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Re: Social Distancing out the window?
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how is anyones kids wearing them for long periods of time?
Do i really just have the worst kids ever?
Every time my kids wear them they are constantly playing with them removing it from thier noses.
All I am doing is telling them to stop touching it.
It drives me crazy and cause them to touch their face more than ever.
Really are my kids the only ones??!! I need to know!!
No you are not the only one. DD does touch it a lot, pull it down to breathe, every time I look at her her nose is exposed. I am constatnly saying, pull it up over your nose! She replies- it IS over my nose. Yeah, the very bottom of your nose, not your whole nose.
Then it's the whole- I can't breathe, it's hot, this is annoying.
So yeah, you aren't alone.
We only wear it in stores. Not out in the wide open outdoors though.
My 8 year old hates it. He was the one who was excited to get one but, you think I am pulling his teeth out.
He only had to wear it to the pediatrician for his well visit too... It was the longest 10 minute wait of my life with him.
We are supposed to fly in August. I am hoping I can cancel and drive as he's going to drive me insane.
glad my kids arent the only one. They complain they cant breath also.
they have only had to wear them for Drs appointments and the couple stores i actually take them in and it was pure torture.
I felt they were better off not wearing the just because they touch their face soo much!!
we do not wear them outside but we also arent anywhere really where we cant social distance and they do not wear them on play dates outside or inside ones!
I wear them and clearly make my kids but I cant freaking wait for the day we can stop!!! This better not be a forever thing!!
Our pool club opened today and we had to wear them into the grounds. They didn't complain to much but, it was hard to find them again when they had to wear them out as they threw them.
My kids fidget with their masks like crazy. I feel like the masks almost make it more likely for kids to get sick, either from coronavirus or just any kind of illness, because they are constantly touching their faces and nose/mouth area while wearing the masks.
I said the same. She has never touched her face more than when wearing a mask
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Re: Social Distancing out the window?
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I'm also confused how there are people who think Covid isn't a real thing. I have seen HCP on TV, etc. reinforcing that it is a real illness and I have no understanding of why that is even necessary. It sounds like a conspiracy theorist's dream come true.
The conspiracy theories I've read on facebook groups and heard from family members are ridiculous. The latest one was that hospitals were putting patients on ventilators unnecessarily knowing they would die because the hospitals were getting extra money for every dead covid patient.
That's crazy talk. Wow.
First of all, the large majority of people in health care go into it to HELP people, not hurt them. Hospital admins can do what they want but ultimately their staff is made of physicians and most admins are physicians and all physicians take the Hippocratic oath so they are all putting their licenses on the line when they make reckless decisions.
Second, setting morality aside, how does it make any business sense for hospitals to exaggerate Covid? They cancelled all elective procedures that make them millions of dollars every year. They scared everyone into avoiding an ER unless it was a dire emergency. Overall hospital consensus has been way down. Even traumas are way down because nobody was going anywhere. To say that hospitals were inflating Covid numbers and over utilizing vents to make an extra buck makes zero business sense. Hospitals are hemorrhaging money right now.
The ignorance of people is alarming.
Yes. One of our customers at work is Texas Children's Hospital. They were laying off a ton of our contractors (non medical) because a lot of their procedures, non emergencies, non Covid related things(and therefore money flow) was way down.
This definitely was not a money maker for the hospitals
So it's actually the opposite for hospitals.
I have heard many different numbers of how much the hospitals got paid from $13,000-$70,000 per day per patient. The higher end was the intubated patients. These numbers coming from nurses and doctors in the hospitals not just random people on the internet. They also can’t pay people because they spent millions of dollars on temporary hospitals they never used.
Curious what do hospitals typically bill per day for someone in ICU on a ventilator? I also highly doubt a nurse is involved with billing at the hospital level.
It really varies on the care the individual patient needs. The bills are itemized so every single thing is on the bill down to a Tylenol. I don't know the daily charge for vent use but usually someone in critical care requires a lot of medical management and all of those are separate charges - fluids, medications, feeding supplements, etc. And of course what is billed is not what is actually paid.
The hosiptial system my husband works for lost money, and that is a figure they shared with non fiannce departments. I don't know if they told them per person costs, but they told them the overall loss because they are trying to save in other areas without laying people off.
It’s my understanding that some hospitals lost money due to stopping all elective surgeries and people being afraid to go to the hospital.
Also, as per someone who is a nurse at A local Nassau county hospital, the avg. amount they received per covid patient was $48,000.
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Re: Social Distancing out the window?
Are we really debaing whether health care professionals are HARMING people, possiby killing them, with unnecessary procedures and treatments---to make extra money for the hospital/system????
Is this actually something that we are giving serious thought or debate to?
I cannot wrap my head around the way in which scientists and healthcare professionals have been maligned, blamed, and harrassed.
Intelligent people should give some thought to how and why this abhorrent animosity started.
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Social Distancing out the window?
I haven't read through all of the posts on this thread. I can tell you that just having a patient lying in a hospital bed, before any treatment, costs approx $5K - $6K per day.
And hospitals (at least the one I work for) are ALWAYS concerned about doing the right thing. The number of meetings and the high level administrators that will attend meetings to discuss concerns about ONE patient and how to best help that patient would astound you.
I've heard some ridiculous conspiracy theories out there, but I can tell you that COVID is REAL and hospitals ARE NOT making sh$t up to "make money". Totally ridiculous!
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Re: Social Distancing out the window?
Posted by chilltocam
I haven't read through all of the posts on this thread. I can tell you that just having a patient lying in a hospital bed, before any treatment, costs approx $5K - $6K per day.
And hospitals (at least the one I work for) are ALWAYS concerned about doing the right thing. The number of meetings and the high level administrators that will attend meetings to discuss concerns about ONE patient and how to best help that patient would astound you.
I've heard some ridiculous conspiracy theories out there, but I can tell you that COVID is REAL and hospitals ARE NOT making sh$t up to "make money". Totally ridiculous!
I can't imagine anyone thinking that.
Yes, hospitals are businesses and they make money.
But they are there to heal and ultimately do what is best for the patient to have a good outcome.
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Re: Social Distancing out the window?
Posted by NervousNell
Posted by chilltocam
I haven't read through all of the posts on this thread. I can tell you that just having a patient lying in a hospital bed, before any treatment, costs approx $5K - $6K per day.
And hospitals (at least the one I work for) are ALWAYS concerned about doing the right thing. The number of meetings and the high level administrators that will attend meetings to discuss concerns about ONE patient and how to best help that patient would astound you.
I've heard some ridiculous conspiracy theories out there, but I can tell you that COVID is REAL and hospitals ARE NOT making sh$t up to "make money". Totally ridiculous!
I can't imagine anyone thinking that.
Yes, hospitals are businesses and they make money.
But they are there to heal and ultimately do what is best for the patient to have a good outcome.
Agreed. I don't think anyone said that they were deliberately doing that but the point is that they do get paid extra for a covid patient.
How are we to know that they were not putting down that a patient had covid when they did not to get the extra funding, just like no one seems to have died from heart attacks or the such in the last few months which padded the numbers of deaths?
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Re: Social Distancing out the window?
Posted by valentinesbaby
Posted by NervousNell
Posted by chilltocam
I haven't read through all of the posts on this thread. I can tell you that just having a patient lying in a hospital bed, before any treatment, costs approx $5K - $6K per day.
And hospitals (at least the one I work for) are ALWAYS concerned about doing the right thing. The number of meetings and the high level administrators that will attend meetings to discuss concerns about ONE patient and how to best help that patient would astound you.
I've heard some ridiculous conspiracy theories out there, but I can tell you that COVID is REAL and hospitals ARE NOT making sh$t up to "make money". Totally ridiculous!
I can't imagine anyone thinking that.
Yes, hospitals are businesses and they make money.
But they are there to heal and ultimately do what is best for the patient to have a good outcome.
Agreed. I don't think anyone said that they were deliberately doing that but the point is that they do get paid extra for a covid patient.
How are we to know that they were not putting down that a patient had covid when they did not to get the extra funding, just like no one seems to have died from heart attacks or the such in the last few months which padded the numbers of deaths?
Hospitals are HIGHLY regulated by numerous state agencies. They don't make up crap just to get $$. And pre-covid, were people "hearing" about "heart attacks and such" on a regular basis? VERY few medical incidents make it to the news or are information that the general public would be aware of
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Re: Social Distancing out the window?
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Are we really debaing whether health care professionals are HARMING people, possiby killing them, with unnecessary procedures and treatments---to make extra money for the hospital/system????
Is this actually something that we are giving serious thought or debate to?
I cannot wrap my head around the way in which scientists and healthcare professionals have been maligned, blamed, and harrassed.
Intelligent people should give some thought to how and why this abhorrent animosity started.
Agreed! It's crazy talk! I work with HCP every day and I have yet to meet someone who is in the business solely for the money. Of the hundreds of doctors I have worked with over the span of my career, I can think of 2 physicians who I did not think should be practicing medicine.
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Re: Social Distancing out the window?
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Posted by NervousNell
Posted by chilltocam
I haven't read through all of the posts on this thread. I can tell you that just having a patient lying in a hospital bed, before any treatment, costs approx $5K - $6K per day.
And hospitals (at least the one I work for) are ALWAYS concerned about doing the right thing. The number of meetings and the high level administrators that will attend meetings to discuss concerns about ONE patient and how to best help that patient would astound you.
I've heard some ridiculous conspiracy theories out there, but I can tell you that COVID is REAL and hospitals ARE NOT making sh$t up to "make money". Totally ridiculous!
I can't imagine anyone thinking that.
Yes, hospitals are businesses and they make money.
But they are there to heal and ultimately do what is best for the patient to have a good outcome.
Agreed. I don't think anyone said that they were deliberately doing that but the point is that they do get paid extra for a covid patient.
How are we to know that they were not putting down that a patient had covid when they did not to get the extra funding, just like no one seems to have died from heart attacks or the such in the last few months which padded the numbers of deaths?
Excuse me?? Providers aren’t deliberately putting Covid as a diagnosis for more money. Even if so, the diagnosis has to still be evident in patients notes and documents to get reimbursed. What you are insinuating is fraud. Providers do not GAF about reimbursement during the heart of this pandemic, there were far graver concerns than this.
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Re: Social Distancing out the window?
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Posted by NervousNell
Posted by chilltocam
I haven't read through all of the posts on this thread. I can tell you that just having a patient lying in a hospital bed, before any treatment, costs approx $5K - $6K per day.
And hospitals (at least the one I work for) are ALWAYS concerned about doing the right thing. The number of meetings and the high level administrators that will attend meetings to discuss concerns about ONE patient and how to best help that patient would astound you.
I've heard some ridiculous conspiracy theories out there, but I can tell you that COVID is REAL and hospitals ARE NOT making sh$t up to "make money". Totally ridiculous!
I can't imagine anyone thinking that.
Yes, hospitals are businesses and they make money.
But they are there to heal and ultimately do what is best for the patient to have a good outcome.
Agreed. I don't think anyone said that they were deliberately doing that but the point is that they do get paid extra for a covid patient.
How are we to know that they were not putting down that a patient had covid when they did not to get the extra funding, just like no one seems to have died from heart attacks or the such in the last few months which padded the numbers of deaths?
Excuse me?? Providers aren’t deliberately putting Covid as a diagnosis for more money. Even if so, the diagnosis has to still be evident in patients notes and documents to get reimbursed. What you are insinuating is fraud. Providers do not GAF about reimbursement during the heart of this pandemic, there were far graver concerns than this.
And there never has, nor never will be fraud? 
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Re: Social Distancing out the window?
Posted by valentinesbaby
Posted by LastLightGlow
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Posted by NervousNell
Posted by chilltocam
I haven't read through all of the posts on this thread. I can tell you that just having a patient lying in a hospital bed, before any treatment, costs approx $5K - $6K per day.
And hospitals (at least the one I work for) are ALWAYS concerned about doing the right thing. The number of meetings and the high level administrators that will attend meetings to discuss concerns about ONE patient and how to best help that patient would astound you.
I've heard some ridiculous conspiracy theories out there, but I can tell you that COVID is REAL and hospitals ARE NOT making sh$t up to "make money". Totally ridiculous!
I can't imagine anyone thinking that.
Yes, hospitals are businesses and they make money.
But they are there to heal and ultimately do what is best for the patient to have a good outcome.
Agreed. I don't think anyone said that they were deliberately doing that but the point is that they do get paid extra for a covid patient.
How are we to know that they were not putting down that a patient had covid when they did not to get the extra funding, just like no one seems to have died from heart attacks or the such in the last few months which padded the numbers of deaths?
Excuse me?? Providers aren’t deliberately putting Covid as a diagnosis for more money. Even if so, the diagnosis has to still be evident in patients notes and documents to get reimbursed. What you are insinuating is fraud. Providers do not GAF about reimbursement during the heart of this pandemic, there were far graver concerns than this.
And there never has, nor never will be fraud?
If healthcare providers were committing fraud in an attempt to recoup what would be an infinitesimal amount compared to what hospitals have lost, they are complete and utter morons who likely would not have been intelligent enough to pass state boards.
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Re: Social Distancing out the window?
I can't evem beieve we are debating this. It's offensive.
Conspiracy theorists and selfish people who won't do what we are being asked to do will be the reason why we shut back down, if we do, and why things like schools can't open up.
Those behind them mean us no good. Those who perpetuate them are tools having their own ignorance and selfishness exploited.
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Re: Social Distancing out the window?
Posted by seaside
Are we really debaing whether health care professionals are HARMING people, possiby killing them, with unnecessary procedures and treatments---to make extra money for the hospital/system????
Is this actually something that we are giving serious thought or debate to?
I cannot wrap my head around the way in which scientists and healthcare professionals have been maligned, blamed, and harrassed.
Intelligent people should give some thought to how and why this abhorrent animosity started.
Because people are loons. People love to jump on anyone and anything that doesn't immediately result in their echo chamber and confirmation biases. The posts on this thread alone are full of conflation, conjecture, and flat-out bullshittt.
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Re: Social Distancing out the window?
Posted by valentinesbaby
Posted by LastLightGlow
Posted by valentinesbaby
Posted by NervousNell
Posted by chilltocam
I haven't read through all of the posts on this thread. I can tell you that just having a patient lying in a hospital bed, before any treatment, costs approx $5K - $6K per day.
And hospitals (at least the one I work for) are ALWAYS concerned about doing the right thing. The number of meetings and the high level administrators that will attend meetings to discuss concerns about ONE patient and how to best help that patient would astound you.
I've heard some ridiculous conspiracy theories out there, but I can tell you that COVID is REAL and hospitals ARE NOT making sh$t up to "make money". Totally ridiculous!
I can't imagine anyone thinking that.
Yes, hospitals are businesses and they make money.
But they are there to heal and ultimately do what is best for the patient to have a good outcome.
Agreed. I don't think anyone said that they were deliberately doing that but the point is that they do get paid extra for a covid patient.
How are we to know that they were not putting down that a patient had covid when they did not to get the extra funding, just like no one seems to have died from heart attacks or the such in the last few months which padded the numbers of deaths?
Excuse me?? Providers aren’t deliberately putting Covid as a diagnosis for more money. Even if so, the diagnosis has to still be evident in patients notes and documents to get reimbursed. What you are insinuating is fraud. Providers do not GAF about reimbursement during the heart of this pandemic, there were far graver concerns than this.
And there never has, nor never will be fraud?
Do you have a source to back up this alleged extra money hospitals are getting in funding For Covid?
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Re: Social Distancing out the window?
Of course doctors all over the world are making this up.
If we stopped testing or if doctors would just stop writing the positive test results down everything would be fine!
absurd people believe this.
I continue to be disappointed by my fellow Americans.
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Re: Social Distancing out the window?
Posted by Mrs213
Posted by valentinesbaby
Posted by LastLightGlow
Posted by valentinesbaby
Posted by NervousNell
Posted by chilltocam
I haven't read through all of the posts on this thread. I can tell you that just having a patient lying in a hospital bed, before any treatment, costs approx $5K - $6K per day.
And hospitals (at least the one I work for) are ALWAYS concerned about doing the right thing. The number of meetings and the high level administrators that will attend meetings to discuss concerns about ONE patient and how to best help that patient would astound you.
I've heard some ridiculous conspiracy theories out there, but I can tell you that COVID is REAL and hospitals ARE NOT making sh$t up to "make money". Totally ridiculous!
I can't imagine anyone thinking that.
Yes, hospitals are businesses and they make money.
But they are there to heal and ultimately do what is best for the patient to have a good outcome.
Agreed. I don't think anyone said that they were deliberately doing that but the point is that they do get paid extra for a covid patient.
How are we to know that they were not putting down that a patient had covid when they did not to get the extra funding, just like no one seems to have died from heart attacks or the such in the last few months which padded the numbers of deaths?
Excuse me?? Providers aren’t deliberately putting Covid as a diagnosis for more money. Even if so, the diagnosis has to still be evident in patients notes and documents to get reimbursed. What you are insinuating is fraud. Providers do not GAF about reimbursement during the heart of this pandemic, there were far graver concerns than this.
And there never has, nor never will be fraud?
Do you have a source to back up this alleged extra money hospitals are getting in funding For Covid?
It has been discussed here or on another thread the numbers and it is easy to google.
The numbers are not 100% it has been established but they do get more.
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Re: Social Distancing out the window?
Putting aside the offensive insinuation that medical professionals are corrupt, in furtherance of "getting more funding" and aren't adhering to the hypocratic oath or any standards of decency, what's the point????
What are we to draw from this theorizing?
That it's over-inflated/not a big deal?
What are we to do with this (mis)information?
How would those spreading it like it to impact our thoughts and actions?
Or is it just random maligning?
This is exhausting.
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