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dapnkap
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Why We Should Move to Sweden, Estonia, Bulgaria, UK or Canada!
An example of generous parental leave is Sweden, where all working parents are entitled to 18 months' paid leave per child, the cost being shared between employer and State. To encourage greater paternal involvement in child-rearing, a minimum of 3 months out of the 18 is required to be used by the "minority" parent, in practice usually the father, and some Swedish political parties on the Left argue for legislation to oblige families to divide the 18 months equally between both parents.
Norway also has similarly generous leave.
In Estonia mothers are entitled to 18 months of paid leave, starting up to 70 days before due date. Fathers are entitled to paid leave starting from the third month after birth (paid leave is however available to only one parent at a time). The amount paid depends on wages earned during previous calendar year - most will receive 100% or full wage but there is an upper limit of three times national average.
The maternal-leave only system in Bulgaria is even more generous, providing mothers with 45 days 100% paid sick leave prior the due date, 2 years paid leave, and 1 additional year of unpaid leave. The employer is obliged to restore the mother to the same position upon return to work. In addition, pregnant women and single mothers cannot be fired.
In 2000, parental leave was greatly expanded in Canada from 10 weeks to 35 weeks divided between the two parents, which can be expanded to a year. In Canada parental leave is paid for by the Employment Insurance system.
In the UK, all female employees are entitled to 52 weeks of maternity leave, 39 weeks of which is paid, with the first six weeks paid at 90% of full pay and the remainder at a fixed rate.
All I get is a lousy $170/week for 6 or 8 weeks!
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neener1211
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Re: Why We Should Move to Sweden, Estonia, Bulgaria, UK or Canada!
so frustrating!
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2BEANS
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Re: Why We Should Move to Sweden, Estonia, Bulgaria, UK or Canada!
Oh man 18ms preg leave would be AWESOME!!..
did you know some other countries actualy pay you to go to school!!! Australia pays for you to go to college.
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curliegirl
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Re: Why We Should Move to Sweden, Estonia, Bulgaria, UK or Canada!
 Yeah, isn't America great? 
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Mrs-Boop
My Babies
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Re: Why We Should Move to Sweden, Estonia, Bulgaria, UK or Canada!
Really sad!! Here, they just take family time away...I couldn't believe when I heard that the governor of NJ is taking away the day after Thanksgiving from gov't employees...when they have gotten that day for decades. I wish family was valued more in the US, maybe there wouldn't be so many problems!!
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JChia
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Re: Why We Should Move to Sweden, Estonia, Bulgaria, UK or Canada!
I'm going to go and work for IKEA!
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| Posted 10/30/07 3:20 PM |
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True, but in some of those countries, you'd be paying through the nose if you wanted to see a good doctor.
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| Posted 10/30/07 3:40 PM |
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mtnmama
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Message edited 8/13/2009 11:47:15 AM.
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curliegirl
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Re: Why We Should Move to Sweden, Estonia, Bulgaria, UK or Canada!
Posted by ssdbk
True, but in some of those countries, you'd be paying through the nose if you wanted to see a good doctor.
But in many countries healthcare is free...
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| Posted 10/30/07 4:00 PM |
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yankinmanc
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Re: Why We Should Move to Sweden, Estonia, Bulgaria, UK or Canada!
Posted by dapnkap
In the UK, all female employees are entitled to 52 weeks of maternity leave, 39 weeks of which is paid, with the first six weeks paid at 90% of full pay and the remainder at a fixed rate.
Thats true, I had 13 months maternity leave and waltzed back into my old role with an 18% pay rise.
The 39 weeks is actually only 33, thats counting the 6 weeks your employer pays 90% of your salary, ther remaining 33 weeks isy statuatory maternity pay, which is something like £112.75 (which is about $225) when I was on mat leave it was only 20 weeks...ah well. With my next baby....
Message edited 10/30/2007 4:03:11 PM.
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| Posted 10/30/07 4:02 PM |
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yankinmanc
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Re: Why We Should Move to Sweden, Estonia, Bulgaria, UK or Canada!
Just a few things to clear up...
The healthcare isn't free, we pay 9% of our salary to the NHS. The income tax isn't 50%, in the UK we pay 23% up to £40K ($80K) and on anything above and beyond £40K, you are taxed 40%.
The NHS is a fantastic system where you can see good doctors, there is a wait for things like hip operations, but in general, the system works well. The maternity care that I had when I had my baby in the UK was fantastic. I was offered a selection of birthing choices and I had fantastic midwife care during and after my birth. The NHS sends a midwife to your house for anything up to 28 days after you give birth, and following that they send Health Visitors who check up on your childs progress.
Thought I would elaborate.
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curliegirl
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Re: Why We Should Move to Sweden, Estonia, Bulgaria, UK or Canada!
Posted by racheeeee
Just a few things to clear up...
The healthcare isn't free, we pay 9% of our salary to the NHS. The income tax isn't 50%, in the UK we pay 23% up to £40K ($80K) and on anything above and beyond £40K, you are taxed 40%.
The NHS is a fantastic system where you can see good doctors, there is a wait for things like hip operations, but in general, the system works well. The maternity care that I had when I had my baby in the UK was fantastic. I was offered a selection of birthing choices and I had fantastic midwife care during and after my birth. The NHS sends a midwife to your house for anything up to 28 days after you give birth, and following that they send Health Visitors who check up on your childs progress.
Thought I would elaborate.
thank you for clearing that up for us....
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| Posted 10/30/07 4:36 PM |
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yankinmanc
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Re: Why We Should Move to Sweden, Estonia, Bulgaria, UK or Canada!
Posted by curliegirl
Posted by racheeeee
Just a few things to clear up...
The healthcare isn't free, we pay 9% of our salary to the NHS. The income tax isn't 50%, in the UK we pay 23% up to £40K ($80K) and on anything above and beyond £40K, you are taxed 40%.
The NHS is a fantastic system where you can see good doctors, there is a wait for things like hip operations, but in general, the system works well. The maternity care that I had when I had my baby in the UK was fantastic. I was offered a selection of birthing choices and I had fantastic midwife care during and after my birth. The NHS sends a midwife to your house for anything up to 28 days after you give birth, and following that they send Health Visitors who check up on your childs progress.
Thought I would elaborate.
thank you for clearing that up for us....
Well, seeing as you asked.
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ChrisDee
My Girls
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Re: Why We Should Move to Sweden, Estonia, Bulgaria, UK or Canada!
My father in law moved to Bulgaria and he rented a 1100sq ft Flat, fully furnished, for $250 a month. But when he came down with cancer he came back here for better care.
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hope07
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Re: Why We Should Move to Sweden, Estonia, Bulgaria, UK or Canada!
why is our country so behind with this??
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Mrs
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Re: Why We Should Move to Sweden, Estonia, Bulgaria, UK or Canada!
and US says its advanced! Whatever!
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cjik
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Re: Why We Should Move to Sweden, Estonia, Bulgaria, UK or Canada!
Wow, I have distant relatives in Estonia--DH does in Sweden. We should definitely go live there!
I was reading recently that there is only one other developed nation that offers no paid maternity leave nationally, and that is Australia. BUT, they do offer up to a year off for the mother--unpaid, but nice to have the option.
We are so backwards in this country when it comes to this. I think many of our politicians talk about family and how important family is, but precious few try to do anything to create better work conditions for families. I think this is primarily because they don't want to upset businesses and potential campaign donors. Also may have something to do with our lousy Puritan work ethic.
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clmj2
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Re: Why We Should Move to Sweden, Estonia, Bulgaria, UK or Canada!
in Canada you actually get 52 wks with how it works out...you start on pregnancy leave which you can start up to 8wks before the due date (im going off end of this week)(lasts for 17wks) and then you get the rest of your leave afterwards...so my employer has my back to work date set as Nov 5/08 you end up getting 55% of an average of the # of weeks you worked before you went off paid out bi-weekly by Employment Insurance
ETA: you dont pay to see any doctors here...referral from your family doc gets you in to see pretty much anyone, might take a bit, but you will get into see them all covered by OHIP and you can do your research and let your doc know who you want to go to.
Message edited 10/31/2007 6:15:48 AM.
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usuk2004
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Re: Why We Should Move to Sweden, Estonia, Bulgaria, UK or Canada!
Posted by racheeeee
Posted by dapnkap
In the UK, all female employees are entitled to 52 weeks of maternity leave, 39 weeks of which is paid, with the first six weeks paid at 90% of full pay and the remainder at a fixed rate.
Thats true, I had 13 months maternity leave and waltzed back into my old role with an 18% pay rise.
The 39 weeks is actually only 33, thats counting the 6 weeks your employer pays 90% of your salary, ther remaining 33 weeks isy statuatory maternity pay, which is something like £112.75 (which is about $225) when I was on mat leave it was only 20 weeks...ah well. With my next baby....
Just to add - that's $225 weekly. And of course there are certain stipulations - like if you make less than that you're entitled to 90% of your salary instead.
I *think* that your child is automatically entitled to Child Benefit as well, which is a weekly payment of £18 ($36) up until the age of 16. But most people don't tend to claim it (is that right, Rachel?)
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| Posted 10/31/07 6:58 AM |
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poc53
LIF Infant
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Re: Why We Should Move to Sweden, Estonia, Bulgaria, UK or Canada!
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=490233&in_page_id=1770
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yankinmanc
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Re: Why We Should Move to Sweden, Estonia, Bulgaria, UK or Canada!
Posted by usuk2004
Posted by racheeeee
Posted by dapnkap
In the UK, all female employees are entitled to 52 weeks of maternity leave, 39 weeks of which is paid, with the first six weeks paid at 90% of full pay and the remainder at a fixed rate.
Thats true, I had 13 months maternity leave and waltzed back into my old role with an 18% pay rise.
The 39 weeks is actually only 33, thats counting the 6 weeks your employer pays 90% of your salary, ther remaining 33 weeks isy statuatory maternity pay, which is something like £112.75 (which is about $225) when I was on mat leave it was only 20 weeks...ah well. With my next baby....
Just to add - that's $225 weekly. And of course there are certain stipulations - like if you make less than that you're entitled to 90% of your salary instead.
I *think* that your child is automatically entitled to Child Benefit as well, which is a weekly payment of £18 ($36) up until the age of 16. But most people don't tend to claim it (is that right, Rachel?)
Oh yes, thats right. I forgot to mention that, I get £18 a week until Noah is 16, right now I spend that on diapers and clothes for the boy. It is a good deal.
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yankinmanc
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Posted by poc53
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=490233&in_page_id=1770
Unfortunately, as is in most countries, no health care system is perfect. Its a post code lottery...you could live in one area and have fantastic NHS coverage, but live in another, perhaps more rural area and have terrible NHS coverage. Its just like anything else, its not perfect. (and no, I haven't seen sicko) I can only speak from my own experiences, I have had wonderful treatment on the NHS, I live in a major city...don't know if that has anything to do with it, but it might do.
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CherylWoops
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Re: Why We Should Move to Sweden, Estonia, Bulgaria, UK or Canada!
K-Lo, not only am I impressed by your research but I am so sad about our country....and I too am in the same boat as you.
And what was that about IKEA? Dude, I will go anyhere that will give me a better maternity deal. 
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Chica
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Re: Why We Should Move to Sweden, Estonia, Bulgaria, UK or Canada!
Posted by cjik
We are so backwards in this country when it comes to this. I think many of our politicians talk about family and how important family is, but precious few try to do anything to create better work conditions for families. I think this is primarily because they don't want to upset businesses and potential campaign donors.
ITA with this!
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| Posted 10/31/07 10:13 AM |
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usuk2004
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Posted by racheeeee
Posted by poc53
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=490233&in_page_id=1770
Unfortunately, as is in most countries, no health care system is perfect. Its a post code lottery...you could live in one area and have fantastic NHS coverage, but live in another, perhaps more rural area and have terrible NHS coverage. Its just like anything else, its not perfect. (and no, I haven't seen sicko) I can only speak from my own experiences, I have had wonderful treatment on the NHS, I live in a major city...don't know if that has anything to do with it, but it might do.
Also, the Daily Mail is not the most reputable news source!
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