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KarenK122
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Re: Healthcare workers
Posted by Sash
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Posted by Sash
Posted by mrsrainbow
Posted by KarenK122
Posted by BFNY516
Posted by KarenK122
Since it was only yesterday the mandate took effect, it will probably be a while before we see any major issues. Personally I think it was a big slap in the face to every single health worker who worked tirelessly through the Pandemic to be given this ultimatum.
I’m wondering how it shakes out. I saw over 96% of practicing physicians reported to be fully vaccinated as of June and like 88% of nurses. It sounds like most ARE vaccinated from what I’ve been reading.
I agree. I think the vast majority are vaccinated. It was a terrible position to put them in though.
No it's not It's their job. They know the requirements. They want to willingly put people at risk and thats unacceptable. Let them go find new jobs. Let them see that their fringe ideology will only keep them in the minority.
How are they putting people at risk?
Oh good grief.
Answer the question since the vaccine does not stop people from getting or spreading Covid. So how about you answer it since it seems like no one ever does.
Exactly.
These are the same workers who handled the overcrowded hospitals in Spring 2020. They weren't vaccinated then, what has changed. So it was fine for them to risk their lives while the rest of us were in lockdown but now because a "vaccine" came out they need to get it or lose their jobs. It is assinine.
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Re: Healthcare workers
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Posted by Sash
Posted by mommy2devin
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Posted by soontobemommyof2
Posted by tray831
It's probably too soon to see a difference just yet since today is Day 2.
Honestly, I think its an awful position to be in to make that decision. It really isn't fair....sorry to those that disagree.
I have a friend who works in the Healthcare industry and she was 10000% against it. But she is single and lives on her own and couldn't afford being fired so she had to get it. Of course, she got the shot and was sick as a dog.
I do give Kudos to those that are standing up for themselves and can actually afford to do so.
Many can't. 
Butttt like some from this forum love to point out...she had a “choice”. 
It is a choice!!! You may not like your choice but it’s still a choice. Want to know what it’s like to not have a choice
Move to North Korea or Afghanistan where you really don’t have a choice.
Listen I go back and forth on the mandate but at the end of the day I land on let everyone make their own choice and face whatever consequences they may or may not get from that choice. Don’t vaccinate get the virus get sick and die it’s on you. Get vaccinated get side effects it’s on you.
But no one can sit there and say we don’t have a choice!! And no can sit and say this country was ever truly a country where we were free to do what we want . We have always had laws and rules. ans every time a meeting one is Intordcued you will have people complaining!
100%
A mandate does not give you a choice. This is such a dumb statement or defense.
Why do people need to be forced to take this vaccine if it doesn't truly stop the spread??? Why could these medical workers work during the height of the pandemic without a vaccine but cant work now? What a slap in the face. I guess they aren't heroes anymore. I think this is what really upsets me about thus mandate. Its hypocritical and I hate hypocrisy.
If the transmission rate was low then I would understand this mandate but the vaccine does not stop people from getting the virus nor does it stop the transmission. So what is the point if it isn't going to actually protect other staff and patients?
I feel like even the flu shot works better at stopping people from getting the flu and transmission then this vaccine.
It’s mandated for a job or to do things it’s still a choice. Get it or don’t work there. Or don’t attend events. Is it a good choice ? No. Does it suck ? Yes!! But it still A choice and that’s the point.
THis is a very slippery slope though because if you are going to hang your hat on things being a choice, I could say if you live in the state of texas and you know it's difficult to obtain a safe and legal abortion, you have a choice not to have sex.
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NervousNell
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Re: Healthcare workers
Posted by Sash
Posted by mrsrainbow
Posted by Sash
Posted by mrsrainbow
Posted by KarenK122
Posted by BFNY516
Posted by KarenK122
Since it was only yesterday the mandate took effect, it will probably be a while before we see any major issues. Personally I think it was a big slap in the face to every single health worker who worked tirelessly through the Pandemic to be given this ultimatum.
I’m wondering how it shakes out. I saw over 96% of practicing physicians reported to be fully vaccinated as of June and like 88% of nurses. It sounds like most ARE vaccinated from what I’ve been reading.
I agree. I think the vast majority are vaccinated. It was a terrible position to put them in though.
No it's not It's their job. They know the requirements. They want to willingly put people at risk and thats unacceptable. Let them go find new jobs. Let them see that their fringe ideology will only keep them in the minority.
How are they putting people at risk?
Oh good grief.
Answer the question since the vaccine does not stop people from getting or spreading Covid. So how about you answer it since it seems like no one ever does, instead of putting a stupid ass remark. This is why people can’t have a civil conversation around here.
There is no answer so they resort to things like- oh good grief
To make is seem like you are just too stupid to understand.
But in reality- there is no answer.
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TheWhiteRabbit
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Re: Healthcare workers
I'm non-clinical healthcare and we lost a bunch of our non-clinical staff (billing, call center, finance). I can't get fired, i want to make as much money as possible for the next few years to get out of New York so i got vaccinated
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LuckyStar
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Re: Healthcare workers
Posted by NervousNell
Posted by Sash
Posted by mrsrainbow
Posted by Sash
Posted by mrsrainbow
Posted by KarenK122
Posted by BFNY516
Posted by KarenK122
Since it was only yesterday the mandate took effect, it will probably be a while before we see any major issues. Personally I think it was a big slap in the face to every single health worker who worked tirelessly through the Pandemic to be given this ultimatum.
I’m wondering how it shakes out. I saw over 96% of practicing physicians reported to be fully vaccinated as of June and like 88% of nurses. It sounds like most ARE vaccinated from what I’ve been reading.
I agree. I think the vast majority are vaccinated. It was a terrible position to put them in though.
No it's not It's their job. They know the requirements. They want to willingly put people at risk and thats unacceptable. Let them go find new jobs. Let them see that their fringe ideology will only keep them in the minority.
How are they putting people at risk?
Oh good grief.
Answer the question since the vaccine does not stop people from getting or spreading Covid. So how about you answer it since it seems like no one ever does, instead of putting a stupid ass remark. This is why people can’t have a civil conversation around here.
There is no answer so they resort to things like- oh good grief
To make is seem like you are just too stupid to understand.
But in reality- there is no answer.
It is entirely possible for a vaccinated person to be asymptomatic and unknowingly transmit covid. That is correct.
However, an asymptomatic person has a lower viral load and would shed less virus than a symptomatic person. Therefore, while not impossible, they are less likely to transmit the virus than if they were symptomatic. And, research has shown that vaccinated people are more likely to have very mild or asymptomatic cases.
There is no way to eliminate the risk of a vaccinated person transmitting the virus. But vaccination reduces the risk and it’s up to the hospitals to keep the risk of transmission as low as possible.
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KarenK122
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Re: Healthcare workers
Posted by Sash
Posted by mrsrainbow
Posted by Sash
Posted by mrsrainbow
Posted by KarenK122
Posted by BFNY516
Posted by KarenK122
Since it was only yesterday the mandate took effect, it will probably be a while before we see any major issues. Personally I think it was a big slap in the face to every single health worker who worked tirelessly through the Pandemic to be given this ultimatum.
I’m wondering how it shakes out. I saw over 96% of practicing physicians reported to be fully vaccinated as of June and like 88% of nurses. It sounds like most ARE vaccinated from what I’ve been reading.
I agree. I think the vast majority are vaccinated. It was a terrible position to put them in though.
No it's not It's their job. They know the requirements. They want to willingly put people at risk and thats unacceptable. Let them go find new jobs. Let them see that their fringe ideology will only keep them in the minority.
How are they putting people at risk?
Oh good grief.
Answer the question since the vaccine does not stop people from getting or spreading Covid. So how about you answer it since it seems like no one ever does.
Exactly.
These are the same workers who handled the overcrowded hospitals in Spring 2020. They weren't vaccinated then, what has changed. So it was fine for them to risk their lives while the rest of us were in lockdown but now because a "vaccine" came out they need to get it or lose their jobs. It is assinine.
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alli3131
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Re: Healthcare workers
Posted by KarenK122
Posted by Sash
Posted by mrsrainbow
Posted by Sash
Posted by mrsrainbow
Posted by KarenK122
Posted by BFNY516
Posted by KarenK122
Since it was only yesterday the mandate took effect, it will probably be a while before we see any major issues. Personally I think it was a big slap in the face to every single health worker who worked tirelessly through the Pandemic to be given this ultimatum.
I’m wondering how it shakes out. I saw over 96% of practicing physicians reported to be fully vaccinated as of June and like 88% of nurses. It sounds like most ARE vaccinated from what I’ve been reading.
I agree. I think the vast majority are vaccinated. It was a terrible position to put them in though.
No it's not It's their job. They know the requirements. They want to willingly put people at risk and thats unacceptable. Let them go find new jobs. Let them see that their fringe ideology will only keep them in the minority.
How are they putting people at risk?
Oh good grief.
Answer the question since the vaccine does not stop people from getting or spreading Covid. So how about you answer it since it seems like no one ever does.
Exactly.
These are the same workers who handled the overcrowded hospitals in Spring 2020. They weren't vaccinated then, what has changed. So it was fine for them to risk their lives while the rest of us were in lockdown but now because a "vaccine" came out they need to get it or lose their jobs. It is assinine.
There wasn’t a vaccine back when NYS had the initial hospital surge. That’s what changed.
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blu6385
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Re: Healthcare workers
Posted by NervousNell
Posted by blu6385
Posted by Sash
Posted by soontobemommyof2
Posted by blu6385
Posted by Sash
Posted by mommy2devin
Posted by blu6385
Posted by soontobemommyof2
Posted by tray831
It's probably too soon to see a difference just yet since today is Day 2.
Honestly, I think its an awful position to be in to make that decision. It really isn't fair....sorry to those that disagree.
I have a friend who works in the Healthcare industry and she was 10000% against it. But she is single and lives on her own and couldn't afford being fired so she had to get it. Of course, she got the shot and was sick as a dog.
I do give Kudos to those that are standing up for themselves and can actually afford to do so.
Many can't.
Butttt like some from this forum love to point out...she had a “choice”.
It is a choice!!! You may not like your choice but it’s still a choice. Want to know what it’s like to not have a choice
Move to North Korea or Afghanistan where you really don’t have a choice.
Listen I go back and forth on the mandate but at the end of the day I land on let everyone make their own choice and face whatever consequences they may or may not get from that choice. Don’t vaccinate get the virus get sick and die it’s on you. Get vaccinated get side effects it’s on you.
But no one can sit there and say we don’t have a choice!! And no can sit and say this country was ever truly a country where we were free to do what we want . We have always had laws and rules. ans every time a meeting one is Intordcued you will have people complaining!
100%
A mandate does not give you a choice. This is such a dumb statement or defense.
Why do people need to be forced to take this vaccine if it doesn't truly stop the spread??? Why could these medical workers work during the height of the pandemic without a vaccine but cant work now? What a slap in the face. I guess they aren't heroes anymore. I think this is what really upsets me about thus mandate. Its hypocritical and I hate hypocrisy.
If the transmission rate was low then I would understand this mandate but the vaccine does not stop people from getting the virus nor does it stop the transmission. So what is the point if it isn't going to actually protect other staff and patients?
I feel like even the flu shot works better at stopping people from getting the flu and transmission then this vaccine.
It’s mandated for a job or to do things it’s still a choice. Get it or don’t work there. Or don’t attend events. Is it a good choice ? No. Does it suck ? Yes!! But it still A choice and that’s the point.
Why is it so hard to understand this? It is not a matter of choice when u’re a single mother that depends solely on this job to provide food for her children, to pay for a high mortgage (perks of living in such an expensive state!) so she doesn’t lose her house, to provide for childcare for her children, to pay for her school loans, etc, etc, etc. We’re not talking about attending a concert here. We’re talking about decisions that literally can mean everything to someone. We’re lucky to not be in a situation like that but not everyone has it that way.
Forcing someone to do something is not a freaking choice. I swear people are so dense. I force someone to give me their money, they had a choice not to and die. It’s a ****** choice but still a choice, ya know. 
ETA: cue in the apples to orange, that’s not the same, it’s a pandemic.. yea yea we know. Save your fingers from typing it.
What’s so hard to understand it’s still a freaking choice. No one is forcing you to do it. I don’t get why people don’t see that.
Again the choice sucks and it’s hard one but it’s a choice. Yes the Choice of quitting a job and not being able to provide for your family is a choice it’s not a good choice and it damn well blows but it’s a choice. You get to decide what’s worth it to you. You can find a new job again not easy but you can. Will I argue with you of yku say its the worse ans ****** coljocies you can have no I won’t cause you are right. Choosing to provide for your family and get a vaccine you don’t want or losing your job and not being able to provide for your family is a crappy choice but it’s still a choice.
Again I will point back to my original comment. You want to know what it really feels like to not have a choice then move to North Korea or Afghanistan and then you’ll really know what it feels like to not have choices!!
Also again I don’t think a mandate is necessary just stating it’s still a choice. No one is holding you down making you get the vaccine. When that happens then it’s really not a choice.
So if someone puts a gun to your head and says, have sex with me or I'll shoot you.
And you chose to be raped rather than die... does that mean you CHOSE to be raped?
Well your honor, she had a choice, I could have killed her, but she chose to be raped. So that was consent?
No one is holding a gun to anyone’s head on vaccines!!
I will preface No one asks to be rapped but You don’t think anyone who was ever rapped didn’t think maybe I should try to fight them off but then were scared too cause they didn’t want to. Die so they chose not too??!! They doesn’t mean the rapist can you use it has a defense amd say it’s consensual.
And really this is a horrible comparison. And again I don’t think there is a need for the mandate but no one can sit there and say they didn’t have a choice. No one as of now is being held down for a vaccine
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NervousNell
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Re: Healthcare workers
Posted by blu6385
Posted by NervousNell
Posted by blu6385
Posted by Sash
Posted by soontobemommyof2
Posted by blu6385
Posted by Sash
Posted by mommy2devin
Posted by blu6385
Posted by soontobemommyof2
Posted by tray831
It's probably too soon to see a difference just yet since today is Day 2.
Honestly, I think its an awful position to be in to make that decision. It really isn't fair....sorry to those that disagree.
I have a friend who works in the Healthcare industry and she was 10000% against it. But she is single and lives on her own and couldn't afford being fired so she had to get it. Of course, she got the shot and was sick as a dog.
I do give Kudos to those that are standing up for themselves and can actually afford to do so.
Many can't.
Butttt like some from this forum love to point out...she had a “choice”.
It is a choice!!! You may not like your choice but it’s still a choice. Want to know what it’s like to not have a choice
Move to North Korea or Afghanistan where you really don’t have a choice.
Listen I go back and forth on the mandate but at the end of the day I land on let everyone make their own choice and face whatever consequences they may or may not get from that choice. Don’t vaccinate get the virus get sick and die it’s on you. Get vaccinated get side effects it’s on you.
But no one can sit there and say we don’t have a choice!! And no can sit and say this country was ever truly a country where we were free to do what we want . We have always had laws and rules. ans every time a meeting one is Intordcued you will have people complaining!
100%
A mandate does not give you a choice. This is such a dumb statement or defense.
Why do people need to be forced to take this vaccine if it doesn't truly stop the spread??? Why could these medical workers work during the height of the pandemic without a vaccine but cant work now? What a slap in the face. I guess they aren't heroes anymore. I think this is what really upsets me about thus mandate. Its hypocritical and I hate hypocrisy.
If the transmission rate was low then I would understand this mandate but the vaccine does not stop people from getting the virus nor does it stop the transmission. So what is the point if it isn't going to actually protect other staff and patients?
I feel like even the flu shot works better at stopping people from getting the flu and transmission then this vaccine.
It’s mandated for a job or to do things it’s still a choice. Get it or don’t work there. Or don’t attend events. Is it a good choice ? No. Does it suck ? Yes!! But it still A choice and that’s the point.
Why is it so hard to understand this? It is not a matter of choice when u’re a single mother that depends solely on this job to provide food for her children, to pay for a high mortgage (perks of living in such an expensive state!) so she doesn’t lose her house, to provide for childcare for her children, to pay for her school loans, etc, etc, etc. We’re not talking about attending a concert here. We’re talking about decisions that literally can mean everything to someone. We’re lucky to not be in a situation like that but not everyone has it that way.
Forcing someone to do something is not a freaking choice. I swear people are so dense. I force someone to give me their money, they had a choice not to and die. It’s a ****** choice but still a choice, ya know.
ETA: cue in the apples to orange, that’s not the same, it’s a pandemic.. yea yea we know. Save your fingers from typing it.
What’s so hard to understand it’s still a freaking choice. No one is forcing you to do it. I don’t get why people don’t see that.
Again the choice sucks and it’s hard one but it’s a choice. Yes the Choice of quitting a job and not being able to provide for your family is a choice it’s not a good choice and it damn well blows but it’s a choice. You get to decide what’s worth it to you. You can find a new job again not easy but you can. Will I argue with you of yku say its the worse ans ****** coljocies you can have no I won’t cause you are right. Choosing to provide for your family and get a vaccine you don’t want or losing your job and not being able to provide for your family is a crappy choice but it’s still a choice.
Again I will point back to my original comment. You want to know what it really feels like to not have a choice then move to North Korea or Afghanistan and then you’ll really know what it feels like to not have choices!!
Also again I don’t think a mandate is necessary just stating it’s still a choice. No one is holding you down making you get the vaccine. When that happens then it’s really not a choice.
So if someone puts a gun to your head and says, have sex with me or I'll shoot you.
And you chose to be raped rather than die... does that mean you CHOSE to be raped?
Well your honor, she had a choice, I could have killed her, but she chose to be raped. So that was consent?
No one is holding a gun to anyone’s head on vaccines!!
I will preface No one asks to be rapped but You don’t think anyone who was ever rapped didn’t think maybe I should try to fight them off but then were scared too cause they didn’t want to. Die so they chose not too??!! They doesn’t mean the rapist can you use it has a defense amd say it’s consensual.
And really this is a horrible comparison. And again I don’t think there is a need for the mandate but no one can sit there and say they didn’t have a choice. No one as of now is being held down for a vaccine
I understand what you are saying, but it's not that black and white.
Someone else gave the example of a single mother struggling to put food on the table.
Her choice is really get the vaccine or maybe get evicted or not be able to afford to feed her kids because she wont' be able to find another job that pays as well.
I don't see that as a choice.
Many are fortunate enough to say, you know what, I don't' want the vaccine, I'll quit. I have money in the bank, I have a spouse who works, I'll survive. I'm one of those people so for me, yes it is 100% a choice if it were to come to it.
But many are not that privileged.
For them it's not really a choice.
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lululu
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Re: Healthcare workers
Posted by blu6385
Posted by NervousNell
Posted by blu6385
Posted by Sash
Posted by soontobemommyof2
Posted by blu6385
Posted by Sash
Posted by mommy2devin
Posted by blu6385
Posted by soontobemommyof2
Posted by tray831
It's probably too soon to see a difference just yet since today is Day 2.
Honestly, I think its an awful position to be in to make that decision. It really isn't fair....sorry to those that disagree.
I have a friend who works in the Healthcare industry and she was 10000% against it. But she is single and lives on her own and couldn't afford being fired so she had to get it. Of course, she got the shot and was sick as a dog.
I do give Kudos to those that are standing up for themselves and can actually afford to do so.
Many can't.
Butttt like some from this forum love to point out...she had a “choice”.
It is a choice!!! You may not like your choice but it’s still a choice. Want to know what it’s like to not have a choice
Move to North Korea or Afghanistan where you really don’t have a choice.
Listen I go back and forth on the mandate but at the end of the day I land on let everyone make their own choice and face whatever consequences they may or may not get from that choice. Don’t vaccinate get the virus get sick and die it’s on you. Get vaccinated get side effects it’s on you.
But no one can sit there and say we don’t have a choice!! And no can sit and say this country was ever truly a country where we were free to do what we want . We have always had laws and rules. ans every time a meeting one is Intordcued you will have people complaining!
100%
A mandate does not give you a choice. This is such a dumb statement or defense.
Why do people need to be forced to take this vaccine if it doesn't truly stop the spread??? Why could these medical workers work during the height of the pandemic without a vaccine but cant work now? What a slap in the face. I guess they aren't heroes anymore. I think this is what really upsets me about thus mandate. Its hypocritical and I hate hypocrisy.
If the transmission rate was low then I would understand this mandate but the vaccine does not stop people from getting the virus nor does it stop the transmission. So what is the point if it isn't going to actually protect other staff and patients?
I feel like even the flu shot works better at stopping people from getting the flu and transmission then this vaccine.
It’s mandated for a job or to do things it’s still a choice. Get it or don’t work there. Or don’t attend events. Is it a good choice ? No. Does it suck ? Yes!! But it still A choice and that’s the point.
Why is it so hard to understand this? It is not a matter of choice when u’re a single mother that depends solely on this job to provide food for her children, to pay for a high mortgage (perks of living in such an expensive state!) so she doesn’t lose her house, to provide for childcare for her children, to pay for her school loans, etc, etc, etc. We’re not talking about attending a concert here. We’re talking about decisions that literally can mean everything to someone. We’re lucky to not be in a situation like that but not everyone has it that way.
Forcing someone to do something is not a freaking choice. I swear people are so dense. I force someone to give me their money, they had a choice not to and die. It’s a ****** choice but still a choice, ya know.
ETA: cue in the apples to orange, that’s not the same, it’s a pandemic.. yea yea we know. Save your fingers from typing it.
What’s so hard to understand it’s still a freaking choice. No one is forcing you to do it. I don’t get why people don’t see that.
Again the choice sucks and it’s hard one but it’s a choice. Yes the Choice of quitting a job and not being able to provide for your family is a choice it’s not a good choice and it damn well blows but it’s a choice. You get to decide what’s worth it to you. You can find a new job again not easy but you can. Will I argue with you of yku say its the worse ans ****** coljocies you can have no I won’t cause you are right. Choosing to provide for your family and get a vaccine you don’t want or losing your job and not being able to provide for your family is a crappy choice but it’s still a choice.
Again I will point back to my original comment. You want to know what it really feels like to not have a choice then move to North Korea or Afghanistan and then you’ll really know what it feels like to not have choices!!
Also again I don’t think a mandate is necessary just stating it’s still a choice. No one is holding you down making you get the vaccine. When that happens then it’s really not a choice.
So if someone puts a gun to your head and says, have sex with me or I'll shoot you.
And you chose to be raped rather than die... does that mean you CHOSE to be raped?
Well your honor, she had a choice, I could have killed her, but she chose to be raped. So that was consent?
No one is holding a gun to anyone’s head on vaccines!!
I will preface No one asks to be rapped but You don’t think anyone who was ever rapped didn’t think maybe I should try to fight them off but then were scared too cause they didn’t want to. Die so they chose not too??!! They doesn’t mean the rapist can you use it has a defense amd say it’s consensual.
And really this is a horrible comparison. And again I don’t think there is a need for the mandate but no one can sit there and say they didn’t have a choice. No one as of now is being held down for a vaccine
Telling someone that they will lose their livelihood if they don't get vaccinated is not giving someone a choice. That's why it's called a mandate. There is no choice.
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chilltocam
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Re: Healthcare workers
Posted by lululu
Posted by blu6385
Posted by Sash
Posted by mommy2devin
Posted by blu6385
Posted by soontobemommyof2
Posted by tray831
It's probably too soon to see a difference just yet since today is Day 2.
Honestly, I think its an awful position to be in to make that decision. It really isn't fair....sorry to those that disagree.
I have a friend who works in the Healthcare industry and she was 10000% against it. But she is single and lives on her own and couldn't afford being fired so she had to get it. Of course, she got the shot and was sick as a dog.
I do give Kudos to those that are standing up for themselves and can actually afford to do so.
Many can't.
Butttt like some from this forum love to point out...she had a “choice”.
It is a choice!!! You may not like your choice but it’s still a choice. Want to know what it’s like to not have a choice
Move to North Korea or Afghanistan where you really don’t have a choice.
Listen I go back and forth on the mandate but at the end of the day I land on let everyone make their own choice and face whatever consequences they may or may not get from that choice. Don’t vaccinate get the virus get sick and die it’s on you. Get vaccinated get side effects it’s on you.
But no one can sit there and say we don’t have a choice!! And no can sit and say this country was ever truly a country where we were free to do what we want . We have always had laws and rules. ans every time a meeting one is Intordcued you will have people complaining!
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A mandate does not give you a choice. This is such a dumb statement or defense.
Why do people need to be forced to take this vaccine if it doesn't truly stop the spread??? Why could these medical workers work during the height of the pandemic without a vaccine but cant work now? What a slap in the face. I guess they aren't heroes anymore. I think this is what really upsets me about thus mandate. Its hypocritical and I hate hypocrisy.
If the transmission rate was low then I would understand this mandate but the vaccine does not stop people from getting the virus nor does it stop the transmission. So what is the point if it isn't going to actually protect other staff and patients?
I feel like even the flu shot works better at stopping people from getting the flu and transmission then this vaccine.
It’s mandated for a job or to do things it’s still a choice. Get it or don’t work there. Or don’t attend events. Is it a good choice ? No. Does it suck ? Yes!! But it still A choice and that’s the point.
THis is a very slippery slope though because if you are going to hang your hat on things being a choice, I could say if you live in the state of texas and you know it's difficult to obtain a safe and legal abortion, you have a choice not to have sex.
Tell that to the men in Texas - put the burden on them. And the rapists too
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Re: Healthcare workers
I know a higher up at a big hospital system in NY. She said most of the Drs and RNs are vaxxed. But the majority of nurse aides are NOT. Don't know if that's absolute fact but that is what she said.
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Re: Healthcare workers
Posted by chilltocam
Posted by lululu
Posted by blu6385
Posted by Sash
Posted by mommy2devin
Posted by blu6385
Posted by soontobemommyof2
Posted by tray831
It's probably too soon to see a difference just yet since today is Day 2.
Honestly, I think its an awful position to be in to make that decision. It really isn't fair....sorry to those that disagree.
I have a friend who works in the Healthcare industry and she was 10000% against it. But she is single and lives on her own and couldn't afford being fired so she had to get it. Of course, she got the shot and was sick as a dog.
I do give Kudos to those that are standing up for themselves and can actually afford to do so.
Many can't.
Butttt like some from this forum love to point out...she had a “choice”.
It is a choice!!! You may not like your choice but it’s still a choice. Want to know what it’s like to not have a choice
Move to North Korea or Afghanistan where you really don’t have a choice.
Listen I go back and forth on the mandate but at the end of the day I land on let everyone make their own choice and face whatever consequences they may or may not get from that choice. Don’t vaccinate get the virus get sick and die it’s on you. Get vaccinated get side effects it’s on you.
But no one can sit there and say we don’t have a choice!! And no can sit and say this country was ever truly a country where we were free to do what we want . We have always had laws and rules. ans every time a meeting one is Intordcued you will have people complaining!
100%
A mandate does not give you a choice. This is such a dumb statement or defense.
Why do people need to be forced to take this vaccine if it doesn't truly stop the spread??? Why could these medical workers work during the height of the pandemic without a vaccine but cant work now? What a slap in the face. I guess they aren't heroes anymore. I think this is what really upsets me about thus mandate. Its hypocritical and I hate hypocrisy.
If the transmission rate was low then I would understand this mandate but the vaccine does not stop people from getting the virus nor does it stop the transmission. So what is the point if it isn't going to actually protect other staff and patients?
I feel like even the flu shot works better at stopping people from getting the flu and transmission then this vaccine.
It’s mandated for a job or to do things it’s still a choice. Get it or don’t work there. Or don’t attend events. Is it a good choice ? No. Does it suck ? Yes!! But it still A choice and that’s the point.
THis is a very slippery slope though because if you are going to hang your hat on things being a choice, I could say if you live in the state of texas and you know it's difficult to obtain a safe and legal abortion, you have a choice not to have sex.
Tell that to the men in Texas - put the burden on them. And the rapists too
The burden is already somewhat on the man because they are not given a say as to what happens with an unplanned pregnancy. If a woman chooses to go thru with it then that man is on the hook for child support for the next 18 years. So men should think twice ALWAYS, in every state before having unprotected sex. Honestly your comment makes absolutely no sense though. A man can not get pregnant and therefore will never need an abortion so he never had a choice to begin with.
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Healthcare workers
If it's your job or the vaccine that isn't a choice that's coercion. GTFOH with the choice stuff. If your boss says sleep with me or lose your job and your sleep with him did you make a free choice? It's authoritarian BS and especially silly for a non sterilizing vaccine with zero manufacturer liability if something goes wrong.
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Healthcare workers
If it's your job or the vaccine that isn't a choice that's coercion. GTFOH with the choice stuff. If your boss says sleep with me or lose your job and your sleep with him did you make a free choice? It's authoritarian BS and especially silly for a non sterilizing vaccine with zero manufacturer liability if something goes wrong.
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Re: Healthcare workers
Posted by blu6385
Posted by soontobemommyof2
Posted by tray831
It's probably too soon to see a difference just yet since today is Day 2.
Honestly, I think its an awful position to be in to make that decision. It really isn't fair....sorry to those that disagree.
I have a friend who works in the Healthcare industry and she was 10000% against it. But she is single and lives on her own and couldn't afford being fired so she had to get it. Of course, she got the shot and was sick as a dog.
I do give Kudos to those that are standing up for themselves and can actually afford to do so.
Many can't.
Butttt like some from this forum love to point out...she had a “choice”.
It is a choice!!! You may not like your choice but it’s still a choice. Want to know what it’s like to not have a choice
Move to North Korea or Afghanistan where you really don’t have a choice.
Listen I go back and forth on the mandate but at the end of the day I land on let everyone make their own choice and face whatever consequences they may or may not get from that choice. Don’t vaccinate get the virus get sick and die it’s on you. Get vaccinated get side effects it’s on you.
But no one can sit there and say we don’t have a choice!! And no one can sit and say this country was ever truly a country where we were free to do what we want . We have always had laws and rules. ans every time a new one is Intordcued you will have people complaining!
Amazing though that these people worked without a vaccine for 19 months and didn’t die. Most didn’t even get sick.
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Re: Healthcare workers
Posted by blu6385
Posted by soontobemommyof2
Posted by tray831
It's probably too soon to see a difference just yet since today is Day 2.
Honestly, I think its an awful position to be in to make that decision. It really isn't fair....sorry to those that disagree.
I have a friend who works in the Healthcare industry and she was 10000% against it. But she is single and lives on her own and couldn't afford being fired so she had to get it. Of course, she got the shot and was sick as a dog.
I do give Kudos to those that are standing up for themselves and can actually afford to do so.
Many can't.
Butttt like some from this forum love to point out...she had a “choice”.
It is a choice!!! You may not like your choice but it’s still a choice. Want to know what it’s like to not have a choice
Move to North Korea or Afghanistan where you really don’t have a choice.
Listen I go back and forth on the mandate but at the end of the day I land on let everyone make their own choice and face whatever consequences they may or may not get from that choice. Don’t vaccinate get the virus get sick and die it’s on you. Get vaccinated get side effects it’s on you.
But no one can sit there and say we don’t have a choice!! And no one can sit and say this country was ever truly a country where we were free to do what we want . We have always had laws and rules. ans every time a new one is Intordcued you will have people complaining!
Most didn’t get sick or did in 19 months with no vaccine though.
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Re: Healthcare workers
Posted by chilltocam
Posted by Raging2020
Posted by Sash
Posted by NervousNell
Posted by Sash
Posted by mommy2devin
Posted by blu6385
Posted by soontobemommyof2
Posted by tray831
It's probably too soon to see a difference just yet since today is Day 2.
Honestly, I think its an awful position to be in to make that decision. It really isn't fair....sorry to those that disagree.
I have a friend who works in the Healthcare industry and she was 10000% against it. But she is single and lives on her own and couldn't afford being fired so she had to get it. Of course, she got the shot and was sick as a dog.
I do give Kudos to those that are standing up for themselves and can actually afford to do so.
Many can't.
Butttt like some from this forum love to point out...she had a “choice”.
It is a choice!!! You may not like your choice but it’s still a choice. Want to know what it’s like to not have a choice
Move to North Korea or Afghanistan where you really don’t have a choice.
Listen I go back and forth on the mandate but at the end of the day I land on let everyone make their own choice and face whatever consequences they may or may not get from that choice. Don’t vaccinate get the virus get sick and die it’s on you. Get vaccinated get side effects it’s on you.
But no one can sit there and say we don’t have a choice!! And no can sit and say this country was ever truly a country where we were free to do what we want . We have always had laws and rules. ans every time a meeting one is Intordcued you will have people complaining!
100%
A mandate does not give you a choice. This is such a dumb statement or defense.
Why do people need to be forced to take this vaccine if it doesn't truly stop the spread??? Why could these medical workers work during the height of the pandemic without a vaccine but cant work now? What a slap in the face. I guess they aren't heroes anymore. I think this is what really upsets me about thus mandate. Its hypocritical and I hate hypocrisy.
If the transmission rate was low then I would understand this mandate but the vaccine does not stop people from getting the virus nor does it stop the transmission. So what is the point if it isn't going to actually protect other staff and patients?
I feel like even the flu shot works better at stopping people from getting the flu and transmission then this vaccine.
This right here is why I have an issue with this too.
So a vaccinated nurse can still transmit Covid to an immunocompromised patient. Or a patient who is fragile and not able to get the vaccine for whatever reason.
So what good is it doing???
It's mitigating the nurse from getting super sick with Covid, great. But that's protecting her. What is this mandate doing to protect fragile patients from Covid being spread by the nurses and doctors?
Exactly, and the vaccine helps you from not getting sick or showing any symptoms. So isn't that more of a threat to a patient, because you may not even know you have it? Does my brain work differently from the rest of the world? Because this shit is not making sense or adding up.
Testing and PPE is the only thing that will actually protect patients and staff.
Ding ding ding! Testing and PPE are the only things that protect the patients! Whether or not I have a Covid vaccine doesn’t matter to the person next to me…..especially if we are both wearing proper ppe. THAT IS THE PROBLEM. There is no justified reason for the mandate. There should have been a temporary testing option for a minimum of a year.
Not saying I agree or disagree, but IF there were a testing option, who pays for it? The employee? Is that too burdensome? There have been so many complaints about the cost of tseting for school districts etc., so wondering the thought on that
Many other jobs require vaccinations or testing weekly. Testing is free.
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mommy2devin
2 Boys, I need calgon!
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Re: Healthcare workers
Ridiculous. It is a choice. It's a sucky choice but it is a choice. Vaccines are mandated for a child to attend school. If you CHOOSE not to vaccinate your child you CHOOSE not to send them to a public school. If you CHOOSE not to be vaccinated during a pandemic then you CHOOSE to find a different occupation. I don't like the choice, don't even agree with the mandates necessarily. But it is a choice.
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Re: Healthcare workers
Posted by mommy2devin
Ridiculous. It is a choice. It's a sucky choice but it is a choice. Vaccines are mandated for a child to attend school. If you CHOOSE not to vaccinate your child you CHOOSE not to send them to a public school. If you CHOOSE not to be vaccinated during a pandemic then you CHOOSE to find a different occupation. I don't like the choice, don't even agree with the mandates necessarily. But it is a choice.
Vaccines that have been out long enough to know side effects and to know they work.
When is the last time you saw someone get chicken pox after having that vaccine? Or polio or mumps, or, or.
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Re: Healthcare workers
Posted by windyweather21
Posted by mommy2devin
Ridiculous. It is a choice. It's a sucky choice but it is a choice. Vaccines are mandated for a child to attend school. If you CHOOSE not to vaccinate your child you CHOOSE not to send them to a public school. If you CHOOSE not to be vaccinated during a pandemic then you CHOOSE to find a different occupation. I don't like the choice, don't even agree with the mandates necessarily. But it is a choice.
Vaccines that have been out long enough to know side effects and to know they work.
When is the last time you saw someone get chicken pox after having that vaccine? Or polio or mumps, or, or.
That is NOT the point of the fact being that it is still a choice. I SAID I didn't necessarily like or agree with the mandates. But it is a CHOICE to choose not to abide by a state or company mandate. If you choose not to then you choose not to work in that field, or company or send your child to public school. It's still a choice. You aren't arguing with that, you just want to keep going back and forth with the vaccine argument.
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Re: Healthcare workers
Posted by mommy2devin
Posted by windyweather21
Posted by mommy2devin
Ridiculous. It is a choice. It's a sucky choice but it is a choice. Vaccines are mandated for a child to attend school. If you CHOOSE not to vaccinate your child you CHOOSE not to send them to a public school. If you CHOOSE not to be vaccinated during a pandemic then you CHOOSE to find a different occupation. I don't like the choice, don't even agree with the mandates necessarily. But it is a choice.
Vaccines that have been out long enough to know side effects and to know they work.
When is the last time you saw someone get chicken pox after having that vaccine? Or polio or mumps, or, or.
That is NOT the point of the fact being that it is still a choice. I SAID I didn't necessarily like or agree with the mandates. But it is a CHOICE to choose not to abide by a state or company mandate. If you choose not to then you choose not to work in that field, or company or send your child to public school. It's still a choice. You aren't arguing with that, you just want to keep going back and forth with the vaccine argument.
They should have the choice like other jobs to vaccinate or test.
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Re: Healthcare workers
Posted by MrsA1012
If it's your job or the vaccine that isn't a choice that's coercion. GTFOH with the choice stuff. If your boss says sleep with me or lose your job and your sleep with him did you make a free choice? It's authoritarian BS and especially silly for a non sterilizing vaccine with zero manufacturer liability if something goes wrong.
I’ve been noticing that generally people that don’t have a problem with the vaccine are the same ones that don’t see how this is not a choice and/or don’t really see mandates problematic. They might say...I don’t agree with it being mandated, blah, blah, blah but under the same breath they’re showing how they really don’t see it as a problem and are not even bothered or concerned about it.
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Re: Healthcare workers
Posted by mommy2devin
Posted by windyweather21
Posted by mommy2devin
Ridiculous. It is a choice. It's a sucky choice but it is a choice. Vaccines are mandated for a child to attend school. If you CHOOSE not to vaccinate your child you CHOOSE not to send them to a public school. If you CHOOSE not to be vaccinated during a pandemic then you CHOOSE to find a different occupation. I don't like the choice, don't even agree with the mandates necessarily. But it is a choice.
Vaccines that have been out long enough to know side effects and to know they work.
When is the last time you saw someone get chicken pox after having that vaccine? Or polio or mumps, or, or.
That is NOT the point of the fact being that it is still a choice. I SAID I didn't necessarily like or agree with the mandates. But it is a CHOICE to choose not to abide by a state or company mandate. If you choose not to then you choose not to work in that field, or company or send your child to public school. It's still a choice. You aren't arguing with that, you just want to keep going back and forth with the vaccine argument.
Like I said earlier, taking away someone's livelihood makes it so that it is not a choice. If you tell someone they won't be able to put food on the table for themselves and their children unless they get vaccinated, is that really a choice? I think it shows an immense amount of privilege to say that it's a choice. I am glad we are all lucky enough to have the option to quit our job because we don't like that option but I'm going to guess the vast majority of the country does not have that luxury. And perhaps in this circumstance it shouldn't be a choice, because we are experiencing a global pandemic, but then the government should just mandate it for all citizens and be done with it. Then you either get the vaccine or you leave the country.
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Re: Healthcare workers
Posted by soontobemommyof2
Posted by MrsA1012
If it's your job or the vaccine that isn't a choice that's coercion. GTFOH with the choice stuff. If your boss says sleep with me or lose your job and your sleep with him did you make a free choice? It's authoritarian BS and especially silly for a non sterilizing vaccine with zero manufacturer liability if something goes wrong.
I’ve been noticing that generally people that don’t have a problem with the vaccine are the same ones that don’t see how this is not a choice and/or don’t really see mandates problematic. They might say...I don’t agree with it being mandating, blah, blah, blah but under the same breath they’re showing how they really don’t see it as a problem and are not even bothered or concerned about it.
That's because it doesn't affect them.
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