the Sudan and Rwanda. And, yes, there are illegals here from those countries.
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JenniferEver
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Re: Illegal immigration debate
Posted by SweetestOfPeas
Posted by Daveswife
And they came here in search of a better life, am i right? They were lucky enough to come legally, but i'm sure if they couldn't come legally, and found alternative ways, they would of taken the chance.
do you know anything about Nazi Germany? how can you even compare that to any other situation?
Unfortunately, there are a lot of circumstances in this world that mirror the horrors of nazi germany.
I think she was just sayin that no one would have faulted your gradnaprents if they had had to come here ILlegally to escape nazi germany. There weren't trying to steal anything from anyone or commit any crime, they wanted to escape a desperate situation
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Re: Illegal immigration debate
Posted by Ambersmom
There has to be a checks and balance system to what is going on. Undocumented immigrants can be transporters of disease, drugs and in extreme cases like 9/11, have intentions that are not in the best interest of the country. Elis Island used to be the main hub of immigration into this country back in the day. It's unfortunate that we don't have a similiar process in place these days, where everyone goes through a physical/background screening process.
I know as a taxpayer, I am not comfortable with the escalating double digit increases due to higher enrollments in my district. The overcrowding of homes also concerns me when there are 20+ men sleeping wherever they can in a two bedroom dwelling blocks from me. There's no simple solution.
I agree- I would not be surprised at all if there were some people who have bad intentions against our country, who now think they have a green light to get in and stay and do whatever damage they want (in terms of terrorism). The 9/11 hijackers were legal; does that mean that future terrorists will be too?
The idea that some of these people who are here illegally have criminal records should be a concern; there is no way to track them. I know parents in my town are very concerned about the proximity of the school to where the day laborers hang out. There have been a few incidents and if I had kids I'd be very worried, regardless of where the people came from.
And I don't think that there is anything wrong with someone who paid through the nose for a house (and the taxes too) to not want 20 random people living in the house next door. That is also a concern for many people who live in my town.
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SweetestOfPeas
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Re: Illegal immigration debate
Posted by DMcK
Posted by SweetestOfPeas
Posted by Daveswife
And they came here in search of a better life, am i right? They were lucky enough to come legally, but i'm sure if they couldn't come legally, and found alternative ways, they would of taken the chance.
do you know anything about Nazi Germany? how can you even compare that to any other situation?
Off topic, it is sad though that because the US did not change quota laws during that time, many desperate immigrants were turned away and died at the hands of the Nazis. There were boatloads of people turned away in NY and forced back, and they just wanted to escape from those horrors We did not learn the lesson and did the same to people in Rwands
Unfortunately, genocide exists today, and many people are trapped and cannot get here legally. You need to look no further than the Sudan and Rwanda. And, yes, there are illegals here from those countries.
Asylum is granted to those escaping from those situations!
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Re: Illegal immigration debate
I really don't want to get embroilled in this debate and I am involved in an organization that strongly opposes the legislation, but I want to remain impartial. I am personally fortunate enough to be in the US legally, but I know many who are not.
All I will say is that there was a time when our parents or grandparents could come into the US a lot easier than it is now. There were changes in the 60's that made it more difficult to immigrate into the US.
Is it not true that the only real Americans are the native American Indians? And now they are treated like refugess too. I do feel that many of the immigrants, regardless of where they are from, have been instrumental in making this country as great as it is.
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Daveswife
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Re: Illegal immigration debate
Posted by SweetestOfPeas
Posted by Daveswife
And they came here in search of a better life, am i right? They were lucky enough to come legally, but i'm sure if they couldn't come legally, and found alternative ways, they would of taken the chance.
do you know anything about Nazi Germany? how can you even compare that to any other situation?
As a matter of fact yes i do, and believe it or not there are similar things hapenning today.
So yes i can compare. There are countries where they kill people by the hundreds every day!
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Shanti
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Re: Illegal immigration debate
Posted by SweetestOfPeas
Posted by DMcK
Posted by SweetestOfPeas
Posted by Daveswife
And they came here in search of a better life, am i right? They were lucky enough to come legally, but i'm sure if they couldn't come legally, and found alternative ways, they would of taken the chance.
do you know anything about Nazi Germany? how can you even compare that to any other situation?
Off topic, it is sad though that because the US did not change quota laws during that time, many desperate immigrants were turned away and died at the hands of the Nazis. There were boatloads of people turned away in NY and forced back, and they just wanted to escape from those horrors We did not learn the lesson and did the same to people in Rwands
Unfortunately, genocide exists today, and many people are trapped and cannot get here legally. You need to look no further than the Sudan and Rwanda. And, yes, there are illegals here from those countries.
Asylum is granted to those escaping from those situations!
Not as easy as you think. Look into it, esp Rwanda and Sudan, and look into what happened with immigration quotas during WWII. You will be shocked.
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Re: Illegal immigration debate
Posted by SweetestOfPeas
Posted by DMcK
Posted by SweetestOfPeas
Posted by Daveswife
And they came here in search of a better life, am i right? They were lucky enough to come legally, but i'm sure if they couldn't come legally, and found alternative ways, they would of taken the chance.
do you know anything about Nazi Germany? how can you even compare that to any other situation?
Off topic, it is sad though that because the US did not change quota laws during that time, many desperate immigrants were turned away and died at the hands of the Nazis. There were boatloads of people turned away in NY and forced back, and they just wanted to escape from those horrors We did not learn the lesson and did the same to people in Rwands
Unfortunately, genocide exists today, and many people are trapped and cannot get here legally. You need to look no further than the Sudan and Rwanda. And, yes, there are illegals here from those countries.
Asylum is granted to those escaping from those situations!
Asylum isn't always granted. But my question, why does the US have to be the country to open it's doors? Canada doesn't, Mexico doesn't, - why is it the US' responsibility to accept everyone?
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Daveswife
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Re: Illegal immigration debate
There are many immigrants living all over the world. There are some in Canada, France, England etc....
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Shanti
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Re: Illegal immigration debate
Posted by ODonnell
I really don't want to get embroilled in this debate and I am involved in an organization that strongly opposes the legislation, but I want to remain impartial. I am personally fortunate enough to be in the US legally, but I know many who are not.
All I will say is that there was a time when our parents or grandparents could come into the US a lot easier than it is now. There were changes in the 60's that made it more difficult to immigrate into the US.
Is it not true that the only real Americans are the native American Indians? And now they are treated like refugess too. I do feel that many of the immigrants, regardless of where they are from, have been instrumental in making this country as great as it is.
Very well said
I think there is nothing more to say after that, that was perfect!
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Re: Illegal immigration debate
Posted by SweetestOfPeas
Posted by Daveswife
And they came here in search of a better life, am i right? They were lucky enough to come legally, but i'm sure if they couldn't come legally, and found alternative ways, they would of taken the chance.
do you know anything about Nazi Germany? how can you even compare that to any other situation?
In the early 1990's there were mass killings & concentration camps just like in the times of Nazi Germany, the country is called Bosnia.
Also counless countries in Africa, Rwanda being one of them.
If I remember history correctly and if my grandmother's stories of the horrors she witnessed as a child are correct,then almost all of Europe lived in terror during the Nazi reign. Concentration camps were set-up by the Nazi's in other countries,not just Germany.
Many immigrants escaped at that time, I'm also confident they would do it by any means possible. Legal or Not.
I agree America has a problem but its such a domino effect,where to begin?
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Re: Illegal immigration debate
Posted by SweetestOfPeas
Posted by DMcK
Posted by SweetestOfPeas
Posted by Daveswife
Asylum is granted to those escaping from those situations!
Asylum is not easily granted, even in those kinds of situations.
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dm24angel
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Re: Illegal immigration debate
Posted by SweetestOfPeas
Posted by DMcK
Posted by SweetestOfPeas
Posted by Daveswife
And they came here in search of a better life, am i right? They were lucky enough to come legally, but i'm sure if they couldn't come legally, and found alternative ways, they would of taken the chance.
do you know anything about Nazi Germany? how can you even compare that to any other situation?
Off topic, it is sad though that because the US did not change quota laws during that time, many desperate immigrants were turned away and died at the hands of the Nazis. There were boatloads of people turned away in NY and forced back, and they just wanted to escape from those horrors We did not learn the lesson and did the same to people in Rwands
Unfortunately, genocide exists today, and many people are trapped and cannot get here legally. You need to look no further than the Sudan and Rwanda. And, yes, there are illegals here from those countries.
Asylum is granted to those escaping from those situations!
sorry I have to disagree. I have studied India in great depth..In certain villages a women is forced to kill her girl children. Only boys are allowed. There are many women who cannot do this and they are immediately disowned from the family with their girl chidlren and forced to live on the streets.
Their are hundreds of them currently trying to immigrate to the US and are not able to because of redtape.
The killing of the children there has been referred to in comparision to Nazi Germany by many scholars and reporters and yet they CANNOT get asylum in hardly ANY countries in this world.
THESE are the things you have to think about when discussing this topic.
you cannot be narrow minded and think simply...keep them out, serve us first... At least not if you want to truly be an ethical unselfish human being....IMO
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Re: Illegal immigration debate
Posted by ODonnell
Is it not true that the only real Americans are the native American Indians? And now they are treated like refugess too.
This is true and so sad!
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MsG
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Re: Illegal immigration debate
Can someone explain why we wouldn't want to grant asylum? I mean, they are already here, so what is so wrong with making it legal?
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