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Re: What would you do if anything....
Posted by PhyllisNJoe
I really think it all balances out in the end. My block alone there are 3 families, including us, that do not have children. Never did. So all 3 of these homes have been paying school tax for children we don't have. If 3 kids from another district use their grandparents, aunts, whoever adress to go to our schools, it would balance out in the end. $$$ wise at least.
If it's an issue of severe overcrowding in the classroom, then that's a different story.
I'm kind of surprised this is your response. Not saying that in a bad way :) but you're pretty fair on issues and less about gray areas.
Isn't it a bit aggravating though for some people to have worked hard and pay a lot in taxes and do things the right way and then have someone come along and ride their coat tails so to speak? Homes, taxes, rent etc is more in "better" or more desirable districts and people (like me) save and work hard to make it.
And then someone nearby is paying a lot less to live where they are and then sneaking in and benefiting from what you're working hard for. I don't think it's really fair at all.
If someone wants to go to the district that they choose, they should downsize or change their living situation and move in the right way. I would never ever ever try to lie and try to scam the system. It's fraud.
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Re: What would you do if anything....
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Posted by PhyllisNJoe
I really think it all balances out in the end. My block alone there are 3 families, including us, that do not have children. Never did. So all 3 of these homes have been paying school tax for children we don't have. If 3 kids from another district use their grandparents, aunts, whoever adress to go to our schools, it would balance out in the end. $$$ wise at least.
If it's an issue of severe overcrowding in the classroom, then that's a different story.
I'm kind of surprised this is your response. Not saying that in a bad way :) but you're pretty fair on issues and less about gray areas.
Isn't it a bit aggravating though for some people to have worked hard and pay a lot in taxes and do things the right way and then have someone come along and ride their coat tails so to speak? Homes, taxes, rent etc is more in "better" or more desirable districts and people (like me) save and work hard to make it.
And then someone nearby is paying a lot less to live where they are and then sneaking in and benefiting from what you're working hard for. I don't think it's really fair at all.
If someone wants to go to the district that they choose, they should downsize or change their living situation and move in the right way. I would never ever ever try to lie and try to scam the system. It's fraud.
Things aren't always so black and white. And my opinion is based on that. I grew up poor but in nice neighborhood. Tho my zoned school was one of the worst schools in Brooklyn. Rapes, beatings, patty wagons outside daily, etc. my mother would have done anything to get me to a better school, including another address if she could. But she couldn't.
I don't look at it as people choosing to have a bigger house in a less desirable school district and cheat the system all while chuckling like a villain. Are there some that may? Probably. But for those who legitametly cannot afford to live in the better zone but have family who does and can get their kids a better education? I don't mind it. Especially coming from someone who pays out the nose for my towns schools taxes that I do not use a dime of. I just see it as helping to educate kids - giving them the best opportunity we can as a community. I'm all for it.
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| Posted 1/11/17 6:48 PM |
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Re: What would you do if anything....
Posted by haveaquestion
Posted by PhyllisNJoe
I really think it all balances out in the end. My block alone there are 3 families, including us, that do not have children. Never did. So all 3 of these homes have been paying school tax for children we don't have. If 3 kids from another district use their grandparents, aunts, whoever adress to go to our schools, it would balance out in the end. $$$ wise at least.
If it's an issue of severe overcrowding in the classroom, then that's a different story.
It doesn't balance out. If the three homes without kids now each had one kid everyone's taxes would go up to pay the 60k it costs to educate those three kids. Taxes are based on school enrollment, not on the assumption there is one kid in every house. I don't mind if my taxes go up to pay for kids who live in the district but I don't want to pay for people who don't like their district.
These specific 3 homes cannot have children and will not have children ever. So yes. It can help balance it out. I'm not jumping up and down irate about paying for a school that your children will benefit from. It's part of enriching the community and children in general.
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| Posted 1/11/17 6:50 PM |
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Re: What would you do if anything....
Posted by haveaquestion
It doesn't balance out. If the three homes without kids now each had one kid everyone's taxes would go up to pay the 60k it costs to educate those three kids. Taxes are based on school enrollment, not on the assumption there is one kid in every house. I don't mind if my taxes go up to pay for kids who live in the district but I don't want to pay for people who don't like their district.
I think school taxes are assessed as per the value of your home. My sister and I live in the same district and her school tax portion is almost double mine. This has little to do with enrollment since we are in the same district. Her house and property are bigger and her assessed value is about $50-75K more than mine.
So I don't think it's a per kid cost going to all houses, equally.
To the OP, I am in the MYOB camp on this.
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Re: What would you do if anything....
Posted by BaseballWidow
Posted by haveaquestion
It doesn't balance out. If the three homes without kids now each had one kid everyone's taxes would go up to pay the 60k it costs to educate those three kids. Taxes are based on school enrollment, not on the assumption there is one kid in every house. I don't mind if my taxes go up to pay for kids who live in the district but I don't want to pay for people who don't like their district.
I think school taxes are assessed as per the value of your home. My sister and I live in the same district and her school tax portion is almost double mine. This has little to do with enrollment since we are in the same district. Her house and property are bigger and her assessed value is about $50-75K more than mine.
So I don't think it's a per kid cost going to all houses, equally.
To the OP, I am in the MYOB camp on this.
No, you missed the point. If three more students are enrolled everyone's taxes marginally go up. So it does affect everyone. They split it based on your house value but of course it has to do with enrollment. If no one was enrolled in your district your taxes would be zero.
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| Posted 1/11/17 10:59 PM |
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Re: What would you do if anything....
I go back to my original point, I am shocked at how many people think that this is okay! It is stealing on a major scale. Not just a dollar or two! It is thousands upon thousands of dollars a year. How can you possibly justify that and what are you teaching your children if you can justify that? It's wrong! Stealing, Lying, cheating. Disgusting.
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Re: What would you do if anything....
Posted by lululu
I go back to my original point, I am shocked at how many people think that this is okay! It is stealing on a major scale. Not just a dollar or two! It is thousands upon thousands of dollars a year. How can you possibly justify that and what are you teaching your children if you can justify that? It's wrong! Stealing, Lying, cheating. Disgusting.
I would report them.
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Re: What would you do if anything....
I look at this a different way. And I get that it doesn't really work out this way practically speaking. But every child in our country should be getting the best educational opportunities possible, and not just the rich, but the poor too. In truth my public school on Long Island should provide the same education that a public school in the Bronx should. There should be no difference, so it shouldn't matter. The idea that my wealth or lack thereof should dictate what kind of education my child gets does not jive with the idea of public school.
The only reason I could see a problem is the idea that district resources are limited and the number of students who get those resources may bump out a child in the district who would otherwise get them. And would I be really disappointed if my kid got beat out for the lead in a play, or a position on a sports team, to a kid who wasn't really supposed to be in the district? Of course. But as a mom, I just can't see reporting a family knowing what that could do to a kid. At a minimum, separating them from their school friends, their teachers... and worst, sending them back to a district that doesn't have its act together. And I really don't see a parent trying to get one over on other tax payers, cheating the system with some greedy underhanded motives... More often I bet it's parents who desperately want the best for their kids and can't afford to move to a better district. It just makes me sad.
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What would you do if anything....
I think I would MYOB because I don't think I could know 100% that the kids shouldn't be in the school. I think a PP said also that not everyone's situation is obvious to an outsider.
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| Posted 1/13/17 3:24 AM |
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Re: What would you do if anything....
I just had a student be dropped because they found out they do not live in the district
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Re: What would you do if anything....
Posted by Diane
I just had a student be dropped because they found out they do not live in the district
This happens all the time. In every district there is one person who is dedicated to the position of investigating residency issues because it is a problem in every district.
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Re: What would you do if anything....
I know someone who is using another school district because their child was being bullied terribly and their child began cutting themselves. The school did take care of the bullying and it did stop but the child still fell into a deep depression and that's when the cutting began. So she lies and uses her parents address since she can not move. Her child now has more friends, is happy, on a sports team and no longer cutting. This is the only reason I would MYOB, because sometimes there is more going on and I would feel terrible if I would be the reason a child gets removed from a school that has helped them. If the person I know could move she definitely would but does not have the money to do so since she is a single mom.
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Re: What would you do if anything....
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Also, for all the people who are outraged what would you do if couldn't afford a better school district but wanted the best for your kid ? I think many patents would take this route if the opportunity presented itself.
We all want the best for our children, but if everyone had the attitude that it's ok to break the rules we'd have every kid on LI attending the top 10 school districts. I'd buy the smallest, cheapest house in the best district before I'd ask my child to lie about where they live.
I agree. If you're that intent on getting your kid into a specific district then buy or rent in the area. People save and spend a lot of $$ to make sure their kids get into a good district. Everyone is entitled to an education but not everyone is entitled to use resources not allocated to them.
The only kids entitled to use a school district are the kids whose parents or guardians pay or reside in that district or kids who have been granted permission to by the school board.
ETA: I'm also baffled by how many people say MYOB or think this is OK...
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Re: What would you do if anything....
I'm in the MYOB camp. Life isn't so black and white and I rather police or get involved in other bigger issues. Also it's probably just me but if my kid got beat out by another kid who shouldn't be there it wouldn't get me upset. Someone is always going to be better or want it more. It's life. I never saw this as a big deal.
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| Posted 1/13/17 12:59 PM |
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This has been said a bunch of times but you never know what may be going on with the family and what situation they are in. Have you ever been in a situation where things weren't as the situation looked? Some people take advantage I'm sure but some may be in a horrific circumstance. I was one of those children. I won't share my circumstance.
It's a common theme I find that people view the world black and white, "they should just" do this and "it's not fair".
I wish there was more compassion. Benefit of the doubt to protect the handful of suffering when it comes to nonviolent situations.
I am hard working, paid my own way and worked hard to live in one of the top districts. I would not be here if someone chose to take away the 4 months of my life I had to use my grandmothers address to use her school district. It literally saved my life. Please don't punish the children unless you really truly know the circumstance personally.
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Re: What would you do if anything....
It is very sad to me in many ways how tightly bound together the concepts of "wealth" and "good education" seem to be.
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| Posted 1/14/17 12:04 PM |
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Re: What would you do if anything....
Posted by oldtimerocknroll
It is very sad to me in many ways how tightly bound together the concepts of "wealth" and "good education" seem to be.
Truth.
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