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blu6385
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WWYD/am i wrong : RE: Daycare and food
Couple of weeks ago we got a letter from DD daycare that we are no longer allowed to have outside food brought in and no longer are the allowed to eat breakfast at school (only exception is kids that are there before 8:00 am; daycare provides breakfast) They said they will allow fruit and yougurt.
First let me say i get the whole no peanuts thing I do, i know even in regular school your are not allowed to have peanuts, and i feel for kids that have allergies I do. But the fact that they banned all food annoyed me but i let it go cause i could still bring DD her fruit and yougurt. (I have been considering bringing my own lunches to replace what htey feed her cause i know its not the best brand of food)
well today DD teacher gave me a heads up they are now going to ban all food including fruit except for yougurt and now i am pissed. I find it ridculous i will no longer be able to bring my DD healthy fruit that i know is good for her.
I pay them over 14,000 a year to send her there and i feel if i want to bring her in my own food (with the exception of peanuts) i should be able too.
So I do plan on making a big deal about this. Am I wrong WWYD?
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jam11308
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WWYD/am i wrong : RE: Daycare and food
Did they say why they're banning the food? Is it definitely an allergy related issue?
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| Posted 3/12/13 8:51 AM |
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july4mrsO
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WWYD/am i wrong : RE: Daycare and food
That would annoy me. I get banning peanut related products but how can you ban all fruit?
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| Posted 3/12/13 8:54 AM |
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blu6385
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Re: WWYD/am i wrong : RE: Daycare and food
Posted by jam11308
Did they say why they're banning the food? Is it definitely an allergy related issue?
from what the teacher told me they had an incident with someone bringing peanuts in and a kid being allergic in the class. This did not happen in DD class i think it happened in the Pre K class
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| Posted 3/12/13 8:55 AM |
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summerBaby10
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Re: WWYD/am i wrong : RE: Daycare and food
I would definitely make a big deal of it.
You want your child to eat healthy, good quality foods, not the processed crap they will most likely provide. You also know what your child likes & can send her to daycare with it. What if the school offeres her something she doesn't like? Will she go wthout food all day then?
What will you do if they really go through with this & there is no negotiating with them? Will you change schools? Sorry, I am upset for you because there is only a small window of time where you, the parent, can control what they eat & they are taking that away.
If they are worried about an incident happening again with peanuts, maybe they can check lunches when the kids are dropped off to make sure of no peanuts.
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nycgirl
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Re: WWYD/am i wrong : RE: Daycare and food
It would get me upset at first...
BUT further thinking about it, sounds like other parents can't follow directions (no peanuts). In addition, so many things have nuts IN them, it's hard to keep up. That could realistically result in an injured or dead kid.
The school may be taking a VERY aggressive approach to avoid future incidents. That's a good thing. I'd def. want that if MY kid had the allergy.
They may be open to getting fruits by request for the whole class.
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| Posted 3/12/13 9:15 AM |
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cowgirlkate
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Re: WWYD/am i wrong : RE: Daycare and food
What if you feed organic? I'm sure they are not feeding organic and natural foods...I'd be MAJORLY pissed.
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| Posted 3/12/13 9:17 AM |
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nycgirl
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Re: WWYD/am i wrong : RE: Daycare and food
And to add... they are probably banning the fruits because dried fruits are made most of the time by factories that also process nuts.
So, someone with a severe nut allergy gets exposed to a dried fruit and allergic reaction ensues.
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| Posted 3/12/13 9:21 AM |
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VikingChick
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Re: WWYD/am i wrong : RE: Daycare and food
Here are the
NYS regulations :
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418-1.12 Nutrition
(a) The child day care center must provide plentiful and nutritious snacks to children. The center must ensure that each child in care for more than four hours a day receives a nutritious meal. Each child in care for more than 10 hours must receive a minimum of two nutritious meals. Food must be prepared and stored in a safe and sanitary manner and served at appropriate intervals.
(1) If the child day care center does not furnish meals, there must be adequate supplemental food available in the event that no meal is provided by the parent or if the meal provided by the parent is of inadequate nutritional value.
(2) Centers changing their meal policy must provide adequate notice to parents.
(b) Four weeks of current meal and snack menus, as applicable, must be reviewed for nutritional content, variety and quality at the time of initial application and once every 24 months by a federal Child and Adult Care Food program specialist responsible for reviewing and approving menus, or by a person who has a bachelor's or master's degree with a major in food and institutional management or a closely related field, has completed a dietician internship, or has been certified as a registered dietician or has an equivalent state certification. Current menus for each week must be posted in a place readily accessible to parents and the Office.
(c) Where meals are furnished by the child day care center, food preferences for personal, religious or medical reasons may be accommodated. If resultant meal patterns or serving sizes will not meet the child's nutritional needs, a medical statement must be obtained documenting the appropriateness of the variation.
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First, are they providing sufficient meals for the children? They need 2/10 hours plus snacks. Second, it clearly says that food preferences for personal /medical reasons must be accomodated. If the meals are not working for your DC, maybe you can get your MD to write a note re it? Then they would be required to accommodate your DC's needs.
I hate when daycares implement ridiculous rules. Esp for the amount of money we pay!!!!!!!!!!!
My personal view of the situation is that if they are going to prevent ppl from bringing in outside food, they need to provide breakfast to more kids. Maybe you can suggest this to the director. GL!
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| Posted 3/12/13 9:23 AM |
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blu6385
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Re: WWYD/am i wrong : RE: Daycare and food
Posted by summerBaby10
I would definitely make a big deal of it.
You want your child to eat healthy, good quality foods, not the processed crap they will most likely provide. You also know what your child likes & can send her to daycare with it. What if the school offeres her something she doesn't like? Will she go wthout food all day then?
What will you do if they really go through with this & there is no negotiating with them? Will you change schools? Sorry, I am upset for you because there is only a small window of time where you, the parent, can control what they eat & they are taking that away.
If they are worried about an incident happening again with peanuts, maybe they can check lunches when the kids are dropped off to make sure of no peanuts.
they may offer her something else but DD can be a very picky eater unless its junk food at least with me giving her fruit i know she gets some kind of healthy food in her.
If there is no negotating i may change schools i have a feeling i can find other daycares that probably cost the same amount or maybe even cheaper. I just like this one cause its right across from my job.
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Re: WWYD/am i wrong : RE: Daycare and food
I would be annoyed, but I think schools will be changing to this policy. There are too many children with too many allergies. Parents forget and accidents happen. Ds is in a small school and there are several allergies including peanuts, wheat, sesame etc
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| Posted 3/12/13 9:43 AM |
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Onemoretime
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Re: WWYD/am i wrong : RE: Daycare and food
Posted by nycgirl
And to add... they are probably banning the fruits because dried fruits are made most of the time by factories that also process nuts.
So, someone with a severe nut allergy gets exposed to a dried fruit and allergic reaction ensues.
Ita
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JenMarie
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WWYD/am i wrong : RE: Daycare and food
I would be really annoyed. I actually like that my daycare does not provide meals. I like being able to send DD to school with what I want her to eat. I know what she's getting and how much, but I'm a control freak like that. I understand kids have allergies, and my daycare is nut free, but I know kids with such extreme allergies that there are only a handful of things they can eat. What happens if that kid is in one of the classes? Do they ban all foods except the ones he can eat? It's just a bit extreme I feel.
And furthermore, there is no way I'm going to get DD to eat breakfast before she gets to school at 8. A lot fo the time I'm waking her at 7:30 to get out the door on time. So if I had to wake her earlier for breakfast, causing her to lose even more sleep, and rush her through her meal, that would annoy me too.
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jam11308
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Re: WWYD/am i wrong : RE: Daycare and food
Posted by nycgirl
BUT further thinking about it, sounds like other parents can't follow directions (no peanuts). In addition, so many things have nuts IN them, it's hard to keep up. That could realistically result in an injured or dead kid.
The school may be taking a VERY aggressive approach to avoid future incidents. That's a good thing. I'd def. want that if MY kid had the allergy.
They may be open to getting fruits by request for the whole class.
I agree with this. I'm the parent of a child with life threatening allergies though so to me it would be extra insurance since some parents cannot seem to follow the directions; however, I can certainly see how the parents of kids without food allergies might be put off...
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alli3131
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WWYD/am i wrong : RE: Daycare and food
I guess I am in the minority. I understand the reasonong for it and if it was my child with the allergy I would be glad they were doign something about it.
All the daycares I went to see provide healthy meals. There was always a fruit and veggie offered. If my DS is picky that day and doesn't eat it Oh well.
If they daycare doesn't provide healthy meals to begin with I never would have picked that place.
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Melmel821
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Re: WWYD/am i wrong : RE: Daycare and food
Posted by anskiv
Here are the
NYS regulations :
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418-1.12 Nutrition
(a) The child day care center must provide plentiful and nutritious snacks to children. The center must ensure that each child in care for more than four hours a day receives a nutritious meal. Each child in care for more than 10 hours must receive a minimum of two nutritious meals. Food must be prepared and stored in a safe and sanitary manner and served at appropriate intervals.
(1) If the child day care center does not furnish meals, there must be adequate supplemental food available in the event that no meal is provided by the parent or if the meal provided by the parent is of inadequate nutritional value.
(2) Centers changing their meal policy must provide adequate notice to parents.
(b) Four weeks of current meal and snack menus, as applicable, must be reviewed for nutritional content, variety and quality at the time of initial application and once every 24 months by a federal Child and Adult Care Food program specialist responsible for reviewing and approving menus, or by a person who has a bachelor's or master's degree with a major in food and institutional management or a closely related field, has completed a dietician internship, or has been certified as a registered dietician or has an equivalent state certification. Current menus for each week must be posted in a place readily accessible to parents and the Office.
(c) Where meals are furnished by the child day care center, food preferences for personal, religious or medical reasons may be accommodated. If resultant meal patterns or serving sizes will not meet the child's nutritional needs, a medical statement must be obtained documenting the appropriateness of the variation.
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First, are they providing sufficient meals for the children? They need 2/10 hours plus snacks. Second, it clearly says that food preferences for personal /medical reasons must be accomodated. If the meals are not working for your DC, maybe you can get your MD to write a note re it? Then they would be required to accommodate your DC's needs.
I hate when daycares implement ridiculous rules. Esp for the amount of money we pay!!!!!!!!!!!
My personal view of the situation is that if they are going to prevent ppl from bringing in outside food, they need to provide breakfast to more kids. Maybe you can suggest this to the director. GL!
Unfortunately it says food preferences MAY be accomodated.
I'm not sure how I'd feel. Daycare provides food for DD. I'm feeding her Earth's best organic but they use Gerber. i guess I was bummed but whatever.
To the OP, can you get a copt of the menu. The menu has to be reviewed so is it really that bad they are providing foods? I'm not trying to down play the situation. I totally get why you are upset. But maybe if you see what your child will be eating maybe it will put you at ease. I hope you can find a good solution.
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| Posted 3/12/13 10:32 AM |
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blu6385
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Re: WWYD/am i wrong : RE: Daycare and food
i have a copy of the menu and i am sure but i will confim it meets NYS health standards but that doesnt meant it meets mine and i woudlnt expect any daycare to meet mine.
Right now Im not on the whole organic only food but ceartin things i try to give a better option on.
Ceartin fruit i want to be organic or minmally fresh and not from a can
Daycare buys food in bulk and cheap not great brands. i have seen some of the deliveries.
If i want to ensure she gets something that meets my standards for the at least one snack or meal a day i dont see why i cant have that option.
I dont see it as asking for to much i think it would be asking to much to demand food that meets my standards
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| Posted 3/12/13 10:53 AM |
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Re: WWYD/am i wrong : RE: Daycare and food
Posted by blu6385
I dont see it as asking for to much i think it would be asking to much to demand food that meets my standards
I can see both sides.
My son has allergies to tree nuts, peanuts and sesame. There are lots of things he can't eat. We had one incident where parents brought in treats and one had almond paste in the icing - luckily I was able to smell it before he got hold of it. It's scary! Carrying around an epi pen and benadryl at all times isn't fun or comfortable and it really stinks to have to be in a constant state of worry.
On the other hand, we eat mostly organic and wouldn't want our child getting the majority of their meals using conventional fruit, veggies, meat & dairy. We also wouldn't want our kids eating processed chicken nuggets, pizza, etc on a daily basis. Our oldest is at daycare from 8-5. He has been to 3 daycares (due to moving) and we make sure that we can bring our own food for each.
To be honest, probably the only thing you can do at this point is switch daycare. The safety issue is the bigger liability and no offense, but I'm sure they'd rather lose a client than put someone's life in danger.
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Re: WWYD/am i wrong : RE: Daycare and food
I can see why you are annoyed, but I can see why the school did it. One bad apple spoiled it for the bunch. They cant let one or two irresponsible parents who cant follow a simple rule that is to SAVE THE LIFE OF A CHILD, break it and then cross their fingers and hope no one else does. I think it's a matter of risk vs reward. It sucks that a few irresponsible parents spoiled it for everyone, but I totally get why they had to do it. All it takes is one person not following the rules and someone's baby may not be going home to them. I am with the center on this, even though I can totally see why it sucks for you guys.
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VikingChick
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WWYD/am i wrong : RE: Daycare and food
I still think that if they are going to have the policy of not allowing outside food, they need to start feeding breakfast to the kids who arrive there after 8. Or otherwise accommodate the children who need to be fed!
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Re: WWYD/am i wrong : RE: Daycare and food
Posted by alli3131
I guess I am in the minority. I understand the reasonong for it and if it was my child with the allergy I would be glad they were doign something about it.
All the daycares I went to see provide healthy meals. There was always a fruit and veggie offered. If my DS is picky that day and doesn't eat it Oh well.
If they daycare doesn't provide healthy meals to begin with I never would have picked that place.
Totally agreed.
In this current day, I am surprised any day cares allow outside food. The liability risk is just too high.
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Bridex100
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Re: WWYD/am i wrong : RE: Daycare and food
Our kids go to school 9-3 daily. Their school provides meals and snacks including yogurt and fruit daily.
As a mom of a child with allergies, I personally am glad the school does not allow outside food. Our kids eat fruit before school, after school right when they get home and after dinner. I think they get enough fruit throughout the day. Since the school also serves fruit for snack and with lunch, I'm ok with it.
I do know that certain children who are severely picky eaters and/or have their own special circumstances bring in their own meals. One girl in DS's class last year just refused to eat so her mom would send in yogurt, fruit smoothies, etc.
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| Posted 3/12/13 2:51 PM |
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Re: WWYD/am i wrong : RE: Daycare and food
I think you are absolutely correct to make a stink over this. I would say to them, if I were you, that either they allow you to send in fruit (which obviously is not processed in a plant where nuts are) or they have to revise their menu to incorporate a more balanced meal plan for the children that includes fresh fruits (not canned or dried). Good luck!
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PatsBrat
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Re: WWYD/am i wrong : RE: Daycare and food
I can see both perspectives, but at the end of the day, the center has a right to enforce any rules they want, just like you have a right to send your child somewhere else if you don't agree with the policies.
I chose my kids preschools with many criteria, but an important one was whether or not I could send in their lunch. I was very, very particular about what they ate, the brands of the food (I fed my children all organic food then. Now we are a mostly organic family) and their sugar intake, and wanted all fresh foods whenever possible, so in this case I would've found another center. You can fight, but they are under no obligation to accommodate you.
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| Posted 3/12/13 7:24 PM |
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Re: WWYD/am i wrong : RE: Daycare and food
Most large licensed centers do not allow, and should not allow outside food. It may be hard to understand, and it may seem unfair to kids without allergies, but most don't allow it.
If you bring in cut up melon, put it into a container, and bring it to your child's school..they have no way of knowing of on the same cutting board, you had a made a PB&J and traces of peanuts were then on the melon that was brought into the school. I know it seems like a long shot, but it has happened. And it is SCARY! Some children's allergies are so sensitive.
Times are changing, as sad as it is, and I just think you can never be too sure. If they have made their decision to go this way with outside food, I don't think you making a stink will do too much.
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