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Re: Woman sues preschool that her kid isn't getting preped for Harvard
Posted by lipglossjunky73
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I really just want to  at this whole situation.
If the parent paid for a "service" that she didn't get, then I guess there is something to that. Still, I think the pressure placed on a small child to begin private school/Ivy League school prep is out of hand.
However, I think the article is a bit vague...maybe she was placed with two year olds due to a cut off date or because she was having trouble with this rigorous preschool curriculum.
That wouldn't make sense - if there was a cut off date issue, then she would maybe be with 3 yr olds - not kids 2 yrs younger than her...
And if she couldn't keep up with the curriculum, it is unethical to place her in a developmentally inappropriate class. The parents would need to be told about this, there would need to be a discussion about her difficulties and a plan would be put in place. Not decide on their own to put her in a class with kids 2 years younger than her.
Plan, meaning, they either work with the mom to get her ready for Harvard, or plan for her to leave...
I misread something in the article. I thought it said that she was put into a 2 year old class during her first year there as a 3 year old...
Still though, it doesn't say why she was placed with the two year olds. I've heard of children being "held back" before...I didn't know that was unethical. Furthermore, there really are not a whole lot of details explaining the process of putting her into this classroom at all.
There are obviously facts missing from this article.
Like I said, maybe there is something to the fact that she didn't get what she paid for... I just do not agree with the comments that preparation for these colleges begins at that age.
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Re: Woman sues preschool that her kid isn't getting preped for Harvard
That's interesting because I work in a private school and as far as I knew, the ERBs were not administered until the first grade And it's not supposed to be a test that is designed for admittance to schools
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Re: Woman sues preschool that her kid isn't getting preped for Harvard
Posted by JAAMS
Posted by lipglossjunky73
Posted by JAAMS
I really just want to at this whole situation.
If the parent paid for a "service" that she didn't get, then I guess there is something to that. Still, I think the pressure placed on a small child to begin private school/Ivy League school prep is out of hand.
However, I think the article is a bit vague...maybe she was placed with two year olds due to a cut off date or because she was having trouble with this rigorous preschool curriculum.
That wouldn't make sense - if there was a cut off date issue, then she would maybe be with 3 yr olds - not kids 2 yrs younger than her...
And if she couldn't keep up with the curriculum, it is unethical to place her in a developmentally inappropriate class. The parents would need to be told about this, there would need to be a discussion about her difficulties and a plan would be put in place. Not decide on their own to put her in a class with kids 2 years younger than her.
Plan, meaning, they either work with the mom to get her ready for Harvard, or plan for her to leave...
I misread something in the article. I thought it said that she was put into a 2 year old class during her first year there as a 3 year old...
Still though, it doesn't say why she was placed with the two year olds. I've heard of children being "held back" before...I didn't know that was unethical. Furthermore, there really are not a whole lot of details explaining the process of putting her into this classroom at all.
There are obviously facts missing from this article.
Like I said, maybe there is something to the fact that she didn't get what she paid for... I just do not agree with the comments that preparation for these colleges begins at that age.
I'm pretty sure you didn't read it wrong. I think she was 3 when she was put in the 2-year-old classroom.
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Re: Woman sues preschool that her kid isn't getting preped for Harvard
Posted by emilylives
Posted by JAAMS
Posted by lipglossjunky73
Posted by JAAMS
I really just want to at this whole situation.
If the parent paid for a "service" that she didn't get, then I guess there is something to that. Still, I think the pressure placed on a small child to begin private school/Ivy League school prep is out of hand.
However, I think the article is a bit vague...maybe she was placed with two year olds due to a cut off date or because she was having trouble with this rigorous preschool curriculum.
That wouldn't make sense - if there was a cut off date issue, then she would maybe be with 3 yr olds - not kids 2 yrs younger than her...
And if she couldn't keep up with the curriculum, it is unethical to place her in a developmentally inappropriate class. The parents would need to be told about this, there would need to be a discussion about her difficulties and a plan would be put in place. Not decide on their own to put her in a class with kids 2 years younger than her.
Plan, meaning, they either work with the mom to get her ready for Harvard, or plan for her to leave...
I misread something in the article. I thought it said that she was put into a 2 year old class during her first year there as a 3 year old...
Still though, it doesn't say why she was placed with the two year olds. I've heard of children being "held back" before...I didn't know that was unethical. Furthermore, there really are not a whole lot of details explaining the process of putting her into this classroom at all.
There are obviously facts missing from this article.
Like I said, maybe there is something to the fact that she didn't get what she paid for... I just do not agree with the comments that preparation for these colleges begins at that age.
I'm pretty sure you didn't read it wrong. I think she was 3 when she was put in the 2-year-old classroom.
2-year-old classroom could mean she was put with the children that were 2 going on 3 that school year. When I taught pre-school I had the 3-year-old class, but they were turning 4, so we had a mix of 3 and 4-year-olds in that class.
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Re: Woman sues preschool that her kid isn't getting preped for Harvard
I don't understand what's so eye-rollish about it.
If this woman is paying that much money for a specific service that is PROMISED to her by contract, then she should get what she's paying for.
And for the person who said it cousts about the same as daycare, they don't say how long she's there for. Many daycares are for up to 12 hours a day. Preschool is much, much shorter than that.
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Re: Woman sues preschool that her kid isn't getting preped for Harvard
My 4 year old walks out of pre-k eating paste and picking his nose. All for $200/month!!
Harvard, watch out!!!!
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Re: Woman sues preschool that her kid isn't getting preped for Harvard
Oy! Really lady...? People will sue for anything these days, it's pathetic! Can I get a giant eye roll
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Re: Woman sues preschool that her kid isn't getting preped for Harvard
Posted by JennyPenny
I don't understand what's so eye-rollish about it.
If this woman is paying that much money for a specific service that is PROMISED to her by contract, then she should get what she's paying for.
And for the person who said it cousts about the same as daycare, they don't say how long she's there for. Many daycares are for up to 12 hours a day. Preschool is much, much shorter than that.
Totally agree
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Re: Woman sues preschool that her kid isn't getting preped for Harvard
everyone is eye rolling on this thread b/c the MAJORITY of us are not going to spend 19,000 a year on pre school... but you know what? There are plenty of people in Manhattan that DO.
If this woman was paying for a service she wasn't provided with-- WHY EYE ROLL?
Why is it ridiculous for people who are "well off" to spend an obscene amount of money on their child's education?
because WE DON'T?!
And I don't see anywhere that they promised her Harvard, so I don't get where the title of this post comes from...
As far as I know, you have to enroll your unborn child into the Dalton school in Manhattan or else you're SCREWED.
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Re: Woman sues preschool that her kid isn't getting preped for Harvard
Posted by HeathKernandez
everyone is eye rolling on this thread b/c the MAJORITY of us are not going to spend 19,000 a year on pre school... but you know what? There are plenty of people in Manhattan that DO.
If this woman was paying for a service she wasn't provided with-- WHY EYE ROLL?
Why is it ridiculous for people who are "well off" to spend an obscene amount of money on their child's education?
because WE DON'T?!
And I don't see anywhere that they promised her Harvard, so I don't get where the title of this post comes from...
As far as I know, you have to enroll your unborn child into the Dalton school in Manhattan or else you're SCREWED.
Yeah, I'm going to have to agree with you on this one.
And quite honestly, after going to their website and reading the school's mission statement, which they are required to uphold to maintain accreditation, I can tell you that this woman most likely has a perfectly reasonable case on her hands. The boast about test scores and preparing them for "the next level" all over their website. They even list all the "good" private schools their former students have moved onto, so I can see where she's really angry. Would I sue over something like that? No, I wouldn't, but I can see where someone else would.
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Re: Woman sues preschool that her kid isn't getting preped for Harvard
You know what just sucks about this whole thing and really hits a nerve with most people?
It's that a 4 year old isn't a 4 year old anymore. I sat and watched a documentary that followed families on their search for the perfect pre-k in NYC and the enormous pressure these parents put on themselves and their children.
I'm not saying she doesn't have a right to be upset for paying 19K on a school when her 4 year old sat and played all day with 2 year olds. That would piss me off too ...i expect a certain curriculum for a 4 year old class...like liza said earlier, my 4 year old is learning way more than shapes/colors.
But i just feel like in GENERAL schooling for a 4 year old shouldn't be so ...intense. It's kinda sad i feel. I don't quite know how to feel about it. It's almost like you can see the start of lifelong struggle for a lot of these kids where it's pressure to succeed and be the best...and at 4 they haven't even begun to truly develop into the person they want to be. It's emerging of course..but it scares me to think of how affected these little kids are by pressures to succeed at such an early age.
I know my reply is prob topic for another discussion but wanted to add my thoughts!
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Re: Woman sues preschool that her kid isn't getting preped for Harvard
Posted by maybebaby
You know what just sucks about this whole thing and really hits a nerve with most people?
It's that a 4 year old isn't a 4 year old anymore. I sat and watched a documentary that followed families on their search for the perfect pre-k in NYC and the enormous pressure these parents put on themselves and their children.
I'm not saying she doesn't have a right to be upset for paying 19K on a school when her 4 year old sat and played all day with 2 year olds. That would piss me off too ...i expect a certain curriculum for a 4 year old class...like liza said earlier, my 4 year old is learning way more than shapes/colors.
But i just feel like in GENERAL schooling for a 4 year old shouldn't be so ...intense. It's kinda sad i feel. I don't quite know how to feel about it. It's almost like you can see the start of lifelong struggle for a lot of these kids where it's pressure to succeed and be the best...and at 4 they haven't even begun to truly develop into the person they want to be. It's emerging of course..but it scares me to think of how affected these little kids are by pressures to succeed at such an early age.
I know my reply is prob topic for another discussion but wanted to add my thoughts!
I agree completely.
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Re: Woman sues preschool that her kid isn't getting preped for Harvard
Posted by emilylives
Posted by JAAMS
Posted by lipglossjunky73
Posted by JAAMS
I really just want to at this whole situation.
If the parent paid for a "service" that she didn't get, then I guess there is something to that. Still, I think the pressure placed on a small child to begin private school/Ivy League school prep is out of hand.
However, I think the article is a bit vague...maybe she was placed with two year olds due to a cut off date or because she was having trouble with this rigorous preschool curriculum.
That wouldn't make sense - if there was a cut off date issue, then she would maybe be with 3 yr olds - not kids 2 yrs younger than her...
And if she couldn't keep up with the curriculum, it is unethical to place her in a developmentally inappropriate class. The parents would need to be told about this, there would need to be a discussion about her difficulties and a plan would be put in place. Not decide on their own to put her in a class with kids 2 years younger than her.
Plan, meaning, they either work with the mom to get her ready for Harvard, or plan for her to leave...
I misread something in the article. I thought it said that she was put into a 2 year old class during her first year there as a 3 year old...
Still though, it doesn't say why she was placed with the two year olds. I've heard of children being "held back" before...I didn't know that was unethical. Furthermore, there really are not a whole lot of details explaining the process of putting her into this classroom at all.
There are obviously facts missing from this article.
Like I said, maybe there is something to the fact that she didn't get what she paid for... I just do not agree with the comments that preparation for these colleges begins at that age.
I'm pretty sure you didn't read it wrong. I think she was 3 when she was put in the 2-year-old classroom.
Oooh - sorry  I did! But even so, if she was supposed to be put in a specific class, and was held back, the mom shoukld have been told. That is what is unethical...
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Re: Woman sues preschool that her kid isn't getting preped for Harvard
Posted by maybebaby
You know what just sucks about this whole thing and really hits a nerve with most people?
It's that a 4 year old isn't a 4 year old anymore. I sat and watched a documentary that followed families on their search for the perfect pre-k in NYC and the enormous pressure these parents put on themselves and their children.
I'm not saying she doesn't have a right to be upset for paying 19K on a school when her 4 year old sat and played all day with 2 year olds. That would piss me off too ...i expect a certain curriculum for a 4 year old class...like liza said earlier, my 4 year old is learning way more than shapes/colors.
But i just feel like in GENERAL schooling for a 4 year old shouldn't be so ...intense. It's kinda sad i feel. I don't quite know how to feel about it. It's almost like you can see the start of lifelong struggle for a lot of these kids where it's pressure to succeed and be the best...and at 4 they haven't even begun to truly develop into the person they want to be. It's emerging of course..but it scares me to think of how affected these little kids are by pressures to succeed at such an early age.
I know my reply is prob topic for another discussion but wanted to add my thoughts!
I watched the same documentary last week - it was called Nursery University. It got me soooo stressed out. I don't live in NYC, but I am looking for preschools for my ds and I thought, wow, he is going to be way behind these kids!!! My friends in NYC say it is sooo stressful b/c where you go to preschool determines where you go to grade school/high school. It is scary.
As far as someone saying it didn't cost that much - that is only for 9 months and not for full days, so it would be over 2000/month and if you work, you would need to hire a nanny to pick up and take care of the dc the rest of the day.
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Re: Woman sues preschool that her kid isn't getting preped for Harvard
Posted by HeathKernandez
everyone is eye rolling on this thread b/c the MAJORITY of us are not going to spend 19,000 a year on pre school... but you know what? There are plenty of people in Manhattan that DO.
If this woman was paying for a service she wasn't provided with-- WHY EYE ROLL?
Why is it ridiculous for people who are "well off" to spend an obscene amount of money on their child's education?
because WE DON'T?!
And I don't see anywhere that they promised her Harvard, so I don't get where the title of this post comes from...
As far as I know, you have to enroll your unborn child into the Dalton school in Manhattan or else you're SCREWED.
I stand corrected:
“It is no secret that getting a child into the Ivy League starts in nursery school,”
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Re: Woman sues preschool that her kid isn't getting preped for Harvard
watched nursery u as well.
if a school promised something for 19k...they should come close to delivering.
what a city of extremes.
to watch nursery u...then to watch the lottery...insane that this all happens on the same island.
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Re: Woman sues preschool that her kid isn't getting preped for Harvard
Posted by maybebaby
You know what just sucks about this whole thing and really hits a nerve with most people?
It's that a 4 year old isn't a 4 year old anymore. I sat and watched a documentary that followed families on their search for the perfect pre-k in NYC and the enormous pressure these parents put on themselves and their children.
I'm not saying she doesn't have a right to be upset for paying 19K on a school when her 4 year old sat and played all day with 2 year olds. That would piss me off too ...i expect a certain curriculum for a 4 year old class...like liza said earlier, my 4 year old is learning way more than shapes/colors.
But i just feel like in GENERAL schooling for a 4 year old shouldn't be so ...intense. It's kinda sad i feel. I don't quite know how to feel about it. It's almost like you can see the start of lifelong struggle for a lot of these kids where it's pressure to succeed and be the best...and at 4 they haven't even begun to truly develop into the person they want to be. It's emerging of course..but it scares me to think of how affected these little kids are by pressures to succeed at such an early age.
I know my reply is prob topic for another discussion but wanted to add my thoughts!
YOU said this so much better than I did in the Original post. I guess my whole point was that these kids are put in SO much pressure at 4. 4 YEARS OLD!!!!
And if you are wealthy, and in NYC, YOUR world is about what school you get your child in. N mater the cost, time, search and wait. Its ALL about the RIGHT school. So I dont fault them for doing what their culture dictates. To THEM, 19,000 a year ISNT obscene. YOUR world is being able to brag that your unborn child into Dalton. Its crazy to me. But its not my world.
But I just feel for all these kids that are under SO much pressure at 4 to get into the right school.
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