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Re: Goose KillerHauppauge Industrial Park - Breaktime Deli
Posted by Stacey1403
I just have to say that together as a group we are a force to be reckoned with. How awesome is it that this guy will hopefully get what's coming to him because of people of this site
And that is the truth!!!
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Re: Goose KillerHauppauge Industrial Park - Breaktime Deli
I'm sure that I am going to be ripped apart for this--but I figured I would post on here just to maybe play devil's advocate cause this whole thing has caused quite the uproar.
I admit that in the beginning, I too was caught up in this story and everything. But after looking at it....its become like villagers with torches running to a castle to kill the monster!
Okay this is my thing, yes there were some geese that were killed..I believe the number was 2. But besides one random person who claims to have witnessed the incident.....we have no idea what happened. The original story that was told was that he rammed into a huge family at 60 mph -- yet only 2 were killed. On this site we've posted all kinds of media stories and such from various credible sources and have had plenty of doubt to the truth of thing and considered it probably false---yet one person who works in the industrial park whom we have no idea might have some sort of issues with the owner of the deli---says they say this incident, and we are all taking it as 100% truth without any doubts or considering any other sides of the story or any chance that this might have been a misunderstanding or accident that has been blown out of proportion.
My entire issue with this thing is how much the witness in this case seems to have a HUGE desire to destroy the owner of the deli. I mean after first posting the story he made a bit of a slanderous claim that people believe that James might be "on drugs"....why is this necessary? The fact that he made sure to mention other things that he didn't like about the DELI itself, and how he doesn't want them to get the business or hopes that no one ever goes there again......it just doesn't sit well with me. And a friend of mine that works in the industrial park said that a certain person printed out info on this thread and placed flyers allll over the cars there. (I'm not saying its the 'witness' here--but it would coincide with the behavior of wanting to smear this deli owner).
I know that we are all big animal lovers, myself included, and the idea that someone would kill these innocent geese purposely, makes our blood boil. But its like a lynch mob was created to destroy this man's business. I think of the employees who probably work there and have families, who might wind up losing their jobs if this deli is shut down if the owner is arrested or something. If he did it--then he deserves to go to jail. But if this was a terrible accident or misunderstanding or even worse...a case of someone having a vendetta against him......its like he has been tried, judged, and convicted before he got a chance to know what was happening.
Again, I'm sure people will hate me hard for this, but I had to just get that out.
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Re: Goose KillerHauppauge Industrial Park - Breaktime Deli
I think I made the point perfectly clear that I have nothing personally against the owner, nor do I have any doubt that his intent was to kill as many geese as possible.
You can play devils advocate all you want, the reaction was from animal lovers who care. I personally never speculated anything about drugs. I purposely wrote that it was PURE SPECULATION and nothing else.
He has an extremely large truck, and I mentioned in a post that it actually could have been worse if he had a normal car. I mentioned, again, that most were babies so they were much smaller than adult geese.
I don't need to validate my point anymore. You can think whatever you want.
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| Posted 6/26/08 10:14 AM |
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Re: Goose KillerHauppauge Industrial Park - Breaktime Deli
Posted by tbrown8686
I think I made the point perfectly clear that I have nothing personally against the owner, nor do I have any doubt that his intent was to kill as many geese as possible.
You can play devils advocate all you want, the reaction was from animal lovers who care. I personally never speculated anything about drugs. I purposely wrote that it was PURE SPECULATION and nothing else.
He has an extremely large truck, and I mentioned in a post that it actually could have been worse if he had a normal car. I mentioned, again, that most were babies so they were much smaller than adult geese.
I don't need to validate my point anymore. You can think whatever you want.
Like I said before---you are the ONLY one who is a witness to this and you DID in fact make sure to point out in your post that its a "speculation" that the deli owner might be on drugs...whether you said it as speculation or not--you still made sure to point it out. Why? What point does that have to do with him and his truck hitting these geese? This is why I said that it just seemed a little bit like you were sounding like you had something against this man. I'm sorry if this gets you upset or defensive, but this one person's entire business and life is being affected by your witness account.
I was just trying to express how quick everyone was to jump on this without knowing much more about the story.
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| Posted 6/26/08 10:19 AM |
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Re: Goose KillerHauppauge Industrial Park - Breaktime Deli
I think the point I got out of this was to have it investigated, which the more publicity it gets, the more the desire for the parties involved to come to a conclusion.
The people on this board have been guilty of jumping on people for mis-spelling, using all caps and just different opinions in general.
But this particular thread makes it seem like an angry mob
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| Posted 6/26/08 10:21 AM |
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Re: Goose KillerHauppauge Industrial Park - Breaktime Deli
Posted by diva7531
I think the point I got out of this was to have it investigated, which the more publicity it gets, the more the desire for the parties involved to come to a conclusion.
The people on this board have been guilty of jumping on people for mis-spelling, using all caps and just different opinions in general.
But this particular thread makes it seem like an angry mob
Thank you Ryan--that is what I meant. I don't think it should NOT have been investigated--it absolutely 100% should have. But this thread has turned into a lynching against the deli owner! I mean seriously -- flyers printed out of the thread and put on people's CARS at the industrial park?? Whatever happened to letting it be investigated and seeing what the outcome was!!
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| Posted 6/26/08 10:25 AM |
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Re: Goose KillerHauppauge Industrial Park - Breaktime Deli
Posted by tbrown8686
I think I made the point perfectly clear that I have nothing personally against the owner, nor do I have any doubt that his intent was to kill as many geese as possible.
You can play devils advocate all you want, the reaction was from animal lovers who care. I personally never speculated anything about drugs. I purposely wrote that it was PURE SPECULATION and nothing else.
He has an extremely large truck, and I mentioned in a post that it actually could have been worse if he had a normal car. I mentioned, again, that most were babies so they were much smaller than adult geese.
I don't need to validate my point anymore. You can think whatever you want.
you're 100% right.
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| Posted 6/26/08 10:30 AM |
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Re: Goose KillerHauppauge Industrial Park - Breaktime Deli
Posted by MrsPJB2007
Posted by diva7531
I think the point I got out of this was to have it investigated, which the more publicity it gets, the more the desire for the parties involved to come to a conclusion.
The people on this board have been guilty of jumping on people for mis-spelling, using all caps and just different opinions in general.
But this particular thread makes it seem like an angry mob
Thank you Ryan--that is what I meant. I don't think it should NOT have been investigated--it absolutely 100% should have. But this thread has turned into a lynching against the deli owner! I mean seriously -- flyers printed out of the thread and put on people's CARS at the industrial park?? Whatever happened to letting it be investigated and seeing what the outcome was!!
I agree to have it investigated but isn't that what he did? Remember tbrown wasn't the initial poster on this - it was a long time poster who was friends with him. He came on to give the full story. It didn't seem like he was looking for an angry mob to me. He was looking for guidance on how to report to. I think it was an angry mob based on the nature of the act - intentionally running down geese.
For me the number doesn't matter. Running down any animal intentionally isn't a person I'd want to do business with. I, for one, am glad it was posted.
They are investigating as the Newsday article pointed out. When the facts come out & the investigation complete, I'd be glad to see the guy vindicated or sentenced as the authorities decide.
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Re: Goose KillerHauppauge Industrial Park - Breaktime Deli
I'm not sure who did that (I 100% absolutely didn't) but the point is that you cannot get away with doing what he did. If it causes a stir (which animal cruelty usually does) then he deserves what's coming to him. We're all adults on this site. We're responsible for our own actions. If someone is moved to act on something regardless of what is read, or proved, or whatever, then they are responsible.
You don't have to speak on behalf of everyone that replied, or was moved to do something about it. I also completely understand your point 100%. Regardless of whether or not you agree with the quick reaction, my account of the situation has been proven true, and I can't go any further than that until the investigation is complete.
He deserves what he gets. Sorry you think otherwise.
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| Posted 6/26/08 10:33 AM |
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Re: Goose KillerHauppauge Industrial Park - Breaktime Deli
Posted by MrsPJB2007
Posted by tbrown8686
I think I made the point perfectly clear that I have nothing personally against the owner, nor do I have any doubt that his intent was to kill as many geese as possible.
You can play devils advocate all you want, the reaction was from animal lovers who care. I personally never speculated anything about drugs. I purposely wrote that it was PURE SPECULATION and nothing else.
He has an extremely large truck, and I mentioned in a post that it actually could have been worse if he had a normal car. I mentioned, again, that most were babies so they were much smaller than adult geese.
I don't need to validate my point anymore. You can think whatever you want.
Like I said before---you are the ONLY one who is a witness to this and you DID in fact make sure to point out in your post that its a "speculation" that the deli owner might be on drugs...whether you said it as speculation or not--you still made sure to point it out. Why? What point does that have to do with him and his truck hitting these geese? This is why I said that it just seemed a little bit like you were sounding like you had something against this man. I'm sorry if this gets you upset or defensive, but this one person's entire business and life is being affected by your witness account.
I was just trying to express how quick everyone was to jump on this without knowing much more about the story.
Melissa I completely agree with you. The other day someone posted something and within 5 minutes 4 people had linked it to Snopes as false. And it was such a silly thing and this is something that can really ruin a lot of people. Now i know you can't look up on Snopes to see if a man in Happauge did in fact kill some geese on purpose but this whole thing is very one sided. I would like to know the deli owner's side of the story. As for whether he does drugs or if Sung had a fly in his breakfast burrito what does that have to do with anything.
As for all the people that contacted News 12 what exactly did you tell them? You should look into this story about vehicular 1st degree murder of geese that a guy on the internet told me about??
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| Posted 6/26/08 10:34 AM |
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Re: Goose KillerHauppauge Industrial Park - Breaktime Deli
Posted by nrthshgrl
For me the number doesn't matter. Running down any animal intentionally isn't a person I'd want to do business with. I, for one, am glad it was posted.
They are investigating as the Newsday article pointed out. When the facts come out & the investigation complete, I'd be glad to see the guy vindicated or sentenced as the authorities decide.
ITA. I feel the poster who witnessed it has 100% done the correct thing. He didn't go try to beat up the deli guy, he reported it to the proper authorities. I PERSONALLY would not have expected any news coverage until an arrest was made for the reasons mentioned above, though. I volunteer at a shelter, I care for ducks at a local pond, I am a huge animal lover, BUT this deli owner is innocent until proven guilty, right now it’s just one persons word against another. I am VERY happy that it was reported to all the proper authorities, very happy that it’s being investigated and I asked my mother not to patronize the place until the investigation is done and the details are clear. I don’t really see the angry mob thing, I don’t think there have been groups of people going to the deli picketing or anything
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| Posted 6/26/08 10:38 AM |
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Re: Goose KillerHauppauge Industrial Park - Breaktime Deli
Posted by nrthshgrl
I agree to have it investigated but isn't that what he did? Remember tbrown wasn't the initial poster on this - it was a long time poster who was friends with him. He came on to give the full story. It didn't seem like he was looking for an angry mob to me. He was looking for guidance on how to report to. I think it was an angry mob based on the nature of the act - intentionally running down geese.
For me the number doesn't matter. Running down any animal intentionally isn't a person I'd want to do business with. I, for one, am glad it was posted.
They are investigating as the Newsday article pointed out. When the facts come out & the investigation complete, I'd be glad to see the guy vindicated or sentenced as the authorities decide.
Well the witness in this case did in fact contact the appropriate authorities and that is great. BUT once it was posted on HERE---it became "lets try and destroy this man's business!!!!" That is what I am in disagreement with, and its not necessarily about tbrown, but everyone in general. I only pointed out tbrown's statements because the drug speculation really bothered me, and made me feel like there might be a history or something between him and this deli owner.
As well, he did say that he wanted to make sure that EVERYONE stopped going to this man's shop and many people on here agreed and were going crazy forwarding this thread and the News 12 sound off board info to anyone and everyone agreeing how we should practically shut this man down!
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| Posted 6/26/08 10:38 AM |
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Re: Goose KillerHauppauge Industrial Park - Breaktime Deli
nvm
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Re: Goose KillerHauppauge Industrial Park - Breaktime Deli
Posted by KittyTheStray
I don’t think there have been groups of people going to the deli picketing or anything
Now you're giving people ideas. 
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| Posted 6/26/08 10:40 AM |
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Re: Goose KillerHauppauge Industrial Park - Breaktime Deli
I havent seen any picketers around here. Was he arrested?
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Re: Goose KillerHauppauge Industrial Park - Breaktime Deli
Posted by Blazesyth
Posted by KittyTheStray
I don’t think there have been groups of people going to the deli picketing or anything
Now you're giving people ideas.
Trust me- an angry mob would be doing what I have been desiring to do since this was posted...going there and doing 'bad' things to this piece of sh!t.
I think everyone has shown a lot of restraint!
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| Posted 6/26/08 10:47 AM |
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Re: Goose KillerHauppauge Industrial Park - Breaktime Deli
Posted by PrincessP
I havent seen any picketers around here. Was he arrested?
It doesn't have to be pickets--the deli's number was posted on here. Yes it is public information but posting it on here was fuel to the fire. Some people even called the place and hung up someone joked that people should call and yell "goose killer" or ask if they ave "goose" on the menu. Joke or not--some people DID call the place.
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| Posted 6/26/08 10:58 AM |
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Re: Goose KillerHauppauge Industrial Park - Breaktime Deli
Posted by MeNBobs
Posted by PrincessP
I havent seen any picketers around here. Was he arrested?
It doesn't have to be pickets--the deli's number was posted on here. Yes it is public information but posting it on here was fuel to the fire. Some people even called the place and hung up someone joked that people should call and yell "goose killer" or ask if they ave "goose" on the menu. Joke or not--some people DID call the place.
I have no idea what you are saying unless you misquoted. Someone above me asked if their were picketers so I wrote "I havent seen picketers". Yesterday someone wrote he was being arrested. I wrote "was he arrested"...I am TOTALLY unsure of who you were talking to when you quoted me...
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Re: Goose KillerHauppauge Industrial Park - Breaktime Deli
I only pointed out tbrown's statements because the drug speculation really bothered me, and made me feel like there might be a history or something between him and this deli owner.
As well, he did say that he wanted to make sure that EVERYONE stopped going to this man's shop and many people on here agreed and were going crazy forwarding this thread and the News 12 sound off board info to anyone and everyone agreeing how we should practically shut this man down!
I understand what you're trying to say to a point, however, I dont see how the witness mentioning he may have been on drugs as having a vendetta against the person. My only conclusion to that statement being made is since it's just not understandable for a decent human being to do something so inhumane, he may have pointed out that maybe he was on drugs at the time, and a bit delusional? I dont think it was said to harm anyone. 
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Re: Goose KillerHauppauge Industrial Park - Breaktime Deli
Not arrested - No picketers - Investigation still ongoing.
Yes, I mentioned the drugs ONLY to try and correlate his actions and reasoning for doing something that heinous. Only reason for mentioning it and I really pointed out how those were not my words, nor was it a proven fact.
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Re: Goose KillerHauppauge Industrial Park - Breaktime Deli
Posted by tbrown8686
Not arrested - No picketers - Investigation still ongoing.
Thank! Thats all I wanted to know.
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Re: Goose KillerHauppauge Industrial Park - Breaktime Deli
Posted by tray831
I understand what you're trying to say to a point, however, I dont see how the witness mentioning he may have been on drugs as having a vendetta against the person. My only conclusion to that statement being made is since it's just not understandable for a decent human being to do something so inhumane, he may have pointed out that maybe he was on drugs at the time, and a bit delusional? I dont think it was said to harm anyone.
No--you're right--it could have been just to explain why someone could do this...but it was a combo of that...and then later on he said how he wanted to make sure NO ONE went to this man's business....and mentioned how there are better places around...and talked about the quality of the deli. I'm sure that these might be issues and such, but it had nothing to do with the issue at hand....so all of that combined is why I said it might be more than just about the geese incident....thats what I meant.
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Re: Goose KillerHauppauge Industrial Park - Breaktime Deli
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Re: Goose KillerHauppauge Industrial Park - Breaktime Deli
I think the issue is what MAY have happened not what we are all kind of assuming happened....I would like to think he didnt do this  I even drove thru the parking lot with my stomach in knots to see if this was true-like I said, I saw 2 for sure dead geese, and it was hard to tell from where they were if it was an accident. The story did change from family of geese to 2 dead (after I posted about it) to someone had cleaned up the mess to still only 2-well if someone had come and cleaned it up then why were there still 2? Im upset and confused about the whole thing and really hope *hope* that is was an accident but Im just not getting that vibe at all.
I think he is innocent until proven guilty but I still wont go to his deli-never did and never will. I agree that we just might be pushing something that we may regret-I think its better to be safe then sorry later on
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Re: Goose KillerHauppauge Industrial Park - Breaktime Deli
Posted by MeNBobs
Joke or not--some people DID call the place.
How do you know people DID call them?
Posted by MrsPJB2007
As well, he did say that he wanted to make sure that EVERYONE stopped going to this man's shop and many people on here agreed and were going crazy forwarding this thread and the News 12 sound off board info to anyone and everyone agreeing how we should practically shut this man down!
I think the question you need to ask is...if he is guilty of this, would you want to do business with them? Only you can answer that. Some people don't care what someone does in his/her off-time from work - as long as the food is good (or cheap), they'll go there. It's a personal choice.
I'm not comfortable with it - and while the charges are pending, would withhold my business. The point is moot for me as I don't work or live in the area. I feel for the employees as they will be the ones to suffer if business falters.
Outside of the geese killed, I think the bug or mold would be enough to stop me.
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