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whoababy11
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No, Vaccinated People Are Not ‘Just as Likely’ to Spread the Coronavirus as Unvaccinated People
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No, Vaccinated People Are Not ‘Just as Likely’ to Spread the Coronavirus as Unvaccinated People
Great article. Thank you!
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lmcmcl
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No, Vaccinated People Are Not ‘Just as Likely’ to Spread the Coronavirus as Unvaccinated People
Thank you for posting tis!
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| Posted 9/24/21 10:47 AM |
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mxoxom2004
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No, Vaccinated People Are Not ‘Just as Likely’ to Spread the Coronavirus as Unvaccinated People
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| Posted 9/24/21 1:08 PM |
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mrsrainbow
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No, Vaccinated People Are Not ‘Just as Likely’ to Spread the Coronavirus as Unvaccinated People
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| Posted 9/24/21 1:37 PM |
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Hofstra26
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Re: No, Vaccinated People Are Not ‘Just as Likely’ to Spread the Coronavirus as Unvaccinated People
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jellybean78
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No, Vaccinated People Are Not ‘Just as Likely’ to Spread the Coronavirus as Unvaccinated People
Common sense says if you can get COVID and can spread COVID being vaccinated then you are no different than an unvaccinated person who can also get and spread COVID. Your vaccine literally just protects YOU from getting severely ill and dying..you are not protecting anyone else so stop it.
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| Posted 9/24/21 6:08 PM |
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Raging2020
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No, Vaccinated People Are Not ‘Just as Likely’ to Spread the Coronavirus as Unvaccinated People
“Additionally, for those instances of a vaccinated person getting a breakthrough case, yes, they can be as infectious as an unvaccinated person.“
If we require weekly testing of vaccinated people you would be surprised the amount of breakthrough cases you would see. Contract tracing always seems to stop once it gets to an unvaccinated person….no one ever cares where the unvaccinated person contracted Covid….possibly from a vaccinated person. No one cares….they are the cause. Mind boggling.
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Naturalmama
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Re: No, Vaccinated People Are Not ‘Just as Likely’ to Spread the Coronavirus as Unvaccinated People
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lululu
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Re: No, Vaccinated People Are Not ‘Just as Likely’ to Spread the Coronavirus as Unvaccinated People
I really don't think they have enough data to understand what is going on. First of all, when 70% of the population is fully vaccinated and covid rates are still at an all time high, something seems wrong with that picture. Second, of the people I know that had break through cases, all of them gave it to their unvaccinated, young children. Not the other way around. And I know this is anecdotal and non science based, but it makes complete sense that vaccinated people with asymptomatic or mild cases are in fact spreading covid to non vaccinated people. To think otherwise is completely nonsensical.
Listen, I think that the vaccine certainly has benefits, the most important being what it can do for you and you alone, forget about being contagious. But the amount of provaccine propaganda that is out there is really unnerving.
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| Posted 9/24/21 6:21 PM |
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whoababy11
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Re: No, Vaccinated People Are Not ‘Just as Likely’ to Spread the Coronavirus as Unvaccinated People
I know that nothing rational is going to get through to the hard core anti vaccine people, but try and actually read the article.
Among the unvaccinated, the virus travels unhindered on a highway with multiple off-ramps and refueling stations. In the vaccinated, it gets lost in a maze of dead-end streets and cul-de-sacs. Every so often, it pieces together an escape route, but in most scenarios, it finds itself cut off, and its journey ends. It can go no further.
This is borne out by recent data from New York City that show that more than 96 percent of cases are among the unvaccinated. Only 0.33 percent of fully vaccinated New Yorkers have been diagnosed with COVID-19.
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| Posted 9/24/21 7:16 PM |
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jellybean78
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Re: No, Vaccinated People Are Not ‘Just as Likely’ to Spread the Coronavirus as Unvaccinated People
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I really don't think they have enough data to understand what is going on. First of all, when 70% of the population is fully vaccinated and covid rates are still at an all time high, something seems wrong with that picture. Second, of the people I know that had break through cases, all of them gave it to their unvaccinated, young children. Not the other way around. And I know this is anecdotal and non science based, but it makes complete sense that vaccinated people with asymptomatic or mild cases are in fact spreading covid to non vaccinated people. To think otherwise is completely nonsensical.
Listen, I think that the vaccine certainly has benefits, the most important being what it can do for you and you alone, forget about being contagious. But the amount of provaccine propaganda that is out there is really unnerving.
This!! Thank you!
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jellybean78
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Re: No, Vaccinated People Are Not ‘Just as Likely’ to Spread the Coronavirus as Unvaccinated People
Posted by whoababy11
I know that nothing rational is going to get through to the hard core anti vaccine people, but try and actually read the article.
Among the unvaccinated, the virus travels unhindered on a highway with multiple off-ramps and refueling stations. In the vaccinated, it gets lost in a maze of dead-end streets and cul-de-sacs. Every so often, it pieces together an escape route, but in most scenarios, it finds itself cut off, and its journey ends. It can go no further.
This is borne out by recent data from New York City that show that more than 96 percent of cases are among the unvaccinated. Only 0.33 percent of fully vaccinated New Yorkers have been diagnosed with COVID-19.
I'm not an anti-vaxxer by any stretch of the imagination. I am however a person with common sense and critical thinking skills. I mean I don't know who these people are who are doing the most to try to defend this vaccine and push it, maybe they are stockholders in Pfizer or Moderna, regardless of whatever the FACTS are that there are PLENTY of fully vaccinated people getting and transmitting COVID...these are FACTS.
Just today on ABC on air they pulled two talk show hosts who are fully vaxxed off the set because they tested positive. You're vaxxed, you get covid you can spread it..this isn't fake news or a right wing conspiracy theory these are SCIENTIFIC facts so that makes your fully vaccinated self as much of a risk as someone who is unvaccinated. PERIOD. How does anyone not understand that? I mean reading some of these posts I can see how some cult leaders easily brainwash people.
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Raging2020
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Re: No, Vaccinated People Are Not ‘Just as Likely’ to Spread the Coronavirus as Unvaccinated People
Posted by whoababy11
I know that nothing rational is going to get through to the hard core anti vaccine people, but try and actually read the article.
Among the unvaccinated, the virus travels unhindered on a highway with multiple off-ramps and refueling stations. In the vaccinated, it gets lost in a maze of dead-end streets and cul-de-sacs. Every so often, it pieces together an escape route, but in most scenarios, it finds itself cut off, and its journey ends. It can go no further.
This is borne out by recent data from New York City that show that more than 96 percent of cases are among the unvaccinated. Only 0.33 percent of fully vaccinated New Yorkers have been diagnosed with COVID-19.
What do you think the statistics are going to be when you are mostly testing unvaccinated people? Of course they make up majority of the people.
I’d like to see the percentage if we started requiring vaccinated to be tested weekly.
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ali120206
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No, Vaccinated People Are Not ‘Just as Likely’ to Spread the Coronavirus as Unvaccinated People
I think the article raised some good points but I feel the percentage of breakthrough cases is quite low.
I know a good number of fully vaccinated folks who contracted Covid…
I do feel that there is a difference in spread in areas with lower vaccination rates (as evidenced in my county) but it could also be because so many people in our town are vaccinated and have had covid that there are relatively few cases right now. Two zip codes in our county have 10x the number of cases as our zip code (yes we are a smaller area with a smaller population but their vaccination rates are around 25% compared to where i am which is closer to 70%).
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KarenK122
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No, Vaccinated People Are Not ‘Just as Likely’ to Spread the Coronavirus as Unvaccinated People
There is not enough data to come to this conclusion. People only started getting the shot in February, most not until mid Spring. All I know is that every single person I know that has or recent had Covid has been vaccinated. I did not know one person during the height of the pandemic and now every other day one of my vaccinated friends have tested positive.
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lululu
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Re: No, Vaccinated People Are Not ‘Just as Likely’ to Spread the Coronavirus as Unvaccinated People
Posted by whoababy11
I know that nothing rational is going to get through to the hard core anti vaccine people, but try and actually read the article.
Among the unvaccinated, the virus travels unhindered on a highway with multiple off-ramps and refueling stations. In the vaccinated, it gets lost in a maze of dead-end streets and cul-de-sacs. Every so often, it pieces together an escape route, but in most scenarios, it finds itself cut off, and its journey ends. It can go no further.
This is borne out by recent data from New York City that show that more than 96 percent of cases are among the unvaccinated. Only 0.33 percent of fully vaccinated New Yorkers have been diagnosed with COVID-19.
I read the article. It presents very little scientific data. It's a nice little article trying to explain things in simple terms so that small minded people can understand them. It is sad if people read articles like this and don't understand that they might be taking liberties to get a point across.
And again, the go to is always to refer to people that don't take articles like this at face value as HARD CORE ANTI VAX. Please. Get over it. How many times do people have to say over and over that they are not anti vax. I got the vaccine and I still think this article is a cute little fluff piece to push the vaccine or to give those who got vaccinated to give themselves yet another pat on the back.
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itsbabytime
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Re: No, Vaccinated People Are Not ‘Just as Likely’ to Spread the Coronavirus as Unvaccinated People
Posted by lululu
Posted by whoababy11
I know that nothing rational is going to get through to the hard core anti vaccine people, but try and actually read the article.
Among the unvaccinated, the virus travels unhindered on a highway with multiple off-ramps and refueling stations. In the vaccinated, it gets lost in a maze of dead-end streets and cul-de-sacs. Every so often, it pieces together an escape route, but in most scenarios, it finds itself cut off, and its journey ends. It can go no further.
This is borne out by recent data from New York City that show that more than 96 percent of cases are among the unvaccinated. Only 0.33 percent of fully vaccinated New Yorkers have been diagnosed with COVID-19.
I read the article. It presents very little scientific data. It's a nice little article trying to explain things in simple terms so that small minded people can understand them. It is sad if people read articles like this and don't understand that they might be taking liberties to get a point across.
And again, the go to is always to refer to people that don't take articles like this at face value as HARD CORE ANTI VAX. Please. Get over it. How many times do people have to say over and over that they are not anti vax. I got the vaccine and I still think this article is a cute little fluff piece to push the vaccine or to give those who got vaccinated to give themselves yet another pat on the back.
Totally agree with this. Total fluff article. His story about his cousin where he concluded “Before getting her shots, she would have almost certainly been infected” really makes this article completely hard to take seriously. My friends daughter just had covid. Very symptomatic. They were all quarantined in the house together. No one else got it. None of them were vaccinated (incidentally the child who got covid got it from a play date where 3 out of 4 kids caught covid from the vaccinated mother who thought she just had a cold since she was vaccinated). We all know people in households way before and after the vaccine who were exposed and should have gotten covid but didn’t. That’s one of the hallmarks of this virus they are still trying to understand! And this article uses that as its concluding evidence in support of his argument. Just like lululu said- meaningless fluff.
Doesn’t mean I don’t think the vaccine has positives but this article really doesn’t add anything.
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itsbabytime
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Re: No, Vaccinated People Are Not ‘Just as Likely’ to Spread the Coronavirus as Unvaccinated People
Posted by lululu
I really don't think they have enough data to understand what is going on. First of all, when 70% of the population is fully vaccinated and covid rates are still at an all time high, something seems wrong with that picture. Second, of the people I know that had break through cases, all of them gave it to their unvaccinated, young children. Not the other way around. And I know this is anecdotal and non science based, but it makes complete sense that vaccinated people with asymptomatic or mild cases are in fact spreading covid to non vaccinated people. To think otherwise is completely nonsensical.
Listen, I think that the vaccine certainly has benefits, the most important being what it can do for you and you alone, forget about being contagious. But the amount of provaccine propaganda that is out there is really unnerving.
This. Especially troubling the data collection is now aimed at supporting and promoting the vaccine rather than figuring out real facts to help us get out of this pandemic. I just received an email this week that my school district will be offering voluntary “screening” covid testing (as mandated by the NYS Dept of Health) but here is the kicker it’s ONLY for unvaccinated students. The email clearly states that AS PER the department of health - vaccinated students are NOT allowed to participate. Hmmmm???! What is the point of this voluntary screening exactly?
So soon.... don’t be surprised to see the numbers of the unvaccinated cases in schools versus vaccinated and why we need a vaccine mandate. But let’s think about this logically (and not as a conspiracy) - if schools are mandated to screeen OnLY the unvaccinated students then what do you think the numbers will look like? Wouldn’t it be more helpful to have data on both so we can assess the situation better? To say for example we tested randomly 100 vaccinated and 100 unvaccinated and here are the results? What is the reason to not test the vaccinated students? Have we done any screening like that? This is science 101 that this “experiment” is flawed in its design. Similar to how we don’t even count breakthrough cases anymore but yet advertise that most cases are unvaccinated? How does this make sense!
This should scare everyone! This isn’t about pro or anti vaccine! We are in a novel situation where accuracy and completeness of data and facts is essential! Without an accurate picture and understanding of what is really happening we can never get out of this pandemic as we can see playing out in all of our lives!
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Raging2020
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Re: No, Vaccinated People Are Not ‘Just as Likely’ to Spread the Coronavirus as Unvaccinated People
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Posted by lululu
I really don't think they have enough data to understand what is going on. First of all, when 70% of the population is fully vaccinated and covid rates are still at an all time high, something seems wrong with that picture. Second, of the people I know that had break through cases, all of them gave it to their unvaccinated, young children. Not the other way around. And I know this is anecdotal and non science based, but it makes complete sense that vaccinated people with asymptomatic or mild cases are in fact spreading covid to non vaccinated people. To think otherwise is completely nonsensical.
Listen, I think that the vaccine certainly has benefits, the most important being what it can do for you and you alone, forget about being contagious. But the amount of provaccine propaganda that is out there is really unnerving.
This. Especially troubling the data collection is now aimed at supporting and promoting the vaccine rather than figuring out real facts to help us get out of this pandemic. I just received an email this week that my school district will be offering voluntary “screening” covid testing (as mandated by the NYS Dept of Health) but here is the kicker it’s ONLY for unvaccinated students. The email clearly states that AS PER the department of health - vaccinated students are NOT allowed to participate. Hmmmm???! What is the point of this voluntary screening exactly?
So soon.... don’t be surprised to see the numbers of the unvaccinated cases in schools versus vaccinated and why we need a vaccine mandate. But let’s think about this logically (and not as a conspiracy) - if schools are mandated to screeen OnLY the unvaccinated students then what do you think the numbers will look like?
This should scare everyone! Without an accurate picture of what is really happening we can never get out of this pandemic. Let’s just keep hanging our hopes on a vaccine - the more we vaccinated the cases just keep on
Surging and it’s clear that there is no intention on the part of our leaders to figure out how to get out of this.
Exactly. How people don’t see the manipulation of data is crazy. Without testing vaccinated AND unvaccinated you are not being given accurate information. WHY????? What is the motive behind it?
Why the push to get those vaccinated who statistically won’t be hospitalized - when they can still get and spread Covid. EVERY child I know who had Covid had minor (if any) symptoms. The worst being a 102 fever for 24 hours. Most were asymptomatic.
Science says they won’t be hospitalized…why don’t we follow this science?
Science says vaccinated can get and spread Covid….why aren’t they tested?
Science says the vaccine only lasts # months…wait, we don’t know yet….why isn’t everyone tested?
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The hysteria that ALL unvaccinated people will ABSOLUTELY get sick and possibly die is just ridiculous.
Just another scare tactic that so many people fall for.
It just goes to show how many people are easily influenced and have stopped using common sense.
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Raging2020
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Re: No, Vaccinated People Are Not ‘Just as Likely’ to Spread the Coronavirus as Unvaccinated People
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The hysteria that ALL unvaccinated people will ABSOLUTELY get sick and possibly die is just ridiculous.
Just another scare tactic that so many people fall for.
It just goes to show how many people are easily influenced and have stopped using common sense.
Common sense is gone.
What I don’t get is why places only allow vaccinated people…yet they must wear a mask. What’s the point of only vaccinated people allowed in? Do the masks work or not? Which is it? Common sense is gone …people can’t see the manipulation going on. Until people start thinking logically the government (at all levels) is going to continue to screw with us ….and for what reason?
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Posted by windyweather21
The hysteria that ALL unvaccinated people will ABSOLUTELY get sick and possibly die is just ridiculous.
Just another scare tactic that so many people fall for.
It just goes to show how many people are easily influenced and have stopped using common sense.
Common sense is gone.
What I don’t get is why places only allow vaccinated people…yet they must wear a mask. What’s the point of only vaccinated people allowed in? Do the masks work or not? Which is it? Common sense is gone …people can’t see the manipulation going on. Until people start thinking logically the government (at all levels) is going to continue to screw with us ….and for what reason?
It all makes no sense and people don’t want to face the fact they are being duped and brainwashed and controlled.
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Re: No, Vaccinated People Are Not ‘Just as Likely’ to Spread the Coronavirus as Unvaccinated People
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The hysteria that ALL unvaccinated people will ABSOLUTELY get sick and possibly die is just ridiculous.
Just another scare tactic that so many people fall for.
It just goes to show how many people are easily influenced and have stopped using common sense.
What hysteria and what scare tactics are you finding ? I dont see media claiming all unvaccinated people are severely ill or dying. What media reports is that 90% of the people who are in ICUs now are people who chose not to be vaccinated. This only proves the vaccine is working at reducing illness severity.
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whoababy11
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Re: No, Vaccinated People Are Not ‘Just as Likely’ to Spread the Coronavirus as Unvaccinated People
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Posted by windyweather21
The hysteria that ALL unvaccinated people will ABSOLUTELY get sick and possibly die is just ridiculous.
Just another scare tactic that so many people fall for.
It just goes to show how many people are easily influenced and have stopped using common sense.
What hysteria and what scare tactics are you finding ? I dont see media claiming all unvaccinated people are severely ill or dying. What media reports is that 90% of the people who are in ICUs now are people who chose not to be vaccinated. This only proves the vaccine is working at reducing illness severity.
These people are so hell bent on not getting vaccinated, on doing their own “research” and doubting every fact they hear, that it’s not even worth it to argue with them.
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