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Re: Email about masks in school
Posted by Hofstra26
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I don't think the vaccine did anything but make some people rich.
......... and keep countless others out of the hospital or dying. 
I don't care one way or the other what choices people make for themselves but those that don't want to be vaccinated REALLY need to stop insisting the vaccine doesn't work. It's just a completely ridiculous and unfounded statement.
I really don't by this. I know 2 people fully vaccinated who died from Covid. My friend who i felt like a leper around because I wasn't vaccinated all got Covid over the holiday. How do we know how this vaccine helped anyone? The chicken pox vaccine worked why? because we haven't seen chicken pox in probably 20 years. Same with polio, measles, mumps etc...Those vaccines work. Covid numbers are up even with the vaccine so where is your proof that it works???
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Re: Email about masks in school
Posted by NervousNell
Posted by Hofstra26
Posted by 3girls1dog
I don't think the vaccine did anything but make some people rich.
......... and keep countless others out of the hospital or dying.
I don't care one way or the other what choices people make for themselves but those that don't want to be vaccinated REALLY need to stop insisting the vaccine doesn't work. It's just a completely ridiculous and unfounded statement.
It doesn't work to stop the spread like it was supposed to.
It only works to protect an individual person....and it doesn't even work to keep that person from getting Covid- it just mitigates severe illness.
Mitigating severe illness is NOT trivial.
The vaccine might not stop the spread or keep you from contracting COVID but it certainly will keep *you* from getting severely ill. For myself, I'll take that security blanket.
To that end, a vaccinated population is a healthier, stronger population. The better our collective immune rresponse is the less virulent subsequent strains become.
Everyone is free to make their own decisions regarding the vaccine, I'm just tired of hearing "it doesn't even work" simply because a person doesn't want to get the vaccine. It's false and misleading rhetoric.
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Re: Email about masks in school
Posted by Hofstra26
Posted by NervousNell
Posted by Hofstra26
Posted by 3girls1dog
I don't think the vaccine did anything but make some people rich.
......... and keep countless others out of the hospital or dying.
I don't care one way or the other what choices people make for themselves but those that don't want to be vaccinated REALLY need to stop insisting the vaccine doesn't work. It's just a completely ridiculous and unfounded statement.
It doesn't work to stop the spread like it was supposed to.
It only works to protect an individual person....and it doesn't even work to keep that person from getting Covid- it just mitigates severe illness.
Mitigating severe illness is NOT trivial.
The vaccine might not stop the spread or keep you from contracting COVID but it certainly will keep *you* from getting severely ill. For myself, I'll take that security blanket.
To that end, a vaccinated population is a healthier, stronger population. The better our collective immune rresponse is the less virulent subsequent strains become.
Everyone is free to make their own decisions regarding the vaccine, I'm just tired of hearing "it doesn't even work" simply because a person doesn't want to get the vaccine. It's false and misleading rhetoric.
I didn't say mitigating severe illness is trivial.
That's great.
For the PERSON who chooses to get it.
Just like you are responsible to get your diagnostic tests like mamos, colonoscopies, etc
It helps YOU
But they should NEVER EVER be mandated. That's a huge issue I have with this.
Nobody ever mandated a flu shot-which works pretty much the same as this vaccine- maybe even better- so why?
And I don't want this vaccine- but that's not the reason I say it doesn't work- I say it doesn't work because look at this past month- the numbers were through the roof.
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Re: Email about masks in school
Posted by NervousNell
Posted by Hofstra26
Posted by NervousNell
Posted by Hofstra26
Posted by 3girls1dog
I don't think the vaccine did anything but make some people rich.
......... and keep countless others out of the hospital or dying.
I don't care one way or the other what choices people make for themselves but those that don't want to be vaccinated REALLY need to stop insisting the vaccine doesn't work. It's just a completely ridiculous and unfounded statement.
It doesn't work to stop the spread like it was supposed to.
It only works to protect an individual person....and it doesn't even work to keep that person from getting Covid- it just mitigates severe illness.
Mitigating severe illness is NOT trivial.
The vaccine might not stop the spread or keep you from contracting COVID but it certainly will keep *you* from getting severely ill. For myself, I'll take that security blanket.
To that end, a vaccinated population is a healthier, stronger population. The better our collective immune rresponse is the less virulent subsequent strains become.
Everyone is free to make their own decisions regarding the vaccine, I'm just tired of hearing "it doesn't even work" simply because a person doesn't want to get the vaccine. It's false and misleading rhetoric.
I didn't say mitigating severe illness is trivial.
That's great.
For the PERSON who chooses to get it.
Just like you are responsible to get your diagnostic tests like mamos, colonoscopies, etc
It helps YOU
But they should NEVER EVER be mandated. That's a huge issue I have with this.
Nobody ever mandated a flu shot-which works pretty much the same as this vaccine- maybe even better- so why?
And I don't want this vaccine- but that's not the reason I say it doesn't work- I say it doesn't work because look at this past month- the numbers were through the roof.
I understand what you're saying but I'm not arguing over mandates. That wasn't my point. I'm just tired of "the vaccine doesn't work" chant.
I think the VERY important thing to pay attention to though is that while cases are up people aren't getting nearly as sick from the virus as they were just a year ago with other strains AND most hospitals aren't overwhelmed like they were early on.
It would be remiss of anyone to believe that a vaccinated population of people worldwide didn't contribute to the omicron variant being less virulent and therfore people not getting as sick and dying as they were in 2020.
Again, the vaccine isn't 100% protection but it certainly works. That's my only point. I am with you on the mandates because although DH and I are vaccinated and boostered I don't want to get the vaccine for my kids for a few reasons. The main reason being they were mostly fine when they had COVID and our incidence of positive cases is so low by us anyway.
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Re: Email about masks in school
Posted by NervousNell
Posted by Hofstra26
Posted by NervousNell
Posted by Hofstra26
Posted by 3girls1dog
I don't think the vaccine did anything but make some people rich.
......... and keep countless others out of the hospital or dying.
I don't care one way or the other what choices people make for themselves but those that don't want to be vaccinated REALLY need to stop insisting the vaccine doesn't work. It's just a completely ridiculous and unfounded statement.
It doesn't work to stop the spread like it was supposed to.
It only works to protect an individual person....and it doesn't even work to keep that person from getting Covid- it just mitigates severe illness.
Mitigating severe illness is NOT trivial.
The vaccine might not stop the spread or keep you from contracting COVID but it certainly will keep *you* from getting severely ill. For myself, I'll take that security blanket.
To that end, a vaccinated population is a healthier, stronger population. The better our collective immune rresponse is the less virulent subsequent strains become.
Everyone is free to make their own decisions regarding the vaccine, I'm just tired of hearing "it doesn't even work" simply because a person doesn't want to get the vaccine. It's false and misleading rhetoric.
I didn't say mitigating severe illness is trivial.
That's great.
For the PERSON who chooses to get it.
Just like you are responsible to get your diagnostic tests like mamos, colonoscopies, etc
It helps YOU
But they should NEVER EVER be mandated. That's a huge issue I have with this.
Nobody ever mandated a flu shot-which works pretty much the same as this vaccine- maybe even better- so why?
And I don't want this vaccine- but that's not the reason I say it doesn't work- I say it doesn't work because look at this past month- the numbers were through the roof.
I can’t even say that it even helped ME…I didn’t get it until i was mandated, was fully vaccinated in sept got covid in dec, dh fully vaccinated in nov has it now…I don’t even know if it did anything at all because one of my dd who is not vaccinated had similar course as I did and my other dd unvaccinated has no symptoms at all.
Maybe for older people/those with certain illness it prevents death but even for that I think boosters are needed…i work in a hospital and there are vaccinated pts also dying…I had a co worker sick shortly after me I had Pfizer she had moderna plus booster and she was way worse than me symptoms wise…I don’t know anymore it’s all too much and definitely not following science anymore…I live in nyc and I’m not really sure they can claim their bogus “keys” to the city helped stop the spread.
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Everyone is free to make their own decisions regarding the vaccine, I'm just tired of hearing "it doesn't even work" simply because a person doesn't want to get the vaccine. It's false and misleading rhetoric.
I totally agree with you.
As with most things, in my opinion, extremes don't work. It's untrue to say the vaccine does absolutely nothing, and it's untrue to say the vaccine is the miracle antidote.
Sorry, Hofstra, I messed up the quoting, and it cut your username out!
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Re: Email about masks in school
Posted by Hofstra26
Posted by NervousNell
Posted by Hofstra26
Posted by NervousNell
Posted by Hofstra26
Posted by 3girls1dog
I don't think the vaccine did anything but make some people rich.
......... and keep countless others out of the hospital or dying.
I don't care one way or the other what choices people make for themselves but those that don't want to be vaccinated REALLY need to stop insisting the vaccine doesn't work. It's just a completely ridiculous and unfounded statement.
It doesn't work to stop the spread like it was supposed to.
It only works to protect an individual person....and it doesn't even work to keep that person from getting Covid- it just mitigates severe illness.
Mitigating severe illness is NOT trivial.
The vaccine might not stop the spread or keep you from contracting COVID but it certainly will keep *you* from getting severely ill. For myself, I'll take that security blanket.
To that end, a vaccinated population is a healthier, stronger population. The better our collective immune rresponse is the less virulent subsequent strains become.
Everyone is free to make their own decisions regarding the vaccine, I'm just tired of hearing "it doesn't even work" simply because a person doesn't want to get the vaccine. It's false and misleading rhetoric.
I didn't say mitigating severe illness is trivial.
That's great.
For the PERSON who chooses to get it.
Just like you are responsible to get your diagnostic tests like mamos, colonoscopies, etc
It helps YOU
But they should NEVER EVER be mandated. That's a huge issue I have with this.
Nobody ever mandated a flu shot-which works pretty much the same as this vaccine- maybe even better- so why?
And I don't want this vaccine- but that's not the reason I say it doesn't work- I say it doesn't work because look at this past month- the numbers were through the roof.
I understand what you're saying but I'm not arguing over mandates. That wasn't my point. I'm just tired of "the vaccine doesn't work" chant.
I think the VERY important thing to pay attention to though is that while cases are up people aren't getting nearly as sick from the virus as they were just a year ago with other strains AND most hospitals aren't overwhelmed like they were early on.
It would be remiss of anyone to believe that a vaccinated population of people worldwide didn't contribute to the omicron variant being less virulent and therfore people not getting as sick and dying as they were in 2020.
Again, the vaccine isn't 100% protection but it certainly works. That's my only point. I am with you on the mandates because although DH and I are vaccinated and boostered I don't want to get the vaccine for my kids for a few reasons. The main reason being they were mostly fine when they had COVID and our incidence of positive cases is so low by us anyway.
We all hope the vaccines work but...
1. Aren't they saying the vaccine lasts less than a year? Many are close to a year already so they are months beyond. Who will be truly vaccinated if they don't continue the boosters or vaccines if this is not a vaccine that lasts forever like other ones we have or have gotten for our children?
2. They know how to treat this better so people who do go to the hospital are in and out and not admitted and put on vents where they are dying.
3. Just like any other virus, you don't know how your body will react and that is why you have people who they get a slight cold and others who die. Underlying conditions also could make a virus worse.
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Re: Email about masks in school
Posted by oldtimerocknroll
Everyone is free to make their own decisions regarding the vaccine, I'm just tired of hearing "it doesn't even work" simply because a person doesn't want to get the vaccine. It's false and misleading rhetoric.
I totally agree with you.
As with most things, in my opinion, extremes don't work. It's untrue to say the vaccine does absolutely nothing, and it's untrue to say the vaccine is the miracle antidote.
Sorry, Hofstra, I messed up the quoting, and it cut your username out!
I agree with you on the extremes.
However, this Vaccine does not work to prevent disease or the spread, which, is why people were commenting from the email. There are still commercials that say get vaccinated, stop the spread. Or "Im doing this to protect my grandma", It is a known fact this vaccine does not stop the spread. If they want to market this vaccine and get people to take it, then do it correctly! Provide the correct information.
"It may prevent serious illness or death!". The End!
Message edited 1/28/2022 11:05:18 AM.
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Re: Email about masks in school
Posted by Sash
Mandatory masking in schools is going to end at some point when the science or the courts, or hopefully both, say it should.
I had an issue with this. Are we following science or not? The courts should make a ruling based on science. Something about courts deciding rubs me the wrong way. There shouldn’t be an OR in that statement.
Case against masks
Two takeaways from the article:
1- with regard to KN95 masks " no real-world data indicate that these masks decrease transmission in school settings"
2-Over the past 21 months, slowly and with much resistance, the layers of mythology around COVID-19 mitigation in schools have been peeled away, each time without producing the much-ballyhooed increases in COVID-19. Schools did not become hot spots when they reopened, nor when they reduced physical distancing, nor when they eliminated deep-cleaning protocols. These layers were peeled away because the evidence supporting them was weak, and they all had substantial downsides for children’s education and health.
So for all those claiming mask follow the "science" this article shows all the flaws in the "studies" that claim masks are effective.
Also from the article:
Mental and social-emotional outcomes are hard to observe and measure, and can take years to manifest. Initial data, however, are not reassuring. Recent prospective studies from Greece and Italy found evidence that masking is a barrier to speech recognition, hearing, and communication, and that masks impede children’s ability to decode facial expressions, dampening children’s perceived trustworthiness of faces. Research has also suggested that hearing-impaired children have difficulty discerning individual sounds; opaque masks, of course, prevent lip-reading. Some teachers, parents, and speech pathologists have reported that masks can make learning difficult for some of America’s most vulnerable children, including those with cognitive delays, speech and hearing issues, and autism. Masks may also hinder language and speech development—especially important for students who do not speak English at home. Masks may impede emotion recognition, even in adults, but particularly in children. This fall, when children were asked, many said that prolonged mask wearing is uncomfortable and that they dislike it.
The letter posted is nothing more than a CYA and propaganda to encourage mask wearing. Forget about all the negatives and what it's doing to our kids. And no it's not supported by science.
I want to be able to choose what's right for my kid and I don't believe that wearing masks is effective and they shouldn't have to wear them. IF another parent thinks differently great. But parents should be able to decide what's best.
TBH I doubt the mask mandates will end anytime soon. People like to control. Enough already- our kids deserve better
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Re: Email about masks in school
Posted by JDandMe
Posted by Sash
Mandatory masking in schools is going to end at some point when the science or the courts, or hopefully both, say it should.
I had an issue with this. Are we following science or not? The courts should make a ruling based on science. Something about courts deciding rubs me the wrong way. There shouldn’t be an OR in that statement.
Case against masks
Two takeaways from the article:
1- with regard to KN95 masks " no real-world data indicate that these masks decrease transmission in school settings"
2-Over the past 21 months, slowly and with much resistance, the layers of mythology around COVID-19 mitigation in schools have been peeled away, each time without producing the much-ballyhooed increases in COVID-19. Schools did not become hot spots when they reopened, nor when they reduced physical distancing, nor when they eliminated deep-cleaning protocols. These layers were peeled away because the evidence supporting them was weak, and they all had substantial downsides for children’s education and health.
So for all those claiming mask follow the "science" this article shows all the flaws in the "studies" that claim masks are effective.
Also from the article:
Mental and social-emotional outcomes are hard to observe and measure, and can take years to manifest. Initial data, however, are not reassuring. Recent prospective studies from Greece and Italy found evidence that masking is a barrier to speech recognition, hearing, and communication, and that masks impede children’s ability to decode facial expressions, dampening children’s perceived trustworthiness of faces. Research has also suggested that hearing-impaired children have difficulty discerning individual sounds; opaque masks, of course, prevent lip-reading. Some teachers, parents, and speech pathologists have reported that masks can make learning difficult for some of America’s most vulnerable children, including those with cognitive delays, speech and hearing issues, and autism. Masks may also hinder language and speech development—especially important for students who do not speak English at home. Masks may impede emotion recognition, even in adults, but particularly in children. This fall, when children were asked, many said that prolonged mask wearing is uncomfortable and that they dislike it.
The letter posted is nothing more than a CYA and propaganda to encourage mask wearing. Forget about all the negatives and what it's doing to our kids. And no it's not supported by science.
I want to be able to choose what's right for my kid and I don't believe that wearing masks is effective and they shouldn't have to wear them. IF another parent thinks differently great. But parents should be able to decide what's best.
TBH I doubt the mask mandates will end anytime soon. People like to control. Enough already- our kids deserve better
. Amen ! The powers that be take advantage of the fact that very few people understand what studies rank the highest. Google the hierarchy of scientific evidence. Randomized control trials are the gold standard for figuring out if an intervention works in the real world. Pre 2020 ,multiple Rcts were done to see if facemasks stop the spread of influenza and they all found that there was no effective in reducing transmission. That’s the real reason public health officials didn’t recommend masks at the start. Subsequent rcts ( Danmask , Bangladesh study ) don’t show a statistically significant difference. Finally , the real world evidence shows NO correlation between the stringency of mask mandates. No where , all over the world. I could show you graph after graph after graph with the same pattern over and over.The mask advocates point to what is known as mechanistic studies, where they blow aerosols into a mask wearing mannequins face and claim mask lower transmission. However, this type of study is much lower on the totem of pole of quality evidence than an RCT. They also point to studies where they analyses case rates for a very short period and the masked area did better but once the study ended the case rates between masked and unmasked equalized ( see the Kansas mask study for such an example )
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Hofstra26
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Re: Email about masks in school
Posted by oldtimerocknroll
Everyone is free to make their own decisions regarding the vaccine, I'm just tired of hearing "it doesn't even work" simply because a person doesn't want to get the vaccine. It's false and misleading rhetoric.
I totally agree with you.
As with most things, in my opinion, extremes don't work. It's untrue to say the vaccine does absolutely nothing, and it's untrue to say the vaccine is the miracle antidote.
Sorry, Hofstra, I messed up the quoting, and it cut your username out!
No worries. 
ITA with you on leaning to the extreme either way........with anything, vaccine or otherwise.
There is no question that the vaccine can help YOU (collective you) and there is no question that it's NOT the ONLY solution to the pandemic. I *personally* think it's a combination of healthy habits, good hygiene, treatments and vaccines that will see us through to an endemic. It's unfortunate that there isn't "middle ground" with all of this because it's just hampering our ability to move forward from this craziness.
Nothing makes sense anymore and people are losing their minds.
Message edited 1/28/2022 12:09:52 PM.
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Posted by Sash
Posted by oldtimerocknroll
Everyone is free to make their own decisions regarding the vaccine, I'm just tired of hearing "it doesn't even work" simply because a person doesn't want to get the vaccine. It's false and misleading rhetoric.
I totally agree with you.
As with most things, in my opinion, extremes don't work. It's untrue to say the vaccine does absolutely nothing, and it's untrue to say the vaccine is the miracle antidote.
Sorry, Hofstra, I messed up the quoting, and it cut your username out!
I agree with you on the extremes.
However, this Vaccine does not work to prevent disease or the spread, which, is why people were commenting from the email. There are still commercials that say get vaccinated, stop the spread. Or "Im doing this to protect my grandma", It is a known fact this vaccine does not stop the spread. If they want to market this vaccine and get people to take it, then do it correctly! Provide the correct information.
"It may prevent serious illness or death!". The End!
No one even knows if it is protecting you anymore or if so, to what ability as this is not like a chicken pox or polio vaccine. How do we even know the people who have gotten sick don't have any protection anymore?
No one wants to address this as so many will not get the booster so are they not protected after a certain time like the CDC has told us?
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Re: Email about masks in school
Posted by 3girls1dog
I don't think the vaccine did anything but make some people rich.
This.
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Re: Email about masks in school
Posted by Sash
Posted by oldtimerocknroll
Everyone is free to make their own decisions regarding the vaccine, I'm just tired of hearing "it doesn't even work" simply because a person doesn't want to get the vaccine. It's false and misleading rhetoric.
I totally agree with you.
As with most things, in my opinion, extremes don't work. It's untrue to say the vaccine does absolutely nothing, and it's untrue to say the vaccine is the miracle antidote.
Sorry, Hofstra, I messed up the quoting, and it cut your username out!
I agree with you on the extremes.
However, this Vaccine does not work to prevent disease or the spread, which, is why people were commenting from the email. There are still commercials that say get vaccinated, stop the spread. Or "Im doing this to protect my grandma", It is a known fact this vaccine does not stop the spread. If they want to market this vaccine and get people to take it, then do it correctly! Provide the correct information.
"It may prevent serious illness or death!". The End!
Keyword "may". The fact is that MOST people that get COVID, even those with underlying health conditions recover without hospitalization. The vaccine did not do what it was thought to do, prevent the spread, transmission and death because YES there are people who were fully jabbed that died with COVID. I don't get why there are people doubling down on this lol especially being that the narrative is falling apart quickly.
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I’m so disappointed. I will not clarify the purpose and benefit of Covid vaccination. It’s no longer a peer-to-peer conversation. I have seen Covid attack all different types of people in so many different ways, with long term effects from acute Covid infection and new effects that we are just starting to see now that haven't yet been widely reported by public media news sources…..I have had the same conversation so many times professionally and personally and I am now done. I am no longer willing to fight for those who cannot understand or who choose not to care about other people they may never meet. Good luck to you all.
“The true measure of any society can be found in how it treats its most vulnerable members.”
— Mahatma Gandhi
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Posted by LastLightGlow
I’m so disappointed. I will not clarify the purpose and benefit of Covid vaccination. It’s no longer a peer-to-peer conversation. I have seen Covid attack all different types of people in so many different ways, with long term effects from acute Covid infection and new effects that we are just starting to see now that haven't yet been widely reported by public media news sources…..I have had the same conversation so many times professionally and personally and I am now done. I am no longer willing to fight for those who cannot understand or who choose not to care about other people they may never meet. Good luck to you all.
“The true measure of any society can be found in how it treats its most vulnerable members.”
— Mahatma Gandhi
Same to you.
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Re: Email about masks in school
Posted by LastLightGlow
I’m so disappointed. I will not clarify the purpose and benefit of Covid vaccination. It’s no longer a peer-to-peer conversation. I have seen Covid attack all different types of people in so many different ways, with long term effects from acute Covid infection and new effects that we are just starting to see now that haven't yet been widely reported by public media news sources…..I have had the same conversation so many times professionally and personally and I am now done. I am no longer willing to fight for those who cannot understand or who choose not to care about other people they may never meet. Good luck to you all.
“The true measure of any society can be found in how it treats its most vulnerable members.”
— Mahatma Gandhi
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Re: Email about masks in school
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Posted by NervousNell
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Posted by Hofstra26
Posted by 3girls1dog
I don't think the vaccine did anything but make some people rich.
......... and keep countless others out of the hospital or dying.
I don't care one way or the other what choices people make for themselves but those that don't want to be vaccinated REALLY need to stop insisting the vaccine doesn't work. It's just a completely ridiculous and unfounded statement.
It doesn't work to stop the spread like it was supposed to.
It only works to protect an individual person....and it doesn't even work to keep that person from getting Covid- it just mitigates severe illness.
Mitigating severe illness is NOT trivial.
The vaccine might not stop the spread or keep you from contracting COVID but it certainly will keep *you* from getting severely ill. For myself, I'll take that security blanket.
To that end, a vaccinated population is a healthier, stronger population. The better our collective immune rresponse is the less virulent subsequent strains become.
Everyone is free to make their own decisions regarding the vaccine, I'm just tired of hearing "it doesn't even work" simply because a person doesn't want to get the vaccine. It's false and misleading rhetoric.
I didn't say mitigating severe illness is trivial.
That's great.
For the PERSON who chooses to get it.
Just like you are responsible to get your diagnostic tests like mamos, colonoscopies, etc
It helps YOU
But they should NEVER EVER be mandated. That's a huge issue I have with this.
Nobody ever mandated a flu shot-which works pretty much the same as this vaccine- maybe even better- so why?
And I don't want this vaccine- but that's not the reason I say it doesn't work- I say it doesn't work because look at this past month- the numbers were through the roof.
I understand what you're saying but I'm not arguing over mandates. That wasn't my point. I'm just tired of "the vaccine doesn't work" chant.
I think the VERY important thing to pay attention to though is that while cases are up people aren't getting nearly as sick from the virus as they were just a year ago with other strains AND most hospitals aren't overwhelmed like they were early on.
It would be remiss of anyone to believe that a vaccinated population of people worldwide didn't contribute to the omicron variant being less virulent and therfore people not getting as sick and dying as they were in 2020.
Again, the vaccine isn't 100% protection but it certainly works. That's my only point. I am with you on the mandates because although DH and I are vaccinated and boostered I don't want to get the vaccine for my kids for a few reasons. The main reason being they were mostly fine when they had COVID and our incidence of positive cases is so low by us anyway.
I think when people say “the vaccine doesn’t work”, they’re saying it doesn’t do what it was promised it would do. People can argue all they want by saying the vaccine has kept people from the hospitals, from dying, or from having severe cases when in reality it’s the nature of a virus combined with immunity that has let that happened. There’s no bigger proof that our own history and how humans have dealt with pathogens like viruses throughout thousands of years. But u gotta love how big pharma loves to take the credit for it...”no, it’s the vaccine that’s saving humanity!” Yeah right. In the end they’ll promise u the moon and the stars but they’ll always deliver a faulty, risky product and this fact alone should be reason enough to never allow it to be mandated. If an individual want to believe everything they say with all their “own” science, go right ahead but if another individual is skeptical and doesn’t buy it, that should be ok too.
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| Posted 1/30/22 5:05 PM |
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soontobemommyof2
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Re: Email about masks in school
Posted by Sash
Posted by oldtimerocknroll
Everyone is free to make their own decisions regarding the vaccine, I'm just tired of hearing "it doesn't even work" simply because a person doesn't want to get the vaccine. It's false and misleading rhetoric.
I totally agree with you.
As with most things, in my opinion, extremes don't work. It's untrue to say the vaccine does absolutely nothing, and it's untrue to say the vaccine is the miracle antidote.
Sorry, Hofstra, I messed up the quoting, and it cut your username out!
I agree with you on the extremes.
However, this Vaccine does not work to prevent disease or the spread, which, is why people were commenting from the email. There are still commercials that say get vaccinated, stop the spread. Or "Im doing this to protect my grandma", It is a known fact this vaccine does not stop the spread. If they want to market this vaccine and get people to take it, then do it correctly! Provide the correct information.
"It may prevent serious illness or death!". The End!
I doubt they will ever admit to this just like they had never admitted their other vaccines come with risks. They’d never, ever admitted that and I highly doubt they will with the covid vaccine.
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| Posted 1/30/22 5:11 PM |
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Re: Email about masks in school
Posted by MrsA1012
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Posted by Sash
Mandatory masking in schools is going to end at some point when the science or the courts, or hopefully both, say it should.
I had an issue with this. Are we following science or not? The courts should make a ruling based on science. Something about courts deciding rubs me the wrong way. There shouldn’t be an OR in that statement.
Case against masks
Two takeaways from the article:
1- with regard to KN95 masks " no real-world data indicate that these masks decrease transmission in school settings"
2-Over the past 21 months, slowly and with much resistance, the layers of mythology around COVID-19 mitigation in schools have been peeled away, each time without producing the much-ballyhooed increases in COVID-19. Schools did not become hot spots when they reopened, nor when they reduced physical distancing, nor when they eliminated deep-cleaning protocols. These layers were peeled away because the evidence supporting them was weak, and they all had substantial downsides for children’s education and health.
So for all those claiming mask follow the "science" this article shows all the flaws in the "studies" that claim masks are effective.
Also from the article:
Mental and social-emotional outcomes are hard to observe and measure, and can take years to manifest. Initial data, however, are not reassuring. Recent prospective studies from Greece and Italy found evidence that masking is a barrier to speech recognition, hearing, and communication, and that masks impede children’s ability to decode facial expressions, dampening children’s perceived trustworthiness of faces. Research has also suggested that hearing-impaired children have difficulty discerning individual sounds; opaque masks, of course, prevent lip-reading. Some teachers, parents, and speech pathologists have reported that masks can make learning difficult for some of America’s most vulnerable children, including those with cognitive delays, speech and hearing issues, and autism. Masks may also hinder language and speech development—especially important for students who do not speak English at home. Masks may impede emotion recognition, even in adults, but particularly in children. This fall, when children were asked, many said that prolonged mask wearing is uncomfortable and that they dislike it.
The letter posted is nothing more than a CYA and propaganda to encourage mask wearing. Forget about all the negatives and what it's doing to our kids. And no it's not supported by science.
I want to be able to choose what's right for my kid and I don't believe that wearing masks is effective and they shouldn't have to wear them. IF another parent thinks differently great. But parents should be able to decide what's best.
TBH I doubt the mask mandates will end anytime soon. People like to control. Enough already- our kids deserve better
. Amen ! The powers that be take advantage of the fact that very few people understand what studies rank the highest. Google the hierarchy of scientific evidence. Randomized control trials are the gold standard for figuring out if an intervention works in the real world. Pre 2020 ,multiple Rcts were done to see if facemasks stop the spread of influenza and they all found that there was no effective in reducing transmission. That’s the real reason public health officials didn’t recommend masks at the start. Subsequent rcts ( Danmask , Bangladesh study ) don’t show a statistically significant difference. Finally , the real world evidence shows NO correlation between the stringency of mask mandates. No where , all over the world. I could show you graph after graph after graph with the same pattern over and over.The mask advocates point to what is known as mechanistic studies, where they blow aerosols into a mask wearing mannequins face and claim mask lower transmission. However, this type of study is much lower on the totem of pole of quality evidence than an RCT. They also point to studies where they analyses case rates for a very short period and the masked area did better but once the study ended the case rates between masked and unmasked equalized ( see the Kansas mask study for such an example )
And the sad thing is that all these articles and studies have been around, from different, reputable sources but anything that challenges the present narrative gets dismissed and labeled as conspiracy theories. It doesn’t matter where it comes from, that’s irrelevant to them. It’s the sad reality we’re living in.
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| Posted 1/30/22 5:36 PM |
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KarenK122
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Email about masks in school
No one can say that the vaccine works because no one knows how they would have reacted to Covid without it. It is exactly like the flu "vaccine" and they need to stop pushing it because all of their commercials and infomercials about it are lies. You are not protecting anyone but yourself, maybe. A year ago it was all about herd immunity. We don't hear about that anymore because we surpassed those numbers and it's still here. Now we are seeing the courts get involved so this should all end soon.
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| Posted 1/30/22 6:44 PM |
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ali120206
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Re: Email about masks in school
Posted by KarenK122
No one can say that the vaccine works because no one knows how they would have reacted to Covid without it. It is exactly like the flu "vaccine" and they need to stop pushing it because all of their commercials and infomercials about it are lies. You are not protecting anyone but yourself, maybe. A year ago it was all about herd immunity. We don't hear about that anymore because we surpassed those numbers and it's still here. Now we are seeing the courts get involved so this should all end soon.
Yes - it’s hard to know because it impacts everyone so differently.
I do think there were some benefits of the vaccine, and it definitely helped the first variant, but I think it’s time to ease restrictions. Especially since not everyone is wearing perfectly fitting N95s or KN95s.
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| Posted 1/30/22 7:32 PM |
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Re: Email about masks in school
Posted by KarenK122
No one can say that the vaccine works because no one knows how they would have reacted to Covid without it. It is exactly like the flu "vaccine" and they need to stop pushing it because all of their commercials and infomercials about it are lies. You are not protecting anyone but yourself, maybe. A year ago it was all about herd immunity. We don't hear about that anymore because we surpassed those numbers and it's still here. Now we are seeing the courts get involved so this should all end soon.
Agreed and I have said this over and over.
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| Posted 1/30/22 9:20 PM |
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NervousNell
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Re: Email about masks in school
Posted by KarenK122
No one can say that the vaccine works because no one knows how they would have reacted to Covid without it. It is exactly like the flu "vaccine" and they need to stop pushing it because all of their commercials and infomercials about it are lies. You are not protecting anyone but yourself, maybe. A year ago it was all about herd immunity. We don't hear about that anymore because we surpassed those numbers and it's still here. Now we are seeing the courts get involved so this should all end soon.
Let's hope so.....
There is zero legal reason to mandate a vaccine that doesn't prevent spread.
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| Posted 1/31/22 12:03 AM |
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3girls1dog
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Email about masks in school
Not saying vaccine related because I have no proof.........However watching the news today the reported 4 people who had heart attacks while shoveling. It makes me wonder.
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