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chilltocam
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Re: will you take the new covid vaccine ?
Posted by Naturalmama
People seem to think that once the vaccine is widely available, life goes back to February. I don't believe that is the case. Travel, live theater, no masks, concerts...those things are not on the horizon. My bet is 2022 for a pre pandemic life, certainly not 2021. The vaccine will get to to a pre pandemic life, but it is going to be awhile.
Yes. As I heard a newscaster put it, it will not be like a light switch, more like a slow dimmer switch, after the vaccine becomes available
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Re: will you take the new covid vaccine ?
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These posts are ridiculous. Based on the current data, I don't know any doctor or scientist who isn't counting down the days until they can get the vaccine for themselves and their children.
You don't want to get the vaccine, fine. Get COVID. But don't dissuade others from getting it based on your own misguided opinions.
This is not a "do your own research" situation. This is a "speak to the experts" situation. If anyone truly wants more information, call your GP when the vaccine becomes available and THEN make your decision.
This post is misleading as well because I do know Doctors and nurses who will not get this vaccine first and aren't counting down the days. Not all medical professionals but to say there are none is completely inaccurate.
If they work for hospitals, they may not have a choice to decline the vaccine. There are certainly hospitals that require employees to be up to date on vaccines including the flu shot. I don’t think this vaccine would be any different. I also wouldn’t be surprised if a lot of employers, especially of essential workers, make this mandatory for work.
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Re: will you take the new covid vaccine ?
Posted by lululu
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The fact of the matter is anyone that is high risk should be willing to take the vaccine. The entire world has shuttered itself to protect the small portion of our population that is high risk. The least they can do is be the first round of recipients of a new vaccine that is not yet proven to not have long term side effects. Then, to the extent that they need a certain % of the population of the population to take it most of us should be willing to do so, for the greater good. I think children should of course be exempt.
So these people should be guinea pigs? They don't matter because they are more at risk?
Yes. Frankly they should. Roll your eyes all you want. It's not that they "don't matter," it's that they are the most susceptible, will benefit most from a successful vaccine, and are the main reason that the rest of the world has been sacrificing for almost a year now. Would you recommend that instead we have children test out the vaccine? Or Young adults that will most likely experience mild symptoms if they get covid? you said yourself you won't get it. Who should then? No one?
I agree. They are the most susceptible to dying or long term serious effects from getting COVID. That’s exactly the population who needs to be protected. The seriousness of the disease, including the long term effects if someone in a high risk group even survives, are far more concerning right now IMO than possible long term effects from the vaccine.
The numbers are out of control in most of the country. If we want to have any hope of returning to some state of normalcy in the future, the majority of people, especially those who are high risk, need to be willing to get the vaccine.
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Re: will you take the new covid vaccine ?
Posted by MrsS2005
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Posted by lululu
The fact of the matter is anyone that is high risk should be willing to take the vaccine. The entire world has shuttered itself to protect the small portion of our population that is high risk. The least they can do is be the first round of recipients of a new vaccine that is not yet proven to not have long term side effects. Then, to the extent that they need a certain % of the population of the population to take it most of us should be willing to do so, for the greater good. I think children should of course be exempt.
So these people should be guinea pigs? They don't matter because they are more at risk?
Yes. Frankly they should. Roll your eyes all you want. It's not that they "don't matter," it's that they are the most susceptible, will benefit most from a successful vaccine, and are the main reason that the rest of the world has been sacrificing for almost a year now. Would you recommend that instead we have children test out the vaccine? Or Young adults that will most likely experience mild symptoms if they get covid? you said yourself you won't get it. Who should then? No one?
I agree. They are the most susceptible to dying or long term serious effects from getting COVID. That’s exactly the population who needs to be protected. The seriousness of the disease, including the long term effects if someone in a high risk group even survives, are far more concerning right now IMO than possible long term effects from the vaccine.
The numbers are out of control in most of the country. If we want to have any hope of returning to some state of normalcy in the future, the majority of people, especially those who are high risk, need to be willing to get the vaccine.
I agree except about the exemption of children, but that’s another topic, so...
The older population aren’t necessarily guinea pigs. The vaccine has been in trials. The ingredients are ingredients that have mostly been used before.
At this point the older generation doesn’t have much choice. Long term effects, if there are any, probably won’t show up in the older population for the simple fact that they are at the end of their lifespan. If they get CoVID, their chances of death increase.
The long term effects of CoVID are still not understood. The older population is at risk of so many other health issues at their age. And now they are sitting home wasting away the last years of their life and not being with family. Or they could go out and risk their chances of catching CoVID. Or they can get a vaccine that will hopefully work. Or they could get lucky, not catch CoVID, not have any other health issues, and live until they’re over 100. Of course, we would want the latter. But doesn’t everyone?
But we never know when it’s our time. I’ll take “vaccines” for 100, Alex.
As for me, this whole pandemic has really got me thinking about how much life I have left to live. I’m tired of being in this situation. I’m lost in a virtual life of Zoom. I’m going to take the vaccine when it is available to me here. I have taken my health for granted. I am terrified of doctors, so I have avoided them as best as I can. The vaccine is the best thing I can do for my health right now.
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seaside
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Re: will you take the new covid vaccine ?
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We were just discussing the vaccine with the kids. We have such a long list of places we want to go and things we plan to do once we've gotten it.
OMG I cannot wait to travel again!
I started a mental list too.
Our Broadway list alone.... 
Just saw on the news how many shows are practicing for the Thanksgiving Day parade! My kids went crazy when they saw Hamilton. So excited; real Broadway will be back before we know it!
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Re: will you take the new covid vaccine ?
Posted by klingklang77
Posted by MrsS2005
Posted by lululu
Posted by valentinesbaby48
Posted by lululu
The fact of the matter is anyone that is high risk should be willing to take the vaccine. The entire world has shuttered itself to protect the small portion of our population that is high risk. The least they can do is be the first round of recipients of a new vaccine that is not yet proven to not have long term side effects. Then, to the extent that they need a certain % of the population of the population to take it most of us should be willing to do so, for the greater good. I think children should of course be exempt.
So these people should be guinea pigs? They don't matter because they are more at risk?
Yes. Frankly they should. Roll your eyes all you want. It's not that they "don't matter," it's that they are the most susceptible, will benefit most from a successful vaccine, and are the main reason that the rest of the world has been sacrificing for almost a year now. Would you recommend that instead we have children test out the vaccine? Or Young adults that will most likely experience mild symptoms if they get covid? you said yourself you won't get it. Who should then? No one?
I agree. They are the most susceptible to dying or long term serious effects from getting COVID. That’s exactly the population who needs to be protected. The seriousness of the disease, including the long term effects if someone in a high risk group even survives, are far more concerning right now IMO than possible long term effects from the vaccine.
The numbers are out of control in most of the country. If we want to have any hope of returning to some state of normalcy in the future, the majority of people, especially those who are high risk, need to be willing to get the vaccine.
I agree except about the exemption of children, but that’s another topic, so...
The older population aren’t necessarily guinea pigs. The vaccine has been in trials. The ingredients are ingredients that have mostly been used before.
At this point the older generation doesn’t have much choice. Long term effects, if there are any, probably won’t show up in the older population for the simple fact that they are at the end of their lifespan. If they get CoVID, their chances of death increase.
The long term effects of CoVID are still not understood. The older population is at risk of so many other health issues at their age. And now they are sitting home wasting away the last years of their life and not being with family. Or they could go out and risk their chances of catching CoVID. Or they can get a vaccine that will hopefully work. Or they could get lucky, not catch CoVID, not have any other health issues, and live until they’re over 100. Of course, we would want the latter. But doesn’t everyone?
But we never know when it’s our time. I’ll take “vaccines” for 100, Alex.
As for me, this whole pandemic has really got me thinking about how much life I have left to live. I’m tired of being in this situation. I’m lost in a virtual life of Zoom. I’m going to take the vaccine when it is available to me here. I have taken my health for granted. I am terrified of doctors, so I have avoided them as best as I can. The vaccine is the best thing I can do for my health right now.
Lots of food for thought.
Do we know what the long term side effects of the vaccine, distinct from any other vaccines, could even be? And whether they would likely be any worse than the potential long term effects of having battled covid?
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Sash
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Re: will you take the new covid vaccine ?
Posted by MrsS2005
Posted by Sash
Posted by LuckyStar
These posts are ridiculous. Based on the current data, I don't know any doctor or scientist who isn't counting down the days until they can get the vaccine for themselves and their children.
You don't want to get the vaccine, fine. Get COVID. But don't dissuade others from getting it based on your own misguided opinions.
This is not a "do your own research" situation. This is a "speak to the experts" situation. If anyone truly wants more information, call your GP when the vaccine becomes available and THEN make your decision.
This post is misleading as well because I do know Doctors and nurses who will not get this vaccine first and aren't counting down the days. Not all medical professionals but to say there are none is completely inaccurate.
If they work for hospitals, they may not have a choice to decline the vaccine. There are certainly hospitals that require employees to be up to date on vaccines including the flu shot. I don’t think this vaccine would be any different. I also wouldn’t be surprised if a lot of employers, especially of essential workers, make this mandatory for work.
I know, and they do take flu shots. Mandates wasn’t the point of the discussion. I was referring to medical professionals, partners at large medical hospitals who don’t want to take the vaccine or are on the fence. Just because people “don’t” know these people doesn’t mean what I and other posters are saying isn’t true. That was my point.
I guess I have a wider network of friends and family. I know many people and the census is split. I don’t only socialize with people who are carbon copies of me.
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Re: will you take the new covid vaccine ?
Posted by klingklang77
I agree except about the exemption of children, but that’s another topic, so...
Is it another topic? Most of us on this board have children. Children under 10 do not really seem to exhibit any symptoms of COVID and if they do they are extremely mild. They are not at risk when they do get Covid and from what I understand it is still not definitive that they transmit it often. If they are not at risk and they are not super spreaders I do not see why it would be necessary to get this vaccine. Like a flu vaccine this will not provide lifelong immunity. There is no reason for children to be taking the vaccine year after year until they reach the age where they can get and spread the virus which I believe is typically over 10. I do think that teenagers should get it, because they do seem to get and spread it. Maybe I should have clarified what I meant by "children." I would be curious as to why you think they should get it, but frankly if you have never been a parent I think it's hard to relate to why you would not want to give your very young child a very new vaccine.
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klingklang77
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Re: will you take the new covid vaccine ?
Posted by lululu
Posted by klingklang77
I agree except about the exemption of children, but that’s another topic, so...
Is it another topic? Most of us on this board have children. Children under 10 do not really seem to exhibit any symptoms of COVID and if they do they are extremely mild. They are not at risk when they do get Covid and from what I understand it is still not definitive that they transmit it often. If they are not at risk and they are not super spreaders I do not see why it would be necessary to get this vaccine. Like a flu vaccine this will not provide lifelong immunity. There is no reason for children to be taking the vaccine year after year until they reach the age where they can get and spread the virus which I believe is typically over 10. I do think that teenagers should get it, because they do seem to get and spread it. Maybe I should have clarified what I meant by "children." I would be curious as to why you think they should get it, but frankly if you have never been a parent I think it's hard to relate to why you would not want to give your very young child a very new vaccine.
I do think it is another topic. It has already kind of veered off topic about the older population being guinea pigs.
In addition, the OP stated no debate, and I know the OP’s stance on vaccines from posts a few years ago.
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Re: will you take the new covid vaccine ?
Posted by seaside
Posted by klingklang77
Posted by MrsS2005
Posted by lululu
Posted by valentinesbaby48
Posted by lululu
The fact of the matter is anyone that is high risk should be willing to take the vaccine. The entire world has shuttered itself to protect the small portion of our population that is high risk. The least they can do is be the first round of recipients of a new vaccine that is not yet proven to not have long term side effects. Then, to the extent that they need a certain % of the population of the population to take it most of us should be willing to do so, for the greater good. I think children should of course be exempt.
So these people should be guinea pigs? They don't matter because they are more at risk?
Yes. Frankly they should. Roll your eyes all you want. It's not that they "don't matter," it's that they are the most susceptible, will benefit most from a successful vaccine, and are the main reason that the rest of the world has been sacrificing for almost a year now. Would you recommend that instead we have children test out the vaccine? Or Young adults that will most likely experience mild symptoms if they get covid? you said yourself you won't get it. Who should then? No one?
I agree. They are the most susceptible to dying or long term serious effects from getting COVID. That’s exactly the population who needs to be protected. The seriousness of the disease, including the long term effects if someone in a high risk group even survives, are far more concerning right now IMO than possible long term effects from the vaccine.
The numbers are out of control in most of the country. If we want to have any hope of returning to some state of normalcy in the future, the majority of people, especially those who are high risk, need to be willing to get the vaccine.
I agree except about the exemption of children, but that’s another topic, so...
The older population aren’t necessarily guinea pigs. The vaccine has been in trials. The ingredients are ingredients that have mostly been used before.
At this point the older generation doesn’t have much choice. Long term effects, if there are any, probably won’t show up in the older population for the simple fact that they are at the end of their lifespan. If they get CoVID, their chances of death increase.
The long term effects of CoVID are still not understood. The older population is at risk of so many other health issues at their age. And now they are sitting home wasting away the last years of their life and not being with family. Or they could go out and risk their chances of catching CoVID. Or they can get a vaccine that will hopefully work. Or they could get lucky, not catch CoVID, not have any other health issues, and live until they’re over 100. Of course, we would want the latter. But doesn’t everyone?
But we never know when it’s our time. I’ll take “vaccines” for 100, Alex.
As for me, this whole pandemic has really got me thinking about how much life I have left to live. I’m tired of being in this situation. I’m lost in a virtual life of Zoom. I’m going to take the vaccine when it is available to me here. I have taken my health for granted. I am terrified of doctors, so I have avoided them as best as I can. The vaccine is the best thing I can do for my health right now.
Lots of food for thought.
Do we know what the long term side effects of the vaccine, distinct from any other vaccines, could even be? And whether they would likely be any worse than the potential long term effects of having battled covid?
Exactly and many older people have never stopped going out, don't take the flu vaccine.
I know many older people who have no desire to get the vaccine and don't trust it either. We know NOTHING about what the side effects could be.
How many people have taken these trials?
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Re: will you take the new covid vaccine ?
It's amazing how people don't understand the indirect impact on peoples lives and businesses from this pandemic. Or don't understand business operations.
Overhead costs don't go away because of a virus. These costs trickle every where from employee salary, rental costs, to loss in marketing and sponsorships for events, etc. Keep in mind of the fact that there has been no more stimulus packages. So every shut down or restriction is one more foot deeper in the grave for businesses. There's a reason food bank lines are running out of food.There is going to be a lot of clean up and harder times. There will be places and events you can't go back to. A vaccine isnt going to be like Boom - back to normal.
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Re: will you take the new covid vaccine ?
Posted by valentinesbaby48
Posted by seaside
Posted by klingklang77
Posted by MrsS2005
Posted by lululu
Posted by valentinesbaby48
Posted by lululu
The fact of the matter is anyone that is high risk should be willing to take the vaccine. The entire world has shuttered itself to protect the small portion of our population that is high risk. The least they can do is be the first round of recipients of a new vaccine that is not yet proven to not have long term side effects. Then, to the extent that they need a certain % of the population of the population to take it most of us should be willing to do so, for the greater good. I think children should of course be exempt.
So these people should be guinea pigs? They don't matter because they are more at risk?
Yes. Frankly they should. Roll your eyes all you want. It's not that they "don't matter," it's that they are the most susceptible, will benefit most from a successful vaccine, and are the main reason that the rest of the world has been sacrificing for almost a year now. Would you recommend that instead we have children test out the vaccine? Or Young adults that will most likely experience mild symptoms if they get covid? you said yourself you won't get it. Who should then? No one?
I agree. They are the most susceptible to dying or long term serious effects from getting COVID. That’s exactly the population who needs to be protected. The seriousness of the disease, including the long term effects if someone in a high risk group even survives, are far more concerning right now IMO than possible long term effects from the vaccine.
The numbers are out of control in most of the country. If we want to have any hope of returning to some state of normalcy in the future, the majority of people, especially those who are high risk, need to be willing to get the vaccine.
I agree except about the exemption of children, but that’s another topic, so...
The older population aren’t necessarily guinea pigs. The vaccine has been in trials. The ingredients are ingredients that have mostly been used before.
At this point the older generation doesn’t have much choice. Long term effects, if there are any, probably won’t show up in the older population for the simple fact that they are at the end of their lifespan. If they get CoVID, their chances of death increase.
The long term effects of CoVID are still not understood. The older population is at risk of so many other health issues at their age. And now they are sitting home wasting away the last years of their life and not being with family. Or they could go out and risk their chances of catching CoVID. Or they can get a vaccine that will hopefully work. Or they could get lucky, not catch CoVID, not have any other health issues, and live until they’re over 100. Of course, we would want the latter. But doesn’t everyone?
But we never know when it’s our time. I’ll take “vaccines” for 100, Alex.
As for me, this whole pandemic has really got me thinking about how much life I have left to live. I’m tired of being in this situation. I’m lost in a virtual life of Zoom. I’m going to take the vaccine when it is available to me here. I have taken my health for granted. I am terrified of doctors, so I have avoided them as best as I can. The vaccine is the best thing I can do for my health right now.
Lots of food for thought.
Do we know what the long term side effects of the vaccine, distinct from any other vaccines, could even be? And whether they would likely be any worse than the potential long term effects of having battled covid?
Exactly and many older people have never stopped going out, don't take the flu vaccine.
I know many older people who have no desire to get the vaccine and don't trust it either. We know NOTHING about what the side effects could be.
How many people have taken these trials?
I’m a little confused by your reply. I am reading it as you agreeing about the side effects of the vaccine and we don’t know, and then above you she is stating about weighing out the options between the effects of CoVID and the vaccine.
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Re: will you take the new covid vaccine ?
Posted by Sash
It's amazing how people don't understand the indirect impact on peoples lives and businesses from this pandemic. Or don't understand business operations.
Overhead costs don't go away because of a virus. These costs trickle every wear from employee salary, rental costs, to loss in marketing and sponsorships for events, etc. Keep in mind of the fact that there has been no more stimulus packages. So every shut down or restriction is one more foot deeper in the grave for businesses. There's a reason food bank lines are running out of food.There is going to be a lot of clean up and harder times. There will be places and events you can't go back to. A vaccine isnt going to be like Boom - back to normal.
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Re: will you take the new covid vaccine ?
Posted by klingklang77
Posted by valentinesbaby48
Posted by seaside
Posted by klingklang77
Posted by MrsS2005
Posted by lululu
Posted by valentinesbaby48
Posted by lululu
The fact of the matter is anyone that is high risk should be willing to take the vaccine. The entire world has shuttered itself to protect the small portion of our population that is high risk. The least they can do is be the first round of recipients of a new vaccine that is not yet proven to not have long term side effects. Then, to the extent that they need a certain % of the population of the population to take it most of us should be willing to do so, for the greater good. I think children should of course be exempt.
So these people should be guinea pigs? They don't matter because they are more at risk?
Yes. Frankly they should. Roll your eyes all you want. It's not that they "don't matter," it's that they are the most susceptible, will benefit most from a successful vaccine, and are the main reason that the rest of the world has been sacrificing for almost a year now. Would you recommend that instead we have children test out the vaccine? Or Young adults that will most likely experience mild symptoms if they get covid? you said yourself you won't get it. Who should then? No one?
I agree. They are the most susceptible to dying or long term serious effects from getting COVID. That’s exactly the population who needs to be protected. The seriousness of the disease, including the long term effects if someone in a high risk group even survives, are far more concerning right now IMO than possible long term effects from the vaccine.
The numbers are out of control in most of the country. If we want to have any hope of returning to some state of normalcy in the future, the majority of people, especially those who are high risk, need to be willing to get the vaccine.
I agree except about the exemption of children, but that’s another topic, so...
The older population aren’t necessarily guinea pigs. The vaccine has been in trials. The ingredients are ingredients that have mostly been used before.
At this point the older generation doesn’t have much choice. Long term effects, if there are any, probably won’t show up in the older population for the simple fact that they are at the end of their lifespan. If they get CoVID, their chances of death increase.
The long term effects of CoVID are still not understood. The older population is at risk of so many other health issues at their age. And now they are sitting home wasting away the last years of their life and not being with family. Or they could go out and risk their chances of catching CoVID. Or they can get a vaccine that will hopefully work. Or they could get lucky, not catch CoVID, not have any other health issues, and live until they’re over 100. Of course, we would want the latter. But doesn’t everyone?
But we never know when it’s our time. I’ll take “vaccines” for 100, Alex.
As for me, this whole pandemic has really got me thinking about how much life I have left to live. I’m tired of being in this situation. I’m lost in a virtual life of Zoom. I’m going to take the vaccine when it is available to me here. I have taken my health for granted. I am terrified of doctors, so I have avoided them as best as I can. The vaccine is the best thing I can do for my health right now.
Lots of food for thought.
Do we know what the long term side effects of the vaccine, distinct from any other vaccines, could even be? And whether they would likely be any worse than the potential long term effects of having battled covid?
Exactly and many older people have never stopped going out, don't take the flu vaccine.
I know many older people who have no desire to get the vaccine and don't trust it either. We know NOTHING about what the side effects could be.
How many people have taken these trials?
I’m a little confused by your reply. I am reading it as you agreeing about the side effects of the vaccine and we don’t know, and then above you she is stating about weighing out the options between the effects of CoVID and the vaccine.
Yes asking about side effects and asking how many people took these trials.
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Re: will you take the new covid vaccine ?
Posted by Sash
It's amazing how people don't understand the indirect impact on peoples lives and businesses from this pandemic. Or don't understand business operations.
Overhead costs don't go away because of a virus. These costs trickle every wear from employee salary, rental costs, to loss in marketing and sponsorships for events, etc. Keep in mind of the fact that there has been no more stimulus packages. So every shut down or restriction is one more foot deeper in the grave for businesses. There's a reason food bank lines are running out of food.There is going to be a lot of clean up and harder times. There will be places and events you can't go back to. A vaccine isnt going to be like Boom - back to normal.
Yep If you think Broadway is just going to come back the second a vaccine is approved, I have a bridge to sell you.
Many of these theaters won't even survive being shut down for a over a year.
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| Posted 11/20/20 9:42 PM |
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Re: will you take the new covid vaccine ?
Posted by klingklang77
Posted by valentinesbaby48
Posted by seaside
Posted by klingklang77
Posted by MrsS2005
Posted by lululu
Posted by valentinesbaby48
Posted by lululu
The fact of the matter is anyone that is high risk should be willing to take the vaccine. The entire world has shuttered itself to protect the small portion of our population that is high risk. The least they can do is be the first round of recipients of a new vaccine that is not yet proven to not have long term side effects. Then, to the extent that they need a certain % of the population of the population to take it most of us should be willing to do so, for the greater good. I think children should of course be exempt.
So these people should be guinea pigs? They don't matter because they are more at risk?
Yes. Frankly they should. Roll your eyes all you want. It's not that they "don't matter," it's that they are the most susceptible, will benefit most from a successful vaccine, and are the main reason that the rest of the world has been sacrificing for almost a year now. Would you recommend that instead we have children test out the vaccine? Or Young adults that will most likely experience mild symptoms if they get covid? you said yourself you won't get it. Who should then? No one?
I agree. They are the most susceptible to dying or long term serious effects from getting COVID. That’s exactly the population who needs to be protected. The seriousness of the disease, including the long term effects if someone in a high risk group even survives, are far more concerning right now IMO than possible long term effects from the vaccine.
The numbers are out of control in most of the country. If we want to have any hope of returning to some state of normalcy in the future, the majority of people, especially those who are high risk, need to be willing to get the vaccine.
I agree except about the exemption of children, but that’s another topic, so...
The older population aren’t necessarily guinea pigs. The vaccine has been in trials. The ingredients are ingredients that have mostly been used before.
At this point the older generation doesn’t have much choice. Long term effects, if there are any, probably won’t show up in the older population for the simple fact that they are at the end of their lifespan. If they get CoVID, their chances of death increase.
The long term effects of CoVID are still not understood. The older population is at risk of so many other health issues at their age. And now they are sitting home wasting away the last years of their life and not being with family. Or they could go out and risk their chances of catching CoVID. Or they can get a vaccine that will hopefully work. Or they could get lucky, not catch CoVID, not have any other health issues, and live until they’re over 100. Of course, we would want the latter. But doesn’t everyone?
But we never know when it’s our time. I’ll take “vaccines” for 100, Alex.
As for me, this whole pandemic has really got me thinking about how much life I have left to live. I’m tired of being in this situation. I’m lost in a virtual life of Zoom. I’m going to take the vaccine when it is available to me here. I have taken my health for granted. I am terrified of doctors, so I have avoided them as best as I can. The vaccine is the best thing I can do for my health right now.
Lots of food for thought.
Do we know what the long term side effects of the vaccine, distinct from any other vaccines, could even be? And whether they would likely be any worse than the potential long term effects of having battled covid?
Exactly and many older people have never stopped going out, don't take the flu vaccine.
I know many older people who have no desire to get the vaccine and don't trust it either. We know NOTHING about what the side effects could be.
How many people have taken these trials?
I’m a little confused by your reply. I am reading it as you agreeing about the side effects of the vaccine and we don’t know, and then above you she is stating about weighing out the options between the effects of CoVID and the vaccine.
I was talking about weighing out our upcoming choices; you're right. Doctors say that battling covid could cause blot clot/aneurysm problems in healthy people, as well as mental and other effects. Have doctors speculated what the long term effects of the vaccine could conceivably be--beyond known adverse effects that we have seen with other vaccines?
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Re: will you take the new covid vaccine ?
Posted by klingklang77
Posted by lululu
Posted by klingklang77
I agree except about the exemption of children, but that’s another topic, so...
Is it another topic? Most of us on this board have children. Children under 10 do not really seem to exhibit any symptoms of COVID and if they do they are extremely mild. They are not at risk when they do get Covid and from what I understand it is still not definitive that they transmit it often. If they are not at risk and they are not super spreaders I do not see why it would be necessary to get this vaccine. Like a flu vaccine this will not provide lifelong immunity. There is no reason for children to be taking the vaccine year after year until they reach the age where they can get and spread the virus which I believe is typically over 10. I do think that teenagers should get it, because they do seem to get and spread it. Maybe I should have clarified what I meant by "children." I would be curious as to why you think they should get it, but frankly if you have never been a parent I think it's hard to relate to why you would not want to give your very young child a very new vaccine.
I do think it is another topic. It has already kind of veered off topic about the older population being guinea pigs.
In addition, the OP stated no debate, and I know the OP’s stance on vaccines from posts a few years ago.
My children are an extension of me so when someone asks me if I would get the vaccine, I immediately also consider if I would let my children get the vaccine. I do not expect you to be able to relate to that as a non parent. Not being snarky, just based on your other posts you do not seem to be able to relate to being a parent.
ETA: I also think it's a little silly to put "no debate" on a chat board.
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Re: will you take the new covid vaccine ?
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Posted by klingklang77
Posted by lululu
Posted by klingklang77
I agree except about the exemption of children, but that’s another topic, so...
Is it another topic? Most of us on this board have children. Children under 10 do not really seem to exhibit any symptoms of COVID and if they do they are extremely mild. They are not at risk when they do get Covid and from what I understand it is still not definitive that they transmit it often. If they are not at risk and they are not super spreaders I do not see why it would be necessary to get this vaccine. Like a flu vaccine this will not provide lifelong immunity. There is no reason for children to be taking the vaccine year after year until they reach the age where they can get and spread the virus which I believe is typically over 10. I do think that teenagers should get it, because they do seem to get and spread it. Maybe I should have clarified what I meant by "children." I would be curious as to why you think they should get it, but frankly if you have never been a parent I think it's hard to relate to why you would not want to give your very young child a very new vaccine.
I do think it is another topic. It has already kind of veered off topic about the older population being guinea pigs.
In addition, the OP stated no debate, and I know the OP’s stance on vaccines from posts a few years ago.
My children are an extension of me so when someone asks me if I would get the vaccine, I immediately also consider if I would let my children get the vaccine. I do not expect you to be able to relate to that as a non parent. Not being snarky, just based on your other posts you do not seem to be able to relate to being a parent.
ETA: I also think it's a little silly to put "no debate" on a chat board.
We ALL know what she means and knows she will be attacked so she is trying to plead the 5th.
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| Posted 11/20/20 11:31 PM |
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Re: will you take the new covid vaccine ?
Posted by valentinesbaby48
Posted by lululu
Posted by klingklang77
Posted by lululu
Posted by klingklang77
I agree except about the exemption of children, but that’s another topic, so...
Is it another topic? Most of us on this board have children. Children under 10 do not really seem to exhibit any symptoms of COVID and if they do they are extremely mild. They are not at risk when they do get Covid and from what I understand it is still not definitive that they transmit it often. If they are not at risk and they are not super spreaders I do not see why it would be necessary to get this vaccine. Like a flu vaccine this will not provide lifelong immunity. There is no reason for children to be taking the vaccine year after year until they reach the age where they can get and spread the virus which I believe is typically over 10. I do think that teenagers should get it, because they do seem to get and spread it. Maybe I should have clarified what I meant by "children." I would be curious as to why you think they should get it, but frankly if you have never been a parent I think it's hard to relate to why you would not want to give your very young child a very new vaccine.
I do think it is another topic. It has already kind of veered off topic about the older population being guinea pigs.
In addition, the OP stated no debate, and I know the OP’s stance on vaccines from posts a few years ago.
My children are an extension of me so when someone asks me if I would get the vaccine, I immediately also consider if I would let my children get the vaccine. I do not expect you to be able to relate to that as a non parent. Not being snarky, just based on your other posts you do not seem to be able to relate to being a parent.
ETA: I also think it's a little silly to put "no debate" on a chat board.
We ALL know what she means and knows she will be attacked so she is trying to plead the 5th.
Wow, really? I don’t want to comment because maybe I learned something. Maybe I’m busy. Maybe I don’t feel like debating. Maybe I am enjoying a day off after a hard few weeks of work.
And now that I won’t, I get an eye roll? What is WRONG with you?
@lululu
You’re right I am not a parent and I don’t want to be. But that doesn’t mean that I cannot feel empathy for the rest of society and concerns for my family. Not being snarky, really.
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Re: will you take the new covid vaccine ?
Posted by klingklang77
Posted by valentinesbaby48
Posted by lululu
Posted by klingklang77
Posted by lululu
Posted by klingklang77
I agree except about the exemption of children, but that’s another topic, so...
Is it another topic? Most of us on this board have children. Children under 10 do not really seem to exhibit any symptoms of COVID and if they do they are extremely mild. They are not at risk when they do get Covid and from what I understand it is still not definitive that they transmit it often. If they are not at risk and they are not super spreaders I do not see why it would be necessary to get this vaccine. Like a flu vaccine this will not provide lifelong immunity. There is no reason for children to be taking the vaccine year after year until they reach the age where they can get and spread the virus which I believe is typically over 10. I do think that teenagers should get it, because they do seem to get and spread it. Maybe I should have clarified what I meant by "children." I would be curious as to why you think they should get it, but frankly if you have never been a parent I think it's hard to relate to why you would not want to give your very young child a very new vaccine.
I do think it is another topic. It has already kind of veered off topic about the older population being guinea pigs.
In addition, the OP stated no debate, and I know the OP’s stance on vaccines from posts a few years ago.
My children are an extension of me so when someone asks me if I would get the vaccine, I immediately also consider if I would let my children get the vaccine. I do not expect you to be able to relate to that as a non parent. Not being snarky, just based on your other posts you do not seem to be able to relate to being a parent.
ETA: I also think it's a little silly to put "no debate" on a chat board.
We ALL know what she means and knows she will be attacked so she is trying to plead the 5th.
Wow, really? I don’t want to comment because maybe I learned something. Maybe I’m busy. Maybe I don’t feel like debating. Maybe I am enjoying a day off after a hard few weeks of work.
And now that I won’t, I get an eye roll? What is WRONG with you?
@lululu
You’re right I am not a parent and I don’t want to be. But that doesn’t mean that I cannot feel empathy for the rest of society and concerns for my family. Not being snarky, really.
Lately I feel like people are ready to jump down others throats at the drop of a hat.
Maybe KlingKlang has said some offensive things in the past (as have many other posters), but in this particular
post, she brought up some valid points and in no way said anything offensive.
I have two children, but as someone who went through years of fertility treatments, I absolutely loathe when parents get smug to non-parents. Having children does not make an individual a superior human being. Donald Trump has 4 kids and I wouldn't consider him an expert on morality and parenting.
People may have different experiences, but that does not mean that they have inability to feel empathy for other individuals. Empathy and kindness are severely lacking this year in particular. 2020 has been a tremendously difficult year for everyone. We don't need to add to the chaos by attacking anyone and everyone.
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| Posted 11/21/20 12:04 AM |
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Re: will you take the new covid vaccine ?
Posted by amac27
Posted by klingklang77
Posted by valentinesbaby48
Posted by lululu
Posted by klingklang77
Posted by lululu
Posted by klingklang77
I agree except about the exemption of children, but that’s another topic, so...
Is it another topic? Most of us on this board have children. Children under 10 do not really seem to exhibit any symptoms of COVID and if they do they are extremely mild. They are not at risk when they do get Covid and from what I understand it is still not definitive that they transmit it often. If they are not at risk and they are not super spreaders I do not see why it would be necessary to get this vaccine. Like a flu vaccine this will not provide lifelong immunity. There is no reason for children to be taking the vaccine year after year until they reach the age where they can get and spread the virus which I believe is typically over 10. I do think that teenagers should get it, because they do seem to get and spread it. Maybe I should have clarified what I meant by "children." I would be curious as to why you think they should get it, but frankly if you have never been a parent I think it's hard to relate to why you would not want to give your very young child a very new vaccine.
I do think it is another topic. It has already kind of veered off topic about the older population being guinea pigs.
In addition, the OP stated no debate, and I know the OP’s stance on vaccines from posts a few years ago.
My children are an extension of me so when someone asks me if I would get the vaccine, I immediately also consider if I would let my children get the vaccine. I do not expect you to be able to relate to that as a non parent. Not being snarky, just based on your other posts you do not seem to be able to relate to being a parent.
ETA: I also think it's a little silly to put "no debate" on a chat board.
We ALL know what she means and knows she will be attacked so she is trying to plead the 5th.
Wow, really? I don’t want to comment because maybe I learned something. Maybe I’m busy. Maybe I don’t feel like debating. Maybe I am enjoying a day off after a hard few weeks of work.
And now that I won’t, I get an eye roll? What is WRONG with you?
@lululu
You’re right I am not a parent and I don’t want to be. But that doesn’t mean that I cannot feel empathy for the rest of society and concerns for my family. Not being snarky, really.
Lately I feel like people are ready to jump down others throats at the drop of a hat.
Maybe KlingKlang has said some offensive things in the past (as have many other posters), but in this particular
post, she brought up some valid points and in no way said anything offensive.
I have two children, but as someone who went through years of fertility treatments, I absolutely loathe when parents get smug to non-parents. Having children does not make an individual a superior human being. Donald Trump has 4 kids and I wouldn't consider him an expert on morality and parenting.
People may have different experiences, but that does not mean that they have inability to feel empathy for other individuals. Empathy and kindness are severely lacking this year in particular. 2020 has been a tremendously difficult year for everyone. We don't need to add to the chaos by attacking anyone and everyone.
The personal attacks are weird and probably come from a place of boredom, weakness, or deficiency, but hopefully, no one takes them seriously. While there are some great people and some great, mind-opening discussion on here, it's still the internet. We don't really know who we are talking to.
The internet is also forever; that fact can escape people. Sometimes, just like in real life, people kind of decide to move along and only engage in productive communications and relationships. No one has to take abuse--ever--and to take abuse or bait from someone who could literally be anyone, and who knows nothing about you--doesn't seem like a good use of time.
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| Posted 11/21/20 12:45 PM |
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Re: will you take the new covid vaccine ?
Posted by amac27
Posted by klingklang77
Posted by valentinesbaby48
Posted by lululu
Posted by klingklang77
Posted by lululu
Posted by klingklang77
I agree except about the exemption of children, but that’s another topic, so...
Is it another topic? Most of us on this board have children. Children under 10 do not really seem to exhibit any symptoms of COVID and if they do they are extremely mild. They are not at risk when they do get Covid and from what I understand it is still not definitive that they transmit it often. If they are not at risk and they are not super spreaders I do not see why it would be necessary to get this vaccine. Like a flu vaccine this will not provide lifelong immunity. There is no reason for children to be taking the vaccine year after year until they reach the age where they can get and spread the virus which I believe is typically over 10. I do think that teenagers should get it, because they do seem to get and spread it. Maybe I should have clarified what I meant by "children." I would be curious as to why you think they should get it, but frankly if you have never been a parent I think it's hard to relate to why you would not want to give your very young child a very new vaccine.
I do think it is another topic. It has already kind of veered off topic about the older population being guinea pigs.
In addition, the OP stated no debate, and I know the OP’s stance on vaccines from posts a few years ago.
My children are an extension of me so when someone asks me if I would get the vaccine, I immediately also consider if I would let my children get the vaccine. I do not expect you to be able to relate to that as a non parent. Not being snarky, just based on your other posts you do not seem to be able to relate to being a parent.
ETA: I also think it's a little silly to put "no debate" on a chat board.
We ALL know what she means and knows she will be attacked so she is trying to plead the 5th.
Wow, really? I don’t want to comment because maybe I learned something. Maybe I’m busy. Maybe I don’t feel like debating. Maybe I am enjoying a day off after a hard few weeks of work.
And now that I won’t, I get an eye roll? What is WRONG with you?
@lululu
You’re right I am not a parent and I don’t want to be. But that doesn’t mean that I cannot feel empathy for the rest of society and concerns for my family. Not being snarky, really.
Lately I feel like people are ready to jump down others throats at the drop of a hat.
Maybe KlingKlang has said some offensive things in the past (as have many other posters), but in this particular
post, she brought up some valid points and in no way said anything offensive.
I have two children, but as someone who went through years of fertility treatments, I absolutely loathe when parents get smug to non-parents. Having children does not make an individual a superior human being. Donald Trump has 4 kids and I wouldn't consider him an expert on morality and parenting.
People may have different experiences, but that does not mean that they have inability to feel empathy for other individuals. Empathy and kindness are severely lacking this year in particular. 2020 has been a tremendously difficult year for everyone. We don't need to add to the chaos by attacking anyone and everyone.
In the case of this particular person, I do think that she has shown that she cannot show empathy towards parents. I am not getting smug. I think that her feelings that children should get the vaccine are largely influenced by the fact that she has no children and has trouble relating to what it is actually like to parent a child. I also would hardly say I am jumping down her throat.
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| Posted 11/21/20 12:50 PM |
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klingklang77
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Re: will you take the new covid vaccine ?
Posted by lululu
Posted by amac27
Posted by klingklang77
Posted by valentinesbaby48
Posted by lululu
Posted by klingklang77
Posted by lululu
Posted by klingklang77
I agree except about the exemption of children, but that’s another topic, so...
Is it another topic? Most of us on this board have children. Children under 10 do not really seem to exhibit any symptoms of COVID and if they do they are extremely mild. They are not at risk when they do get Covid and from what I understand it is still not definitive that they transmit it often. If they are not at risk and they are not super spreaders I do not see why it would be necessary to get this vaccine. Like a flu vaccine this will not provide lifelong immunity. There is no reason for children to be taking the vaccine year after year until they reach the age where they can get and spread the virus which I believe is typically over 10. I do think that teenagers should get it, because they do seem to get and spread it. Maybe I should have clarified what I meant by "children." I would be curious as to why you think they should get it, but frankly if you have never been a parent I think it's hard to relate to why you would not want to give your very young child a very new vaccine.
I do think it is another topic. It has already kind of veered off topic about the older population being guinea pigs.
In addition, the OP stated no debate, and I know the OP’s stance on vaccines from posts a few years ago.
My children are an extension of me so when someone asks me if I would get the vaccine, I immediately also consider if I would let my children get the vaccine. I do not expect you to be able to relate to that as a non parent. Not being snarky, just based on your other posts you do not seem to be able to relate to being a parent.
ETA: I also think it's a little silly to put "no debate" on a chat board.
We ALL know what she means and knows she will be attacked so she is trying to plead the 5th.
Wow, really? I don’t want to comment because maybe I learned something. Maybe I’m busy. Maybe I don’t feel like debating. Maybe I am enjoying a day off after a hard few weeks of work.
And now that I won’t, I get an eye roll? What is WRONG with you?
@lululu
You’re right I am not a parent and I don’t want to be. But that doesn’t mean that I cannot feel empathy for the rest of society and concerns for my family. Not being snarky, really.
Lately I feel like people are ready to jump down others throats at the drop of a hat.
Maybe KlingKlang has said some offensive things in the past (as have many other posters), but in this particular
post, she brought up some valid points and in no way said anything offensive.
I have two children, but as someone who went through years of fertility treatments, I absolutely loathe when parents get smug to non-parents. Having children does not make an individual a superior human being. Donald Trump has 4 kids and I wouldn't consider him an expert on morality and parenting.
People may have different experiences, but that does not mean that they have inability to feel empathy for other individuals. Empathy and kindness are severely lacking this year in particular. 2020 has been a tremendously difficult year for everyone. We don't need to add to the chaos by attacking anyone and everyone.
In the case of this particular person, I do think that she has shown that she cannot show empathy towards parents. I am not getting smug. I think that her feelings that children should get the vaccine are largely influenced by the fact that she has no children and has trouble relating to what it is actually like to parent a child. I also would hardly say I am jumping down her throat.
Excuse me? I absolutely can show empathy towards parents. That’s why I didn’t want to have children. I chose not to have them because I was afraid if something were to go wrong, I wouldn’t be able to deal with it. So, yes, there is so much empathy that I understand I did not want that for myself.
And, no, I do not regret my choice.
I teach young adults. That might be your child someday. I am with them at that stage in their life when they have to really learn to be independent. Right now they aren’t on campus right now, and the campuses are different here and spread out all over the city. Getting lost on the first day and they can’t find their class, a panicked student somehow wound up in my office asking for help. The student with a learning disability who has to now deal with it in the real world without her parents who came up to me afraid to show me her letter of permission she got from the university that she has a learning disability and she’s allowed extra time for exams... I see that all.
I may not be with young children, but there are other adults that will be with your child in different stages of their life. Please don’t tell me I have no empathy.
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Re: will you take the new covid vaccine ?
Posted by klingklang77
Posted by lululu
Posted by amac27
Posted by klingklang77
Posted by valentinesbaby48
Posted by lululu
Posted by klingklang77
Posted by lululu
Posted by klingklang77
I agree except about the exemption of children, but that’s another topic, so...
Is it another topic? Most of us on this board have children. Children under 10 do not really seem to exhibit any symptoms of COVID and if they do they are extremely mild. They are not at risk when they do get Covid and from what I understand it is still not definitive that they transmit it often. If they are not at risk and they are not super spreaders I do not see why it would be necessary to get this vaccine. Like a flu vaccine this will not provide lifelong immunity. There is no reason for children to be taking the vaccine year after year until they reach the age where they can get and spread the virus which I believe is typically over 10. I do think that teenagers should get it, because they do seem to get and spread it. Maybe I should have clarified what I meant by "children." I would be curious as to why you think they should get it, but frankly if you have never been a parent I think it's hard to relate to why you would not want to give your very young child a very new vaccine.
I do think it is another topic. It has already kind of veered off topic about the older population being guinea pigs.
In addition, the OP stated no debate, and I know the OP’s stance on vaccines from posts a few years ago.
My children are an extension of me so when someone asks me if I would get the vaccine, I immediately also consider if I would let my children get the vaccine. I do not expect you to be able to relate to that as a non parent. Not being snarky, just based on your other posts you do not seem to be able to relate to being a parent.
ETA: I also think it's a little silly to put "no debate" on a chat board.
We ALL know what she means and knows she will be attacked so she is trying to plead the 5th.
Wow, really? I don’t want to comment because maybe I learned something. Maybe I’m busy. Maybe I don’t feel like debating. Maybe I am enjoying a day off after a hard few weeks of work.
And now that I won’t, I get an eye roll? What is WRONG with you?
@lululu
You’re right I am not a parent and I don’t want to be. But that doesn’t mean that I cannot feel empathy for the rest of society and concerns for my family. Not being snarky, really.
Lately I feel like people are ready to jump down others throats at the drop of a hat.
Maybe KlingKlang has said some offensive things in the past (as have many other posters), but in this particular
post, she brought up some valid points and in no way said anything offensive.
I have two children, but as someone who went through years of fertility treatments, I absolutely loathe when parents get smug to non-parents. Having children does not make an individual a superior human being. Donald Trump has 4 kids and I wouldn't consider him an expert on morality and parenting.
People may have different experiences, but that does not mean that they have inability to feel empathy for other individuals. Empathy and kindness are severely lacking this year in particular. 2020 has been a tremendously difficult year for everyone. We don't need to add to the chaos by attacking anyone and everyone.
In the case of this particular person, I do think that she has shown that she cannot show empathy towards parents. I am not getting smug. I think that her feelings that children should get the vaccine are largely influenced by the fact that she has no children and has trouble relating to what it is actually like to parent a child. I also would hardly say I am jumping down her throat.
Excuse me? I absolutely can show empathy towards parents. That’s why I didn’t want to have children. I chose not to have them because I was afraid if something were to go wrong, I wouldn’t be able to deal with it. So, yes, there is so much empathy that I understand I did not want that for myself.
And, no, I do not regret my choice.
I teach young adults. That might be your child someday. I am with them at that stage in their life when they have to really learn to be independent. Right now they aren’t on campus right now, and the campuses are different here and spread out all over the city. Getting lost on the first day and they can’t find their class, a panicked student somehow wound up in my office asking for help. The student with a learning disability who has to now deal with it in the real world without her parents who came up to me afraid to show me her letter of permission she got from the university that she has a learning disability and she’s allowed extra time for exams... I see that all.
I may not be with young children, but there are other adults that will be with your child in different stages of their life. Please don’t tell me I have no empathy.
Oh pulease. You attacked parents that they should have been prepared for a pandemic when they had children and then told me to go to hell and to die. Real empathy you have.
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Re: will you take the new covid vaccine ?
Posted by valentinesbaby48
Posted by klingklang77
Posted by lululu
Posted by amac27
Posted by klingklang77
Posted by valentinesbaby48
Posted by lululu
Posted by klingklang77
Posted by lululu
Posted by klingklang77
I agree except about the exemption of children, but that’s another topic, so...
Is it another topic? Most of us on this board have children. Children under 10 do not really seem to exhibit any symptoms of COVID and if they do they are extremely mild. They are not at risk when they do get Covid and from what I understand it is still not definitive that they transmit it often. If they are not at risk and they are not super spreaders I do not see why it would be necessary to get this vaccine. Like a flu vaccine this will not provide lifelong immunity. There is no reason for children to be taking the vaccine year after year until they reach the age where they can get and spread the virus which I believe is typically over 10. I do think that teenagers should get it, because they do seem to get and spread it. Maybe I should have clarified what I meant by "children." I would be curious as to why you think they should get it, but frankly if you have never been a parent I think it's hard to relate to why you would not want to give your very young child a very new vaccine.
I do think it is another topic. It has already kind of veered off topic about the older population being guinea pigs.
In addition, the OP stated no debate, and I know the OP’s stance on vaccines from posts a few years ago.
My children are an extension of me so when someone asks me if I would get the vaccine, I immediately also consider if I would let my children get the vaccine. I do not expect you to be able to relate to that as a non parent. Not being snarky, just based on your other posts you do not seem to be able to relate to being a parent.
ETA: I also think it's a little silly to put "no debate" on a chat board.
We ALL know what she means and knows she will be attacked so she is trying to plead the 5th.
Wow, really? I don’t want to comment because maybe I learned something. Maybe I’m busy. Maybe I don’t feel like debating. Maybe I am enjoying a day off after a hard few weeks of work.
And now that I won’t, I get an eye roll? What is WRONG with you?
@lululu
You’re right I am not a parent and I don’t want to be. But that doesn’t mean that I cannot feel empathy for the rest of society and concerns for my family. Not being snarky, really.
Lately I feel like people are ready to jump down others throats at the drop of a hat.
Maybe KlingKlang has said some offensive things in the past (as have many other posters), but in this particular
post, she brought up some valid points and in no way said anything offensive.
I have two children, but as someone who went through years of fertility treatments, I absolutely loathe when parents get smug to non-parents. Having children does not make an individual a superior human being. Donald Trump has 4 kids and I wouldn't consider him an expert on morality and parenting.
People may have different experiences, but that does not mean that they have inability to feel empathy for other individuals. Empathy and kindness are severely lacking this year in particular. 2020 has been a tremendously difficult year for everyone. We don't need to add to the chaos by attacking anyone and everyone.
In the case of this particular person, I do think that she has shown that she cannot show empathy towards parents. I am not getting smug. I think that her feelings that children should get the vaccine are largely influenced by the fact that she has no children and has trouble relating to what it is actually like to parent a child. I also would hardly say I am jumping down her throat.
Excuse me? I absolutely can show empathy towards parents. That’s why I didn’t want to have children. I chose not to have them because I was afraid if something were to go wrong, I wouldn’t be able to deal with it. So, yes, there is so much empathy that I understand I did not want that for myself.
And, no, I do not regret my choice.
I teach young adults. That might be your child someday. I am with them at that stage in their life when they have to really learn to be independent. Right now they aren’t on campus right now, and the campuses are different here and spread out all over the city. Getting lost on the first day and they can’t find their class, a panicked student somehow wound up in my office asking for help. The student with a learning disability who has to now deal with it in the real world without her parents who came up to me afraid to show me her letter of permission she got from the university that she has a learning disability and she’s allowed extra time for exams... I see that all.
I may not be with young children, but there are other adults that will be with your child in different stages of their life. Please don’t tell me I have no empathy.
Oh pulease. You attacked parents that they should have been prepared for a pandemic when they had children and then told me to go to hell and to die. Real empathy you have.
I didn’t attack parents. If you read above my reasoning for not having children in case something were to go wrong, you would understand. It is something I thought of. It was based on my experiences, that’s all. Nothing wrong with stating my experiences. One of the first things I thought of when this lockdown started was, thank god I didn’t have kids. This whole situation has to really suck for them. I would not be able to handle that.
As to your latter comments, you said such things as I have problems, etc. You are pretty defensive yourself, so this should be something you understand, no?
Message edited 11/21/2020 1:23:10 AM.
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