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Re: No, Vaccinated People Are Not ‘Just as Likely’ to Spread the Coronavirus as Unvaccinated People
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Mandates for vaccines for infectious diseases are nothing new . The public health has to come first over individual rights as it always has.. Unfortunately people are too ignorant, misinformed, politically motivated or selfish and don't DO THE RIGHT THING. It's unfortunate but herd immunity is necessary to get back to a more normal life.
Yes, ones that have been proven to work and have been tested out and used for many, many years.
You mean like the polio vaccine - which was NEW when that was first available to stop a deadly disease in its tracks?
Do you have data from the year it came out? NONE of us were alive and it was probably about 20 + years out for most people on this board when they got it.
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Re: No, Vaccinated People Are Not ‘Just as Likely’ to Spread the Coronavirus as Unvaccinated People
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I'm in NYC schools and didn't realize LI districts weren't also randomly testing the kids weekly or bi-weekly. Weird.
For the record, I think the testing is dumb. We do have to sign to authorize them to test our child(ren) and I did not give permission. Many people haven't- so they will essentially be testing the same children over and over again....which again, makes no sense. LOL
Interesting. We had a 96% opt in rate.
Testing has given the ability to effectively eliminate quarantine in most cases. I am happy to have my DD spit in a tube if it keeps her in school.
how does random testing eliminate quarantine? We aren't required to quarantine unless your specific student has come into direct contact and not following guidance (3 ft away and masks).
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Re: No, Vaccinated People Are Not ‘Just as Likely’ to Spread the Coronavirus as Unvaccinated People
Posted by whoababy11
Mandates for vaccines for infectious diseases are nothing new . The public health has to come first over individual rights as it always has.. Unfortunately people are too ignorant, misinformed, politically motivated or selfish and don't DO THE RIGHT THING. It's unfortunate but herd immunity is necessary to get back to a more normal life.
No they aren't new but, this would be the first mandate for a vaccine for a respiratory virus. That is constantly evolving.
I don't doubt vaccines - when my son got the chicken pox those vaccinated didn't (I am not anti-vaxx, he wasn't old enough to get it yet).
But the question is - what will it take to get herd immunity? I would think we would be there (and many did once we hit 70%) between the vaccinated and the previously infected.
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Re: No, Vaccinated People Are Not ‘Just as Likely’ to Spread the Coronavirus as Unvaccinated People
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I'm in NYC schools and didn't realize LI districts weren't also randomly testing the kids weekly or bi-weekly. Weird.
For the record, I think the testing is dumb. We do have to sign to authorize them to test our child(ren) and I did not give permission. Many people haven't- so they will essentially be testing the same children over and over again....which again, makes no sense. LOL
Interesting. We had a 96% opt in rate.
Testing has given the ability to effectively eliminate quarantine in most cases. I am happy to have my DD spit in a tube if it keeps her in school.
how does random testing eliminate quarantine? We aren't required to quarantine unless your specific student has come into direct contact and not following guidance (3 ft away and masks).
The combination of testing and masks has made it possible to change the quarantine rules.
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Re: No, Vaccinated People Are Not ‘Just as Likely’ to Spread the Coronavirus as Unvaccinated People
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Posted by whoababy11
Mandates for vaccines for infectious diseases are nothing new . The public health has to come first over individual rights as it always has.. Unfortunately people are too ignorant, misinformed, politically motivated or selfish and don't DO THE RIGHT THING. It's unfortunate but herd immunity is necessary to get back to a more normal life.
No they aren't new but, this would be the first mandate for a vaccine for a respiratory virus. That is constantly evolving.
I don't doubt vaccines - when my son got the chicken pox those vaccinated didn't (I am not anti-vaxx, he wasn't old enough to get it yet).
But the question is - what will it take to get herd immunity? I would think we would be there (and many did once we hit 70%) between the vaccinated and the previously infected.
Wasn't 70% the "magic" number we were told?
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Re: No, Vaccinated People Are Not ‘Just as Likely’ to Spread the Coronavirus as Unvaccinated People
Posted by windyweather21
Posted by chilltocam
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Posted by whoababy11
Mandates for vaccines for infectious diseases are nothing new . The public health has to come first over individual rights as it always has.. Unfortunately people are too ignorant, misinformed, politically motivated or selfish and don't DO THE RIGHT THING. It's unfortunate but herd immunity is necessary to get back to a more normal life.
Yes, ones that have been proven to work and have been tested out and used for many, many years.
You mean like the polio vaccine - which was NEW when that was first available to stop a deadly disease in its tracks?
Do you have data from the year it came out? NONE of us were alive and it was probably about 20 + years out for most people on this board when they got it.
If you look at the polio timeline it was decades from the the first outbreak to testing to giving out to the mass population. Polio vaccine and the Covid shot have absolutely nothing in common.
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Re: No, Vaccinated People Are Not ‘Just as Likely’ to Spread the Coronavirus as Unvaccinated People
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Posted by windyweather21
Posted by chilltocam
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Posted by whoababy11
Mandates for vaccines for infectious diseases are nothing new . The public health has to come first over individual rights as it always has.. Unfortunately people are too ignorant, misinformed, politically motivated or selfish and don't DO THE RIGHT THING. It's unfortunate but herd immunity is necessary to get back to a more normal life.
Yes, ones that have been proven to work and have been tested out and used for many, many years.
You mean like the polio vaccine - which was NEW when that was first available to stop a deadly disease in its tracks?
Do you have data from the year it came out? NONE of us were alive and it was probably about 20 + years out for most people on this board when they got it.
If you look at the polio timeline it was decades from the the first outbreak to testing to giving out to the mass population. Polio vaccine and the Covid shot have absolutely nothing in common.
Exactly, they have NOTHING in common and we all took this vaccine 20 years or more later.
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Re: No, Vaccinated People Are Not ‘Just as Likely’ to Spread the Coronavirus as Unvaccinated People
Posted by Deeluvsvinny
I'm in NYC schools and didn't realize LI districts weren't also randomly testing the kids weekly or bi-weekly. Weird.
For the record, I think the testing is dumb. We do have to sign to authorize them to test our child(ren) and I did not give permission. Many people haven't- so they will essentially be testing the same children over and over again....which again, makes no sense. LOL
I guess it was because of the resistance it got when they first were considering implementing randomly testing.
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Re: No, Vaccinated People Are Not ‘Just as Likely’ to Spread the Coronavirus as Unvaccinated People
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If anything, I want this vaccine even less, due to nasty bitchess like you.
That’s an interesting point to bring about. This is not directed at you Nell, just in general. I’m actually swaying towards mandates for vaccines for kids now. Contrary to popular belief, I get to vote in NY still.
I just got all my stimulus checks now, too, after some additional paperwork. Thanks America! That money mostly will go back to the German economy, lol. Makes no sense, but whatever.
Why for kids though?
What is swaying you towards that?
Yes why? And I don’t think they are something you can vote on. They are imposed by our state dictator, I mean Governor.
ETA - if there was proof that maybe this would end the pandemic it makes sense but… we all know that won’t happen.
I can vote for elected officials who support that.
And why are you for the mandate now when last week you were against it?
It’s kind of complicated to explain. May I ask do they do regular testing over there in schools? Then I can give a better answer.
The NYC schools are the only district in the area that seem to do regular random testing. My children have only needed to be tested if they have had a symptom of Covid (which is pretty much anything that a kid would complain of other than an injury).
From what I see here is that they have this 3G rule. Ge- is a prefix to say the past tense, but it translates as tested, vaccinated, or healed. Since children are not eligible yet for the vaccine (I think the age is 16 right now?), they carry out weekly tests. Masks are mandatory here still, but now it is N95s and surgical masks only.
I work with adults in a private school system (ages 18-22 or so) at the moment. I am very glad to finally be back in the classroom sometimes; I still teach online for public higher education as well. They need to be tested three times a week. It’s a self test, but it is done in class. They can also do tests outside of the class as well, but we have to provide them. If the student is vaccinated, then there is no need for testing at school. It’s a real hassle and it takes up valuable class time.
My point is I am happy with this rule, our numbers are going down and life is back to normal aside from the masks. Also homeschooling is illegal here, so that might cloud my judgment.
I don’t see anything like that (3G rule) happening in the US. I just see no masks for kids, who is paying for this?, no mandates for vaccines and those types of responses. At this point something needs to be done. I would be happy and not want a vaccine mandate if they had regular testing as an option. It seems like nothing is being done.
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Re: No, Vaccinated People Are Not ‘Just as Likely’ to Spread the Coronavirus as Unvaccinated People
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If anything, I want this vaccine even less, due to nasty bitchess like you.
That’s an interesting point to bring about. This is not directed at you Nell, just in general. I’m actually swaying towards mandates for vaccines for kids now. Contrary to popular belief, I get to vote in NY still.
I just got all my stimulus checks now, too, after some additional paperwork. Thanks America! That money mostly will go back to the German economy, lol. Makes no sense, but whatever.
Why for kids though?
What is swaying you towards that?
Yes why? And I don’t think they are something you can vote on. They are imposed by our state dictator, I mean Governor.
ETA - if there was proof that maybe this would end the pandemic it makes sense but… we all know that won’t happen.
I can vote for elected officials who support that.
And why are you for the mandate now when last week you were against it?
It’s kind of complicated to explain. May I ask do they do regular testing over there in schools? Then I can give a better answer.
The NYC schools are the only district in the area that seem to do regular random testing. My children have only needed to be tested if they have had a symptom of Covid (which is pretty much anything that a kid would complain of other than an injury).
From what I see here is that they have this 3G rule. Ge- is a prefix to say the past tense, but it translates as tested, vaccinated, or healed. Since children are not eligible yet for the vaccine (I think the age is 16 right now?), they carry out weekly tests. Masks are mandatory here still, but now it is N95s and surgical masks only.
I work with adults in a private school system (ages 18-22 or so) at the moment. I am very glad to finally be back in the classroom sometimes; I still teach online for public higher education as well. They need to be tested three times a week. It’s a self test, but it is done in class. They can also do tests outside of the class as well, but we have to provide them. If the student is vaccinated, then there is no need for testing at school. It’s a real hassle and it takes up valuable class time.
My point is I am happy with this rule, our numbers are going down and life is back to normal aside from the masks. Also homeschooling is illegal here, so that might cloud my judgment.
I don’t see anything like that (3G rule) happening in the US. I just see no masks for kids, who is paying for this?, no mandates for vaccines and those types of responses. At this point something needs to be done. I would be happy and not want a vaccine mandate if they had regular testing as an option. It seems like nothing is being done.
Pretty sure it is 12 and up for vaccines here and most kids are wearing masks in school (in most states, don't know about all).
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Re: No, Vaccinated People Are Not ‘Just as Likely’ to Spread the Coronavirus as Unvaccinated People
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polio_vaccine
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The first effective polio vaccine was developed in 1952 by Jonas Salk and a team at the University of Pittsburgh that included Julius Youngner, Byron Bennett, L. James Lewis, and Lorraine Friedman, which required years of subsequent testing. Salk went on CBS radio to report a successful test on a small group of adults and children on 26 March 1953; two days later, the results were published in JAMA.[71] Leone N. Farrell invented a key laboratory technique that enabled the mass production of the vaccine by a team she led in Toronto.[83][84] Beginning 23 February 1954, the vaccine was tested at Arsenal Elementary School and the Watson Home for Children in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania.[85]
Salk's vaccine was then used in a test called the Francis Field Trial, led by Thomas Francis, the largest medical experiment in history at that time. The test began with about 4,000 children at Franklin Sherman Elementary School in McLean, Virginia,[86][87] and eventually involved 1.8 million children, in 44 states from Maine to California.[88] By the conclusion of the study, roughly 440,000 received one or more injections of the vaccine, about 210,000 children received a placebo, consisting of harmless culture media, and 1.2 million children received no vaccination and served as a control group, who would then be observed to see if any contracted polio.[44]
The results of the field trial were announced 12 April 1955 (the tenth anniversary of the death of President Franklin D. Roosevelt, whose paralytic illness was generally believed to have been caused by polio). The Salk vaccine had been 60–70% effective against PV1 (poliovirus type 1), over 90% effective against PV2 and PV3, and 94% effective against the development of bulbar polio.[89] Soon after Salk's vaccine was licensed in 1955, children's vaccination campaigns were launched. In the U.S, following a mass immunization campaign promoted by the March of Dimes, the annual number of polio cases fell from 35,000 in 1953 to 5,600 by 1957.[90] By 1961 only 161 cases were recorded in the United States.
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The Cutter vaccine had been used in vaccinating 200,000 children in the western and midwestern United States.[94] Later investigations showed that the Cutter vaccine had caused 40,000 cases of polio, killing 10.[94] In response the Surgeon General pulled all polio vaccines made by Cutter Laboratories from the market, but not before 250 cases of paralytic illness had occurred. Wyeth polio vaccine was also reported to have paralyzed and killed several children. It was soon discovered that some lots of Salk polio vaccine made by Cutter and Wyeth had not been properly inactivated, allowing live poliovirus into more than 100,000 doses of vaccine.
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An enhanced-potency IPV was licensed in the United States in November 1987, and is currently the vaccine of choice there.[19] The first dose of polio vaccine is given shortly after birth, usually between 1 and 2 months of age, and a second dose is given at 4 months of age.[19] The timing of the third dose depends on the vaccine formulation, but should be given between 6 and 18 months of age.[53] A booster vaccination is given at 4 to 6 years of age, for a total of four doses at or before school entry.[20] In some countries, a fifth vaccination is given during adolescence.
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Vaccine discovered in 1952
Tested on children in 1953
Larger test on children in 1954
Licensed in 1955 and distributed to children around the country.
60% to 70% effective for the first strain
90%+ for variants
Salk vaccine was never 100% effective
No mandates in the 1950's
There are newer, more effective polio vaccines now. But the new vaccine needs up to 4 boosters until it's good for the rest of your life.
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Re: No, Vaccinated People Are Not ‘Just as Likely’ to Spread the Coronavirus as Unvaccinated People
Posted by klingklang77
Posted by ali120206
Posted by klingklang77
Posted by ali120206
Posted by klingklang77
Posted by ali120206
Posted by NervousNell
Posted by klingklang77
Posted by NervousNell
If anything, I want this vaccine even less, due to nasty bitchess like you.
That’s an interesting point to bring about. This is not directed at you Nell, just in general. I’m actually swaying towards mandates for vaccines for kids now. Contrary to popular belief, I get to vote in NY still.
I just got all my stimulus checks now, too, after some additional paperwork. Thanks America! That money mostly will go back to the German economy, lol. Makes no sense, but whatever.
Why for kids though?
What is swaying you towards that?
Yes why? And I don’t think they are something you can vote on. They are imposed by our state dictator, I mean Governor.
ETA - if there was proof that maybe this would end the pandemic it makes sense but… we all know that won’t happen.
I can vote for elected officials who support that.
And why are you for the mandate now when last week you were against it?
It’s kind of complicated to explain. May I ask do they do regular testing over there in schools? Then I can give a better answer.
The NYC schools are the only district in the area that seem to do regular random testing. My children have only needed to be tested if they have had a symptom of Covid (which is pretty much anything that a kid would complain of other than an injury).
From what I see here is that they have this 3G rule. Ge- is a prefix to say the past tense, but it translates as tested, vaccinated, or healed. Since children are not eligible yet for the vaccine (I think the age is 16 right now?), they carry out weekly tests. Masks are mandatory here still, but now it is N95s and surgical masks only.
I work with adults in a private school system (ages 18-22 or so) at the moment. I am very glad to finally be back in the classroom sometimes; I still teach online for public higher education as well. They need to be tested three times a week. It’s a self test, but it is done in class. They can also do tests outside of the class as well, but we have to provide them. If the student is vaccinated, then there is no need for testing at school. It’s a real hassle and it takes up valuable class time.
My point is I am happy with this rule, our numbers are going down and life is back to normal aside from the masks. Also homeschooling is illegal here, so that might cloud my judgment.
I don’t see anything like that (3G rule) happening in the US. I just see no masks for kids, who is paying for this?, no mandates for vaccines and those types of responses. At this point something needs to be done. I would be happy and not want a vaccine mandate if they had regular testing as an option. It seems like nothing is being done.
FYI kids are required to wear masks in every school, even young children at daycare starting from 2 years old, same with social distance. Random tests are still a thing in some schools as u can see from other comments. Of course it depends on the state but if I don’t bad remember u’re from NY right? So it’s not like nothing is being done to please some.
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Re: No, Vaccinated People Are Not ‘Just as Likely’ to Spread the Coronavirus as Unvaccinated People
Posted by klingklang77
Posted by ali120206
Posted by klingklang77
Posted by ali120206
Posted by klingklang77
Posted by ali120206
Posted by NervousNell
Posted by klingklang77
Posted by NervousNell
If anything, I want this vaccine even less, due to nasty bitchess like you.
That’s an interesting point to bring about. This is not directed at you Nell, just in general. I’m actually swaying towards mandates for vaccines for kids now. Contrary to popular belief, I get to vote in NY still.
I just got all my stimulus checks now, too, after some additional paperwork. Thanks America! That money mostly will go back to the German economy, lol. Makes no sense, but whatever.
Why for kids though?
What is swaying you towards that?
Yes why? And I don’t think they are something you can vote on. They are imposed by our state dictator, I mean Governor.
ETA - if there was proof that maybe this would end the pandemic it makes sense but… we all know that won’t happen.
I can vote for elected officials who support that.
And why are you for the mandate now when last week you were against it?
It’s kind of complicated to explain. May I ask do they do regular testing over there in schools? Then I can give a better answer.
The NYC schools are the only district in the area that seem to do regular random testing. My children have only needed to be tested if they have had a symptom of Covid (which is pretty much anything that a kid would complain of other than an injury).
From what I see here is that they have this 3G rule. Ge- is a prefix to say the past tense, but it translates as tested, vaccinated, or healed. Since children are not eligible yet for the vaccine (I think the age is 16 right now?), they carry out weekly tests. Masks are mandatory here still, but now it is N95s and surgical masks only.
I work with adults in a private school system (ages 18-22 or so) at the moment. I am very glad to finally be back in the classroom sometimes; I still teach online for public higher education as well. They need to be tested three times a week. It’s a self test, but it is done in class. They can also do tests outside of the class as well, but we have to provide them. If the student is vaccinated, then there is no need for testing at school. It’s a real hassle and it takes up valuable class time.
My point is I am happy with this rule, our numbers are going down and life is back to normal aside from the masks. Also homeschooling is illegal here, so that might cloud my judgment.
I don’t see anything like that (3G rule) happening in the US. I just see no masks for kids, who is paying for this?, no mandates for vaccines and those types of responses. At this point something needs to be done. I would be happy and not want a vaccine mandate if they had regular testing as an option. It seems like nothing is being done.
You don’t see it in the US because you’re not here. My kids are masked. Parents are now being required to test or vaccinate in order to volunteer for things like the book fair and picture day. Some schools in other states are even virtual!
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Re: No, Vaccinated People Are Not ‘Just as Likely’ to Spread the Coronavirus as Unvaccinated People
We havent had testing of students in my district, however, by the end of this week, all teachers have to show proof of vaccination , or get tested weekly. The testing is NOT done at the school, the staff are given limited locations where they have to go on their own time.
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Re: No, Vaccinated People Are Not ‘Just as Likely’ to Spread the Coronavirus as Unvaccinated People
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We havent had testing of students in my district, however, by the end of this week, all teachers have to show proof of vaccination , or get tested weekly. The testing is NOT done at the school, the staff are given limited locations where they have to go on their own time.
Are these 2 options for all schools in NY? I wonder why they’re not given the option for the saliva test?
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Re: No, Vaccinated People Are Not ‘Just as Likely’ to Spread the Coronavirus as Unvaccinated People
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Posted by ali120206
Posted by NervousNell
Posted by klingklang77
Posted by NervousNell
If anything, I want this vaccine even less, due to nasty bitchess like you.
That’s an interesting point to bring about. This is not directed at you Nell, just in general. I’m actually swaying towards mandates for vaccines for kids now. Contrary to popular belief, I get to vote in NY still.
I just got all my stimulus checks now, too, after some additional paperwork. Thanks America! That money mostly will go back to the German economy, lol. Makes no sense, but whatever.
Why for kids though?
What is swaying you towards that?
Yes why? And I don’t think they are something you can vote on. They are imposed by our state dictator, I mean Governor.
ETA - if there was proof that maybe this would end the pandemic it makes sense but… we all know that won’t happen.
I can vote for elected officials who support that.
And why are you for the mandate now when last week you were against it?
It’s kind of complicated to explain. May I ask do they do regular testing over there in schools? Then I can give a better answer.
The NYC schools are the only district in the area that seem to do regular random testing. My children have only needed to be tested if they have had a symptom of Covid (which is pretty much anything that a kid would complain of other than an injury).
From what I see here is that they have this 3G rule. Ge- is a prefix to say the past tense, but it translates as tested, vaccinated, or healed. Since children are not eligible yet for the vaccine (I think the age is 16 right now?), they carry out weekly tests. Masks are mandatory here still, but now it is N95s and surgical masks only.
I work with adults in a private school system (ages 18-22 or so) at the moment. I am very glad to finally be back in the classroom sometimes; I still teach online for public higher education as well. They need to be tested three times a week. It’s a self test, but it is done in class. They can also do tests outside of the class as well, but we have to provide them. If the student is vaccinated, then there is no need for testing at school. It’s a real hassle and it takes up valuable class time.
My point is I am happy with this rule, our numbers are going down and life is back to normal aside from the masks. Also homeschooling is illegal here, so that might cloud my judgment.
I don’t see anything like that (3G rule) happening in the US. I just see no masks for kids, who is paying for this?, no mandates for vaccines and those types of responses. At this point something needs to be done. I would be happy and not want a vaccine mandate if they had regular testing as an option. It seems like nothing is being done.
You don’t see it in the US because you’re not here. My kids are masked. Parents are now being required to test or vaccinate in order to volunteer for things like the book fair and picture day. Some schools in other states are even virtual!
I didn’t say if I saw the actual masks or not. I said I see no masks (unmask the children) as a type of *response.*
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Re: No, Vaccinated People Are Not ‘Just as Likely’ to Spread the Coronavirus as Unvaccinated People
Posted by GoldenRod
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polio_vaccine
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The first effective polio vaccine was developed in 1952 by Jonas Salk and a team at the University of Pittsburgh that included Julius Youngner, Byron Bennett, L. James Lewis, and Lorraine Friedman, which required years of subsequent testing. Salk went on CBS radio to report a successful test on a small group of adults and children on 26 March 1953; two days later, the results were published in JAMA.[71] Leone N. Farrell invented a key laboratory technique that enabled the mass production of the vaccine by a team she led in Toronto.[83][84] Beginning 23 February 1954, the vaccine was tested at Arsenal Elementary School and the Watson Home for Children in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania.[85]
Salk's vaccine was then used in a test called the Francis Field Trial, led by Thomas Francis, the largest medical experiment in history at that time. The test began with about 4,000 children at Franklin Sherman Elementary School in McLean, Virginia,[86][87] and eventually involved 1.8 million children, in 44 states from Maine to California.[88] By the conclusion of the study, roughly 440,000 received one or more injections of the vaccine, about 210,000 children received a placebo, consisting of harmless culture media, and 1.2 million children received no vaccination and served as a control group, who would then be observed to see if any contracted polio.[44]
The results of the field trial were announced 12 April 1955 (the tenth anniversary of the death of President Franklin D. Roosevelt, whose paralytic illness was generally believed to have been caused by polio). The Salk vaccine had been 60–70% effective against PV1 (poliovirus type 1), over 90% effective against PV2 and PV3, and 94% effective against the development of bulbar polio.[89] Soon after Salk's vaccine was licensed in 1955, children's vaccination campaigns were launched. In the U.S, following a mass immunization campaign promoted by the March of Dimes, the annual number of polio cases fell from 35,000 in 1953 to 5,600 by 1957.[90] By 1961 only 161 cases were recorded in the United States.
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The Cutter vaccine had been used in vaccinating 200,000 children in the western and midwestern United States.[94] Later investigations showed that the Cutter vaccine had caused 40,000 cases of polio, killing 10.[94] In response the Surgeon General pulled all polio vaccines made by Cutter Laboratories from the market, but not before 250 cases of paralytic illness had occurred. Wyeth polio vaccine was also reported to have paralyzed and killed several children. It was soon discovered that some lots of Salk polio vaccine made by Cutter and Wyeth had not been properly inactivated, allowing live poliovirus into more than 100,000 doses of vaccine.
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An enhanced-potency IPV was licensed in the United States in November 1987, and is currently the vaccine of choice there.[19] The first dose of polio vaccine is given shortly after birth, usually between 1 and 2 months of age, and a second dose is given at 4 months of age.[19] The timing of the third dose depends on the vaccine formulation, but should be given between 6 and 18 months of age.[53] A booster vaccination is given at 4 to 6 years of age, for a total of four doses at or before school entry.[20] In some countries, a fifth vaccination is given during adolescence.
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Vaccine discovered in 1952
Tested on children in 1953
Larger test on children in 1954
Licensed in 1955 and distributed to children around the country.
60% to 70% effective for the first strain
90%+ for variants
Salk vaccine was never 100% effective
No mandates in the 1950's
There are newer, more effective polio vaccines now. But the new vaccine needs up to 4 boosters until it's good for the rest of your life.
Yes but they were studying polio since the 1920s. It took a long time of trial and error before they discovered the vaccine that was given out to children.
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Re: No, Vaccinated People Are Not ‘Just as Likely’ to Spread the Coronavirus as Unvaccinated People
Posted by Diane
We havent had testing of students in my district, however, by the end of this week, all teachers have to show proof of vaccination , or get tested weekly. The testing is NOT done at the school, the staff are given limited locations where they have to go on their own time.
Do you teach in Nassau/Suffolk? I haven't heard of any district having this rule here requiring all teachers to be vaccinated.
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| Posted 9/28/21 1:54 PM |
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MrsWoods
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No, Vaccinated People Are Not ‘Just as Likely’ to Spread the Coronavirus as Unvaccinated People
Here’s to the person who said consult a doctor for accurate information.
My daughters pediatricians group, which is a group of 3 doctors and one NP, told me when i asked “when the vaccine comes out for 5 and older, do you suggest I get it?” All three said that “it is a personal choice but if you are asking personally we do not suggest it.” I asked “why?” And they feel it is unnecessary for a healthy child in a healthy household. However they will not be surprised if it forced. They also do not like giving covid testing unless necessary but they know some schools require it.
So there is my professional opinion obtained.
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| Posted 9/28/21 2:50 PM |
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BFNY516
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Re: No, Vaccinated People Are Not ‘Just as Likely’ to Spread the Coronavirus as Unvaccinated People
Posted by BargainMama
Posted by Diane
We havent had testing of students in my district, however, by the end of this week, all teachers have to show proof of vaccination , or get tested weekly. The testing is NOT done at the school, the staff are given limited locations where they have to go on their own time.
Do you teach in Nassau/Suffolk? I haven't heard of any district having this rule here requiring all teachers to be vaccinated.
Levittown is making teachers get vaccinated or get tested weekly on their own time. The letter said they can go on lunch and they are due each week.
Reasonable enough, if you ask me.
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NervousNell
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Re: No, Vaccinated People Are Not ‘Just as Likely’ to Spread the Coronavirus as Unvaccinated People
Posted by BFNY516
Posted by BargainMama
Posted by Diane
We havent had testing of students in my district, however, by the end of this week, all teachers have to show proof of vaccination , or get tested weekly. The testing is NOT done at the school, the staff are given limited locations where they have to go on their own time.
Do you teach in Nassau/Suffolk? I haven't heard of any district having this rule here requiring all teachers to be vaccinated.
Levittown is making teachers get vaccinated or get tested weekly on their own time. The letter said they can go on lunch and they are due each week.
Reasonable enough, if you ask me.
So my friend who teaches in Suffolk county said the same. HOWEVER the big thing was not the weekly testing. She was willing to do that. It was the fact that if you are not vaccinated you have to quarantine after exposure at school AND use your own time off.
So 2 quarantines and she said she'd be out of days off.
She said she couldn't risk that.
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Re: No, Vaccinated People Are Not ‘Just as Likely’ to Spread the Coronavirus as Unvaccinated People
Posted by MrsWoods
Here’s to the person who said consult a doctor for accurate information.
My daughters pediatricians group, which is a group of 3 doctors and one NP, told me when i asked “when the vaccine comes out for 5 and older, do you suggest I get it?” All three said that “it is a personal choice but if you are asking personally we do not suggest it.” I asked “why?” And they feel it is unnecessary for a healthy child in a healthy household. However they will not be surprised if it forced. They also do not like giving covid testing unless necessary but they know some schools require it.
So there is my professional opinion obtained.
They must be quacks. Go find another doctor.
Message edited 9/28/2021 3:27:56 PM.
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Re: No, Vaccinated People Are Not ‘Just as Likely’ to Spread the Coronavirus as Unvaccinated People
Posted by NervousNell
Posted by MrsWoods
Here’s to the person who said consult a doctor for accurate information.
My daughters pediatricians group, which is a group of 3 doctors and one NP, told me when i asked “when the vaccine comes out for 5 and older, do you suggest I get it?” All three said that “it is a personal choice but if you are asking personally we do not suggest it.” I asked “why?” And they feel it is unnecessary for a healthy child in a healthy household. However they will not be surprised if it forced. They also do not like giving covid testing unless necessary but they know some schools require it.
So there is my professional opinion obtained.
They must be quacks. Go find another doctor.
She must be lying. Just like my doctor was when she told me not to rush to get it since I’m “low risk”.
I’d ask my kids pediatrician but as you can see on my other post I can’t see them lol
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whoababy11
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Re: No, Vaccinated People Are Not ‘Just as Likely’ to Spread the Coronavirus as Unvaccinated People
Posted by NervousNell
Posted by MrsWoods
Here’s to the person who said consult a doctor for accurate information.
My daughters pediatricians group, which is a group of 3 doctors and one NP, told me when i asked “when the vaccine comes out for 5 and older, do you suggest I get it?” All three said that “it is a personal choice but if you are asking personally we do not suggest it.” I asked “why?” And they feel it is unnecessary for a healthy child in a healthy household. However they will not be surprised if it forced. They also do not like giving covid testing unless necessary but they know some schools require it.
So there is my professional opinion obtained.
They must be quacks. Go find another doctor.
And my pediatrician said the EXACT opposite thing yesterday when I asked her. She said “absolutely get the vaccine for your kids.” She vaccinated her own child and has plans to vaccinate the others when it’s available.
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NervousNell
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Re: No, Vaccinated People Are Not ‘Just as Likely’ to Spread the Coronavirus as Unvaccinated People
Posted by whoababy11
Posted by NervousNell
Posted by MrsWoods
Here’s to the person who said consult a doctor for accurate information.
My daughters pediatricians group, which is a group of 3 doctors and one NP, told me when i asked “when the vaccine comes out for 5 and older, do you suggest I get it?” All three said that “it is a personal choice but if you are asking personally we do not suggest it.” I asked “why?” And they feel it is unnecessary for a healthy child in a healthy household. However they will not be surprised if it forced. They also do not like giving covid testing unless necessary but they know some schools require it.
So there is my professional opinion obtained.
They must be quacks. Go find another doctor.
And my pediatrician said the EXACT opposite thing yesterday when I asked her. She said “absolutely get the vaccine for your kids.” She vaccinated her own child and has plans to vaccinate the others when it’s available.
Not all doctors think with the same brain.
That's why people get second opinions.
Each doctor may have their own take on things.
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