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Mara1017
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Re: What would you do if anything....
Posted by WonderLady
Posted by Mara1017
So I am actually an attorney for school districts. One of the things that I do is work with the schools on removing students that are not residents. Students attending schools that they are not residents in do effect the residents. Their education costs money and if the District spends money on them there is less for the real residents. In addition, if the DIstrict has to do an investigation to remove them it is very costly since surveillance is needed and that is not cheap.
Some of the people above also said not unless they are a bully, gang member, etc. Just remember just because they are no problem one minute does not mean they will not become a problem. It is not very easy to get rid of them even if they are a gang member.
I'm sorry, but what do you mean that it doesn't mean they won't become a problem? Anyone can theoretically "become a problem", but it certainly sounds like you're insinuating that it's more likely to happen if someone is from a lesser district. Get rid of them before they become problems?
No completely the opposite. Someone said they don't care if someone is in the school who is not a resident as long as they are not a problem, bully, gang member. I am simply saying that just because they are not a problem when they enter doesn't mean they won't become a problem.
I represent school at all different sizes, demographics, etc. I represent a district where most people think of being a top district and one where people who probably consider a bad district and I promise you there are just as many bad kids (and maybe more) at the "good district" as the "bad district"
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What would you do if anything....
I would report it. I just got my new tax bill...69.2% taxes towards school and right now I don't even use the schools. It would aggravate me to know someone is using the district. Use your own damn district- you don't like the schools send your kid to private school or move. My parents sent us to private school k-12 because they didn't like the district and it wasn't an awful district either.
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Bebelove
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Re: What would you do if anything....
My neighbors around the block are doing this. It's a rental home, Every day, a car full of kids are driven to the bus stop and picked up. I have no idea where they are living. I don't say anything , but it annoys me. There are 3-4 kids that obviously do not live here
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Bebelove
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Re: What would you do if anything....
Posted by WonderLady
Lmao to kids "showing up from Asia". Sounds like something my grandmother would say.
Back to OP- why would you do anything? Myob!
It is her business , technically she and her neighbors are paying for these kids. I have a similar issue where I am, it does bother me.
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Bebelove
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Re: What would you do if anything....
Posted by WonderLady
Lmao to kids "showing up from Asia". Sounds like something my grandmother would say.
Back to OP- why would you do anything? Myob!
Syosset and Herricks comes to mind , bayside is another area. It's an issue
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| Posted 1/6/17 9:12 PM |
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Kids do just "show up from Asia-" in my school, it happens in May when their schools let out and they come for a month and a half to "learn English" and we have to do report cards for them (if they even stay the entire month and a half until school ends) and guess what? It's kind of a nuisance....sorry, but it is. Plus, these are not taxpayers..they are vacationers who are taking up short residence in a family member's home in NYC schools.
In NYC schools, they let you stay in your old school if you move, because, let's face it, NYC taxes go to ALL the schools..the way the suburbs are set up is completely different and each district is raising a large amount of funds...it's not up to each individual household to interpret the rules and there are rules for a reason.
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renee92405
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Re: What would you do if anything....
Posted by Bebelove
Posted by WonderLady
Lmao to kids "showing up from Asia". Sounds like something my grandmother would say.
Back to OP- why would you do anything? Myob!
Syosset and Herricks comes to mind , bayside is another area. It's an issue
I went to Herricks. ( a very long time ago) and this was a huge problem. The high school was walking distance to Hillside Ave. so the students who were coming to the school illegally would just walk to hillside avenue and hop on the bus to Queens.
My mother was so infuriated with what was going on. She and my dad busted their butts to live in the district. Not long after I graduated they sold and left NY.
But she didn't say anything.
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WhatNow
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Re: What would you do if anything....
Posted by Mariabella
Nothing I am a firm believer in MYOB.
As am I!
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Re: What would you do if anything....
Posted by WonderLady
Posted by Mara1017
So I am actually an attorney for school districts. One of the things that I do is work with the schools on removing students that are not residents. Students attending schools that they are not residents in do effect the residents. Their education costs money and if the District spends money on them there is less for the real residents. In addition, if the DIstrict has to do an investigation to remove them it is very costly since surveillance is needed and that is not cheap.
Some of the people above also said not unless they are a bully, gang member, etc. Just remember just because they are no problem one minute does not mean they will not become a problem. It is not very easy to get rid of them even if they are a gang member.
I'm sorry, but what do you mean that it doesn't mean they won't become a problem? Anyone can theoretically "become a problem", but it certainly sounds like you're insinuating that it's more likely to happen if someone is from a lesser district. Get rid of them before they become problems?
It didn't seem like s/he's insinuating anything.
People may say, hey its a nice kid, until they push your kid on the bus, or its fine, until that kid gets chosen for X and they're taking up a spot you saw your kid in.
Basically assessing whether a kid is good or bad or anywhere in between can change by the day. its not a problem 1 minute, until well, it is.
This can translate to any of the MYOB posts that seem to go on about LI. Everyone is MYOB about everything around here. From illegal apartments, illegal house additions, cash business that cheat on their taxes, spouses who cheat on their partners, no show political jobs, down to the guy who acts like an as$ to the starbucks barista who made a mistake.
In general, I think society tends to deteriorate a little bit when people always stand around and do nothing.
From what I remember it costs somewhere between $20-25K per kid in school. Lets say there are 10 kids in your school illegally. Thats $200K. Not everything is incremental per kid, there are a lot of sunk costs. But seriously, if there is $50K of extra costs, think what that could do for the school. Anyone on the PTA? think of all the fundraising you do during the year and how much you raise and how much effort that takes...
The grandparent thing doesn't hold water for me. They sent their kids to school. Their taxes paid and are continuing to pay for that. If you think everyone who pays their taxes can rent out a spot in the school b/c they paid for it, school taxes will mirror the cost of a kids education for everyone, every year. your taxes would be $50K per year. Hey, if you know the details and don't want to report, thats just fine. For me, i think it only should fly if its a stopgap measure, short period of time thing.
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What would you do if anything....
with the amount of rentals and lack of affordable legal apartments on LI, many kids are attending schools that the parent/s are not paying for.
If someone is rebuilding a home etc, and is renting in another town, the home school district must provide transportation to the home school.
I think MYOB is a double edge sword, it allows for many " illegal" activities on one hand and frustration on the other and unhappiness for many. Many times MYOB is about quality of life issues.
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summerBaby10
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Re: What would you do if anything....
This would definitely annoy me & I would want to say something. My husband works 6 days a week to have our family afford to live in one of the previously mentioned SD & we sacrifice a lot to live here so that our kids can have a great education.
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Re: What would you do if anything....
Posted by CSK
Posted by WonderLady
Posted by Mara1017
So I am actually an attorney for school districts. One of the things that I do is work with the schools on removing students that are not residents. Students attending schools that they are not residents in do effect the residents. Their education costs money and if the District spends money on them there is less for the real residents. In addition, if the DIstrict has to do an investigation to remove them it is very costly since surveillance is needed and that is not cheap.
Some of the people above also said not unless they are a bully, gang member, etc. Just remember just because they are no problem one minute does not mean they will not become a problem. It is not very easy to get rid of them even if they are a gang member.
I'm sorry, but what do you mean that it doesn't mean they won't become a problem? Anyone can theoretically "become a problem", but it certainly sounds like you're insinuating that it's more likely to happen if someone is from a lesser district. Get rid of them before they become problems?
It didn't seem like s/he's insinuating anything.
People may say, hey its a nice kid, until they push your kid on the bus, or its fine, until that kid gets chosen for X and they're taking up a spot you saw your kid in.
Basically assessing whether a kid is good or bad or anywhere in between can change by the day. its not a problem 1 minute, until well, it is.
This can translate to any of the MYOB posts that seem to go on about LI. Everyone is MYOB about everything around here. From illegal apartments, illegal house additions, cash business that cheat on their taxes, spouses who cheat on their partners, no show political jobs, down to the guy who acts like an as$ to the starbucks barista who made a mistake.
In general, I think society tends to deteriorate a little bit when people always stand around and do nothing.
From what I remember it costs somewhere between $20-25K per kid in school. Lets say there are 10 kids in your school illegally. Thats $200K. Not everything is incremental per kid, there are a lot of sunk costs. But seriously, if there is $50K of extra costs, think what that could do for the school. Anyone on the PTA? think of all the fundraising you do during the year and how much you raise and how much effort that takes...
The grandparent thing doesn't hold water for me. They sent their kids to school. Their taxes paid and are continuing to pay for that. If you think everyone who pays their taxes can rent out a spot in the school b/c they paid for it, school taxes will mirror the cost of a kids education for everyone, every year. your taxes would be $50K per year. Hey, if you know the details and don't want to report, thats just fine. For me, i think it only should fly if its a stopgap measure, short period of time thing.
ITA.
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DancinBarefoot
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Re: What would you do if anything....
Posted by MerryChristmas
Posted by NervousNell
Posted by lululu
Posted by WannaBeAMom11
Myob. It's not hurting you and it's benefiting a child.
So this is so interesting that this topic is coming up because I went to register my daughter for K yesterday and had a long talk with the registrar about the problem we are having with children illegally attending schools in our district. There are many families abusing the better districts - they are even coming here from Asia, setting up fake residences and then having children take the LIRR from Queens to attend high school in my town. My tax dollars are thru the roof to support all of the students that are here illegally. So it is hurting me and my family. Because of this my view has changed and I would absolutely report anyone that was using the school district illegally. People need to abide by the rules.
I agree.
Someone said it's not hurting anyone.
Yes, it is actually.
It's overcrowding the schools and actually hurting the kids who belong there fair and square.
Having said that I probably wouldn't say anything either because I really do believe in MYOB.
But it does hurt taxpayers and students in the school who are there legally in the long run.
It's not exactly a victim-less thing
But the grandparents live in the district and are paying school tax like the above poster who is childless. It's not like they are using a fake address or a household that already has kids in it using the schools. I would MYOB.
Not necessarily true. My MIL gets a reduced tax rate through STAR due to age, AND the fact that there are no children residing in her house that attend school. She lives in a better district than we do, and we could easily drive DD there to hop on the bus - but we don't. We send her to private school.
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MissJones
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What would you do if anything....
See, if they have family paying school taxes then I say myob.
But using a false address is something I have a problem with.
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Chai77
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Re: What would you do if anything....
I would not say anything. My reasoning is MYOB and if it is the grandparents home, technically they could move in there and attend legally. Unless there was a trend with a large number of kids coming in, it's not worth making enemies in my opinion.
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Leb
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Re: What would you do if anything....
Posted by JennZ
Posted by Mariabella
Nothing I am a firm believer in MYOB.
this.
100%
My child isn't in the district yet but I've heard of people doing this. IMO there is a checks and balance system in place and it's not your job to follow up on this. You don't know the back story with this family.
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PearlJamChick
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Re: What would you do if anything....
Nothing. But I don't have kids and I never will so IDGAF.
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Maybe-Baybe
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Re: What would you do if anything....
Posted by DancinBarefoot
Posted by MerryChristmas
Posted by NervousNell
Posted by lululu
Posted by WannaBeAMom11
Myob. It's not hurting you and it's benefiting a child.
So this is so interesting that this topic is coming up because I went to register my daughter for K yesterday and had a long talk with the registrar about the problem we are having with children illegally attending schools in our district. There are many families abusing the better districts - they are even coming here from Asia, setting up fake residences and then having children take the LIRR from Queens to attend high school in my town. My tax dollars are thru the roof to support all of the students that are here illegally. So it is hurting me and my family. Because of this my view has changed and I would absolutely report anyone that was using the school district illegally. People need to abide by the rules.
I agree.
Someone said it's not hurting anyone.
Yes, it is actually.
It's overcrowding the schools and actually hurting the kids who belong there fair and square.
Having said that I probably wouldn't say anything either because I really do believe in MYOB.
But it does hurt taxpayers and students in the school who are there legally in the long run.
It's not exactly a victim-less thing
But the grandparents live in the district and are paying school tax like the above poster who is childless. It's not like they are using a fake address or a household that already has kids in it using the schools. I would MYOB.
Not necessarily true. My MIL gets a reduced tax rate through STAR due to age, AND the fact that there are no children residing in her house that attend school.
Exactly. MIL pays significantly less in taxes (at least half the normal amount) due to age and income factors, so that whole rationale doesn't hold water for me.
OP, I would be be pissed about the situation and probably would say something.
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Re: What would you do if anything....
Posted by Mara1017
Posted by blu6385
IMO if no one else in that house is going to school in that district whats the big deal that their grandkids use to go to school?
They have to pay taxes no matter what do why no let their grandkids go to the school?
Now if someone already is attending school in that house I would think its not right.
Either way I would MYOB though I would have better things to do then worry about who is supposed to be going to school vs who is not. My taxes go up every year me creating a big thing about one student is not changing that
Do you know how expensive one child can be for a school district. There are children who are special education children who are not educated in the District and instead attend an out of District placements. It is not unheard of for the out of district placement to cost the District well over $50,000.
Also, there are only limited places in programs or classes. The non resident child can be taking a spot away from someone who does reside in the District which is not right.
The law provides that the residency is where the children resides and not where the family thinks is the best school district and use an address of a family member if they do not have a child going to the school.
No matter how expensive it is somebody in that household is paying taxes for school and not utilizing the service so why can't a relative use it? What's the difference if they actually do live there and are using it.
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Re: What would you do if anything....
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Posted by blu6385
IMO if no one else in that house is going to school in that district whats the big deal that their grandkids use to go to school?
They have to pay taxes no matter what do why no let their grandkids go to the school?
Now if someone already is attending school in that house I would think its not right.
Either way I would MYOB though I would have better things to do then worry about who is supposed to be going to school vs who is not. My taxes go up every year me creating a big thing about one student is not changing that
Do you know how expensive one child can be for a school district. There are children who are special education children who are not educated in the District and instead attend an out of District placements. It is not unheard of for the out of district placement to cost the District well over $50,000.
Also, there are only limited places in programs or classes. The non resident child can be taking a spot away from someone who does reside in the District which is not right.
The law provides that the residency is where the children resides and not where the family thinks is the best school district and use an address of a family member if they do not have a child going to the school.
No matter how expensive it is somebody in that household is paying taxes for school and not utilizing the service so why can't a relative use it? What's the difference if they actually do live there and are using it.
Because that is not what the law says. You are entitled to a tuition free in the district you reside. If a someone has 10 grandchildren , all 10 should be entitled to use the schools even if they don't live there? You can choose not to report someone but they are doing something wrong no matter how you try to rationalize it.
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ChilisWife
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Re: What would you do if anything....
I would probably not say anything and it probably wouldn't bother me UNLESS this kid did something to affect my children like bully them or somehow cause trouble. In that case, I would rat them out.
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MYOB unless the student was a problem some how
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Mara1017
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Re: What would you do if anything....
Posted by ChilisWife
I would probably not say anything and it probably wouldn't bother me UNLESS this kid did something to affect my children like bully them or somehow cause trouble. In that case, I would rat them out.
I can almost guarantee that this plan will back fire. Once a child is admitted to the school it is not east to remove them. So they may do something to hurt your child or cause trouble but just telling the school at that point will not be enough .
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Chai77
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Re: What would you do if anything....
Posted by Mara1017
Posted by ChilisWife
I would probably not say anything and it probably wouldn't bother me UNLESS this kid did something to affect my children like bully them or somehow cause trouble. In that case, I would rat them out.
I can almost guarantee that this plan will back fire. Once a child is admitted to the school it is not east to remove them. So they may do something to hurt your child or cause trouble but just telling the school at that point will not be enough .
Ok. But in the OP's case, the student is already attending the school. So....?
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ChilisWife
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Re: What would you do if anything....
I cant imagine that this is so common that a lot of people can do it. At least in my school district you need to show so many types of proof of residency, with my name on it like a deed or lease, and a utility bill, and a license. You would receive all your school mail at that address. And you would have to drive to and from school daily. Then if you were afraid of parents telling on you, you could never have kids invite friends over. I dont know, just seems like too much work for it to happen all that often.
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