PUPPY STORE DUE TO OPEN AT THE SMITHAVEN MALL

Posted to my Facebook:

Never, ever, ever, buy Puppies in Puppy Stores.....This is the site of the new and upcoming puppy store at the Smith Haven mall in Lake Grove. Help us get the word out that we do not want any puppy stores in Suffolk County, or anywhere! Puppy Store pups come from barbaric Puppy Mills...and don't let anyone tell you different!!! Please join us on November 3rd for a peaceful demonstration on 347 at the mall.

Message edited 10/18/2012 11:10:02 AM.

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I saw that too and got upset. Can we do anything to stop this?

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This makes me physically ill.

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It is gaining momentum on facebook I think..

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=3795952547842&set=a.3313904496942.2125912.1548064754&type=1&theater¬if_t=like

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Yes, please correct the link, I'd like to share it.

With Pick of the Litter in Smithtown still closed from the fire, I wonder if it's the same owner in a new location.

Of course, it could be just another money hungry ******* looking to turn a profit too. And holy cow, what a location too right? UGH terrible.

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Found the event page: http://www.facebook.com/events/435103473214124/

Some other people had a good idea, to complain to Simon malls through their website or the guest services kiosk in the mall.

http://www.simon.com/mall/guestservices.aspx?id=103&s=1

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They already have a location in Roosevelt Field. From their website: "All of our puppies will be AKC registered at time of purchase and a free vet package is provided."

Love to know they do that when a ton of their breeds available are mutts - "designer" mutts - and are not recognized by the AKC.

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http://www.americandogclub.com/index.php

why dont you check out their website before you start saying how they get their puppies from puppy mills, that is not true and if they did the mall obviously wouldnt allow them to open a shop if they did considering puppy mills are illegal..... do your research next time before you start spreading lies thanks

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Posted by daniebod57

http://www.americandogclub.com/index.php

why dont you check out their website before you start saying how they get their puppies from puppy mills, that is not true and if they did the mall obviously wouldnt allow them to open a shop if they did considering puppy mills are illegal..... do your research next time before you start spreading lies thanks

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Posted by daniebod57

http://www.americandogclub.com/index.php

why dont you check out their website before you start saying how they get their puppies from puppy mills, that is not true and if they did the mall obviously wouldnt allow them to open a shop if they did considering puppy mills are illegal..... do your research next time before you start spreading lies thanks

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Im not trying to call you out on it but why would you say those things when they aren't true. Think for a second, if you are opening a store like this one why would the mall accept it if it is illegal to get animals from puppy mills, they obviously did their research before allowing the store to open there. Its not just sign up and get a shop in a mall, its a lot more complicated and a more drawn out process then that.

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Posted by Domino

Posted by daniebod57

http://www.americandogclub.com/index.php

why dont you check out their website before you start saying how they get their puppies from puppy mills, that is not true and if they did the mall obviously wouldnt allow them to open a shop if they did considering puppy mills are illegal..... do your research next time before you start spreading lies thanks

Why dont YOU do your research before you call me out

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Posted by daniebod57

Im not trying to call you out on it but why would you say those things when they aren't true. Think for a second, if you are opening a store like this one why would the mall accept it if it is illegal to get animals from puppy mills, they obviously did their research before allowing the store to open there. Its not just sign up and get a shop in a mall, its a lot more complicated and a more drawn out process then that.

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one more thing---people were going to protest this from opening a few months ago-wonder why?

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Posted by daniebod57

Im not trying to call you out on it but why would you say those things when they aren't true. Think for a second, if you are opening a store like this one why would the mall accept it if it is illegal to get animals from puppy mills, they obviously did their research before allowing the store to open there. Its not just sign up and get a shop in a mall, its a lot more complicated and a more drawn out process then that.

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Better Business Bureau

Also I do not know where you came up with puppy mills being illegal. Clearly you havent done YOUR research. So next time you want to call me out as a liar, come back to me with FACTS.

Pet Store Doublespeak

What pet store staff might tell you and what it really means

The Humane Society of the United States

Despite what they may tell you, pet stores do sell puppy mill puppies. Here's a list of common claims by pet stores, and what they really mean.

Pet stores say: "Our puppies come from breeders, not puppy mills."

The word breeder is not an exclusive term. Anyone who puts two dogs together and produces puppies is, technically, a breeder.

Truly responsible breeders do not sell their puppies to pet stores, they want to meet their puppy buyers in person and do not sell their puppies to the first person who shows up with cash in hand. Most breed club's Code of Ethics state that their breeders refuse to sell their dogs to pet dealers or any other commercial sources of distribution.
"All of our puppies come from USDA-inspected facilities, so we know they are not from puppy mills."

Being USDA or government inspected does not mean that the business is not a puppy mill, any more than having a driver's license guarantees that the holder is a good driver. Unfortunately, most USDA-licensed breeders house dozens or even hundreds of breeding dogs in small wire cages for their entire lives—and sadly, this is legal under current USDA regulations, which require only minimal standards of food, water and shelter. But many USDA facilities have been found in violation of even these minimal standards. It is extremely rare for the USDA to revoke a commercial breeder's license or even fine a puppy mill that has repeated violations. There are hundreds of USDA-licensed puppy mills in operation that have long lists of violations and problems associated with them and yet regularly sell to pet stores.

In May 2010, The Office of Inspector General released a scathing report criticizing USDA's history of lax oversight of dog dealers under the Animal Welfare Act »
"We know our breeders are not puppy mills because we only deal with breeders we know."

If a pet store manager tells you this, ask to see documentation that shows exactly where their suppliers are located. In most cases, you will find out that the breeders they "know" are in distant states. The store manager's definition of "knowing" a breeder often just means they have been receiving shipments of puppies from the same place repeatedly. In most cases, the owner or manager has never visited the breeder's facility or inspected their records. Our investigations have revealed that even when store staff claim they inspect their facilities or hand-pick their puppies, often it is not true.
"We don't sell puppies from local breeders because our state is not regulated, but (the state the puppies come from) is."

Commercial breeders in all states who sell wholesale to pet stores are required to be regulated by the USDA. Some states (such as Missouri and Pennsylvania) also require a state kennel license and state inspections. This does not mean that puppies from Missouri or Pennsylvania are healthier. In fact, these states have two of the worst concentrations of puppy mills in the United States.
"Our store's puppies are healthy—they come with a health certificate from a licensed veterinarian."

A health certificate is not a bonus but is required for any puppy sold commercially across state lines. It only means that the puppy has had a very brief "wellness" check by a veterinarian. This examination does not include testing the puppy or his or her parents for genetic disorders, parasites, or testing for diseases such as Giardia and Brucellosis, both of which are contagious to humans and are frequently seen in puppy mill puppies.
"Our puppies come with a health guarantee."

Read health guarantees very carefully. They are often designed to protect the store's interests more than yours. They can be full of exclusions and loopholes, and often require you to return a sick puppy to the store in order to get a refund. The store management will often use the puppy's health certificate as proof that the animal was healthy when he or she left the store, leaving the buyer helpless if the puppy becomes sick just a few hours or days after purchase.
"Consumers know our puppies are from good breeders because they are registered and come with papers."

Purebred registration papers (from one of many kennel clubs or other dog registries) are only a record of a puppy's parents (and sometimes earlier generations). Puppy mills routinely sell puppies with papers from prestigious sounding kennel clubs. Registration papers do nothing to ensure that an individual puppy (or his or her parents) is healthy or free of genetic defects, or that they were raised in a humane and clean environment.
"We know this is a good breeder. We've never had a problem with any of their puppies."

Keep in mind that even facilities with mostly healthy puppies and problem-free inspection reports may be keeping dozens or even hundreds of breeding dogs in cages for their entire lives. These parent dogs live behind bars from birth until death, without ever feeling grass under their feet, enjoying a treat or toy, or having loving human contact or proper veterinary care. They are bred repeatedly until they can no longer reproduce, and then they are destroyed or discarded.

The real tragedy of puppy mills is that keeping breeding dogs in such a way is perfectly legal. Only the public can stop the cruel cycle of puppy mills, by refusing to buy the puppies that keep these kinds of breeders in business.

Message edited 1/31/2013 7:49:19 PM.

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Posted by strongisland

Posted by Domino

Posted by daniebod57

http://www.americandogclub.com/index.php

why dont you check out their website before you start saying how they get their puppies from puppy mills, that is not true and if they did the mall obviously wouldnt allow them to open a shop if they did considering puppy mills are illegal..... do your research next time before you start spreading lies thanks

Why dont YOU do your research before you call me out

first post by this person--must be the puppy mill store's owner!

puppy stores are puppy mills! where do you get your puppies from then?legit breeders can sell their own pups -they don't need a middle man.

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Posted by daniebod57

Im not trying to call you out on it but why would you say those things when they aren't true. Think for a second, if you are opening a store like this one why would the mall accept it if it is illegal to get animals from puppy mills, they obviously did their research before allowing the store to open there. Its not just sign up and get a shop in a mall, its a lot more complicated and a more drawn out process then that.

PUPPY STORE DUE TO OPEN AT THE SMITHAVEN MALL

I have a good friend that fell in LOVE with a puppy at a store and bought her.

The "guarantee" on the dog's health didn't cover anything. In the first 3 months she had this dog, it racked up over $2000 in medical bills that the "guarantee" didn't want to pay for.

Another friend stupidly bought her mom a basset hound at a pet store. That dog was SO SICK, they ended up having to put him down well before his "senior" years, I think he was 8? Their prior basset hound had lived to the ripe old age of 17, he was obtained from a reputable breeder.

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Posted by daniebod57

Im not trying to call you out on it but why would you say those things when they aren't true. Think for a second, if you are opening a store like this one why would the mall accept it if it is illegal to get animals from puppy mills, they obviously did their research before allowing the store to open there. Its not just sign up and get a shop in a mall, its a lot more complicated and a more drawn out process then that.

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Posted by daniebod57

Im not trying to call you out on it but why would you say those things when they aren't true. Think for a second, if you are opening a store like this one why would the mall accept it if it is illegal to get animals from puppy mills, they obviously did their research before allowing the store to open there. Its not just sign up and get a shop in a mall, its a lot more complicated and a more drawn out process then that.

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Posted by daniebod57

Im not trying to call you out on it but why would you say those things when they aren't true. Think for a second, if you are opening a store like this one why would the mall accept it if it is illegal to get animals from puppy mills, they obviously did their research before allowing the store to open there. Its not just sign up and get a shop in a mall, its a lot more complicated and a more drawn out process then that.

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Posted by Goobster

Posted by daniebod57

Im not trying to call you out on it but why would you say those things when they aren't true. Think for a second, if you are opening a store like this one why would the mall accept it if it is illegal to get animals from puppy mills, they obviously did their research before allowing the store to open there. Its not just sign up and get a shop in a mall, its a lot more complicated and a more drawn out process then that.

Ok. Reputable breeders want their puppies to go to mall patrons who buy dogs on a whim. OK.

Do you sell unicorns too in your new store?