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Re: Anti Vaccination _ thoughts?
Posted by LuckyStar
Delaying vaccines due to reactions is absurd. If your kid is going to have a reaction, they’re going to have a reaction regardless.
I have never met a doctor, nurse or any person employed in the medical field who didn’t follow the CDC recommendations exactly. Not a single person. This is a group of people who have more access and understanding to the information than anyone who graduated from Google school of medicine. And all agree with the recommendations. Interesting, no?
I don't think it's absurd. But, you are entitled to your opinion as am I. If my doctors thought waiting an additional month to do the third or 4th vaccine was an issue and they told me they thought I shouldn't, I would listen to them. When I questioned why my newborn would need the Hep B vaccine, or asked as a new mother if there wasn't any worry about the MMR causing autism (I had really never looked into it before having kids and hearing over and over again that it did - well, it scared me,) my doctor listened to my concerns and then gave me good info and I went with her because she is a great doctor and I trust her.
As to saying "they are going to have a reaction regardless" well, yes, and if I give them 4 shots in one day and they have a reaction, do I blanket decide to never give them anything else because they could have it again?
I had to start a new medication a couple of years ago. Right around when I started it, I got some sort of respiratory thing. I started taking medication to get rid of that and after a few days, I began to get a rash and got pretty unwell. Having started both about the same time, I didn't know which was the issue so now I list both as allergies. Had I not done that, maybe I'd know which was the problem.
At any rate, as I said, I don't disregard my doctor, but I do like to feel comfortable with what they tell me and since they are pretty good, they take the time to put my mind at ease.
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I know someone that doesn’t vaccinate. They told me there is mercury and monkey dna in the vaccines...
I also have a close friend whose child had cancer. Her immune system was wiped out so all the vaccines she previously got were no longer in her system. Her mom stresses out about her going to indoor play places or even school because of anti vaxxers. She will vaccinate her again once she’s in remission long enough.
I vaccinate but I spread them out. I never do more than 1 or 2 in a visit. But my children are caught up before preschool.
Crazy and reckless in my opinion especially after knowing what my friends daughter went through.
Why do you delay vaccines?
The CDC and American Academy of Pediatrics don't just make up the schedule. It is based on scientific tests about when vaccines are most effective, and they make sure that vaccines given together have no interaction. Even by delaying vaccinations, you're putting your child at risk of getting the disease and increasing their risk of side effects to the vaccine.
I see tons of people on LI say they spread out the vaccines, but there is no medical reason to do it. It is using the same logic as anti-vaxxers. I don't understand the medical mechanisms of a vaccine, but I feel like my child shouldn't get more than 1-2 at a visit, so I'm going to substitute medical recommendations for my personal feelings on the matter. It might not be as dangerous as anti-vaxxers, but you're still choosing to put your child and those who can't get vaccinated at risk.
I feel like spreading them out is just a "thing to do" these days. With no real medical or scientific backing as to why.
Yeah, there’s nothing to back it up at all.
A lot of pediatricians in the city refuse to space them. Not sure about out here.
My ped felt strongly about not spacing them. I am not sure he would flat out refuse, because I didn't ask to space them, but I have heard he was very against it.
When DD had to get her MMR and Chicken pox vac at the same time, I asked if I should be concerned about doing both at once and he explained it as- both are live vaccines, both viruses will build up in the body at the same time and both reactions (like mild fever, mild spots) will occur at the same time. It won't be any worse or any harder on her body than doing them seperately and putting her body through it twice.
I felt very comfortable with that- seeing as he went to med school and I did not- and she was fine.
I get this. I feel like if my kid is going to be cranky, get a mild fever, etc might as well get two out of the way at once, rather than have them subjected to that aggravation each and every time they get a single.
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In all seriousness, do you follow every single aap and cdc guideline?
I'll admit I probably don't know every single guideline. I kind of depend on my pediatrician to advise me about them, unless there is media coverage about changes in them, e.g., car seat recommendations from the AAP. But I do follow them as best I can, and I don't make medical decisions in contradiction to them on the assumption that I know better than doctors and science.
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Re: Anti Vaccination _ thoughts?
Posted by LuckyStar
Delaying vaccines due to reactions is absurd. If your kid is going to have a reaction, they’re going to have a reaction regardless.
I have never met a doctor, nurse or any person employed in the medical field who didn’t follow the CDC recommendations exactly for their own children. Not a single person. This is a group of people who have more access and understanding to the information than anyone who graduated from Google school of medicine. And all agree with the recommendations. Interesting, no?
ETA I meant to say for their own children. Those in the medical field, in my experience, always follow the CDC recommendations with their own children.
Our pediatrician spreads them out but they see them more frequently in the first year than others (they see them monthly instead of every two for the first six months and every two instead of 3 months between 6-12)
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Re: Anti Vaccination _ thoughts?
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Posted by mommywantsababy
In all seriousness, do you follow every single aap and cdc guideline?
I'll admit I probably don't know every single guideline. I kind of depend on my pediatrician to advise me about them, unless there is media coverage about changes in them, e.g., car seat recommendations from the AAP. But I do follow them as best I can, and I don't make medical decisions in contradiction to them on the assumption that I know better than doctors and science.
Starbrightgirl, I’m really glad to have a buddy to die on this hill with me 
Don’t most people follow AAP and CDC guidelines? Is this a trick question?
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Re: Anti Vaccination _ thoughts?
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Posted by mommywantsababy
In all seriousness, do you follow every single aap and cdc guideline?
I'll admit I probably don't know every single guideline. I kind of depend on my pediatrician to advise me about them, unless there is media coverage about changes in them, e.g., car seat recommendations from the AAP. But I do follow them as best I can, and I don't make medical decisions in contradiction to them on the assumption that I know better than doctors and science.
Starbrightgirl, I’m really glad to have a buddy to die on this hill with me
Don’t most people follow AAP and CDC guidelines? Is this a trick question?
Right? Like why would you not?
Putting baby on it's back to sleep, rear facing until at least 2, etc, all designed to help prevent child deaths.
Not something to pick and chose from IMO.
Again- we won't eat a fuking piece of sushi or GOD FORBID take a sip of wine while pregnant but once the baby is out- eh, all bets are off!
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Re: Anti Vaccination _ thoughts?
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Posted by LuckyStar
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Posted by mommywantsababy
In all seriousness, do you follow every single aap and cdc guideline?
I'll admit I probably don't know every single guideline. I kind of depend on my pediatrician to advise me about them, unless there is media coverage about changes in them, e.g., car seat recommendations from the AAP. But I do follow them as best I can, and I don't make medical decisions in contradiction to them on the assumption that I know better than doctors and science.
Starbrightgirl, I’m really glad to have a buddy to die on this hill with me
Don’t most people follow AAP and CDC guidelines? Is this a trick question?
Right? Like why would you not?
Putting baby on it's back to sleep, rear facing until at least 2, etc, all designed to help prevent child deaths.
Not something to pick and chose from IMO.
Again- we won't eat a fuking piece of sushi or GOD FORBID take a sip of wine while pregnant but once the baby is out- eh, all bets are off!
So your kids had no screens prior to 18 months, and then no more than an hour of only educational programming before age 5?
You waited until 6 mo for solids?
Your child eats a well-balanced, nutritious diet for every meal?
I mean, there’s a whole slew of guidelines that they promote that i feel people pick and choose from.
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Re: Anti Vaccination _ thoughts?
Posted by mommywantsababy
Posted by NervousNell
Posted by LuckyStar
Posted by starbrightgirl8
Posted by mommywantsababy
In all seriousness, do you follow every single aap and cdc guideline?
I'll admit I probably don't know every single guideline. I kind of depend on my pediatrician to advise me about them, unless there is media coverage about changes in them, e.g., car seat recommendations from the AAP. But I do follow them as best I can, and I don't make medical decisions in contradiction to them on the assumption that I know better than doctors and science.
I am talking about the life and death ones.
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Starbrightgirl, I’m really glad to have a buddy to die on this hill with me
Don’t most people follow AAP and CDC guidelines? Is this a trick question?
Right? Like why would you not?
Putting baby on it's back to sleep, rear facing until at least 2, etc, all designed to help prevent child deaths.
Not something to pick and chose from IMO.
Again- we won't eat a fuking piece of sushi or GOD FORBID take a sip of wine while pregnant but once the baby is out- eh, all bets are off!
So your kids had no screens prior to 18 months, and then no more than an hour of only educational programming before age 5?
You waited until 6 mo for solids?
Your child eats a well-balanced, nutritious diet for every meal?
I mean, there’s a whole slew of guidelines that they promote that i feel people pick and choose from.
I am talking about the life and death ones.
Vaccines
Car Seats
sleeping guidelines to prevent SIDS.
Things that can cause death if not followed
Not about TV time and organic peas
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Re: Anti Vaccination _ thoughts?
Posted by mommywantsababy
Posted by NervousNell
Posted by LuckyStar
Posted by starbrightgirl8
Posted by mommywantsababy
In all seriousness, do you follow every single aap and cdc guideline?
I'll admit I probably don't know every single guideline. I kind of depend on my pediatrician to advise me about them, unless there is media coverage about changes in them, e.g., car seat recommendations from the AAP. But I do follow them as best I can, and I don't make medical decisions in contradiction to them on the assumption that I know better than doctors and science.
Starbrightgirl, I’m really glad to have a buddy to die on this hill with me
Don’t most people follow AAP and CDC guidelines? Is this a trick question?
Right? Like why would you not?
Putting baby on it's back to sleep, rear facing until at least 2, etc, all designed to help prevent child deaths.
Not something to pick and chose from IMO.
Again- we won't eat a fuking piece of sushi or GOD FORBID take a sip of wine while pregnant but once the baby is out- eh, all bets are off!
So your kids had no screens prior to 18 months, and then no more than an hour of only educational programming before age 5?
You waited until 6 mo for solids?
Your child eats a well-balanced, nutritious diet for every meal?
I mean, there’s a whole slew of guidelines that they promote that i feel people pick and choose from.
Yes, as closely as possible to all of those things. In fact, I posted about my DD’s tv consumption on here a few weeks ago and people said I was strict. No solids until 6 months and I try my best with the food. At minimum I get a protein and fruit or veggie in her at each meal.
However, even if I fed her Doritos all day long, that wouldn’t potentially affect other children. That’s the crux of this. You can not compare delaying vaccines with a child eating chicken nuggets for every meal. It’s not the same thing.
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So your kids had no screens prior to 18 months, and then no more than an hour of only educational programming before age 5?
You waited until 6 mo for solids?
Your child eats a well-balanced, nutritious diet for every meal?
I mean, there’s a whole slew of guidelines that they promote that i feel people pick and choose from.
Am I perfect on every guideline? Definitely not. Everything you listed here I try to follow as best I can, but definitely give my kids more screen time than I should, and my attempt at well-balanced nutritious food is usually met with requests for cookies, so I definitely don't succeed on that one.
But none of these guidelines you listed are putting my child's life at risk or the children around them (unless too much screen time means my kid grows up to be a serial killer, but I have yet to see any scientific studies showing that as a risk).
Following the vaccination schedule is relatively easy - assuming you have access to healthcare - and it can prevent not only your child getting life threatening diseases, but also spreading those highly communicable disease to other children/people who may be put at greater risk than your own child is exposed. Your otherwise healthy child may just suffer through the symptoms, but if spread it could infect a child or person who's immune system can't fight it off and give them much more sever complications. This isn't about making the best decision for you, and there are no sound arguments on the other side
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Re: Anti Vaccination _ thoughts?
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Delaying vaccines due to reactions is absurd. If your kid is going to have a reaction, they’re going to have a reaction regardless.
I have never met a doctor, nurse or any person employed in the medical field who didn’t follow the CDC recommendations exactly. Not a single person. This is a group of people who have more access and understanding to the information than anyone who graduated from Google school of medicine. And all agree with the recommendations. Interesting, no?
I don't think it's absurd. But, you are entitled to your opinion as am I. If my doctors thought waiting an additional month to do the third or 4th vaccine was an issue and they told me they thought I shouldn't, I would listen to them. When I questioned why my newborn would need the Hep B vaccine, or asked as a new mother if there wasn't any worry about the MMR causing autism (I had really never looked into it before having kids and hearing over and over again that it did - well, it scared me,) my doctor listened to my concerns and then gave me good info and I went with her because she is a great doctor and I trust her.
As to saying "they are going to have a reaction regardless" well, yes, and if I give them 4 shots in one day and they have a reaction, do I blanket decide to never give them anything else because they could have it again?
I had to start a new medication a couple of years ago. Right around when I started it, I got some sort of respiratory thing. I started taking medication to get rid of that and after a few days, I began to get a rash and got pretty unwell. Having started both about the same time, I didn't know which was the issue so now I list both as allergies. Had I not done that, maybe I'd know which was the problem.
At any rate, as I said, I don't disregard my doctor, but I do like to feel comfortable with what they tell me and since they are pretty good, they take the time to put my mind at ease.
I don’t ever get into these posts, but I didn’t realize my spacing out vaccines would blow up. I trust my ped, she said in her opinion the cdc makes these guidelines as a one size fits all. I come back every month and my kids are caught up well before school. So she’s ok with it. I’m also a sahm so they aren’t infecting any daycares in the few extra months it takes them to get through the perfect cdc schedule.
Also, my friend who’s daughter had the cancer asked every doctor she dealt with during that trying time if her daughters body could have had a reaction from too much at once. Among other things that were happening she was in the middle of the cdc vaccine schedule. And not one doctor could tell her positively no! Let me be clear! No one said it was caused by vaccines and they all expect her to be vaccinated again, but it was just a question of too much at once. And yes, it was probably a 1 in a million. But for me that’s enough. Even though I know I’ll get flamed for it.
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Also, my friend who’s daughter had the cancer asked every doctor she dealt with during that trying time if her daughters body could have had a reaction from too much at once. Among other things that were happening she was in the middle of the cdc vaccine schedule. And not one doctor could tell her positively no! Let me be clear! No one said it was caused by vaccines and they all expect her to be vaccinated again, but it was just a question of too much at once. And yes, it was probably a 1 in a million. But for me that’s enough. Even though I know I’ll get flamed for it.
Actually, the odds of a child getting cancer are far higher than 1 in a million. Roughly 1 in 200. Cancer is caused by some facet of the genetic makeup going awry. Vaccines do not alter the genome. Therefore, vaccines cannot cause cancer.
For anyone questioning why people have these ridiculous fears about vaccines, this is why. Because people who have no knowledge of the topic make like statements like these.
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Re: Anti Vaccination _ thoughts?
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People also delay based on toxin overload, that it can be a lot for little bodies to take in all those heavy metals, etc, all at once.
Do you have any actual medical evidence that any of this is real? This sounds like doing a juice detox to get all the toxins out of your body. No actual scientific basis, but it sounds good, right?
No I don't have any scientific research - I was just repeating what I've heard other people say.
I did not delay vaccines though.
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Posted by Jenn79
Also, my friend who’s daughter had the cancer asked every doctor she dealt with during that trying time if her daughters body could have had a reaction from too much at once. Among other things that were happening she was in the middle of the cdc vaccine schedule. And not one doctor could tell her positively no! Let me be clear! No one said it was caused by vaccines and they all expect her to be vaccinated again, but it was just a question of too much at once. And yes, it was probably a 1 in a million. But for me that’s enough. Even though I know I’ll get flamed for it.
Actually, the odds of a child getting cancer are far higher than 1 in a million. Roughly 1 in 200. Cancer is caused by some facet of the genetic makeup going awry. Vaccines do not alter the genome. Therefore, vaccines cannot cause cancer.
For anyone questioning why people have these ridiculous fears about vaccines, this is why. Because people who have no knowledge of the topic make like statements like these.
I guess I wasn’t clear when I said “let me be clear no one said the vaccines caused cancer”.So I’ll just say it again! NO ONE TOLD HER THE VACCINES CAUSED CANCER! Wtf is that better?! I’m not sure why you’re trying to fight with me. I don’t really give a flying fluck if anyone thinks I’m being rediculous! I’m NOT an anti vaxxer! I think some of you are a bit unreasonable or rediculas with many things but no ones ever seen me say anything nasty!
And please I know childhood cancer is far more than 1 in a million. I’m talking about one situation I have firsthand knowledge from. It wasn’t just the cancer! I give vague details when I post here for obvious reasons!
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Aside from believing in vaccines or not, the government should not make vaccines mandatory whatsoever. They don’t get to dictate to u when, how, how many vaccines ur kids (and soon adults too) should receive. This is a VERY important issue right now regardless where ur stance with vaccines is, by giving the government full power over these kind of things, they’re taking our right for choosing, we’d totally be at their mercy. Have u noticed all the vaccines there are now compared to just a few yrs ago? I can’t even imagine how many more they will come up with and if we don’t get a say, there’s nothing we’d be able to do, we won’t be able to delay having them, won’t be able to space them out, won’t be able to get them one by one, nothing! A lot of us forget that this is actually the real, scary issue and just focus on those that don’t want to vaccine. I can’t stress it enough how crucial it is to look into this issue more deeply because it will surely and severly affect us whether u vaccine or not.
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Posted by soontobemommyof2
Aside from believing in vaccines or not, the government should not make vaccines mandatory whatsoever. They don’t get to dictate to u when, how, how many vaccines ur kids (and soon adults too) should receive. This is a VERY important issue right now regardless where ur stance with vaccines is, by giving the government full power over these kind of things, they’re taking our right for choosing, we’d totally be at their mercy. Have u noticed all the vaccines there are now compared to just a few yrs ago? I can’t even imagine how many more they will come up with and if we don’t get a say, there’s nothing we’d be able to do, we won’t be able to delay having them, won’t be able to space them out, won’t be able to get them one by one, nothing! A lot of us forget that this is actually the real, scary issue and just focus on those that don’t want to vaccine. I can’t stress it enough how crucial it is to look into this issue more deeply because it will surely and severly affect us whether u vaccine or not.
Is anyone forced to get them though? You just can’t attend public schools—which are funded by the gov’t.
I know a family that doesn’t vax so the kids go to a private school that doesn’t care.
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Re: Anti Vaccination _ thoughts?
Posted by soontobemommyof2
Aside from believing in vaccines or not, the government should not make vaccines mandatory whatsoever. They don’t get to dictate to u when, how, how many vaccines ur kids (and soon adults too) should receive. This is a VERY important issue right now regardless where ur stance with vaccines is, by giving the government full power over these kind of things, they’re taking our right for choosing, we’d totally be at their mercy. Have u noticed all the vaccines there are now compared to just a few yrs ago? I can’t even imagine how many more they will come up with and if we don’t get a say, there’s nothing we’d be able to do, we won’t be able to delay having them, won’t be able to space them out, won’t be able to get them one by one, nothing! A lot of us forget that this is actually the real, scary issue and just focus on those that don’t want to vaccine. I can’t stress it enough how crucial it is to look into this issue more deeply because it will surely and severly affect us whether u vaccine or not.
It's a public health issue though so that's why I think you shouldn't have a choice. If you want to keep your kid inside 24/7, 365 days a year then you do not need to vaccinate. Otherwise, vaccines should be required.
Vaccines are only effective if a certain percentage of the population gets the immunization creating herd immunity. Certain communities are falling below this threshold and now people who can not get vaccinated for legitimate reasons are getting sick - they very young, the very old, and the sick (cancer, HIV, etc). These diseases can and do KILL people.
And yeah there are a lot of vaccines now because science is getting better at protecting you from these diseases. People think oh the measles, not big deal - it's just a rash. WRONG! You can then develop pneumonia (1/20) and/or encephalitis (1/1000), which can cause death.
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SIL has a newborn and lives directly by the community that has had the outbreak. She is afraid to go to the mall, Target, any indoor play area or places that this community frequents(which is pretty much every where). It is hard because she has an older son that is getting invited to parties and she is not sure is she should go if she has to take the baby.
We don’t have the direct threat on LI in this way right now so the threat seems hypothetical to many people. I guarantee if there was an actual outbreak on LI many families would be seeking out vaccinations.
It’s bad - I’ve watched my friends infant so she can go to Costco. Most (if not all) Peds in the area are vaccinating early (not along the AAP guidelines).
The mall was empty at Christmas time though because they were giving out the vaccine to unvaccinated individuals there so people stayed away.
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I follow every single guideline. Who am I to argue? They went to medical school; I didn't.
I DO get titred for my innoculations because I have an autoimmune disease where my medication (a very strong immunosupressant) puts me at risk of things like influenza, shingles and pertussis.
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Posted by soontobemommyof2
Aside from believing in vaccines or not, the government should not make vaccines mandatory whatsoever. They don’t get to dictate to u when, how, how many vaccines ur kids (and soon adults too) should receive. This is a VERY important issue right now regardless where ur stance with vaccines is, by giving the government full power over these kind of things, they’re taking our right for choosing, we’d totally be at their mercy. Have u noticed all the vaccines there are now compared to just a few yrs ago? I can’t even imagine how many more they will come up with and if we don’t get a say, there’s nothing we’d be able to do, we won’t be able to delay having them, won’t be able to space them out, won’t be able to get them one by one, nothing! A lot of us forget that this is actually the real, scary issue and just focus on those that don’t want to vaccine. I can’t stress it enough how crucial it is to look into this issue more deeply because it will surely and severly affect us whether u vaccine or not.
Is anyone forced to get them though? You just can’t attend public schools—which are funded by the gov’t.
I know a family that doesn’t vax so the kids go to a private school that doesn’t care.
As for right now, a child can still attend school if not vaccinated but a medical or religious exemption will be needed
Posted by PitterPatter11
It's a public health issue though so that's why I think you shouldn't have a choice. If you want to keep your kid inside 24/7, 365 days a year then you do not need to vaccinate. Otherwise, vaccines should be required.
Vaccines are only effective if a certain percentage of the population gets the immunization creating herd immunity. Certain communities are falling below this threshold and now people who can not get vaccinated for legitimate reasons are getting sick - they very young, the very old, and the sick (cancer, HIV, etc). These diseases can and do KILL people.
And yeah there are a lot of vaccines now because science is getting better at protecting you from these diseases. People think oh the measles, not big deal - it's just a rash. WRONG! You can then develop pneumonia (1/20) and/or encephalitis (1/1000), which can cause death.
What’s actually disappearing is natural herd immunity which comes from a group of individuals’ own bodies creating long term immunity to a specific disease. The more natural immunity there is, the less the virus can survive and affect those with a low immunity system. Herd immunity due to vaccines is not long term (this is the reason why boosters are needed), and are only subject to specific strains. What would happen if a new strain of measles appears? Vaccinated ppl will not be protected even if they just had the vaccine. Also most of the ppl (older kids, adults) do not have boosters, and from a vaccine perspective, this would mean they can catch and spread the measles. Another thing, and I think this is something we either forget or don’t know about, if a child get an mmr (which contains live viruses as some of the ingredients), that child can spread the viruses to others, this is something important that needs to be known.
I get that there are “outbreaks” but what do outbreaks really mean, why and how do they happen, can they really affect us, how minimal they really are compared to the rest of the population. When I think of this and compare it to other epidemics like cancer, autism, auto immune diseases, etc and see their alarming increases, it really surprises that it’s not cover by the media, lets focus on that and really find whats causing this to not 100 something ppl but to millions!
I do not want to get into much detail about vaccines cause I know how much of a hot topic this is, especially after reading some of the comments in this thread, but I will say one thing, u do not need to be a doctor to know what really is in a vaccine, u can actually ask for the insert of any vaccine to ur own pediatrician and have a conversation with him/her about those ingredients (u might even be surprised to see that some even have a black box warning). Listen to what he says but also do ur own research from reputable and unbiased sources and see what these ingredients really are and how they can or can’t affect a person. I bet u’ll be doing a whole lot more studying than he did when in medical school, which by way is just one single class.
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MissJones
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Re: Anti Vaccination _ thoughts?
Posted by mommywantsababy
I delay vaccines. I feel like it’s too much for them all at once, but all of my kids have had reactions to shots-fevers, lumps at injection sites that last 4-6 weeks, etc.
It also frustrates me that the suggestion is to give more vaccines than are required for the vast majority of people instead of checking titters.
This!
I am not NOT giving my kids the vaccines but rather, I am giving them separately. Let each vaccine do its job. Their little bodies are sensitive. I don't want to inundate their systems with a multitude of chemicals and engineered stuff. I'd rather pay an extra copay and go the next month.
However, my daughter did get a mild case of the measles from the mmr (the pediatrician says it CAN happen). To say vaccines don't cause any damage is bs. They can.
However, I feel like the pros of vaccines outweigh the cons.
Pandemic that wipes out an entire population of people OR a handful of cases where people have adverse reactions? We have to do what is for the greater good of the whole.
With that being said...I'm not on board with ALL of the vaccines.
To me, the chicken pox one is bs. Our generation had the chicken pox. We missed a week of school and life went on.
The flu shot...my son has had the flu TWICE despite getting that damn shot.
While I feel that vaccines are beneficial, undoubtedly, there is a part of me that thinks some vaccines are for money and some vaccines are not so kosher. I'm sure in 20-30 years, we will hear how a vaccine we gave our kids caused infertility in a generation of kids or created some kind of genetic mutation. I've watched too many sci-fi movies, I guess, lol.
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Re: Anti Vaccination _ thoughts?
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However, my daughter did get a mild case of the measles from the mmr (the pediatrician says it CAN happen). To say vaccines don't cause any damage is bs. They can.
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The measles vaccine is a live vaccine so you are supposed to get a mild case from it. They are injecting a live virus into you. Your body gets a mild case, and you build immunity so the next time you are exposed to it in the real world you don't get a severe case.
That's not causing damage. That's the vaccine doing it's job .
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Re: Anti Vaccination _ thoughts?
Posted by soontobemommyof2
What’s actually disappearing is natural herd immunity which comes from a group of individuals’ own bodies creating long term immunity to a specific disease. The more natural immunity there is, the less the virus can survive and affect those with a low immunity system. Herd immunity due to vaccines is not long term (this is the reason why boosters are needed), and are only subject to specific strains. What would happen if a new strain of measles appears? Vaccinated ppl will not be protected even if they just had the vaccine. Also most of the ppl (older kids, adults) do not have boosters, and from a vaccine perspective, this would mean they can catch and spread the measles. Another thing, and I think this is something we either forget or don’t know about, if a child get an mmr (which contains live viruses as some of the ingredients), that child can spread the viruses to others, this is something important that needs to be known.
I get that there are “outbreaks” but what do outbreaks really mean, why and how do they happen, can they really affect us, how minimal they really are compared to the rest of the population. When I think of this and compare it to other epidemics like cancer, autism, auto immune diseases, etc and see their alarming increases, it really surprises that it’s not cover by the media, lets focus on that and really find whats causing this to not 100 something ppl but to millions!
I do not want to get into much detail about vaccines cause I know how much of a hot topic this is, especially after reading some of the comments in this thread, but I will say one thing, u do not need to be a doctor to know what really is in a vaccine, u can actually ask for the insert of any vaccine to ur own pediatrician and have a conversation with him/her about those ingredients (u might even be surprised to see that some even have a black box warning). Listen to what he says but also do ur own research from reputable and unbiased sources and see what these ingredients really are and how they can or can’t affect a person. I bet u’ll be doing a whole lot more studying than he did when in medical school, which by way is just one single class.
You understand what has to happen for natural herd immunity, right? You need to get sick with a potentially deadly disease and make antibodies against it. Before vaccines, people - in particular babies and children - DIED of these diseases. More "natural" herd immunity does not decrease the spread of the disease. It simply kills the least fit - survival of the fittest.
Outbreaks occur because people do not vaccinate - that's also why these diseases are no longer epidemics. An unvaccinated or under vaccinated person gets the disease and then spreads it to people who are unvaccinated or under vaccinated. Outbreaks are alarming because they bring awareness to the fact that immunizing is important. You and I have the luxury of being vaccinated and not remembering diseases that either killed people, such as polio, smallpox, whooping cough, rubella (fetal death) OR left them with life long issues like mumps (deafness). Speaking of polio, we have almost completely eradicate that disease because of vaccines. We have totally eradicated smallpox. The disease doesn't exist anymore except in a lab!
I have done my own research on vaccines. I know about the trade-offs, but there are more positives than negatives.
Also - I have been titered recently. They found out my chicken pox vaccine didn't take so I needed to get another round of shots in 2014. I also just got a tetanus/whooping cough booster.
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Re: Anti Vaccination _ thoughts?
Posted by MissJones
To me, the chicken pox one is bs. Our generation had the chicken pox. We missed a week of school and life went on.
Except the ones that died...
Yes, healthy children usually missed a week of school - which probably doesn't seem like a big deal - though it can be very hard for parents who then have to find child care for a week - not all parents can easily take off from work or afford to pay for a sitter for a week. So the vaccine has the perk of not losing a week of school - especially because there was always pressure to make sure your kid got chicken pox, so they could build immunity because getting as an adult can be much worse.
However, there are people who died from chicken pox. So while you might not think it was a big deal to be home sick for a week, other people lost their lives which is why herd immunity is important.
From the CDC - Each year, more than 3.5 million cases of varicella, 9,000 hospitalizations, and 100 deaths are prevented by varicella vaccination in the United States.
Varicella incidence, based on national passive surveillance data published in 2012, declined 79% during 2000-2010 in 31 states that met CDC’s criteria for adequate and consistent reporting.
From this same data source, incidence declined 72% during 2006-2010, after a routine second dose of varicella vaccine was recommended.
Varicella incidence from 2 active surveillance sites declined 98% during 1995-2010.
Varicella outbreaks declined 78%, from 147 in 2005 to 33 outbreaks in 2012 based on passive surveillance data from 6 states. Varicella outbreaks from one active surveillance site declined 95%, from 236 outbreaks during 1995 to 1998 to 12 outbreaks during 2007 to 2010. Outbreaks also decreased in size (as measured by number of varicella cases per outbreak), and duration.
Varicella-related outpatient visits declined 84% in 2012 versus the prevaccination period (1994-1995) with 95% decline among infants aged <1 year and 75%-89% decline among persons aged 1-49 years.
Varicella hospitalizations declined 93% in 2012 versus the pre-vaccine period; during the 2-dose varicella vaccination period (2006-2012), hospitalizations declined 38%
Varicella deaths declined by 87% during 2008 to 2011 as compared to 1990 to 1994 based on data from the National Center for Health Statistics (NCHS). In children and adolescents less than 20 years of age, varicella deaths declined by 99% during 2008 to 2011 as compared with 1990 to 1994.
Varicella incidence among HIV-infected children declined 63% during 2000-2007 compared to 1989-1999.
Varicella vaccination provides indirect benefits to people who are not eligible for vaccination. Varicella incidence among infants, a group not eligible for varicella vaccination, declined by 90% from 1995 to 2008.
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