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Pomegranate5
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Re: Childcare payment question
The drive to your house in the morning, and back home in the afternoon are her problem. That is an expense we all bear if we work outside of our home. Welcome to the real world.
But the extra driving in between I agree she should be compensated for.
I would offer to meet in the middle and pay her for an extra half hour.
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Childcare payment question
While I don't think she explained herself correctly, I don't think either she or her parents are wrong.
They should have had that conversation with her before she went to interview the first time. "Listen, you are going to have to factor in that you're driving back and forth twice a day and won't be able to work anywhere else in between". Then she should have explained that to you without the old "my parents said".
But honestly, 19 year olds are far from grown and I would imagine this is her first time negotiating.
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| Posted 10/1/20 1:41 PM |
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2girlsforme
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Re: Childcare payment question
I’d offer her $17 an hour. It shows her that you understand what her concerns are and are willing to factor her situation into the equation. If she said no, I wouldn’t go higher and I’d look for someone else. Good luck!
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| Posted 10/1/20 1:41 PM |
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FirstMate
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Re: Childcare payment question
Posted by BFNY516
Posted by CSK
you're asking her to drive 30 miles round trip, likely 45 minutes to make $15, seems like a crappy situation. 2hrs invested, gas and wear on the car for $15.
Its one thing if you were giving her 4 hrs of work straight, you're killing both ends of her day and having her come back twice. Thats not "normal" commuting.
This. If I’m reading correctly.
Her parents aren’t setting her up for failure. They are teaching a young woman how to advocate for herself and negotiate a deal that is equitable.
Then this isn't the job for her. All of that commuting is part of the position and she was aware when she accepted it. I would not pay her more money (unless you REALLY like her and want to make it work).
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| Posted 10/1/20 2:06 PM |
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MrsBurgos09
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Re: Childcare payment question
I am going to think on it... I am wondering if I found someone from my town would they look for the same traveling compensation... this is a learning process for me as well and I am not offended by her ask per say... and I do think its important that you advocate for yourself absolutely!
I guess what irked me more was we have been talking for a couple of weeks - I was very transparent with my location and was very specific with our needs and the disjointed schedule. He's in school FT - In person. I just don't have a need for her while he is at school... not even for chores and stuff. We could have addressed this concern early on...
Well stay tuned folks!
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| Posted 10/1/20 2:52 PM |
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Re: Childcare payment question
If she is driving 60 miles for $60, I can see her reasonably requesting a higher per hour rate. However, I do not think she framed this inquiry in the right way. Instead of asking for travel compensation, she should have asked for more per hour.
I think it is possible that she threw in the part about her parents because she feels awkward asking for more money.
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| Posted 10/1/20 3:12 PM |
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MsSissy
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Re: Childcare payment question
Posted by MrsBurgos09
I am going to think on it... I am wondering if I found someone from my town would they look for the same traveling compensation... this is a learning process for me as well and I am not offended by her ask per say... and I do think its important that you advocate for yourself absolutely!
I guess what irked me more was we have been talking for a couple of weeks - I was very transparent with my location and was very specific with our needs and the disjointed schedule. He's in school FT - In person. I just don't have a need for her while he is at school... not even for chores and stuff. We could have addressed this concern early on...
Well stay tuned folks!
Can you get someone to do the morning drop off and just use her for afternoon?
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| Posted 10/1/20 4:16 PM |
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RainyDay
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Childcare payment question
Did she actually accept the 1st offer and now she's renegotiating? If not then I see nothing wrong with her asking for more.
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| Posted 10/1/20 4:30 PM |
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ave1024
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Re: Childcare payment question
Posted by MrsBurgos09
Ok so short story is we have been interviewing sitters for before school help approx 1hr help and after school help approx 3hrs. I was all set to book a young lady(19/20) and she just advised me that after discussing with her parents she needs us to factor her wear and tear on vehicle and the time it takes to get to me. She’s about 15-20mina away-15 miles..
So she basically is asking for us to factor in travel time I her hourly wage - which increases our expense by about 100 dollars a week.
Would you do it?
I understand why she’s asking but I feel it’s a bit much.
Posted by MrsBurgos09
So her rate is 15/hr. That was higher than what I wanted but seems to be the starting rate.
I asked her to sign an agreement and it outline our hours and expectations etc.
Do you expect this person to drive just to work for one hour for $15, drive home and then drive back to work another three hours? She was probably eager to get a job at first and her parents told her to wake up and realize that isn't a good agreement at all.
If you are only going to offer a one hour shift, you better find somebody in your neighborhood. Only the most desperate are going to agree to something like that and the moment they find something better (which wouldn't be hard), they will be gone and you will be without a sitter.
If you are going to hold firm on $15/hr, I would either offer an extra hour of travel time or give her enough work where she can work the full day in between the shifts. Or find somebody in walking distance.
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| Posted 10/1/20 5:31 PM |
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ave1024
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Re: Childcare payment question
Posted by nycbuslady
Posted by Hopefulmama
Ordinarily I would say hell no. No one is compensated for their commuting time! However since she technically has to make the trip twice a day (if I read correctly) I might bump up her pay a bit.
I hadn't thought about her making the trip twice. Perhaps in that instance I guess I could understand why she asked. But, it was still ballsy to ask.
See I actually think the opposite. I think its ballsy to expect somebody to drive for 15-20 minutes (up to 40 minutes round trip) to only get paid for one hour's work. That's below minimum wage when that person (classified as a contractor at this point) is factoring in the wear and tear of their vehicle and gas. Who is going to agree to work for below minimum wage?
If I was looking for a sitter and I was expecting somebody to just come for an hour, I would be limiting my search to walking distance or at maximum same zip code.
If you factor in the federal guideline for deducting mileage (56 cents a mile approx), that's $16.80 and she would be working at a net loss.
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MrsBurgos09
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Re: Childcare payment question
Posted by ave1024
Posted by nycbuslady
Posted by Hopefulmama
Ordinarily I would say hell no. No one is compensated for their commuting time! However since she technically has to make the trip twice a day (if I read correctly) I might bump up her pay a bit.
I hadn't thought about her making the trip twice. Perhaps in that instance I guess I could understand why she asked. But, it was still ballsy to ask.
See I actually think the opposite. I think its ballsy to expect somebody to drive for 15-20 minutes (up to 40 minutes round trip) to only get paid for one hour's work. That's below minimum wage when that person (classified as a contractor at this point) is factoring in the wear and tear of their vehicle and gas. Who is going to agree to work for below minimum wage?
If I was looking for a sitter and I was expecting somebody to just come for an hour, I would be limiting my search to walking distance or at maximum same zip code.
If you factor in the federal guideline for deducting mileage (56 cents a mile approx), that's $16.80 and she would be working at a net loss.
So I am going to respond to both your posts here 
This is our first time really interviewing and serious about a sitter ... so I’m new to all this.
I am not going to assume a negative tone in either of your replies. I am in no way trying to be ballsy or sound entitled. Let me be clear I posted on care.com and on a private Facebook group again with the details of the job in addition to speaking with her for a couple a weeks back and forth again ensuring she was clear on the distance and need we have. I even asked if she was ok with the 12 miles one way... I guess after my agreement and further thought and discussion with her parents she changed her mind. It is what it is...I am reassessing the need for a sitter and maybe will have to switch gears.
It’s unfair I think to make it sound like or characterize the hours we are looking for are insufficient - we had extensive conversations about needing more hours weekly based on my work schedule and school closings half days etc. There would be plenty of opportunities for more hours.. as we would use her exclusively.
But everyone’s comments have really opened our mind and been helpful!!
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| Posted 10/1/20 7:17 PM |
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Sash
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Re: Childcare payment question
Posted by MrsBurgos09
Posted by ave1024
Posted by nycbuslady
Posted by Hopefulmama
Ordinarily I would say hell no. No one is compensated for their commuting time! However since she technically has to make the trip twice a day (if I read correctly) I might bump up her pay a bit.
I hadn't thought about her making the trip twice. Perhaps in that instance I guess I could understand why she asked. But, it was still ballsy to ask.
See I actually think the opposite. I think its ballsy to expect somebody to drive for 15-20 minutes (up to 40 minutes round trip) to only get paid for one hour's work. That's below minimum wage when that person (classified as a contractor at this point) is factoring in the wear and tear of their vehicle and gas. Who is going to agree to work for below minimum wage?
If I was looking for a sitter and I was expecting somebody to just come for an hour, I would be limiting my search to walking distance or at maximum same zip code.
If you factor in the federal guideline for deducting mileage (56 cents a mile approx), that's $16.80 and she would be working at a net loss.
So I am going to respond to both your posts here
This is our first time really interviewing and serious about a sitter ... so I’m new to all this.
I am not going to assume a negative tone in either of your replies. I am in no way trying to be ballsy or sound entitled. Let me be clear I posted on care.com and on a private Facebook group again with the details of the job in addition to speaking with her for a couple a weeks back and forth again ensuring she was clear on the distance and need we have. I even asked if she was ok with the 12 miles one way... I guess after my agreement and further thought and discussion with her parents she changed her mind. It is what it is...I am reassessing the need for a sitter and maybe will have to switch gears.
It’s unfair I think to make it sound like or characterize the hours we are looking for are insufficient - we had extensive conversations about needing more hours weekly based on my work schedule and school closings half days etc. There would be plenty of opportunities for more hours.. as we would use her exclusively.
But everyone’s comments have really opened our mind and been helpful!!
You were not wrong or ballsy. Sorry.. she knew the distance when she applied for the job. Heck her parents should’ve said to her is it worth you driving back and forth for the $15/hr during the initial conversation. She could’ve said at the first conversation, sorry but I don’t think $60 is worth it when I factor in my commute. No harm no foul at that point.
I could maybe get on board if she asked for a little bit more an hour or compensation for using the car to pick your kids up from school that late in game. Maybe explain the situation a little better but she clearly didn’t.
The only thing I think you should do is maybe go up a couple dollars an hour if you really liked and trusted her. Find someone else or see if you can make it work. But for the last one make sure this isn’t going to be added stress on you and the family trying to make it work.
Eta: IMO she’s not a child and her parents are doing her a disservice. I probably would’ve told my adult child to decline the job or maybe offer to do it for a month while you found someone else. Since at that point she made you think you had someone.
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| Posted 10/1/20 8:18 PM |
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Mrs213
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Childcare payment question
I don't think what you are looking to pay is unreasonable but the back and forth twice in one day is an inconvenience so I think it might be easier to get an AM person and a PM person.
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| Posted 10/1/20 8:36 PM |
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ave1024
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Re: Childcare payment question
Posted by MrsBurgos09
Posted by ave1024
Posted by nycbuslady
Posted by Hopefulmama
Ordinarily I would say hell no. No one is compensated for their commuting time! However since she technically has to make the trip twice a day (if I read correctly) I might bump up her pay a bit.
I hadn't thought about her making the trip twice. Perhaps in that instance I guess I could understand why she asked. But, it was still ballsy to ask.
See I actually think the opposite. I think its ballsy to expect somebody to drive for 15-20 minutes (up to 40 minutes round trip) to only get paid for one hour's work. That's below minimum wage when that person (classified as a contractor at this point) is factoring in the wear and tear of their vehicle and gas. Who is going to agree to work for below minimum wage?
If I was looking for a sitter and I was expecting somebody to just come for an hour, I would be limiting my search to walking distance or at maximum same zip code.
If you factor in the federal guideline for deducting mileage (56 cents a mile approx), that's $16.80 and she would be working at a net loss.
So I am going to respond to both your posts here
This is our first time really interviewing and serious about a sitter ... so I’m new to all this.
I am not going to assume a negative tone in either of your replies. I am in no way trying to be ballsy or sound entitled. Let me be clear I posted on care.com and on a private Facebook group again with the details of the job in addition to speaking with her for a couple a weeks back and forth again ensuring she was clear on the distance and need we have. I even asked if she was ok with the 12 miles one way... I guess after my agreement and further thought and discussion with her parents she changed her mind. It is what it is...I am reassessing the need for a sitter and maybe will have to switch gears.
It’s unfair I think to make it sound like or characterize the hours we are looking for are insufficient - we had extensive conversations about needing more hours weekly based on my work schedule and school closings half days etc. There would be plenty of opportunities for more hours.. as we would use her exclusively.
But everyone’s comments have really opened our mind and been helpful!!
I think at some point you have to think about it from the other person's point of view. Asking somebody to drive 40 minutes round trip to work one hour and only make $15 is a big ask. I don't think it's entitled. Maybe ballsy wasn't the best word, but bottom line I wouldn't even consider seeing if they would be willing to do it if I knew that would be the situation FOR THEM.
You have to ask yourself are they REALLY going to stick around with that kind of arrangement? For such a job that reliability is key, I would want to make sure the person I have watching my kids is HAPPY. And she is already showing reservation, move on.
I've been in your shoes before and I have posted 2-4 hour a day gig type openings frequently. I always receive TONS of responses from people all over Long Island and Queens (some 1 hour away) when I post openings even despite posting the location of the gig.
I live in Nassau near the Suffolk border. While I had people more than willing to take the job that lived in the far reaches of queens and eastern LI, I never considered them when I felt the commute wouldn't equal the pay. I wanted somebody more local who I know would "appreciate" the job more and not be thinking about "god i hate this commute to only work a few hours a day" type things. And having somebody local will inherently mean they will be more reliable/available and may not be so quick to constantly checking if the grass is greener on the other side.
So if somebody reached out to me first and was willing to commute two hours just to work two hours, I would turn that down and move on to the next applicant. Just my two cents.
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ave1024
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Re: Childcare payment question
Posted by Mrs213
I don't think what you are looking to pay is unreasonable but the back and forth twice in one day is an inconvenience so I think it might be easier to get an AM person and a PM person.
This is a smart idea. Find somebody more local for the one hour and maybe pay the 1 hr person $20 or $25. Then you potentially have backups to call in case one person flakes for a day.
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| Posted 10/1/20 9:36 PM |
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Bonsai
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Childcare payment question
She’s 19. Not 39. So what if she said “my parents said” or didn’t realize all that was involved at the time. She’s learning! Good for her for negotiating bc I still don’t do it at my age pretty well.
Just find someone more local for that price.
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jlm2008
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Re: Childcare payment question
Posted by MsSissy
Posted by CSK
you're asking her to drive 30 miles round trip, likely 45 minutes to make $15, seems like a crappy situation. 2hrs invested, gas and wear on the car for $15.
Its one thing if you were giving her 4 hrs of work straight, you're killing both ends of her day and having her come back twice. Thats not "normal" commuting.
I agree.
I'm also impressed she spoke up and requested what she wants. Never hurts to negotiate. Not sure I could've done that at 19/20.
ITA with both of these. OP would you commute 30 miles for $15? I'd try to find someone local to you.
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| Posted 10/2/20 8:35 AM |
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NYCGirl80
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Re: Childcare payment question
I'm in a very similar situation. While I do not pay my babysitter to travel back and forth, I do pay her $20/hr and round up.
In your case, if you really like the girl, you can put her on a trial for 1 month at $15/hr and then increase her to $20/hr if she works out. I think that's a fair compromise as $15/hr is a pretty low rate. I also think the fact that she's coming in the morning and then again in the afternoon warrants a higher pay per hour.
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Re: Childcare payment question
Many people travel 30 miles for work earning less then $15.00 an hour, I don't necessarily think she should get more for this (even for the one hour of work). I agree with others, I see nothing wrong with her discussing this with her parents. She is 20 yrs old but still might discuss whats going on in her life with them, and yes it's a learning curve, perhaps she should have said, " i was thinking about the offer" vs I spoke to my parents.
In the end it has to work for both. If you're not able to pay more or dont feel like you should have that's you're right.
If you can find a local mom, or re-tired person in the area. go for that
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