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gpsyeyes
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Re: FYI-
Posted by Blu-ize
Posted by Lisa
I have never been asked for a W-2 for any job I have applied for.
I do not think that what I am making at a current job should have any relavance to what I want for a new position. I could be working for a company for 5 years, getting 5 % raises BUT the new position will pay me a lot more than I am making. I do not think I have to justify why I want more money. If I tell them I am making $35k but they are willing to pay $60k but they will only pay me $45k because my salary isnt that high.
my point has nothing to do with that. Employers could ask you what your last comp was, if you say xx and it was different and they find out you weren't truthful, then you are not being honest. If you lied to me about anything in your background and I found out, as an HR person I wouldn't want you working at the firm.
Ever see the employment ads that ask you to submit your resume and cover letter including your salary history? Lots of firms ask. It's part of their due diligence and background checks not always to see what your level is.
I get what you're saying, but my question and concern is that assumptions will be made that someone is lying when they may not be and a job could be lost because someone is assuming you are lying because what you say your salary is can't be backed up. There are too many reasons why someone can't prove their salay that do not mean they are lying. It's would be so unfair to not hire someone because what they stated was their salary and someone's "background" check of salary don't match. That person should then be given the chance to explain - they shouldn't just be dismissed for lying when that may not be the case.
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Blu-ize
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Re: FYI-
other than $$ off the books, what other type of comp?
what could be the explanation?
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| Posted 9/25/08 11:00 AM |
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gpsyeyes
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Re: FYI-
I wrote about this before- the person may have been out on medical leave for part of the year (ie. maternity, workers' comp., disability, etc) and the salary wouldn't match up. They may have bonuses at the end of the year that are a valid part of their complete salary that wouldn't be on a pay stub.
What I am getting at is that there are too many variables to dismiss an applicant based on assumptions that they have lied about their salary to make it a valid tool to determine lying.
So, before anyone should think someone has lied about their salary, they should be given the opportunity to explain, however, that leaves the door open for prospective employers to possibly be given personal information about an applicant's health status, which is none of their business.
Message edited 9/25/2008 11:07:53 AM.
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| Posted 9/25/08 11:06 AM |
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Blu-ize
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Re: FYI-
there are many extenuating circumstances that a person may have for showing different comp on their pay stub. That's why w2s and other infomation is asked for.
I have had a health problem before, I was out for 6 months. I was unemployed and collected for 4 months.
Your pay stub would show your rate of pay. Your w2 would show your earnings from the previous year.
That can all be explained on an app or in an interview.
My salary was x. I was out on personal leave for 6 months. That's honest, doesn't disclose and you can still prove that you earned at a certain rate with documentation, whether it be w2 or pay stub or cover sheet of your tax return.
If you were paid a bonus, it will show in any of these documents. Unless your bonus is guaranteed, it's not a valid part of your comp. My bonuses have always been discretionary.
If you are due a bonus and you are looking for a job before your bonus is paid out, I would definitley mention it. In a lot of industries it's assumed that you will receive a bonus and that's easy to negotiate during the interview and offer process especially if you are looking around bonus time.
After you receive the offer and accept, background checks can be conducted. Your HR dept will be called to verify everything. If your rate of pay was different than you stated, then there may be a problem.
The example I originally posted about was a clear example of dishonesty. The details I won't disclose here, but it was 10000000% apparent she lied. There was no explanation necessary.
If you got paid in some other legal way during your last position, it doesn't matter. Your rate of pay is your rate of pay from that firm. We are not checking income, we are checking pay rate.
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| Posted 9/25/08 11:35 AM |
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mtdr1106
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Re: FYI-
i have only heard of people requesting a w-2 or paystub if their past performance was based upon it. example - if you are in sales and your salary increases correlate with you sales increases etc. i have also heard about this in finance industry.
i personally do not work in finance or sales and would never disclose a w2 to any perspective emplyer. this is a document i would not show my friends - why would i show a complete stranger?
i dont think it is fair to assume someone is a liar or untrustworthy because they wont show a w-2.
i think a resume check holds more weight than any w-2. if my education and experience fits the needs of the open position - the salary burden should lie with the perspective employer and the salary that they are willing to pay me to fill that role - not wheter i reported an accurate w-2.
also - i would think it was illegal for my HR dept to disclose my current salary to anyone.
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| Posted 9/25/08 12:42 PM |
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Blu-ize
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Re: FYI-
you don't have to provide anything to a prospective employer. If you are asked what salary you are at at your current or past job and you over estimate it and they find out, you would risk not getting the job.
Hey, if you don't want to provide a pay stub or a W2 that's your choice. A lot of firms do extensive background checks which include this.
Just telling you what happened. It's a big investment bank. The last 5 places I worked did extensive background checks including verifying what I stated as my salary.
Banking
Law Firm
Manufacturing
If I didn't tell the truth on any of the questions asked, I would not get the job.
It's not always to pigeon hole you into a salary. Your resume alone can attest whether or not you are junior or senior in your given field.
By law, they are allowed to ask for proof. If you don't want to pursue it, don't.
The hiring people are going to know your salary anyway, it doesn't matter if they know what your salary was. Same thing.
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| Posted 9/25/08 2:56 PM |
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SweetestOfPeas
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Re: FYI-
wow! I really can't believe how long this thread is!
it's really very simple, and 'fairness' has nothing to do with it. this is a business deal - end of story.
it is perfectly legal to ask a potential new hire for proof of salary from their last job.
if you don't like that practice, just walk away.
Message edited 9/26/2008 8:59:41 PM.
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| Posted 9/26/08 8:56 PM |
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stickydust
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Re: FYI-
This is interesting - because as an attorney, I have never been asked my salary (nor obviously had it verified). Maybe its because I have always worked at large firms or in-house where the salary is lock-step and pretty much known to everyone.
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| Posted 10/6/08 11:30 PM |
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tourist
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Re: FYI-
Posted by SweetestOfPeas
are there really jobs out there that don't ask you what you've made at your previous/current job? (whether in person or on the application)
I have never NOT seen this Q asked.
I work in marketing for a small book publishing company & we do not ask about previous salaries. One person volunteered that info ( as a reason he was leaving his old job) & it actually kinda hurt him, b/c then we had offer him the low-end of the pre-set range, but he haggled back up to what we would have offered if he kept his trap shut! 
I completely agree with Susan though--don't lie. My job is pretty lax ( they didn't even check my references) but my boss called NYU to see if someone graduated in September like he said, or really in May, and was just being a lazy bum for months, just because she felt like it,and that wasn't even a major issue.
It turned out he didn't lie & he got the job, but it just struck her as odd, so she called. You never know.
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| Posted 10/6/08 11:52 PM |
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nrthshgrl
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Re: FYI-
I found this thread interesting because we're instituting a new divisional policy.
I'm now requiring hiring managers to verify candidates prior salary. They need to provide copies of the last 2 years of W-2s & the last 3 paystubs.
We just found out a manager offered a candidate a 40% increase from what they made the year before. Insane & poor management.
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| Posted 10/8/08 4:00 PM |
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Blu-ize
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Re: FYI-
Posted by nrthshgrl
I found this thread interesting because we're instituting a new divisional policy.
I'm now requiring hiring managers to verify candidates prior salary. They need to provide copies of the last 2 years of W-2s & the last 3 paystubs.
We just found out a manager offered a candidate a 40% increase from what they made the year before. Insane & poor management.
really...that is insane. Sometimes prior salary does indicate what the future salary should be.
Did he say he made more?
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| Posted 10/8/08 5:36 PM |
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gpsyeyes
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Re: FYI-
Posted by nrthshgrl
I found this thread interesting because we're instituting a new divisional policy.
I'm now requiring hiring managers to verify candidates prior salary. They need to provide copies of the last 2 years of W-2s & the last 3 paystubs.
We just found out a manager offered a candidate a 40% increase from what they made the year before. Insane & poor management.
Are the candidates allowed to block out personal information on the W-2 and/or pay stubs like marital status and/or number of dependants?
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| Posted 10/8/08 9:21 PM |
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Blu-ize
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Re: FYI-
Posted by gpsyeyes
Posted by nrthshgrl
I found this thread interesting because we're instituting a new divisional policy.
I'm now requiring hiring managers to verify candidates prior salary. They need to provide copies of the last 2 years of W-2s & the last 3 paystubs.
We just found out a manager offered a candidate a 40% increase from what they made the year before. Insane & poor management.
Are the candidates allowed to block out personal information on the W-2 and/or pay stubs like marital status and/or number of dependants?
ours is..they just want to see the salary.
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| Posted 10/8/08 10:34 PM |
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Christine
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Re: FYI-
Posted by nrthshgrl
I found this thread interesting because we're instituting a new divisional policy.
I'm now requiring hiring managers to verify candidates prior salary. They need to provide copies of the last 2 years of W-2s & the last 3 paystubs.
We just found out a manager offered a candidate a 40% increase from what they made the year before. Insane & poor management.
If the applicant has the qualifications, experience, tested well and has good references...why is a 40% increase a bad thing? Was the offered salary above the approved range for the position? Or is it because your company feels like they got gipped?
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Katie111806
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Re: FYI-
Posted by Christine
Posted by nrthshgrl
I found this thread interesting because we're instituting a new divisional policy.
I'm now requiring hiring managers to verify candidates prior salary. They need to provide copies of the last 2 years of W-2s & the last 3 paystubs.
We just found out a manager offered a candidate a 40% increase from what they made the year before. Insane & poor management.
If the applicant has the qualifications, experience, tested well and has good references...why is a 40% increase a bad thing? Was the offered salary above the approved range for the position? Or is it because your company feels like they got gipped?
I agree. When I moved to my previous job I received a 45% increase from my job before that. I was qualified for the position and don't think I should have not received that only because my salary from the prior year was a lot less.
I'm so surprised people have not been asked about previous salaries on job interviews. I've always been asked (marketing) and have been asked as well to provide a W2.
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| Posted 10/8/08 11:48 PM |
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DRMom
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Re: FYI-
Posted by nrthshgrl
I found this thread interesting because we're instituting a new divisional policy.
I'm now requiring hiring managers to verify candidates prior salary. They need to provide copies of the last 2 years of W-2s & the last 3 paystubs.
We just found out a manager offered a candidate a 40% increase from what they made the year before. Insane & poor management.
But why does his former salary have any impact on what that manager was willing to pay him. This is EXACTLY why I will not further interviews with a company that asks for this. The bottom line is they really don't want to pay much above what you were making before. And if you think about it it's really not fair.
I worked for a real estate company for 5 years. It was my 2nd "real" job. At first I had an awesome pay structure and made great money, Then the company started doing poorly and changed the pay structure so that there was no way we could make the $$ we were making before. If I had showed that years paystubs I would have been pigeonholed into that salary...I ended up leaving and increasing my salary and commission rate based on my merit in interviews for my next job. I negotiated a 30K increase from what they were offering for 9 months and then a 10K increase thereafter(over what others in the same position are making)
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| Posted 10/10/08 6:17 PM |
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lullabella
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Re: FYI-
We ask for current pay stub and this is a very common practice in HR. We also do a background check - all before making an offer. If a candidate refuses we do not pursue them. We do it to verify current employment but also to see if they are being truthful on thier employment application. If it is for a sales position we always ask for previous years W2.
ETA: When recruiting for a position we already have a pre dertermined pay range, so we don't use check salary to low ball candidates.
Message edited 10/15/2008 1:50:10 PM.
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| Posted 10/15/08 1:46 PM |
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itsbabytime
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Re: FYI-
Just curiosity and I apologize if this was already posted (didn't have time to read whole thread) but, how much did they lie by?
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| Posted 10/16/08 11:32 PM |
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Blu-ize
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I don't know. I'm not in HR. I only referred the person to HR after I interviewed them. In my role, I don't discuss money. HR does that.
It was a shame..we liked her.
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