Re: Help me understand how our rights are being taken away

Posted by Hofstra26

Posted by windyweather21

Posted by Hofstra26

Posted by JennP

Blu, you're right. They aren't, or at least not in the context that many of the posters on here are saying.

I don't have time to reply to every point that Chiliswife made but I hope people question/look into her points before they take them at face value because they are largely untrue, distortions, and misrepresentations.

I will say this, though: Saying we don't have the "right" to healthcare like that's a good thing, or like that's how it should be, is representative of a foundational difference in thinking that I don't know how to bridge. It's just morally wrong and as long as we as a society continue to accept that as truth the longer we'll continue our decline.

I agree with many points you both made.

I think many people have taken all things relating to COVID, mandates that were put into place for the sole purpose of protecting the public interest and health, and have grossly overexaggerated the detrimental impact it has had on their "freedoms", their rights and their lives.

Trust me when I say that I certainly do not agree with much of the politics in this country and on BOTH sides there are those that will abuse their power. However, I 100% do not think or have ever once felt that the government was trying to "control" me or strip me of my freedoms and right to express myself. Aside from a wearing a mask and social distancing when needed, my life has felt pretty much the same as it always did. I haven't at all felt that I've had less rights or freedoms than I did prior to COVID.

I find it sad how so many in this country have behaved during this WORLD health crisis and pandemic. I think that is far more disturbing than anything the government has implemented or asked of people.

Consider yourself lucky then. Many have lost jobs when this first started or after having to choose between a vaccine and their career.

You come off as a very spoiled, self-centered individual who think that anyone who experiences anything differently is just wrong and they have no right to complain.

As usual, WTF are you even talking about?

***APOLOGIES TO ALL FOR DERAILING THIS THREAD FOR A QUICK SECOND****

I will say this ONE more time and then I will not continue to engage with you on this thread or any other thread EVER again.

Something is f@&king wrong with you. Your BLATANT OBESSION with me along with the ludicrous amount of time and energy you put into assuming things about people you don't know, strangers on a forum who aren't your friends and this forum as a whole is so unhealthy and mentally unstable that I can't even understand how you manage to function in your real life.

Likely, because you don't have a real life.

You're a sad little follower on here who just "claps" and "likes" everything the same three people on here say because you're so blindingly insecure that the the attention from people who don't know you from a hole in the wall seemingly means the world to you.

You stalk posters and try to research the h-e-l-l out of them.

You obsess over posters and every word they have ever spoken.

But worse is that you are a passive-aggressive insulting POS.

And you NEVER remove yourself from any thread or conversation because without LIF you have NOTHING to fill your day with. You reply rapid fire 24/7 because this forum is seemingly all you have in your life that matters to you.

That's sad. YOU are sad.

I SO am tired of the same old nonsense with you. You have ruined this forum over the last year and a half with your moronic comments and $hit stirring. You sound like an unhinged idiot every time you reply to me pretending to know anything at all about who I am, what I have, who I know, what I do and on and on and on.

You're a joke. I pity you and literally laugh every time I see one of your posts because you are honestly one of the saddest people I've ever come across. A pathetic, insecure, envious soul who craves attention from strangers and who has made a silly little forum her reason for breathing.

Carry on if you must but going forward, regardless of how many times you address me on here, you will be IGNORED. I am done with all of your games and drama. I am MORE than happy to leave you to whatever epic level of crazy you seem to have in your life. Get help psycho. For real. Something isn't right in your head.

Sorry again, back to the topic at hand.

Re: Help me understand how our rights are being taken away

Re: Help me understand how our rights are being taken away

Re: Help me understand how our rights are being taken away

Re: Help me understand how our rights are being taken away

Posted by windyweather21

Posted by Hofstra26

Posted by JennP

Blu, you're right. They aren't, or at least not in the context that many of the posters on here are saying.

I don't have time to reply to every point that Chiliswife made but I hope people question/look into her points before they take them at face value because they are largely untrue, distortions, and misrepresentations.

I will say this, though: Saying we don't have the "right" to healthcare like that's a good thing, or like that's how it should be, is representative of a foundational difference in thinking that I don't know how to bridge. It's just morally wrong and as long as we as a society continue to accept that as truth the longer we'll continue our decline.

I agree with many points you both made.

I think many people have taken all things relating to COVID, mandates that were put into place for the sole purpose of protecting the public interest and health, and have grossly overexaggerated the detrimental impact it has had on their "freedoms", their rights and their lives.

Trust me when I say that I certainly do not agree with much of the politics in this country and on BOTH sides there are those that will abuse their power. However, I 100% do not think or have ever once felt that the government was trying to "control" me or strip me of my freedoms and right to express myself. Aside from a wearing a mask and social distancing when needed, my life has felt pretty much the same as it always did. I haven't at all felt that I've had less rights or freedoms than I did prior to COVID.

I find it sad how so many in this country have behaved during this WORLD health crisis and pandemic. I think that is far more disturbing than anything the government has implemented or asked of people.

Consider yourself lucky then. Many have lost jobs when this first started or after having to choose between a vaccine and their career.

You come off as a very spoiled, self-centered individual who think that anyone who experiences anything differently is just wrong and they have no right to complain.

Re: Help me understand how our rights are being taken away

Posted by MrsWoods

Posted by windyweather21

Posted by Hofstra26

Posted by JennP

Blu, you're right. They aren't, or at least not in the context that many of the posters on here are saying.

I don't have time to reply to every point that Chiliswife made but I hope people question/look into her points before they take them at face value because they are largely untrue, distortions, and misrepresentations.

I will say this, though: Saying we don't have the "right" to healthcare like that's a good thing, or like that's how it should be, is representative of a foundational difference in thinking that I don't know how to bridge. It's just morally wrong and as long as we as a society continue to accept that as truth the longer we'll continue our decline.

I agree with many points you both made.

I think many people have taken all things relating to COVID, mandates that were put into place for the sole purpose of protecting the public interest and health, and have grossly overexaggerated the detrimental impact it has had on their "freedoms", their rights and their lives.

Trust me when I say that I certainly do not agree with much of the politics in this country and on BOTH sides there are those that will abuse their power. However, I 100% do not think or have ever once felt that the government was trying to "control" me or strip me of my freedoms and right to express myself. Aside from a wearing a mask and social distancing when needed, my life has felt pretty much the same as it always did. I haven't at all felt that I've had less rights or freedoms than I did prior to COVID.

I find it sad how so many in this country have behaved during this WORLD health crisis and pandemic. I think that is far more disturbing than anything the government has implemented or asked of people.

Consider yourself lucky then. Many have lost jobs when this first started or after having to choose between a vaccine and their career.

You come off as a very spoiled, self-centered individual who think that anyone who experiences anything differently is just wrong and they have no right to complain.

I would have to agree that your comment sounds privileged

Re: Help me understand how our rights are being taken away

Posted by Hofstra26

Posted by MrsWoods

Posted by windyweather21

Posted by Hofstra26

Posted by JennP

Blu, you're right. They aren't, or at least not in the context that many of the posters on here are saying.

I don't have time to reply to every point that Chiliswife made but I hope people question/look into her points before they take them at face value because they are largely untrue, distortions, and misrepresentations.

I will say this, though: Saying we don't have the "right" to healthcare like that's a good thing, or like that's how it should be, is representative of a foundational difference in thinking that I don't know how to bridge. It's just morally wrong and as long as we as a society continue to accept that as truth the longer we'll continue our decline.

I agree with many points you both made.

I think many people have taken all things relating to COVID, mandates that were put into place for the sole purpose of protecting the public interest and health, and have grossly overexaggerated the detrimental impact it has had on their "freedoms", their rights and their lives.

Trust me when I say that I certainly do not agree with much of the politics in this country and on BOTH sides there are those that will abuse their power. However, I 100% do not think or have ever once felt that the government was trying to "control" me or strip me of my freedoms and right to express myself. Aside from a wearing a mask and social distancing when needed, my life has felt pretty much the same as it always did. I haven't at all felt that I've had less rights or freedoms than I did prior to COVID.

I find it sad how so many in this country have behaved during this WORLD health crisis and pandemic. I think that is far more disturbing than anything the government has implemented or asked of people.

Consider yourself lucky then. Many have lost jobs when this first started or after having to choose between a vaccine and their career.

You come off as a very spoiled, self-centered individual who think that anyone who experiences anything differently is just wrong and they have no right to complain.

I would have to agree that your comment sounds privileged

There is nothing privileged about it.

The fact is, the government isn't trying to "control" anyone. Period.

Nobody's rights have been stripped away.

Nobody is living under severe oppression from our government.

Look at country's that suffer under REAL oppression, countries like Korea where you can be killed for having your own opinion, and then show me how bad Americans have it because they had to follow some COVID protocols.

Sorry, I just don't agree and feel that much of the outrage is much ado about nothing. JMO.

Re: Help me understand how our rights are being taken away

Posted by Hofstra26

Posted by MrsWoods

Posted by windyweather21

Posted by Hofstra26

Posted by JennP

Blu, you're right. They aren't, or at least not in the context that many of the posters on here are saying.

I don't have time to reply to every point that Chiliswife made but I hope people question/look into her points before they take them at face value because they are largely untrue, distortions, and misrepresentations.

I will say this, though: Saying we don't have the "right" to healthcare like that's a good thing, or like that's how it should be, is representative of a foundational difference in thinking that I don't know how to bridge. It's just morally wrong and as long as we as a society continue to accept that as truth the longer we'll continue our decline.

I agree with many points you both made.

I think many people have taken all things relating to COVID, mandates that were put into place for the sole purpose of protecting the public interest and health, and have grossly overexaggerated the detrimental impact it has had on their "freedoms", their rights and their lives.

Trust me when I say that I certainly do not agree with much of the politics in this country and on BOTH sides there are those that will abuse their power. However, I 100% do not think or have ever once felt that the government was trying to "control" me or strip me of my freedoms and right to express myself. Aside from a wearing a mask and social distancing when needed, my life has felt pretty much the same as it always did. I haven't at all felt that I've had less rights or freedoms than I did prior to COVID.

I find it sad how so many in this country have behaved during this WORLD health crisis and pandemic. I think that is far more disturbing than anything the government has implemented or asked of people.

Consider yourself lucky then. Many have lost jobs when this first started or after having to choose between a vaccine and their career.

You come off as a very spoiled, self-centered individual who think that anyone who experiences anything differently is just wrong and they have no right to complain.

I would have to agree that your comment sounds privileged

There is nothing privileged about it.

The fact is, the government isn't trying to "control" anyone. Period.

Nobody's rights have been stripped away.

Nobody is living under severe oppression from our government.

Look at country's that suffer under REAL oppression, countries like Korea where you can be killed for having your own opinion, and then show me how bad Americans have it because they had to follow some COVID protocols.

Sorry, I just don't agree and feel that much of the outrage is much ado about nothing. JMO.

Re: Help me understand how our rights are being taken away

Posted by lululu

Posted by Hofstra26

Posted by MrsWoods

Posted by windyweather21

Posted by Hofstra26

Posted by JennP

Blu, you're right. They aren't, or at least not in the context that many of the posters on here are saying.

I don't have time to reply to every point that Chiliswife made but I hope people question/look into her points before they take them at face value because they are largely untrue, distortions, and misrepresentations.

I will say this, though: Saying we don't have the "right" to healthcare like that's a good thing, or like that's how it should be, is representative of a foundational difference in thinking that I don't know how to bridge. It's just morally wrong and as long as we as a society continue to accept that as truth the longer we'll continue our decline.

I agree with many points you both made.

I think many people have taken all things relating to COVID, mandates that were put into place for the sole purpose of protecting the public interest and health, and have grossly overexaggerated the detrimental impact it has had on their "freedoms", their rights and their lives.

Trust me when I say that I certainly do not agree with much of the politics in this country and on BOTH sides there are those that will abuse their power. However, I 100% do not think or have ever once felt that the government was trying to "control" me or strip me of my freedoms and right to express myself. Aside from a wearing a mask and social distancing when needed, my life has felt pretty much the same as it always did. I haven't at all felt that I've had less rights or freedoms than I did prior to COVID.

I find it sad how so many in this country have behaved during this WORLD health crisis and pandemic. I think that is far more disturbing than anything the government has implemented or asked of people.

Consider yourself lucky then. Many have lost jobs when this first started or after having to choose between a vaccine and their career.

You come off as a very spoiled, self-centered individual who think that anyone who experiences anything differently is just wrong and they have no right to complain.

I would have to agree that your comment sounds privileged

There is nothing privileged about it.

The fact is, the government isn't trying to "control" anyone. Period.

Nobody's rights have been stripped away.

Nobody is living under severe oppression from our government.

Look at country's that suffer under REAL oppression, countries like Korea where you can be killed for having your own opinion, and then show me how bad Americans have it because they had to follow some COVID protocols.

Sorry, I just don't agree and feel that much of the outrage is much ado about nothing. JMO.

You are certainly entitled to your opinion but just because someone else has it worse (No. Koreans for example) does not mean that what is going on here is constitutional. Frankly I actually hate the comparison because what goes on in a dictatorship has nothing to do with whether or not our government is abiding by the boundaries which have been set by our constitution.

There was a lot of debate about forced vaccines in NY right preceding the pandemic - specifically mandatory HPV and Flu shots. To me, that's the government overreaching. HPV is a sexually transmitted disease which is entirely preventable, yet we will most likely be forced to give it to our children for school. And I think that the concern right now is that the government is overreaching now as well and if we sit by and allow that to happen, slowly, but surely over time they will continue to infringe on our rights.

Re: Help me understand how our rights are being taken away

Message edited 2/9/2022 8:33:40 PM.

Re: Help me understand how our rights are being taken away

Posted by lululu

Posted by Hofstra26

Posted by MrsWoods

Posted by windyweather21

Posted by Hofstra26

Posted by JennP

Blu, you're right. They aren't, or at least not in the context that many of the posters on here are saying.

I don't have time to reply to every point that Chiliswife made but I hope people question/look into her points before they take them at face value because they are largely untrue, distortions, and misrepresentations.

I will say this, though: Saying we don't have the "right" to healthcare like that's a good thing, or like that's how it should be, is representative of a foundational difference in thinking that I don't know how to bridge. It's just morally wrong and as long as we as a society continue to accept that as truth the longer we'll continue our decline.

I agree with many points you both made.

I think many people have taken all things relating to COVID, mandates that were put into place for the sole purpose of protecting the public interest and health, and have grossly overexaggerated the detrimental impact it has had on their "freedoms", their rights and their lives.

Trust me when I say that I certainly do not agree with much of the politics in this country and on BOTH sides there are those that will abuse their power. However, I 100% do not think or have ever once felt that the government was trying to "control" me or strip me of my freedoms and right to express myself. Aside from a wearing a mask and social distancing when needed, my life has felt pretty much the same as it always did. I haven't at all felt that I've had less rights or freedoms than I did prior to COVID.

I find it sad how so many in this country have behaved during this WORLD health crisis and pandemic. I think that is far more disturbing than anything the government has implemented or asked of people.

Consider yourself lucky then. Many have lost jobs when this first started or after having to choose between a vaccine and their career.

You come off as a very spoiled, self-centered individual who think that anyone who experiences anything differently is just wrong and they have no right to complain.

I would have to agree that your comment sounds privileged

There is nothing privileged about it.

The fact is, the government isn't trying to "control" anyone. Period.

Nobody's rights have been stripped away.

Nobody is living under severe oppression from our government.

Look at country's that suffer under REAL oppression, countries like Korea where you can be killed for having your own opinion, and then show me how bad Americans have it because they had to follow some COVID protocols.

Sorry, I just don't agree and feel that much of the outrage is much ado about nothing. JMO.

You are certainly entitled to your opinion but just because someone else has it worse (No. Koreans for example) does not mean that what is going on here is constitutional. Frankly I actually hate the comparison because what goes on in a dictatorship has nothing to do with whether or not our government is abiding by the boundaries which have been set by our constitution.

There was a lot of debate about forced vaccines in NY right preceding the pandemic - specifically mandatory HPV and Flu shots. To me, that's the government overreaching. HPV is a sexually transmitted disease which is entirely preventable, yet we will most likely be forced to give it to our children for school. And I think that the concern right now is that the government is overreaching now as well and if we sit by and allow that to happen, slowly, but surely over time they will continue to infringe on our rights.

Re: Help me understand how our rights are being taken away

Posted by Hofstra26

Posted by lululu

Posted by Hofstra26

Posted by MrsWoods

Posted by windyweather21

Posted by Hofstra26

Posted by JennP

Blu, you're right. They aren't, or at least not in the context that many of the posters on here are saying.

I don't have time to reply to every point that Chiliswife made but I hope people question/look into her points before they take them at face value because they are largely untrue, distortions, and misrepresentations.

I will say this, though: Saying we don't have the "right" to healthcare like that's a good thing, or like that's how it should be, is representative of a foundational difference in thinking that I don't know how to bridge. It's just morally wrong and as long as we as a society continue to accept that as truth the longer we'll continue our decline.

I agree with many points you both made.

I think many people have taken all things relating to COVID, mandates that were put into place for the sole purpose of protecting the public interest and health, and have grossly overexaggerated the detrimental impact it has had on their "freedoms", their rights and their lives.

Trust me when I say that I certainly do not agree with much of the politics in this country and on BOTH sides there are those that will abuse their power. However, I 100% do not think or have ever once felt that the government was trying to "control" me or strip me of my freedoms and right to express myself. Aside from a wearing a mask and social distancing when needed, my life has felt pretty much the same as it always did. I haven't at all felt that I've had less rights or freedoms than I did prior to COVID.

I find it sad how so many in this country have behaved during this WORLD health crisis and pandemic. I think that is far more disturbing than anything the government has implemented or asked of people.

Consider yourself lucky then. Many have lost jobs when this first started or after having to choose between a vaccine and their career.

You come off as a very spoiled, self-centered individual who think that anyone who experiences anything differently is just wrong and they have no right to complain.

I would have to agree that your comment sounds privileged

There is nothing privileged about it.

The fact is, the government isn't trying to "control" anyone. Period.

Nobody's rights have been stripped away.

Nobody is living under severe oppression from our government.

Look at country's that suffer under REAL oppression, countries like Korea where you can be killed for having your own opinion, and then show me how bad Americans have it because they had to follow some COVID protocols.

Sorry, I just don't agree and feel that much of the outrage is much ado about nothing. JMO.

You are certainly entitled to your opinion but just because someone else has it worse (No. Koreans for example) does not mean that what is going on here is constitutional. Frankly I actually hate the comparison because what goes on in a dictatorship has nothing to do with whether or not our government is abiding by the boundaries which have been set by our constitution.

There was a lot of debate about forced vaccines in NY right preceding the pandemic - specifically mandatory HPV and Flu shots. To me, that's the government overreaching. HPV is a sexually transmitted disease which is entirely preventable, yet we will most likely be forced to give it to our children for school. And I think that the concern right now is that the government is overreaching now as well and if we sit by and allow that to happen, slowly, but surely over time they will continue to infringe on our rights.

The comparison to Korea is simply for perspective. I won't argue that there is some level of government overreach however, the way *some* talk you would think that living in America/NY today is akin to living in an actual dictatorship. In fact, I've lost track of the number of times people on here have called Hochul and Cuomo a dictator which couldn't be further from reality. So with regards to the discussion, I do think people are being a little dramatic. Our rights and freedoms, for all intents and purposes, are relatively in tact.

That aside, I agree with you regarding the HPV vaccine. I didn't give that one to my DD nor will I give it to my son.

Re: Help me understand how our rights are being taken away

Posted by Hofstra26

Posted by lululu

Posted by Hofstra26

Posted by MrsWoods

Posted by windyweather21

Posted by Hofstra26

Posted by JennP

Blu, you're right. They aren't, or at least not in the context that many of the posters on here are saying.

I don't have time to reply to every point that Chiliswife made but I hope people question/look into her points before they take them at face value because they are largely untrue, distortions, and misrepresentations.

I will say this, though: Saying we don't have the "right" to healthcare like that's a good thing, or like that's how it should be, is representative of a foundational difference in thinking that I don't know how to bridge. It's just morally wrong and as long as we as a society continue to accept that as truth the longer we'll continue our decline.

I agree with many points you both made.

I think many people have taken all things relating to COVID, mandates that were put into place for the sole purpose of protecting the public interest and health, and have grossly overexaggerated the detrimental impact it has had on their "freedoms", their rights and their lives.

Trust me when I say that I certainly do not agree with much of the politics in this country and on BOTH sides there are those that will abuse their power. However, I 100% do not think or have ever once felt that the government was trying to "control" me or strip me of my freedoms and right to express myself. Aside from a wearing a mask and social distancing when needed, my life has felt pretty much the same as it always did. I haven't at all felt that I've had less rights or freedoms than I did prior to COVID.

I find it sad how so many in this country have behaved during this WORLD health crisis and pandemic. I think that is far more disturbing than anything the government has implemented or asked of people.

Consider yourself lucky then. Many have lost jobs when this first started or after having to choose between a vaccine and their career.

You come off as a very spoiled, self-centered individual who think that anyone who experiences anything differently is just wrong and they have no right to complain.

I would have to agree that your comment sounds privileged

There is nothing privileged about it.

The fact is, the government isn't trying to "control" anyone. Period.

Nobody's rights have been stripped away.

Nobody is living under severe oppression from our government.

Look at country's that suffer under REAL oppression, countries like Korea where you can be killed for having your own opinion, and then show me how bad Americans have it because they had to follow some COVID protocols.

Sorry, I just don't agree and feel that much of the outrage is much ado about nothing. JMO.

You are certainly entitled to your opinion but just because someone else has it worse (No. Koreans for example) does not mean that what is going on here is constitutional. Frankly I actually hate the comparison because what goes on in a dictatorship has nothing to do with whether or not our government is abiding by the boundaries which have been set by our constitution.

There was a lot of debate about forced vaccines in NY right preceding the pandemic - specifically mandatory HPV and Flu shots. To me, that's the government overreaching. HPV is a sexually transmitted disease which is entirely preventable, yet we will most likely be forced to give it to our children for school. And I think that the concern right now is that the government is overreaching now as well and if we sit by and allow that to happen, slowly, but surely over time they will continue to infringe on our rights.

The comparison to Korea is simply for perspective. I won't argue that there is some level of government overreach however, the way *some* talk you would think that living in America/NY today is akin to living in an actual dictatorship. In fact, I've lost track of the number of times people on here have called Hochul and Cuomo a dictator which couldn't be further from reality. So with regards to the discussion, I do think people are being a little dramatic. Our rights and freedoms, for all intents and purposes, are relatively in tact.

That aside, I agree with you regarding the HPV vaccine. I didn't give that one to my DD nor will I give it to my son.

Re: Help me understand how our rights are being taken away

Posted by MrsWoods

Posted by Hofstra26

Posted by lululu

Posted by Hofstra26

Posted by MrsWoods

Posted by windyweather21

Posted by Hofstra26

Posted by JennP

Blu, you're right. They aren't, or at least not in the context that many of the posters on here are saying.

I don't have time to reply to every point that Chiliswife made but I hope people question/look into her points before they take them at face value because they are largely untrue, distortions, and misrepresentations.

I will say this, though: Saying we don't have the "right" to healthcare like that's a good thing, or like that's how it should be, is representative of a foundational difference in thinking that I don't know how to bridge. It's just morally wrong and as long as we as a society continue to accept that as truth the longer we'll continue our decline.

I agree with many points you both made.

I think many people have taken all things relating to COVID, mandates that were put into place for the sole purpose of protecting the public interest and health, and have grossly overexaggerated the detrimental impact it has had on their "freedoms", their rights and their lives.

Trust me when I say that I certainly do not agree with much of the politics in this country and on BOTH sides there are those that will abuse their power. However, I 100% do not think or have ever once felt that the government was trying to "control" me or strip me of my freedoms and right to express myself. Aside from a wearing a mask and social distancing when needed, my life has felt pretty much the same as it always did. I haven't at all felt that I've had less rights or freedoms than I did prior to COVID.

I find it sad how so many in this country have behaved during this WORLD health crisis and pandemic. I think that is far more disturbing than anything the government has implemented or asked of people.

Consider yourself lucky then. Many have lost jobs when this first started or after having to choose between a vaccine and their career.

You come off as a very spoiled, self-centered individual who think that anyone who experiences anything differently is just wrong and they have no right to complain.

I would have to agree that your comment sounds privileged

There is nothing privileged about it.

The fact is, the government isn't trying to "control" anyone. Period.

Nobody's rights have been stripped away.

Nobody is living under severe oppression from our government.

Look at country's that suffer under REAL oppression, countries like Korea where you can be killed for having your own opinion, and then show me how bad Americans have it because they had to follow some COVID protocols.

Sorry, I just don't agree and feel that much of the outrage is much ado about nothing. JMO.

You are certainly entitled to your opinion but just because someone else has it worse (No. Koreans for example) does not mean that what is going on here is constitutional. Frankly I actually hate the comparison because what goes on in a dictatorship has nothing to do with whether or not our government is abiding by the boundaries which have been set by our constitution.

There was a lot of debate about forced vaccines in NY right preceding the pandemic - specifically mandatory HPV and Flu shots. To me, that's the government overreaching. HPV is a sexually transmitted disease which is entirely preventable, yet we will most likely be forced to give it to our children for school. And I think that the concern right now is that the government is overreaching now as well and if we sit by and allow that to happen, slowly, but surely over time they will continue to infringe on our rights.

The comparison to Korea is simply for perspective. I won't argue that there is some level of government overreach however, the way *some* talk you would think that living in America/NY today is akin to living in an actual dictatorship. In fact, I've lost track of the number of times people on here have called Hochul and Cuomo a dictator which couldn't be further from reality. So with regards to the discussion, I do think people are being a little dramatic. Our rights and freedoms, for all intents and purposes, are relatively in tact.

That aside, I agree with you regarding the HPV vaccine. I didn't give that one to my DD nor will I give it to my son.

Heres an example of dictatorship of the USA: The Military man/woman who served their country for years, whos risked his/her life time and time again should be discharged because they don't want to take some vaccine? Oh and its not an honorable discharge where they at least get some stipend for their service. They get fired basically.

So thats ok with you? None of your freedoms have been taken away so maybe you live the clouds in your fancy house and don't have a clue about the real world and will probably say "but its their choice so its the consequences" NOPE!!! This Covid crap has brought to light how much the government is taking control a little bit at a time so what you do, how you do it and everything in between is controlled by them.

Re: Help me understand how our rights are being taken away

Posted by MrsWoods

Posted by Hofstra26

Posted by lululu

Posted by Hofstra26

Posted by MrsWoods

Posted by windyweather21

Posted by Hofstra26

Posted by JennP

Blu, you're right. They aren't, or at least not in the context that many of the posters on here are saying.

I don't have time to reply to every point that Chiliswife made but I hope people question/look into her points before they take them at face value because they are largely untrue, distortions, and misrepresentations.

I will say this, though: Saying we don't have the "right" to healthcare like that's a good thing, or like that's how it should be, is representative of a foundational difference in thinking that I don't know how to bridge. It's just morally wrong and as long as we as a society continue to accept that as truth the longer we'll continue our decline.

I agree with many points you both made.

I think many people have taken all things relating to COVID, mandates that were put into place for the sole purpose of protecting the public interest and health, and have grossly overexaggerated the detrimental impact it has had on their "freedoms", their rights and their lives.

Trust me when I say that I certainly do not agree with much of the politics in this country and on BOTH sides there are those that will abuse their power. However, I 100% do not think or have ever once felt that the government was trying to "control" me or strip me of my freedoms and right to express myself. Aside from a wearing a mask and social distancing when needed, my life has felt pretty much the same as it always did. I haven't at all felt that I've had less rights or freedoms than I did prior to COVID.

I find it sad how so many in this country have behaved during this WORLD health crisis and pandemic. I think that is far more disturbing than anything the government has implemented or asked of people.

Consider yourself lucky then. Many have lost jobs when this first started or after having to choose between a vaccine and their career.

You come off as a very spoiled, self-centered individual who think that anyone who experiences anything differently is just wrong and they have no right to complain.

I would have to agree that your comment sounds privileged

There is nothing privileged about it.

The fact is, the government isn't trying to "control" anyone. Period.

Nobody's rights have been stripped away.

Nobody is living under severe oppression from our government.

Look at country's that suffer under REAL oppression, countries like Korea where you can be killed for having your own opinion, and then show me how bad Americans have it because they had to follow some COVID protocols.

Sorry, I just don't agree and feel that much of the outrage is much ado about nothing. JMO.

You are certainly entitled to your opinion but just because someone else has it worse (No. Koreans for example) does not mean that what is going on here is constitutional. Frankly I actually hate the comparison because what goes on in a dictatorship has nothing to do with whether or not our government is abiding by the boundaries which have been set by our constitution.

There was a lot of debate about forced vaccines in NY right preceding the pandemic - specifically mandatory HPV and Flu shots. To me, that's the government overreaching. HPV is a sexually transmitted disease which is entirely preventable, yet we will most likely be forced to give it to our children for school. And I think that the concern right now is that the government is overreaching now as well and if we sit by and allow that to happen, slowly, but surely over time they will continue to infringe on our rights.

The comparison to Korea is simply for perspective. I won't argue that there is some level of government overreach however, the way *some* talk you would think that living in America/NY today is akin to living in an actual dictatorship. In fact, I've lost track of the number of times people on here have called Hochul and Cuomo a dictator which couldn't be further from reality. So with regards to the discussion, I do think people are being a little dramatic. Our rights and freedoms, for all intents and purposes, are relatively in tact.

That aside, I agree with you regarding the HPV vaccine. I didn't give that one to my DD nor will I give it to my son.

Heres an example of dictatorship of the USA: The Military man/woman who served their country for years, whos risked his/her life time and time again should be discharged because they don't want to take some vaccine? Oh and its not an honorable discharge where they at least get some stipend for their service. They get fired basically.

So thats ok with you? None of your freedoms have been taken away so maybe you live the clouds in your fancy house and don't have a clue about the real world and will probably say "but its their choice so its the consequences" NOPE!!! This Covid crap has brought to light how much the government is taking control a little bit at a time so what you do, how you do it and everything in between is controlled by them.

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Posted by Hofstra26

Posted by lululu

Posted by Hofstra26

Posted by MrsWoods

Posted by windyweather21

Posted by Hofstra26

Posted by JennP

Blu, you're right. They aren't, or at least not in the context that many of the posters on here are saying.

I don't have time to reply to every point that Chiliswife made but I hope people question/look into her points before they take them at face value because they are largely untrue, distortions, and misrepresentations.

I will say this, though: Saying we don't have the "right" to healthcare like that's a good thing, or like that's how it should be, is representative of a foundational difference in thinking that I don't know how to bridge. It's just morally wrong and as long as we as a society continue to accept that as truth the longer we'll continue our decline.

I agree with many points you both made.

I think many people have taken all things relating to COVID, mandates that were put into place for the sole purpose of protecting the public interest and health, and have grossly overexaggerated the detrimental impact it has had on their "freedoms", their rights and their lives.

Trust me when I say that I certainly do not agree with much of the politics in this country and on BOTH sides there are those that will abuse their power. However, I 100% do not think or have ever once felt that the government was trying to "control" me or strip me of my freedoms and right to express myself. Aside from a wearing a mask and social distancing when needed, my life has felt pretty much the same as it always did. I haven't at all felt that I've had less rights or freedoms than I did prior to COVID.

I find it sad how so many in this country have behaved during this WORLD health crisis and pandemic. I think that is far more disturbing than anything the government has implemented or asked of people.

Consider yourself lucky then. Many have lost jobs when this first started or after having to choose between a vaccine and their career.

You come off as a very spoiled, self-centered individual who think that anyone who experiences anything differently is just wrong and they have no right to complain.

I would have to agree that your comment sounds privileged

There is nothing privileged about it.

The fact is, the government isn't trying to "control" anyone. Period.

Nobody's rights have been stripped away.

Nobody is living under severe oppression from our government.

Look at country's that suffer under REAL oppression, countries like Korea where you can be killed for having your own opinion, and then show me how bad Americans have it because they had to follow some COVID protocols.

Sorry, I just don't agree and feel that much of the outrage is much ado about nothing. JMO.

You are certainly entitled to your opinion but just because someone else has it worse (No. Koreans for example) does not mean that what is going on here is constitutional. Frankly I actually hate the comparison because what goes on in a dictatorship has nothing to do with whether or not our government is abiding by the boundaries which have been set by our constitution.

There was a lot of debate about forced vaccines in NY right preceding the pandemic - specifically mandatory HPV and Flu shots. To me, that's the government overreaching. HPV is a sexually transmitted disease which is entirely preventable, yet we will most likely be forced to give it to our children for school. And I think that the concern right now is that the government is overreaching now as well and if we sit by and allow that to happen, slowly, but surely over time they will continue to infringe on our rights.

The comparison to Korea is simply for perspective. I won't argue that there is some level of government overreach however, the way *some* talk you would think that living in America/NY today is akin to living in an actual dictatorship. In fact, I've lost track of the number of times people on here have called Hochul and Cuomo a dictator which couldn't be further from reality. So with regards to the discussion, I do think people are being a little dramatic. Our rights and freedoms, for all intents and purposes, are relatively in tact.

That aside, I agree with you regarding the HPV vaccine. I didn't give that one to my DD nor will I give it to my son.

Heres an example of dictatorship of the USA: The Military man/woman who served their country for years, whos risked his/her life time and time again should be discharged because they don't want to take some vaccine? Oh and its not an honorable discharge where they at least get some stipend for their service. They get fired basically.

So thats ok with you? None of your freedoms have been taken away so maybe you live the clouds in your fancy house and don't have a clue about the real world and will probably say "but its their choice so its the consequences" NOPE!!! This Covid crap has brought to light how much the government is taking control a little bit at a time so what you do, how you do it and everything in between is controlled by them.

Re: Help me understand how our rights are being taken away

Posted by Hofstra26

Posted by lululu

Posted by Hofstra26

Posted by MrsWoods

Posted by windyweather21

Posted by Hofstra26

Posted by JennP

Blu, you're right. They aren't, or at least not in the context that many of the posters on here are saying.

I don't have time to reply to every point that Chiliswife made but I hope people question/look into her points before they take them at face value because they are largely untrue, distortions, and misrepresentations.

I will say this, though: Saying we don't have the "right" to healthcare like that's a good thing, or like that's how it should be, is representative of a foundational difference in thinking that I don't know how to bridge. It's just morally wrong and as long as we as a society continue to accept that as truth the longer we'll continue our decline.

I agree with many points you both made.

I think many people have taken all things relating to COVID, mandates that were put into place for the sole purpose of protecting the public interest and health, and have grossly overexaggerated the detrimental impact it has had on their "freedoms", their rights and their lives.

Trust me when I say that I certainly do not agree with much of the politics in this country and on BOTH sides there are those that will abuse their power. However, I 100% do not think or have ever once felt that the government was trying to "control" me or strip me of my freedoms and right to express myself. Aside from a wearing a mask and social distancing when needed, my life has felt pretty much the same as it always did. I haven't at all felt that I've had less rights or freedoms than I did prior to COVID.

I find it sad how so many in this country have behaved during this WORLD health crisis and pandemic. I think that is far more disturbing than anything the government has implemented or asked of people.

Consider yourself lucky then. Many have lost jobs when this first started or after having to choose between a vaccine and their career.

You come off as a very spoiled, self-centered individual who think that anyone who experiences anything differently is just wrong and they have no right to complain.

I would have to agree that your comment sounds privileged

There is nothing privileged about it.

The fact is, the government isn't trying to "control" anyone. Period.

Nobody's rights have been stripped away.

Nobody is living under severe oppression from our government.

Look at country's that suffer under REAL oppression, countries like Korea where you can be killed for having your own opinion, and then show me how bad Americans have it because they had to follow some COVID protocols.

Sorry, I just don't agree and feel that much of the outrage is much ado about nothing. JMO.

You are certainly entitled to your opinion but just because someone else has it worse (No. Koreans for example) does not mean that what is going on here is constitutional. Frankly I actually hate the comparison because what goes on in a dictatorship has nothing to do with whether or not our government is abiding by the boundaries which have been set by our constitution.

There was a lot of debate about forced vaccines in NY right preceding the pandemic - specifically mandatory HPV and Flu shots. To me, that's the government overreaching. HPV is a sexually transmitted disease which is entirely preventable, yet we will most likely be forced to give it to our children for school. And I think that the concern right now is that the government is overreaching now as well and if we sit by and allow that to happen, slowly, but surely over time they will continue to infringe on our rights.

The comparison to Korea is simply for perspective. I won't argue that there is some level of government overreach however, the way *some* talk you would think that living in America/NY today is akin to living in an actual dictatorship. In fact, I've lost track of the number of times people on here have called Hochul and Cuomo a dictator which couldn't be further from reality. So with regards to the discussion, I do think people are being a little dramatic. Our rights and freedoms, for all intents and purposes, are relatively in tact.

That aside, I agree with you regarding the HPV vaccine. I didn't give that one to my DD nor will I give it to my son.

Re: Help me understand how our rights are being taken away

Posted by lululu

Posted by Hofstra26

Posted by lululu

Posted by Hofstra26

Posted by MrsWoods

Posted by windyweather21

Posted by Hofstra26

Posted by JennP

Blu, you're right. They aren't, or at least not in the context that many of the posters on here are saying.

I don't have time to reply to every point that Chiliswife made but I hope people question/look into her points before they take them at face value because they are largely untrue, distortions, and misrepresentations.

I will say this, though: Saying we don't have the "right" to healthcare like that's a good thing, or like that's how it should be, is representative of a foundational difference in thinking that I don't know how to bridge. It's just morally wrong and as long as we as a society continue to accept that as truth the longer we'll continue our decline.

I agree with many points you both made.

I think many people have taken all things relating to COVID, mandates that were put into place for the sole purpose of protecting the public interest and health, and have grossly overexaggerated the detrimental impact it has had on their "freedoms", their rights and their lives.

Trust me when I say that I certainly do not agree with much of the politics in this country and on BOTH sides there are those that will abuse their power. However, I 100% do not think or have ever once felt that the government was trying to "control" me or strip me of my freedoms and right to express myself. Aside from a wearing a mask and social distancing when needed, my life has felt pretty much the same as it always did. I haven't at all felt that I've had less rights or freedoms than I did prior to COVID.

I find it sad how so many in this country have behaved during this WORLD health crisis and pandemic. I think that is far more disturbing than anything the government has implemented or asked of people.

Consider yourself lucky then. Many have lost jobs when this first started or after having to choose between a vaccine and their career.

You come off as a very spoiled, self-centered individual who think that anyone who experiences anything differently is just wrong and they have no right to complain.

I would have to agree that your comment sounds privileged

There is nothing privileged about it.

The fact is, the government isn't trying to "control" anyone. Period.

Nobody's rights have been stripped away.

Nobody is living under severe oppression from our government.

Look at country's that suffer under REAL oppression, countries like Korea where you can be killed for having your own opinion, and then show me how bad Americans have it because they had to follow some COVID protocols.

Sorry, I just don't agree and feel that much of the outrage is much ado about nothing. JMO.

You are certainly entitled to your opinion but just because someone else has it worse (No. Koreans for example) does not mean that what is going on here is constitutional. Frankly I actually hate the comparison because what goes on in a dictatorship has nothing to do with whether or not our government is abiding by the boundaries which have been set by our constitution.

There was a lot of debate about forced vaccines in NY right preceding the pandemic - specifically mandatory HPV and Flu shots. To me, that's the government overreaching. HPV is a sexually transmitted disease which is entirely preventable, yet we will most likely be forced to give it to our children for school. And I think that the concern right now is that the government is overreaching now as well and if we sit by and allow that to happen, slowly, but surely over time they will continue to infringe on our rights.

The comparison to Korea is simply for perspective. I won't argue that there is some level of government overreach however, the way *some* talk you would think that living in America/NY today is akin to living in an actual dictatorship. In fact, I've lost track of the number of times people on here have called Hochul and Cuomo a dictator which couldn't be further from reality. So with regards to the discussion, I do think people are being a little dramatic. Our rights and freedoms, for all intents and purposes, are relatively in tact.

That aside, I agree with you regarding the HPV vaccine. I didn't give that one to my DD nor will I give it to my son.

Well good thing you left NY because it will be mandated here at age 11 sooner than we think.

And yes while I agree there are many who are reacting stronger than I might think necessary, I am kind of glad they are. I think it’s good in this country to keep our government in check in both sides of the aisle.

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I dont want to quote but if you don’t want to use the seatbelt law has a comparison fine take any Law you want and compare it to now. My point is we were never truly free and quite frankly we can’t be. Society would be more of a shittt show then it already is.

We have to have laws and they obviously need to be adapted has times change.

My comment on other vaccines being ok. I get the covid one is new and I am not saying everyone should just be ok taking it. You have that right to not want to.

What I am saying is people should be against alll vaccine mandates not just this one if you are against the covid one.

I get why some vaccines are mandated but I also see why they should not be mandated. I don’t pick and chose when i think something is not right because it’s fits or doesn’t fit my personal agenda.


No one has really “convinced” me how anything going on now is different from any other law except that they don’t agree with it and don’t think it’s working. Which is fine your opinion and when it really comes down to it you have a choice On not listening to it.

Again I am not even for any of these mandates I just don’t buy into all the gloom and doom people are making it seem when I feel it’s nothing different that has what has been going on forever.

Also I’m not calling out anyone on this site I see a lot of craziness over social media!!


PS chiliswife I would love to know what conspiracy theories have been proven to be right. Not because I don’t believe you but more because I am really am interested!!

Re: Help me understand how our rights are being taken away

Posted by Hofstra26

Posted by lululu

Posted by Hofstra26

Posted by lululu

Posted by Hofstra26

Posted by MrsWoods

Posted by windyweather21

Posted by Hofstra26

Posted by JennP

Blu, you're right. They aren't, or at least not in the context that many of the posters on here are saying.

I don't have time to reply to every point that Chiliswife made but I hope people question/look into her points before they take them at face value because they are largely untrue, distortions, and misrepresentations.

I will say this, though: Saying we don't have the "right" to healthcare like that's a good thing, or like that's how it should be, is representative of a foundational difference in thinking that I don't know how to bridge. It's just morally wrong and as long as we as a society continue to accept that as truth the longer we'll continue our decline.

I agree with many points you both made.

I think many people have taken all things relating to COVID, mandates that were put into place for the sole purpose of protecting the public interest and health, and have grossly overexaggerated the detrimental impact it has had on their "freedoms", their rights and their lives.

Trust me when I say that I certainly do not agree with much of the politics in this country and on BOTH sides there are those that will abuse their power. However, I 100% do not think or have ever once felt that the government was trying to "control" me or strip me of my freedoms and right to express myself. Aside from a wearing a mask and social distancing when needed, my life has felt pretty much the same as it always did. I haven't at all felt that I've had less rights or freedoms than I did prior to COVID.

I find it sad how so many in this country have behaved during this WORLD health crisis and pandemic. I think that is far more disturbing than anything the government has implemented or asked of people.

Consider yourself lucky then. Many have lost jobs when this first started or after having to choose between a vaccine and their career.

You come off as a very spoiled, self-centered individual who think that anyone who experiences anything differently is just wrong and they have no right to complain.

I would have to agree that your comment sounds privileged

There is nothing privileged about it.

The fact is, the government isn't trying to "control" anyone. Period.

Nobody's rights have been stripped away.

Nobody is living under severe oppression from our government.

Look at country's that suffer under REAL oppression, countries like Korea where you can be killed for having your own opinion, and then show me how bad Americans have it because they had to follow some COVID protocols.

Sorry, I just don't agree and feel that much of the outrage is much ado about nothing. JMO.

You are certainly entitled to your opinion but just because someone else has it worse (No. Koreans for example) does not mean that what is going on here is constitutional. Frankly I actually hate the comparison because what goes on in a dictatorship has nothing to do with whether or not our government is abiding by the boundaries which have been set by our constitution.

There was a lot of debate about forced vaccines in NY right preceding the pandemic - specifically mandatory HPV and Flu shots. To me, that's the government overreaching. HPV is a sexually transmitted disease which is entirely preventable, yet we will most likely be forced to give it to our children for school. And I think that the concern right now is that the government is overreaching now as well and if we sit by and allow that to happen, slowly, but surely over time they will continue to infringe on our rights.

The comparison to Korea is simply for perspective. I won't argue that there is some level of government overreach however, the way *some* talk you would think that living in America/NY today is akin to living in an actual dictatorship. In fact, I've lost track of the number of times people on here have called Hochul and Cuomo a dictator which couldn't be further from reality. So with regards to the discussion, I do think people are being a little dramatic. Our rights and freedoms, for all intents and purposes, are relatively in tact.

That aside, I agree with you regarding the HPV vaccine. I didn't give that one to my DD nor will I give it to my son.

Well good thing you left NY because it will be mandated here at age 11 sooner than we think.

And yes while I agree there are many who are reacting stronger than I might think necessary, I am kind of glad they are. I think it’s good in this country to keep our government in check in both sides of the aisle.

I agree with you.

With regards to COVID mandates, my honest opinion is that initially everything implemented was with good intentions. We had an unknown virus with no understanding of how to treat it or deal with it and many were dying. All we could do to protect ourselves and others was to mask up and keep our distance. But I understand some of the frustration at this point with many of these mandates, much of what's going on doesn't make a lot of sense anymore.

It does seem that things are beginning to ease somewhat as each variant becomes less and less threatening. Hoping this is finally the year we get back to "real" normal.

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The minute it was realized this particular vaccine did not stop transmission and spread every single mandate of it should have been vacated. Period.
That is when these mandates became about power and control and not about public health.

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