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I mean, perhaps not 72, but the stats you quote were for 36 of them. You add in 17 years of flu shots (broken up into two doses for the first time you get it), and you are at 54, which is much, much more than we’ve vaccinated even 20-30 years ago.
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The doctors don't disagree with the schedule, they just allow parents to override their better judgement. HUGE difference.... and more "creative math"....
They are also likely worried that if they go in too hard they will cause parents who are already being swayed by this nonsense to not vaccinate at all.
I’d be interested to see what would happen if all doctors refused anti-vaxxers. Would they take their kids to shamans? The neighbor selling MLM essential oils?
Perhaps in addition to NYS cracking down on these bs exemptions there needs to be a more widespread education campaign. These have historically been targeted to lower income/disadvantaged populations but I really think they need to cast a wider net. Put things into very simple, elementary level terms. Really show what can happen to a child who gets pneumococcal pneumonia, meningitis, etc. Share stories from families who have lost their children. Put it in perspective.
When I hear from parents who have lost a child to cancer, their motivation is of course to honor the child but also to raise awareness and increase funding. Part of why these anti-vaxxers don’t get it is they’ve never seen anyone die from vaccine preventable illnesses. Most of us understand the magnitude of this but there are clearly those who it isn’t sinking in for. Maybe if it gets shoved down their throats they’ll see the light.
Or, the state can just say no shots, no school, no exceptions and see how that goes over. That would be cheaper.
Doesn't this concern you that the government may eventually do this? Do you really want to lose your rights as a parent to have a say in your family's health care? Whether you are pro-vax or against them or somewhere in the middle, I just can't grasp how anyone would be supportive of it. If there is a grey area, people should have an option with any procedure. Vaccine or not.
There's so much fear surrounding this topic it's almost unbelievable. Many of these parents aren't "anti-vaxxers" as they are being labelled; but pushing for safer vaccines. Is that so bad?
People are just so set in their own thoughts that even if they are listening to another parents concerns what's registering is totally different and they are just set in their own mindset. Do you really think that Pharma has no control over this dialogue that's unfolding?
I am comfortable with the CDC and NIH setting regulations concerning healthcare for all Americans. They are qualified to do this, far more qualified than I or anyone on these boards are. I believe they have the best interests of public health in mind. I have a lot of doubts about our government. I do not doubt the CDC or NIH.
When I got pregnant I understood that I had a responsibility to my child but also to the community and in order to be a responsible parent I had to do my part to keep not just my child, but other children safe through my actions.
I do not believe that vaccines are unsafe. Do I think people can have reactions, sometimes fatal? Yes. I know they do. It is no different than a drug reaction. Not every chemical compound agrees with every person. The chances of a severe reaction are incredibly small. As with any drug or procedure, the benefits outweigh the risks.
To say pharma has no stake in this is silly. Of course they do. They make a lot of money off vaccines (though the money issue is much more complicated than it seems). I do not believe that they are pushing unsafe vaccines. The process to get drugs and vaccines approved is not easy. It’s an extremely difficult process and no one, including pharma is looking to harm anyone. The regulations are very well written. They are a business, yes, but they are integral to healthcare and I fear where we would be without the time and money they pour into R&D every day.
Don't you think the R&D would be better if done by an independent group, rather than one profiting from whether or not the vaccine is added to the schedule?
There is a long history of CDC members with conflicts of interest pertaining to patents related to vaccines. As well as issues with CDC members investing in healthcare stocks. Granted it's not everyone, but wouldn't that be reason enough for anyone to question the safety?
Quite honestly, I don’t care who does the R&D as long as they are top notch scientists. The issue is a group not making a profit won’t be able to pay people to do anything. And then nothing gets done. I want the best possible science for as many diseases as possible. Few entities have the resources to accomplish this. Pharma does. Again, I have no issue with them drawing a profit on something they developed. They follow the rules, the vaccine is safe, I am 100% comfortable with this.
COI reporting is flawed and that is an understatement. There is very, very little that would lead me to believe someone at the CDC did intentional harm because they had a conflict of interest. Most conflicts of interests are very small. Most. There was a recent COI issue at a large institution, concerning someone I knew personally. He had interests that he shouldn’t have had. He was wrong. But I can say with 100% certainty that he never harmed a patient. So in order for a COI to cause me to question safety, I would need to know what the conflict was and how it affected outcomes. Without that information, it changes nothing for me because the chances of it affecting patient safety are practically nonexistent.
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Re: Anti Vaccination _ thoughts?
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I mean, perhaps not 72, but the stats you quote were for 36 of them. You add in 17 years of flu shots (broken up into two doses for the first time you get it), and you are at 54, which is much, much more than we’ve vaccinated even 20-30 years ago.
There are more vaccines because of advances in science. We have more knowledge now than we had 30 years ago.
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Yes, I was awared of that but what I found interesting is that they’re actual MDs voicing their opinions on a very debatable subject just like many other nurses and doctors working mainstream are doing now. U really can’t help but wonder what’s motivating them to do so even when they’re taking a huge risk about losing their licenses.
Yes, it is interesting that about 5,000 doctors would have membership in a group that advocates asinine beliefs, like that HIV does not cause AIDS, that being gay reduces life expectancy, that there is a link between abortion and breast cancer, and that there is a causal relationship between vaccines and autism.
You pointed to this "article" as thought it had some kind of medical relevance, but it's by an ultra conservative fringe group that is not supported by the medical community at large. The fact that a few doctors (and 5,000 is a few when you consider the size of the medical community) sign onto these baseless claims does not mean that they are valid. If you can point to an article in a actual medical journal (AAPS's journal has been called predatory, untrustworthy, and is not given academic status in the medical community), with actual peer review and sources, then maybe you could make a valid point. But AAPS's political press release is not proof of anything except their political views.
I said I found this article ‘interesting’ because these things came from the mouth of ppl with medical degrees and since there are ppl in here that believe what doctors say 110%, I thought it’d be interesting for them to read. I do not consider this article an eye opener, God knows the amount of info I’ve actually read about vaccines and for how long. And btw there are not just a “few” doctors opening up about vaccines, there are way many more than u think. Unfortunately once they do it, there’s almost backlash for the concerns they’ve raised and either lose credibility or get their license taken away for the fact they’re going against the general believe. I can share many articles, publications, data, etc that either contradicts what the general population know about vaccines or strongly suggest more extended studies about an issue they’ve found. But it won’t come from the drs who are provax, studies paid by pharmaceutical companies, or even the CDC for obvious reasons, although there are some things u can still catch from the CDC’s own website and that’s the full ingredients of each vaccine, what they are, and how they can affect us. U can also see a list of recommended vaccines for a person from birth to adulthood including boosters, I’m not sure if they’re in the 70’s like someone mentioned above but it’s def a drastic increase since the 80’s. If u really wanna look into vaccines, u have to be able to abroad ur research and not only look into info from ppl that has ties with big pharma.
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Re: Anti Vaccination _ thoughts?
Posted by mommywantsababy
I mean, perhaps not 72, but the stats you quote were for 36 of them. You add in 17 years of flu shots (broken up into two doses for the first time you get it), and you are at 54, which is much, much more than we’ve vaccinated even 20-30 years ago.
Exactly! Ppl tend to forget about boosters as well, anddddd there are talks of having vaccines for antrax, hexavalent, and hvp to be added to the list.
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Wow I cringe when I hear ppl say ‘chances for patient safety are practically nonexistent, or anything between those lines’. I wonder if they’ve ever seen the chilling cries of the parents that have first handed seen their little ones change after vaccinations, or worse even die. It’s completely cold hearted to even imply all these massive amount of ppl are minimal in quantities. I don’t care what ppl say, it’s plainly cold hearted and a big lack of empathy.
Anyway I’m glad many ppl are actually starting to think outside the box and not just listen to what we’re told. Doing ur own research should be something that drives us as parents and as adults, whether we believe in vaccines, some what, or not at all.
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Re: Anti Vaccination _ thoughts?
Posted by soontobemommyof2
Wow I cringe when I hear ppl say ‘chances for patient safety are practically nonexistent, or anything between those lines’. I wonder if they’ve ever seen the chilling cries of the parents that have first handed seen their little ones change after vaccinations, or worse even die. It’s completely cold hearted to even imply all these massive amount of ppl are minimal in quantities. I don’t care what ppl say, it’s plainly cold hearted and a big lack of empathy.
Have you ever seen a child with cancer die of a vaccine preventable illness? I have.
Is one child’s death worse than another? Far more immunocompromised children die of preventable illness than children die of “vaccine injury.” And your unvaccinated child could cause that to happen. How do you feel about that? That your decision to not vaccinate your child kills another one? I wonder what you would say to that child’s parents.
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Re: Anti Vaccination _ thoughts?
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Wow I cringe when I hear ppl say ‘chances for patient safety are practically nonexistent, or anything between those lines’. I wonder if they’ve ever seen the chilling cries of the parents that have first handed seen their little ones change after vaccinations, or worse even die. It’s completely cold hearted to even imply all these massive amount of ppl are minimal in quantities. I don’t care what ppl say, it’s plainly cold hearted and a big lack of empathy.
Have you ever seen a child with cancer die of a vaccine preventable illness? I have.
Is one child’s death worse than another? Far more immunocompromised children die of preventable illness than children die of “vaccine injury.” And your unvaccinated child could cause that to happen. How do you feel about that? That your decision to not vaccinate your child kills another one? I wonder what you would say to that child’s parents.
Do you have those stats?
I'm sorry that you have had to go thru that. What vaccine preventable illness was it?
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Re: Anti Vaccination _ thoughts?
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Wow I cringe when I hear ppl say ‘chances for patient safety are practically nonexistent, or anything between those lines’. I wonder if they’ve ever seen the chilling cries of the parents that have first handed seen their little ones change after vaccinations, or worse even die. It’s completely cold hearted to even imply all these massive amount of ppl are minimal in quantities. I don’t care what ppl say, it’s plainly cold hearted and a big lack of empathy.
Have you ever seen a child with cancer die of a vaccine preventable illness? I have.
Is one child’s death worse than another? Far more immunocompromised children die of preventable illness than children die of “vaccine injury.” And your unvaccinated child could cause that to happen. How do you feel about that? That your decision to not vaccinate your child kills another one? I wonder what you would say to that child’s parents.
U’re taking it too far. Nobody is saying one child’s death is worse than another. Why in the world would even say that?!? I never gave preference to one over the other one. U on the other hand, did it plain and simple. This is where it gets too dark and disgusting, and where I remove myself.
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Re: Anti Vaccination _ thoughts?
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Wow I cringe when I hear ppl say ‘chances for patient safety are practically nonexistent, or anything between those lines’. I wonder if they’ve ever seen the chilling cries of the parents that have first handed seen their little ones change after vaccinations, or worse even die. It’s completely cold hearted to even imply all these massive amount of ppl are minimal in quantities. I don’t care what ppl say, it’s plainly cold hearted and a big lack of empathy.
Have you ever seen a child with cancer die of a vaccine preventable illness? I have.
Is one child’s death worse than another? Far more immunocompromised children die of preventable illness than children die of “vaccine injury.” And your unvaccinated child could cause that to happen. How do you feel about that? That your decision to not vaccinate your child kills another one? I wonder what you would say to that child’s parents.
U’re taking it too far. Nobody is saying one child’s death is worse than another. Why in the world would even say that?!? I never gave preference to one over the other one. U on the other hand, did it plain and simple. This is where it gets too dark and disgusting, and where I remove myself.
I am explaining what happens when an unvaccinated child infects an immunocompromised child. It’s horrible and it is very real.
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Re: Anti Vaccination _ thoughts?
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Posted by soontobemommyof2
Wow I cringe when I hear ppl say ‘chances for patient safety are practically nonexistent, or anything between those lines’. I wonder if they’ve ever seen the chilling cries of the parents that have first handed seen their little ones change after vaccinations, or worse even die. It’s completely cold hearted to even imply all these massive amount of ppl are minimal in quantities. I don’t care what ppl say, it’s plainly cold hearted and a big lack of empathy.
Have you ever seen a child with cancer die of a vaccine preventable illness? I have.
Is one child’s death worse than another? Far more immunocompromised children die of preventable illness than children die of “vaccine injury.” And your unvaccinated child could cause that to happen. How do you feel about that? That your decision to not vaccinate your child kills another one? I wonder what you would say to that child’s parents.
Do you have those stats?
I'm sorry that you have had to go thru that. What vaccine preventable illness was it?
2 pneumonias and one flu. It was awful as I’m sure you can imagine.
Here is one for vaccine injury. I have to compile for immunocompromised because most scholarly articles are fairly specific so you need more than one for a full picture.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4599698/
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Anti Vaccination _ thoughts?
I think a HUGE factor in all of this is the word "research". There is a huge difference between real research (gathering samples, data, testing it, re-testing it, etc etc) and surfing the web for information. Where does this "information" come from? Is it a scientific study published in JAMA or is it on a blog?
I think this is my biggest issue where parents are claiming that they can advocate for their children and have the right to make decisions etc . Remember that the job of our government's elected officials is to promote the general welfare of their constituents. For that, they turn to the experts to help show them how.
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Not one vaccine research study has been conducted properly. The gold standard for testing is a double bling placebo controlled study. There is not one study performed that way to compare vaccine safety and efficacy. Vaccines aren''t nearly as effective as we've been led to believe. Most outbreaks affect both vaccinated and non vaccinated, with a much higher percentage of those infected and spreading who were vaccinated.
There are many doctors who are against the vaccine schedule, unfortunately, many of those who are vocal have ended up dead by suspicious circumstances in the last few years.
Vaccines are not nearly as safe as we are told either. VAERS estimated that only about 10% of vaccine injuries are even reported, and yet our government pays millions of dollars every year to those harmed by vaccines. Unless every person on here has had all the vaccines in the last 10 years on the CDC schedule, YOU are walking around unvaccinated. You are no different than a child who hasn't been vaccinated. Most of the diseases we vax for were once considered mild childhood diseases. The fear mongering and hype is insane. Vaccines aren't what caused a decrease in the more serious diseases, improved living conditions and improvement in sanitation is responsible for that. Look at a timeline of the decrease in incidences in these diseases.
And the argument that one must vaccinate to protect others is ridiculous. If you vaccinate your child, you don't do it for someone else's child. You do it for YOUR child. Most of these poor immunocompromised children are that way in the first place because of the massive quantities of vaccines. Look up the data on the increase in childhood cancers and the link to vaccinations.
We have the highest rate of day 1 death in this country, and the first recommended vaccine is within 24 hours of birth. Lots of babies died during the hexavalent trials, but their deaths were attributed to "other causes".
For those who don't know, there are many bills currently in numerous states, including NY, that if passed, can allow a SCHOOL to give your child the hep b and gardasil vax, WITHOUT YOUR CONSENT OR KNOWLEDGE. Pro vax, ant vax or whatever, if that doesn't scare you, you're crazy.
At one time people thought the world was flat and cigarettes didn't pose a health problem. Maybe, just maybe, there is something to vaccines not being as safe as we are told.
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Re: Anti Vaccination _ thoughts?
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Not one vaccine research study has been conducted properly. The gold standard for testing is a double bling placebo controlled study. There is not one study performed that way to compare vaccine safety and efficacy. Vaccines aren''t nearly as effective as we've been led to believe. Most outbreaks affect both vaccinated and non vaccinated, with a much higher percentage of those infected and spreading who were vaccinated.
There are many doctors who are against the vaccine schedule, unfortunately, many of those who are vocal have ended up dead by suspicious circumstances in the last few years.
Vaccines are not nearly as safe as we are told either. VAERS estimated that only about 10% of vaccine injuries are even reported, and yet our government pays millions of dollars every year to those harmed by vaccines. Unless every person on here has had all the vaccines in the last 10 years on the CDC schedule, YOU are walking around unvaccinated. You are no different than a child who hasn't been vaccinated. Most of the diseases we vax for were once considered mild childhood diseases. The fear mongering and hype is insane. Vaccines aren't what caused a decrease in the more serious diseases, improved living conditions and improvement in sanitation is responsible for that. Look at a timeline of the decrease in incidences in these diseases.
And the argument that one must vaccinate to protect others is ridiculous. If you vaccinate your child, you don't do it for someone else's child. You do it for YOUR child. Most of these poor immunocompromised children are that way in the first place because of the massive quantities of vaccines. Look up the data on the increase in childhood cancers and the link to vaccinations.
We have the highest rate of day 1 death in this country, and the first recommended vaccine is within 24 hours of birth. Lots of babies died during the hexavalent trials, but their deaths were attributed to "other causes".
For those who don't know, there are many bills currently in numerous states, including NY, that if passed, can allow a SCHOOL to give your child the hep b and gardasil vax, WITHOUT YOUR CONSENT OR KNOWLEDGE. Pro vax, ant vax or whatever, if that doesn't scare you, you're crazy.
At one time people thought the world was flat and cigarettes didn't pose a health problem. Maybe, just maybe, there is something to vaccines not being as safe as we are told.
First of all, where are your sources for ANY of this?
Second of all, this literally took me 30 second to find:
The efficacy of influenza vaccination in elderly individuals: a randomized double-blind placebo-controlled trial
And there’s hundreds of scholarly articles using the same method.
Spreading misinformation is incredibly irresponsible.
And in case I get called out that it’s not a safety study, here’s one for that:
Here
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Anti Vaccination _ thoughts?
When people start reading peer reviewed scientific information rather than internet BS our society will benefit across the board. Pub med provides real scientific information- Dr Google on the other hand anyone can post their ideas.
Thank you MichLiz213 for showing how easy it is to be informed.
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Re: Anti Vaccination _ thoughts?
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Not one vaccine research study has been conducted properly. The gold standard for testing is a double bling placebo controlled study. There is not one study performed that way to compare vaccine safety and efficacy. Vaccines aren''t nearly as effective as we've been led to believe. Most outbreaks affect both vaccinated and non vaccinated, with a much higher percentage of those infected and spreading who were vaccinated.
There are many doctors who are against the vaccine schedule, unfortunately, many of those who are vocal have ended up dead by suspicious circumstances in the last few years.
Vaccines are not nearly as safe as we are told either. VAERS estimated that only about 10% of vaccine injuries are even reported, and yet our government pays millions of dollars every year to those harmed by vaccines. Unless every person on here has had all the vaccines in the last 10 years on the CDC schedule, YOU are walking around unvaccinated. You are no different than a child who hasn't been vaccinated. Most of the diseases we vax for were once considered mild childhood diseases. The fear mongering and hype is insane. Vaccines aren't what caused a decrease in the more serious diseases, improved living conditions and improvement in sanitation is responsible for that. Look at a timeline of the decrease in incidences in these diseases.
And the argument that one must vaccinate to protect others is ridiculous. If you vaccinate your child, you don't do it for someone else's child. You do it for YOUR child. Most of these poor immunocompromised children are that way in the first place because of the massive quantities of vaccines. Look up the data on the increase in childhood cancers and the link to vaccinations.
We have the highest rate of day 1 death in this country, and the first recommended vaccine is within 24 hours of birth. Lots of babies died during the hexavalent trials, but their deaths were attributed to "other causes".
For those who don't know, there are many bills currently in numerous states, including NY, that if passed, can allow a SCHOOL to give your child the hep b and gardasil vax, WITHOUT YOUR CONSENT OR KNOWLEDGE. Pro vax, ant vax or whatever, if that doesn't scare you, you're crazy.
At one time people thought the world was flat and cigarettes didn't pose a health problem. Maybe, just maybe, there is something to vaccines not being as safe as we are told.
So don't vaccinate your kids then.
Thank u, next.
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Re: Anti Vaccination _ thoughts?
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Posted by heynow
Not one vaccine research study has been conducted properly. The gold standard for testing is a double bling placebo controlled study. There is not one study performed that way to compare vaccine safety and efficacy. Vaccines aren''t nearly as effective as we've been led to believe. Most outbreaks affect both vaccinated and non vaccinated, with a much higher percentage of those infected and spreading who were vaccinated.
There are many doctors who are against the vaccine schedule, unfortunately, many of those who are vocal have ended up dead by suspicious circumstances in the last few years.
Vaccines are not nearly as safe as we are told either. VAERS estimated that only about 10% of vaccine injuries are even reported, and yet our government pays millions of dollars every year to those harmed by vaccines. Unless every person on here has had all the vaccines in the last 10 years on the CDC schedule, YOU are walking around unvaccinated. You are no different than a child who hasn't been vaccinated. Most of the diseases we vax for were once considered mild childhood diseases. The fear mongering and hype is insane. Vaccines aren't what caused a decrease in the more serious diseases, improved living conditions and improvement in sanitation is responsible for that. Look at a timeline of the decrease in incidences in these diseases.
And the argument that one must vaccinate to protect others is ridiculous. If you vaccinate your child, you don't do it for someone else's child. You do it for YOUR child. Most of these poor immunocompromised children are that way in the first place because of the massive quantities of vaccines. Look up the data on the increase in childhood cancers and the link to vaccinations.
We have the highest rate of day 1 death in this country, and the first recommended vaccine is within 24 hours of birth. Lots of babies died during the hexavalent trials, but their deaths were attributed to "other causes".
For those who don't know, there are many bills currently in numerous states, including NY, that if passed, can allow a SCHOOL to give your child the hep b and gardasil vax, WITHOUT YOUR CONSENT OR KNOWLEDGE. Pro vax, ant vax or whatever, if that doesn't scare you, you're crazy.
At one time people thought the world was flat and cigarettes didn't pose a health problem. Maybe, just maybe, there is something to vaccines not being as safe as we are told.
So don't vaccinate your kids then.
Thank u, next.
I don't tell anyone how they should raise their children, and others, certainly not the government, has no place to tell me or others how to raise ours. Forced vaccinations are insane, and a lot of people on this thread support that. Sounds a lot like Nazi Germany to me. It's a slippery slope. I pray that those of you with your heads in the sand never have a child harmed by a vaccine. Peace out 
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Re: Anti Vaccination _ thoughts?
Posted by heynow
Posted by NervousNell
Posted by heynow
Not one vaccine research study has been conducted properly. The gold standard for testing is a double bling placebo controlled study. There is not one study performed that way to compare vaccine safety and efficacy. Vaccines aren''t nearly as effective as we've been led to believe. Most outbreaks affect both vaccinated and non vaccinated, with a much higher percentage of those infected and spreading who were vaccinated.
There are many doctors who are against the vaccine schedule, unfortunately, many of those who are vocal have ended up dead by suspicious circumstances in the last few years.
Vaccines are not nearly as safe as we are told either. VAERS estimated that only about 10% of vaccine injuries are even reported, and yet our government pays millions of dollars every year to those harmed by vaccines. Unless every person on here has had all the vaccines in the last 10 years on the CDC schedule, YOU are walking around unvaccinated. You are no different than a child who hasn't been vaccinated. Most of the diseases we vax for were once considered mild childhood diseases. The fear mongering and hype is insane. Vaccines aren't what caused a decrease in the more serious diseases, improved living conditions and improvement in sanitation is responsible for that. Look at a timeline of the decrease in incidences in these diseases.
And the argument that one must vaccinate to protect others is ridiculous. If you vaccinate your child, you don't do it for someone else's child. You do it for YOUR child. Most of these poor immunocompromised children are that way in the first place because of the massive quantities of vaccines. Look up the data on the increase in childhood cancers and the link to vaccinations.
We have the highest rate of day 1 death in this country, and the first recommended vaccine is within 24 hours of birth. Lots of babies died during the hexavalent trials, but their deaths were attributed to "other causes".
For those who don't know, there are many bills currently in numerous states, including NY, that if passed, can allow a SCHOOL to give your child the hep b and gardasil vax, WITHOUT YOUR CONSENT OR KNOWLEDGE. Pro vax, ant vax or whatever, if that doesn't scare you, you're crazy.
At one time people thought the world was flat and cigarettes didn't pose a health problem. Maybe, just maybe, there is something to vaccines not being as safe as we are told.
So don't vaccinate your kids then.
Thank u, next.
I don't tell anyone how they should raise their children, and others, certainly not the government, has no place to tell me or others how to raise ours. Forced vaccinations are insane, and a lot of people on this thread support that. Sounds a lot like Nazi Germany to me. It's a slippery slope. I pray that those of you with your heads in the sand never have a child harmed by a vaccine. Peace out
You cannot be serious with that analogy. Really?
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heynow
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Re: Anti Vaccination _ thoughts?
Posted by MrsT809
Posted by heynow
Posted by NervousNell
Posted by heynow
Not one vaccine research study has been conducted properly. The gold standard for testing is a double bling placebo controlled study. There is not one study performed that way to compare vaccine safety and efficacy. Vaccines aren''t nearly as effective as we've been led to believe. Most outbreaks affect both vaccinated and non vaccinated, with a much higher percentage of those infected and spreading who were vaccinated.
There are many doctors who are against the vaccine schedule, unfortunately, many of those who are vocal have ended up dead by suspicious circumstances in the last few years.
Vaccines are not nearly as safe as we are told either. VAERS estimated that only about 10% of vaccine injuries are even reported, and yet our government pays millions of dollars every year to those harmed by vaccines. Unless every person on here has had all the vaccines in the last 10 years on the CDC schedule, YOU are walking around unvaccinated. You are no different than a child who hasn't been vaccinated. Most of the diseases we vax for were once considered mild childhood diseases. The fear mongering and hype is insane. Vaccines aren't what caused a decrease in the more serious diseases, improved living conditions and improvement in sanitation is responsible for that. Look at a timeline of the decrease in incidences in these diseases.
And the argument that one must vaccinate to protect others is ridiculous. If you vaccinate your child, you don't do it for someone else's child. You do it for YOUR child. Most of these poor immunocompromised children are that way in the first place because of the massive quantities of vaccines. Look up the data on the increase in childhood cancers and the link to vaccinations.
We have the highest rate of day 1 death in this country, and the first recommended vaccine is within 24 hours of birth. Lots of babies died during the hexavalent trials, but their deaths were attributed to "other causes".
For those who don't know, there are many bills currently in numerous states, including NY, that if passed, can allow a SCHOOL to give your child the hep b and gardasil vax, WITHOUT YOUR CONSENT OR KNOWLEDGE. Pro vax, ant vax or whatever, if that doesn't scare you, you're crazy.
At one time people thought the world was flat and cigarettes didn't pose a health problem. Maybe, just maybe, there is something to vaccines not being as safe as we are told.
So don't vaccinate your kids then.
Thank u, next.
I don't tell anyone how they should raise their children, and others, certainly not the government, has no place to tell me or others how to raise ours. Forced vaccinations are insane, and a lot of people on this thread support that. Sounds a lot like Nazi Germany to me. It's a slippery slope. I pray that those of you with your heads in the sand never have a child harmed by a vaccine. Peace out
You cannot be serious with that analogy. Really?
Being forced to inject things into mine or my child's body? Oh yes. Dead serious. And just so you are aware, this could happen in school without your knowledge or consent. Forced medical procedures! You are ok with that? That someone could make you inject something into your body or your child's against your wishes or beliefs. Pretty sick that anyone could support this, regardless if they are pro or anti vax. It's setting a pretty scary precedent.
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| Posted 3/2/19 9:24 PM |
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LuckyStar
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Anti Vaccination _ thoughts?
Clinical trial results for prevnar:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/22045904/
Clinical trial results for MMR:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1173183/
Clinics trial results for Gardasil and Cervarix (summary):
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4636904/
Peer reviewed article on herd immunity:
https://www.nejm.org/doi/10.1056/NEJMsa0806477?url_ver=Z39.88-2003&rfr_id=ori%3Arid%3Acrossref.org&rfr_dat=cr_pub%3Dwww.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov
Adult vaccines (off topic, but worth noting):
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4486398/
ETA for those who live and die by VAERS:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4632204/
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| Posted 3/2/19 9:25 PM |
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heynow
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Re: Anti Vaccination _ thoughts?
A973/S3899
https://www.nysenate.gov/legislation/bills/2019/s3899
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| Posted 3/2/19 9:27 PM |
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heynow
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Re: Anti Vaccination _ thoughts?
Assembly Bill A973
2019-2020 Legislative Session
Provides treatment for sexually transmitted diseases to minors without a parent's or guardian's consent
This doesn't scare you??
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| Posted 3/2/19 9:28 PM |
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heynow
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Re: Anti Vaccination _ thoughts?
Posted by LuckyStar
Clinical trial results for prevnar:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/22045904/
Clinical trial results for MMR:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1173183/
Clinics trial results for Gardasil and Cervarix (summary):
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4636904/
Peer reviewed article on herd immunity:
https://www.nejm.org/doi/10.1056/NEJMsa0806477?url_ver=Z39.88-2003&rfr_id=ori%3Arid%3Acrossref.org&rfr_dat=cr_pub%3Dwww.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov
Adult vaccines (off topic, but worth noting):
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4486398/
Not one is done to the gold standard of medical trials. Not one against a true placebo. Vaccines are tested against prior versions. So as long as there are "no more adverse events" as compared to the prior version, it's considered "safe".
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| Posted 3/2/19 9:30 PM |
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LuckyStar
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Re: Anti Vaccination _ thoughts?
Posted by heynow
Posted by LuckyStar
Clinical trial results for prevnar:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/22045904/
Clinical trial results for MMR:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1173183/
Clinics trial results for Gardasil and Cervarix (summary):
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4636904/
Peer reviewed article on herd immunity:
https://www.nejm.org/doi/10.1056/NEJMsa0806477?url_ver=Z39.88-2003&rfr_id=ori%3Arid%3Acrossref.org&rfr_dat=cr_pub%3Dwww.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov
Adult vaccines (off topic, but worth noting):
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4486398/
Not one is done to the gold standard of medical trials. Not one against a true placebo. Vaccines are tested against prior versions. So as long as there are "no more adverse events" as compared to the prior version, it's considered "safe".
I don’t see how you could use a placebo in a vaccine trial. No one would enroll in a placebo trial for a vaccine. Would you, as an anti-vaxxer, enroll your child in a trial in which they may be given the test? I would not enroll my child in a vaccine study in which she could be the control.
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| Posted 3/2/19 9:50 PM |
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LuckyStar
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Re: Anti Vaccination _ thoughts?
Posted by heynow
Assembly Bill A973
2019-2020 Legislative Session
Provides treatment for sexually transmitted diseases to minors without a parent's or guardian's consent
This doesn't scare you??
No. I would prefer a teen receive the proper treatment rather than forgo treatment out of fear and/or embarrassment of telling their parents.
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| Posted 3/2/19 9:52 PM |
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